This is my #1 reason to have a mixer in my home studio as well. I’m a one man band but it sure is nice having several keyboards, vdrums, guitars, mics, setup on the mixer and ready to go by just a few clicks on mixer/power amp. 👍

me too....24 channels...no repatching.

I have a really hard time when I don't have a mixer outside 'the box'...just because of comfort level & familiarity in general since I cut my teeth with them so to speak. But now that I have a great DAW (Studio One) and finally took the leap into full-on computer based tracking, I've loved the integration with my analogue mixer and outboard hardware and my digital environment. And now everyone that have learned to record strictly in the digital environment are trying to learn and understand all the analogue gear and techniques to 'warm up' and add character to their recordings. That's the biggest trend i see in plug-in creation now...all the old console emulations and outboard gear emulations (I just HAD to purchase the REDD & the TG12345)...we're in a truly great time with the tools we have now. I literally got goosebumps just knowing I was using the same EQs and sculpting tools that were used on the music that made me become a musician...Abbey Road...Dark Side...Hendrix & Kramer!!! What a beautiful and amazing thing to be able to use and learn those tools...also to see all the generations of knowledge and technical creation not get lost with the passage of time but all get tied together to form the union of those realms now

@@el_t4931 apart from the fact that mixers of this size are cheaper than a comparable interface

@@el_t4931 I found a 24-in mixer for $450 today. Used, granted, but even a used 8-in interface costs $300 minimum

Me and that Covid feller met about 5 or 6 times he ain't got no wins here? 🤷‍♂️

Ain't that the truth! Covid is what pushed me into finally buying studio gear!

Dude I laughed so hard when he said that lol oh man. Little did he know. 😂

@@XIIMonkeysMusicGroup same dude

Just exposed cowardice.

Damn, sorry you had to sell it.

I caught that, too, and had to laugh. And then cry. Now I'm laughing again.

You got it. I'm live streaming and having to dig up my insert cables so I can get some compression and reverb on my guitar and vocals so FB Live doesn't crush everything to death.

ahead of his time

6:50 yep came down here in the comments to say the exact same thing that was right after realizing what year of this was from.

Haha. "Don't tell my clients." :)

WHAT ABOUT THE WARMTH AND COLORING

hello joe, what you about the sound quality of this PreSonus mixer compared to RME Fireface, or antelope ZEN studio how are converters and the mic pre's, please , i have the Tascam dm 3200, that i want to move it to another studio and i am looking for some thing i can put that space , that will give me a good result and satisfy my client

That is real world wisdom, it's one of the resons i baought an old MX900 , yeah i know it's behringer but most of the people that come in don't give a dime, they like sliders and lights going on and off !!

So true ...I put an old broken 48 channel yamaha mixer, which I got for free , into the studio. It's just to impress my customers. So I can charge more money for the recordings.

Meeee toooo

I also use a mixer but that's because I have several hardware keyboards and I HATE patching and unpatching things. It seems like I never get it right so I solved the problem by having a lot in inputs to get to my computer.I;m running Cubase 10 Pro and have a pair of Kali LP6's. Sadly though, my old Presonus Studiolive 16.4.2 is dying. Now I'm looking at the SL32sc.

Hey just stumbled across this. The reason Why you don‘t hear that much Bass through your Behringer speakers is due to the size of their woofer. I just looked it up, and they only have a 5 inch woofer. Small woofers like that can‘t generate Enough Energy to play those low frequencies that your sub in your home cinema can. I have focal speakers with 7 inch speakers and they Roll Off Right behind 80 hz.

It would not surprise me if the problem with your lack of bass was not so much about those 5" woofers but rather either 1) speakers are wired out-of-phase perhaps (i.e., reversed polarity on one of the speakers) or 2) speakers are too close to the wall or both -- or 3) the speakers are faithfully reproducing your lack of bass in the signal while your headphones are over emphasizing the bass --- or 4) any combination of the above. So, what has transpired since you commented here?

@@peterbenson4338 I replaced the USB50s with Kali LP 8s. Plenty of Bass now.

You're so excited you're SCREAMING! :)

Yup. Lazy people unite! :)

Daniel DeMayo, you got THAT right! i got a pristine Mackie 32•8 for $375 in 2009 (NOT "hot"! just a friend itching to go into digital mixers and couldn't get even that much as a trade-in on the new stuff he lusted after), before that i used a Mackie 1402vlz bought new in '98, the 1402 having only 6 xlr ins and 4 stereo trs ins. I freaking LOVE not having to constantly replug everything when it's just me and my collection of assorted vintage hardware synths, drum machines and other outboard gear! my interface is a Presonus FireStudio Project, so i just take the 8 sub outs on the big Mackie and run 'em into the Presonus' analog inputs via a 15-foot HOSA 8-channel xlr-trs snake, so i can position the FireStudio to get an eye-level view of the its meters (necessary because I didn't get the Mackie meter bridge at THAT price). I use the DAWs metering to get the finely detailed level reading that the signal present/input/overload LEDs on the individual channels and the 3-segment FireStudio meters can't provide. Use the boards' sub-out assign buttons to route a given channel to a given sub out, as needed. the Mackie sub out meters are great, but they're not in my direct field of vision when i'm concentrating on watching musicians while tracking... for recording my guitar, I feed my Digitech multiFX into the FireStudio sp/dif for a dry direct feed for re-amping in the box while mixing - because i love the virtual amps and stompboxes in my DAW. I take the analog out of the Digitech into two channels of the board for processed output to listen to while tracking, without choking the computer or bogging the DAW (i don't usually record the processed output, but have the ability to do so if needed.) i also have a couple of small combo amps (80s Marshall Lead 12 and a new Acoustic G35fx for variety, but I tend not to use late at night when i'm usually most productive - I've got tolerant neighbors, but i don't want to wear out my welcome with them.) MIDI to/from the synths is routed using my 1986-vintage 8-in/10-out JLCooper MIDI routing switchbox feeding the FireStudio MIDI in/outs. when tracking a full band, i use outboard f/x (Lexicon MPX110, Alesis MIDIVerb and Boss DE100 delay) for fx-to-monitor, which means i don't bog down my DAW (Logic Pro X on a Dell Hackintosh or iMac or even MacBook Pro - got a backup computer for my backup computer!). the Mackies' 6 aux busses give me the ability to make up to 6 custom monitor mixes for each musician. The Mackies' Split EQ function on the Mix B bus lets me tweeze a 7th monitor feed to keep my bass player from bitching that he can't "feel" his bass, without bottoming out the other musicians' headphones. FireStudio monitor output jacks feed the Control Room/Studio monitor bus on the Mackie for no-latency playback/cue mixes. I'm a happy mofo.

Yup that's my reason

Ever heard of a patch bay?

Amen, bro!

Love it

Wrong. Presonus makes them that come with software to do it all. I have a Presonus AR16C analog mixer an I love it.

I use my 16 channel API mixer in a hybrid fashion and its amazing. I use both analog gear and plugins together seamlessly. I would hate the idea of working without it.

@@scottbaxendale323 my biggest concern on buying an analog mixer one day is being afraid of not being able to use both analog mixer + plugins. Also the memory, glad it works

Okay boomer

+Nelson Nelson Fair enough.

How about rehearse and playing a gig without having to turn your PC/MAC on. Im convinced. I was about to cancel my order on an analog mixer but not anymore.

Nahh It´s not a must have

5. Mixing more with your ears instead of your eyes, clicking the shit out of your hand on computer mouse :)

Nelson Nelson yea i mean no 1 is not even true nowadays .asio is good enough its not that exaggerated like in the video and 2-4 is not relevant to me lol.

Not sure, since I don't use it for routing to fancy stuff...but maybe I'll do some experimenting. :)

How about just a video on connecting an analog console to the computer? I'm new to this but I have a 32 channel analog mixer (non powered) and a Behringer PMP 2000. I ran across this video while looking up DAWs and home recording. I want the capability of recording a full rock n roll or blues band. I don't understand how you would connect the two and still have all channels separate in the DAW. I love the real sliders and knobs!

:)

You know, I was thinking the same thing. I'd love watching vids from the people who do it differently. The "you suk" responses are pretty much all noise and no signal........

No kidding!

This is the only reason I haven't purchased one yet....I'm waiting for this feature and reviews before dropping the 3 grand for the 32 channel. I want to make sure it does what I need it to before I go that route : (

ckjjclan I

Got an X32 but the feature I use the most is the DAW remote!

YES. Great point. Same with guitar amp processors like the Eleven Rack or Kemper.

And, if you have a piano, all you have to do is switch your brain on.....and depend on yourself and acoustics....... :)

If you wanna record that piano, you need at least 2 mics for a stand up, and you need 3 to 4 or maybe even 5 mics for a grand piano. It seems like you are trying to insult people who play hardware synths.

defo they are a must for that

I use 7 different keyboards and drum machines, pads, synths and MULTI mics all together. I would go crazy without a mixer. Yeah it could be done without but why be so stupid. Practice, writing and even recording sooooo much easier with. It's such a simple add on. Don't even need a full live mixer either. A simple 12-16 channel analog mixer makes life simple and plus you get cheap preamp for practicing and even on-board effects to screw with when writing. Allen and Heath is great, I use a 16 channel mackie, I know a guy that uses a Behringer 22 that is silent and feels pretty good and he uses it on high clientel work and you dont notice it at all. He's got money too but he liked the analog layout and it felt better faderwise than pricier stuff for him. You will benefit from an analog mixer if you dont want to fork out for a digital o e just yet. I use 2 motorized DAw controlers and an analog mixer and I love the control even before I get in the box to add my other toys!💡?🎼??+🎹🎹🎸🎷🎤×🎵×🎧💻🖱+💿=🔊🎶🎶🎶🎶😀😃😅😆🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

COFFEE

Damned - how u make ur coffee so fast, pray tell? :P :D

Or just Save current song, Save as... to a new folder named Track 02, delete all wavs, and there you go! Don't understand why that would take 5-10 minutes to be honest... O.o

Yeah you can certainly accomplish this with interfaces, it's just an extra piece of software. I like that I can keep my DAW full screen at all times and not have to switch.

I use both mixer and uad. Uad is nice though no latency effects.

Yes - another UAD user here - changed my way of working completely. Much more organic.UAD + Desk is perfect. But without a desk UAD is the closest to that way of working.

jep, once UAD console gets a few upgrades and hardware controller suppor,t it will be smooth sailing from there :) going PTHDX is prohibitively expensive and the plugs are mediocre

For 3 grand! If you want 16 xlr's.

Exactly, if it's the next song for the same band with the same setup, I see no reason to not have a template and have the basics all ready to go in a minute.

Just speaking from experience. You can import session data, save templates, all that. Even if it's not 5-10 minutes, I still like the fact that the DAW can be completely turned off and you can pass audio all day long.

I Use Reaper and Just save a project with the mics routed and named. Then when a track is done I save it under a different name and re open the template I saved at the start. Takes like 30 seconds. lol

Well you don't want to flush out the audio and record fresh in the same song renamed, because then you're still writing to the same audio files folder. At end of the session you'll have all the audio files for all the songs in one huge folder and that will be one problematic pain in the ass to deal with at some point down the line. Just have a template ready and use it to open a new session.

I sold my old Mackie 32-08 and now I work with a UAD Apollo that's 8 Pre with almost 0 latency , crazy good plugins and full save and recall of the session and if needed I can hookup my RME Octamic for 8 More inputs pre, That's a small sweet rig for a old man . Thanks for your Great Video

Yeah everybody has a solution for latency. I just like that I don't need a solution at all with a mixer. I just plug in a mic, and I can hear it. :)

Ah, not so computer-savy, eh? ;)

Plenty of 2i2 and other firewire and usb interfaces suffering from latency on fast machines. Try recording a vocal and guitar simultaneously, or a drummer (who will let you know immediately about latency) too. Add necessary effects being processed on the computer and you will have latency. If recording straight in with processing prior to the interface, and nothing processed on the computer and it's probably not as discernible. Most of the interfaces, like mine as well, alleviate the issue with direct monitoring. Allowing whatever signal is on the input sent directly back to the microphone, for further processing if desired, while the original signal is still sent to the computer DAW for unprocessed recording. ASIO is great, but certainly not in and of itself any solution for latency. The thunderbolt and TB 2 come close people say, though I think a full session with stacks of vsts would add dreaded latency as they add up as well. Input monitoring is nearly impossible on most interfaces that aren't TB.

You must be using direct monitoring. A 256 sample buffer would sound like a slapback echo.

I run 256buffer on a 2i2, on a very modest i3 based laptop, with no audible latency at all (yes, monitoring through the driver). Your systems must be very taxed or running a gob of crap in in the background if that size is producing an echo.

Yeah the StudioLive will have that feature in the fall.

The X32 is awesome. It fixed all those annoying things we deal with in the studio that Joe mentioned, and a million others that he didn’t. So glad I bought one

x32 is great for studio, however the daw control is a bit crappy on it, unless you use reaper

Samuel Thorogood fortunately, I do!

I love my X32 Compact!!!

Sorry for hurting your soul. :) But these are MY reasons. Those are the only reasons I am capable of giving. It's cool if you don't agree.

"There are reasons for owning a mixer, but you didn't name any of them." Care to list your reasons here?

For live applications you really can't get around having a mixer. But if we stick to studio... if you have a really high quality mixer, you can commit to EQ's on the way in to save some time. You can use insert effects on the way in if you really want to. You can be more precise when it comes to driving outboard gear during the mix, and you can do headphone mixes a bit faster, but I'd rather just bus all the inputs to 3-4 outputs inside the interface and then let every musician do their own mix with either whatever small mixers you have lying around, or a dedicated 4-input headphone mixer. We've all heard someone say "I can't hear X" when X is already so loud you're worried about their hearing. A semi-decent mixer is $3000 down the drain. You get a tiny bit of convenience, but can you honestly say you'd rather have that tiny bit of convenience rather than $3000 worth of microphones, preamps, instruments... A used Macki32-8 is $400. Wasn't that thing like $8000 new? That's what people think about mixers. I'd still rather have 4 SM57's and the extra space than a 32-8.

I guess I never had a problem with latency, not noticeable anyway. And I've used pretty cheap gear.... Line 6 toneport, ni sessions interface, etc, I just set the buffers and freeze the tracks in the daw if they get heavy. But yeah, I could see the point if I was a drummer, anyway, good video

If you click the monitor button in your daw, it's going to go through software and there will be some latency. Any amount of latency is too much for a vocalist. He's right about that. But even PCI 1.0 interfaces form the 90's already had built-in zero latency routing... and not just the professional stuff... anything M-Audio made, anything ESI made... everything I'm aware of had actual zero latency routing within the interface. Certainly everything that you can buy today has it.

JamariousTV - Yes - I was also confused by this. You can hear the echo.

@@willb3698 Also seriously confused at the monitor orientation. His main speakers are facing directly out, where's the triangle?

Essentially, the things that you don't see are not rules! Music is an organic process even with technology added... Your ears will be the most in important "treatment" you'll need.

I was thinking about the same thing. It's kinda awkward

Why should he need treatment if it sounds good and doesn't give him acoustic problems?? The only rule here that applies is "you only treat a room if it sucks" get the point ??

Good luck to you, Elvin! Just so you know, Presonus was never proprietary.

Why you don't try a summing device + some pro hardware ?

Elvin Lewis Obsolete for sure!!!!

Joe Gilder Music That's certainly news to me, because I spoke to them directly, and was on the verge of purchasing the CS18AI, but they said it was only compatible with Studio 1. Again, that the reason I did not purchase it.

Local/small bands likely. There are thousands upon thousands of bands that you will never hear of that still release professionally produced records.

Pete Urbann love my saffire pro 24

Focusrite is why I changed to SSL 2

Great!

Joe Gilder Music Currently using a Studio192. Totally recommend it to everyone needing ultra low latency and many tracks!

USB 3 has nothing to do with it, USB 2 is fine

That has nothing to do with latency... Actually interfaces doesnt go well plugged in to a USB 3.0 port

What Interface do you use?

In his case, I think he's recording full bands. The singer/songwriter, home recordist probably doesn't need a mixer.

Recording bands or just a few weeks ago I did a live acoustic show with two other performers. We ended up using 7 inputs, all through the board, so that was nice.

I think you need an analog mixer for home studio at least for the mic preamps,on board compressor,eq,built in fx for vocals,yeah its handy and improves the sound,oh and the pre amps for the instruments too,its always good to have a mixer to polish your sound before hitting your audio interface.

I agree with you. An analogue mixer for the home studio is a plus. I think the Soundcraft Signature is more suitable than the Presonus. That's what I went with. It's over a third cheaper, the pre amps sound good, the effects on it are great, the EQ is amazing and I can record up to 20 tracks simultaneously on my 22MTK. I've had mine a couple of weeks and it's been a pleasure to record my hardware MIDI set up live in the mix with 10 drum tracks, 2 stereo synths and a mono synth, with space for another mono synth, a polysynth and a mic for vocals that all have their own channel on the board and still have a couple of channels spare.

Yeah they're sponsoring this series of videos.

SuperPasquale76 😂😂

@@plummetplum I finally dropped Presonus and went to FL Studio and a Yamaha MG10XU mixer.

Yep. REAPER is great. Great, great, great.

Yep , Love it..

Reaper is 🐐

Get rid of the standard he says. Let's run a half million dollar ssl or neve through Reason while we are at it! SMH

@@philliplocey258 I agree with you! There's a reason why the big dogs all play in the yard with PT.

Thanks for watching, Tim.

👍

HAhaha

Love your channel Joe ! I'm Steinberg Certified Trainer but use Studio One very much too LOL

I think its funny he never actually answered the question lol

Respectively disagree. Production by mouse and software alone is just awful. The art of production is, in part, an organic, hands-on experience that a mouse and software alone just can't match. I feel the same in regards to video editing (my main vocation). Click, click, Clunk! Too much mouse, keyboard, and software strangles creative energy, process, and results.

Wow i just said the same thing !

I've used a few Daws including protools ,logic and cuebase right now Reason 9.5 and Harrison mixbus is were it's at..but my 2480 gets the most work.i will never to get rid of it..too convenient

Those are workhorses.

I still use the Roland VS 2400 CD along with Reaper with the Logic Pro X mixer theme.My Studio mixer is a Mackie ProFX16.I control reaper with a V-Studio 20 control surface by Cakewalk/Raoland

I didn't know Roland had dvd players.

I never recorded on tape, but all my favorite records were made that way, and I alway though that! I'm starting at music production now and the idea of mixing with a mouse sicks me. I want to get the feel and the sound of tape but with praticity (because I don't plan to be a huge producer) and low cost because here in brazil we don't really have aquisitive power.

And it's fun too. :)