@@Mustang_Dan The volcano blasted all those trees out of the ground with 600 degree pyroclastic flow and you think they would have branches left after that? lol

@@Lord_of_Pie What are you talking about? Did Dan and the others delete their comments?

@@matthewbehr5725 sure looks like it. But I gather someone named Dan was asserting that the trees were from something other than the eruption. Apparently Dan figured out how wrong he was and deleted his comments lol ...

Floating for forty years? Wood?

www.amusingplanet.com/2015/01/a-gigantic-mat-of-floating-tree-trunks.html?m=1

That was my first thought. Yeah, the lake will be the biggest problem.

There' are like 5 volcanoes in Washington state that could be an issue.. hopefully Yellowstone in Wyoming wouldn't be affected

@@aaronsmeal1904 That's not how volcanoes or earthquakes work. Isolated systems. Volcanoes only create Magmatic Quakes. Not Seismic ones. Violent enough Volcanoes can however rupture fault lines but, very rare.

I agree with R W....9.0? A whole lot more to worry about for most folks than that.

Yup, my exact thoughts. You need to worry about *every* structure in a 9.0 quake.

How dare you make people responsible!

@@quackula9190 Yes personal responsibility seems to be increasingly rare these days. Perhaps we should insist on making the Legislature control these things, since they seem to be trying to control everything, perhaps they can legislate away volcanic eruptions as well. We should have the tar and feathers ready for these omnipotent beings who think they can legislate every thing, should they fail.

I could not have said this any better than you did and let’s not forget any kind of insurance that someone gets will be under written by the taxpayer plus what about all the construction done to protect these people that also was paid for by the taxpayers and of course will some family member or some survivors sue the government or sue the contracted individual for damages if a disaster again happens and of course the tax pair will always be on the hook

Obama bought beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard, so he doesn't seem too concerned about "rising sea levels."

@Donald Dennison Stop being logical!

My family went often in the 60's.

So you were 10yrs old then :-/

It wasn't a dream but is a beautiful memory.

that is because the lake shore you visited is under 100 feet of water and another 100 feet of rubble.

@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUMhahahahahahaahah

Just a bit of research will show that Arizona has been successfully moving to non-grass landscapes with native vegetation. Drive through Phoenix neighborhoods and you see rock and gravel yards with cactus and shrubs. Water in Arizona is too expensive to have a lawn.

Wow so true I live near fountain grove which has burned down like 3 times and theyre rebuilding the community again so it can burn down again.

@Elizabeth Frantes Idk I was just in Windsor and all I saw were roasted oak and maple trees. What you're saying may be true in the LA area but it's not up North, there is so much growth happening here and then it dies in late summer and just burns. Every single time.

Even worse: How about building houses in steep, hilly areas, where it's extremely difficult to pump water uphill, and nearly impossible for fire trucks to reach? Check out the documentary, "Design for Disaster." It is based on the massive Bel Air fire in 1962. The thesis blames the destruction mostly on poor planning, for having built houses in the worst possible place.

I’m sorry you live there, Elizabeth!

Don't try to use logic and common sense when trying to convince bureaucratic engineers from changing their minds. They must spend all of their budget or face cuts during the next appropriations cycle.

Not sure if you watched it, but it'll definitely be a concern for communities down stream. Imagine surviving a 9.0 and unsuspectingly taking on a wall of flood debris.

@@willcruz7457 I think he was talking about how there will be a lot worse results from a 9.0 earthquake in the area. Not just Lahars. Potential Volcanic activity, pyroclastic flows, and amospheric ash for months. Thats just one. You would wish the floods took you out.

oldschoolman 144 you got that right.

John Peric, if people didn’t live where natural disasters can happen, they couldn’t live anywhere

Keys879, a severe earthquake in the Cascades is unlikely to cause volcanic eruptions. If any of those volcanoes erupt, they’ll do it on their own time. A 9.0 quake would cause widespread devastation, but it wouldn’t cause other natural disasters other than debris flows, city fires, and a likely tsunami.

I'm getting a degree in geology focusing on Volcanology and you are correct sir. Volcanology is super interesting. I also found that people have no clue what their environment is around them.

Global warming: “Hey, Netherlands ! The sea wants to have a word with you !”

Oh, like New Orleans?

Dutch are humans too, building a damn to protect from water is not something to brag about, its not a contest, the earth is a very unstable planet, nature happens.

And it has recovered it's beauty. It's a beautiful aquamarine color now.

THREADS

Yeah don't get how that seems to be such a mind bender for some people. "We're worried about our homes and families." Well if you hadn't built your house on nature's equivalent of an airport runway that would really wouldn't be an issue.

To high ground? The top of the volcano would do, then. We should be safe there 😂

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From a Native, so called primitive point of view: Humans are not the masters of the land, of the seas, of the sky or of volcanoes. You better dont fool around in sacred places, as is the Spirit Lake. Simply leave it alone.

Thank you! Finally I see someone acknowledge something I remembered from my childhood but is never addressed in the videos about MSH. I remember it “began” in February. I lived in Vancouver, Wa and my family watched the evening news every single night. There had been some activity on MSH and then one night my sister and I were awoken by a very loud sound and then the room started shaking. I was on the top bunk and thought the sound was that of a bat that “somehow” got into our upstairs bedroom. It sounding like the furious beating of large wings banging into the walls or window or something. When it was over, our mom hollered up the stairs, asking if we were alright (we were only 6 and 9, btw). I said, “there’s a bat in our room!” She informed us that it was an earthquake from MSH. Things progressed pretty quickly with the mountain after that. Anyway, so many stories forget that a lot was going on with the mountain in the few short months before the May 18th eruption. We are lucky if they acknowledge that we had some pretty good “eruptions” (that’s how we referred to them) before that date and some more afterward as well.

Don't forget greed!

And hubris....

When it happens

Makes as much sense...

I keep saying the same thing to myself over and over. But nobody listens.

@@ElwoodPDowd-nz2si ..... well no shit. Youre saying it to yourself.

Don’t forget Baker. It likes to remind people with its steam vents that it’s not irrelevant

David Mayhew, they can worry about more than one thing. I would hope geologists on the coast are trying to work on projects to quickly get people above a tsunami water line and changing building codes to be mega earthquake compliant so that by the time it happens, most buildings are better protected. It’s not imminent. It could be tomorrow, or it could be another 200 years.

A tsunami could go quite far inland. (see "The Orphan Tsunami").

@@somedumbozzie1539 Yes. Watch Peter Wiers The Last Wave.

Matt Carroll, Japan occasionally gets orphan tsunamis, where there’s a tsunami but no earthquake. One lines up, timewise, with the last major Cascade earthquake, which the indigenous people told stories of and had left high water marks on the Pacific coast.

@@somedumbozzie1539 thankyou for the amazing comment.

Brian Jacobsen, we could just do like those dam companies in Michigan and not upgrade infrastructure so it fails. Would that be better?

@@evilsharkey8954 what infrastructure would that be? The old tunnel? A 9 earthquake would make short work of it anyway and the lake would do the rest. That lake is not man made so there is no infrastructure.

@@nebtheweb8885 Exactly. It didn't have any damn tunnels and control gates before the eruption. It shouldn't have them now.

@Black powder Productions That's were I was born Concord Live in Washington State. 30 years.now.

We rebuild the east coast over and over and New Orleans over and over!

Why not just move the volcano..?

A force 9 earthquake in that area would make the flooding from a drained Spirit Lake irrelevant.

That’s exactly how the Northwest volcanoes work actually. They erupt, they slowly rebuild their peaks and glaciers, and when the peak becomes so heavy and large after about 300 years of this that the magma and gas constantly bubbling up from the melted subducting plate can no longer vent, it goes boom-boom again. St. Helens may have started growing again from small steam eruptions depositing small amounts of lava in the caldera, while regenerating its shadow-protected glacier, but its next eruption (touch wood) won’t be until the 24th century or something.

Perhaps a new river should have been built? Possibly cheaper, Salmon run?, cheaper to take care of?

Liberals playing God. I hope it kills every one of them.

U think Gov cares lol not their money it's taxpayer's

@@dontask8979 I am a liberal and I play God every day to make it to another day.

Or a powerful earthquake in a major urban area

*lose?

I think that there is alot beuond our control and that which we can fix we choose to ignore..

We've become so arrogant to believe we run the Earth, when in fact it is the Earth who runs us. But it does not matter, we can brag and lie as much as we want. She will ultimately have the last laugh. Nature is forever.

I guess because if we didn't control nature we'd all be dead within a month. That's all we have got. A dumb person is like a toothless tiger.

@@Keys879 we are hamsters in a fishtank..

@@leifharmsen we only can build things on the surface of the earth. There is much we dont control.. like the earth core ecpanding and continents shifting. The resultant floods, quakes and freaky lightning storms are just the beginning of what we dont control. Im curious as to what else could possibly happen before the cycle is complete. Many other major events in history has been matched with solar, climate, tree rings, rock layers/sediment, glass bead formation, and fossils. So other events are more explainable, and tells us what to expect.

Air and water agents of life hence bacteria and fungus to break down the wood

What? You would get in the way of the real estate speculators?

Too bad that wouldn't be legal considering that entire area is a National Monument, but go off anyway despite the facts telling you that wouldn't be possible.

Anytime government tells you they can protect you from a natural disaster the first thing I think is this is an attempt to spend money and the second thing I think that people will have a false sense of safety move back into the area and eventually if not lose their homes possibly lose their lives mother nature is never denied and of course if you buy flood insurance under these conditions the taxpayer ends up footing the bill all the time

Look, See, Decide, Do. Try and get right.

Number nine, number nine, number nine...

The map isn't upside down....... Vancouver Washington😑 NOT Vancouver BC.

Surfing music, no less.

Literally no one thinks that this will be the only problem when the big one happens. I really don't know how anyone could possibly be such a pathetic moron as to think that's what the implication of this story was. Get a grip.

@John Johnson Are you joking? You realize that multiple 9.0 or larger earthquakes have occurred around the world in the last century and that many man made structures have survived them? I swear to god, KZfaq comments are the absolute bottom barrel of society. You people are legitimately such morons that I honestly do not know how you even manage to function without a caretaker.

I was one week away from giving birth to my son. The 1980 explosion was my mother's and mine entertainment while we waited.

You really wanted to say that ..didn't you....lol

angela rinehart I did ;).

Alexander Clarke yup! The glacier inside Mount St. Helens surprisingly has regrown despite global warming. All that ice near the top will melt. Even in a minor eruption all that fragmented glacial ice will crack again and melt down the mountain. Horrible lahar risk

Nope, the water is crystal clear and it's filled full of fish again. We fished there last summer.

One of the comments has a link to a story that says - scientists decided to leave it that way - amazing .

JVONROCK, rather than infrastructure projects to protect human life and other infrastructure? Fuck you.

@@evilsharkey8954 Actually the issue is that the gov't spends your tax dollars in inappropriate ways. Typically it's diverted to whatever the big corporations want, which is why no matter how much you vote to give money to schools or other causes, you just see the same story in 18 months on the news: "...if the schools JUST had more money..." Then, fast forward to when all those kids finish high school, how much tax payer money was spent? How much is that HS diploma worth? Oh now they have to spend even MORE money to have any viable skills in the job market. The public is fleeced in the process as really the schools are just ONE example of a way to tax citizens while pretending to provide public benefit. Most areas spend >$10,000 per kid, per year. Think about how much time/money is wasted after 13 years, and now they have to go get into student loan debt? So this is just ONE example of how gov't mind F's you and the rest of the public into thinking "if we just gave them more money." Here's another: In 1997, the USFS came up with the Trail parking Demonstration fee program, later to become the trail parking pass. It started out at $20 per year, park at any USFS maintained trailhead. Then fast forward, after 20+ years of this, how many trials are maintained or new ones built? Very few, in fact, many have gone the other direction. So, you have to take a more objective, less EMOTIONAL approach to decision making, trust me, it'll help you become a better decision maker. Now, is this whole thing on Spirit Lake true, probably, is it's a problem? Yes, but it is a major priority among hundreds of other bigger more pressing issues? No. When you solve problems, you need to prioritize based upon likelihood, time, cost. Right now the USFS chooses to spend money on worthless crap, and there's no incentive for the poor decision making to end. If or when you DO actually get them to comment, they blame whatever administration is in place on the executive branch at the time, so it's not a D vs R thing, it's a Government has Big Corporations as the primary priority in mind at all times. Funny how Big corps get bailouts instantly, and then when it comes to helping anyone else: "oh...well we need to think about that..." and as always, the majority of the public drops back into retardation

07wrxtr1, that’s why we need to push for campaign finance reform, government accountability, ranked choice voting, and non-partisan redistricting. If we can establish those at the local and state level, there will be evidence of effectiveness that can be applied to the whole country. In the meantime, pick candidates in primaries who are less about partisan goals and more about good governance. Unfortunately, we didn’t get any such candidates for the presidential election. Maybe we’ll get lucky, and the virus will make both p*ssy grabbing pigs so sick they have to drop out so we can get better choices.

@@evilsharkey8954 Agreed; It's sad and frustrating that there's just little/no representation for 99% of people, but most are under the illusion that there is if they "just" pick the right candidate, which is useless when that candidate isn't on a ballot or doesn't have enough money to run an effective campaign. With this whole economic bust happening right now, just look around as the big corps are going to get bigger, and the small/medium sized businesses are either going away completely or will have to re-organize via a chapter 11 situation, thus resulting in less jobs overall. Even worse is that we as consumers and workers have really only two choices: a) starve to death by not having a job at a big corporation or spending money at one, or b) work for and/or spend money at big corporations. Don't even get me started on stock bybacks. I wish the millenials would really go after the rich execs that ran corporations into the ground instead of 168 "gender identities" or other bs made up "issues". It's really sad that the millenials are both intelligent and retarded at the same time.

@@evilsharkey8954 you are just a liberal twat. Trump in no way shape form or fashion grabbed a woman's pussy. stop spreading your bullshit.

I strongly suspect this disinformation from Wolfy is designed by space aliens from the planet Zoltan who don’t want you to know they caused the eruption to destroy their arch enemy Vulcan headquarters under Harry Truman’s lodge and now are trying to control all major world governments, e.g. the orange haired freak in the whitehouse, putan, xi jinxing, macron, Johnson - and even the Portland city council and mayor. Please be sceptical and on guard for liars, idiots, and the ignorant, which are almost everyone at one time or another.

@@j-maxfromor1895 Dear Sir! Please google for this and You will find evidence. Even in northern Europe we have those creatures. Look on KZfaq under „Searching for Swedish Bigfoot 1 - 3 and You will be surprised what is really going on here on earth. I hitch hiked 1984 for from Sidney tho Rockhampton and further to Cairns and first we came through the Blue Mountains. On a resting place the driver saw huge footprints in the wet sand and said „Oh my god a Yowie“! As a young man from central Europe I had no idea what this was. He got pale in his face and told me to get in the car very quick and he drove with a speed with me away. That was no prank on me because this gentleman was shaken. I could see that and he spoke no word for longer time. Later I saw a sign beside the road with „Bigfoot“ written on it. Later he explained me what this kind of creature this is. I didn’t first believe him but later I could find more out about this aggressive creature. In Australia so many people disappear every year in their national parks an jungles or forests. It’s incredible. Since 1984 I am because if this interested on this topic. In northern Europe they call those creatures „Hairy wild man“ and those come more and more further south and even in Poland they have been seen too. Thank god they are not aggressive here. If You really ned true information just go to the next Indian tribe in the USA and ask the. All tribes had their encounters with Sasquatch. I was very often from my country Austria in Sweden and was talking to the people there about this subject and a hunter explained to me that even around the city of Katerineholm in southern Sweden those creatures are living in the forests. In Russia they called them Almasty and the government has a professor who is inventing to this subject. If You like look on KZfaq for „Dixie Cryptid“ and for „how to hunt“. Those are the most serious sources in the USA for this topic. I am a old sergeant major in a tank brigade in Austria and believe me. I am not a dreamer. Dears sincerely! Wolfgang Josef GUGELWEITH! Greetings from Arnieland Austria 🇦🇹🏔⛷🛶🍺🥨🐺!

The only part of your comment I have a hard time with is US scientists helping those creatures. We're notorious for killing anything that isn't us.

Finally a thread that makes sense.

So called "leaders" doing their jobs? Now that's a novelty!

It's three years later, (2023) and nothing has blown yet.

Mike Young : Well,as Forrest Gump would say,“Life was like a box of chocolates..."

Yes, and crummy 70s and 80s music is "retro" NOW. Scary, isn't it?

@@davidlafleche1142 Very. On the plus side, however, people now think 80s music was Devo, Talking Heads, and Duran Duran and not Billy Ocean, Barbara Streisand, and Alabama.

@@Phoenix-ej2sh Weird Al Yankovic. Other than that, my favorite songs were "No More Madonna," and "The Curly Shuffle."

Cascadia is fairly predictable. About every 500 years on average. Last one 320 years ago. Most likely will not go in my life time. The mountain on the other hand is not predictable. Millions to be spend on something that the mountain will render useless. Great plan!!!!

@@TheLittlered1961 Actually earthquakes are super hard to impossible to predict. We can give an estimate as to when it might happen with the Cascadia event because we have enough data supporting the fact that it has displaced several times in the past. Volcanoes are more predictable due to the immense research we have put forward into the field and most volcanoes give off a lot of warning signs before they erupt.

@@Vonnegut5000 We can not predict volcanoes. We can get a lead time on them thou. Lead time can be a few days to a couple of months. Mount Saint Helens was dormant for 700 years then blew in 1480 and 1482. Both were as strong or stronger than the 1980 eruption. It has no known cycles. There are to many variables to predict volcanoes to give us anything more than a lead time on them. Known faults on the other hand we have a history for them and can estimate when they may go. This is even more true for the faults that go in a full rip, such as Cascadia. Movement of the crust is a known quantity. The amount of shear strength needed for a rip is unknown. As a result we calculate with in decades or maybe a century.

We definitely understand faults better than we did and have mapped out quite an impressive number of them but predictions on them is still a far way off. We can estimate but that's not a prediction. The Cascadia fault line is fairly unpredictable thus why we have estimations on when the next event "could" occur. This estimation could be off by over 100 years and we wouldn't know. It still makes sense to prepare for it though since we do know it most likely will occur again. Volcanoes on the other hand are mostly predictable by days or weeks. While Mt. St. Helen's has surprised us before, the events leading up to the 1980 eruption had been monitored and they were predicting an eruption then. They knew it would and warned everyone days before the eruption. There are other volcanoes that are far more predictable than St. Helen's. We see quakes, harmonic tremors, and deformation all leading up to the eruption. New vents are more unpredictable since there is no visible sign except for what's going on underground, however volcanoes still give off quite a bit of notice before eruptions unlike earthquakes from fault lines which give very little to no warning at all.

@@Vonnegut5000 I believe we are somewhat the same page. The problem is there is a confusion between long term prediction and lead time. What you call a prediction, I call lead time. Time to prepare vs should I buy this property. What started my comment was the video. It is far more likely that Mt St Helen will blow again before Cascadia will let loose. The point is that they are spending millions on a less likely scenario, while ignoring the far more likely scenario. Could we have a quake other than Cascadia that would cause the natural dam to break? Yes is the simple answer. I went through the Nisqually Quake in 2001, 6.9. Could that bring down the natural dam? I do not know. I question if that quake could liquefy the soil well enough to do that. If they are that scared of the lake taking out lives, just drain the f#!ing lake. Problem solved. I am sick of the politicians draining our pockets for temporary fixes and come back for more money next year.

Haha, I had to go back and watch it again just to see that. I totally missed it. She does look super pissed off.