I dont get the disappointment with the 40 supers. it's objectively a better deal. it's either cheaper and about the same power, or the same price with a spec bump. even GN tried to act like this was some sort of bad thing.

They’re still terribly overpriced.

@@KellerFkinRyan The pricing took one step forward after taking two backwards. Better, but still bad. Plus you still get too little Vram and Vram bus width.

@@Keeki549 I dont think the 4070 super is really over priced?

@@IncredibleLyrics I think everyone's just wanting pricing to come back down to earth so people don't have to shell out $600 (or even more for AIB cards) for a 70 series, when in the past it wasn't that much.

yeah especially if its on special

I actually got one recently because of this

Does the 6800 XT work with intel cpu?

​@@robertstamps2674 yes, you can use it with a Intel cpu

I just need that FSR3!! So many games @1440p would feel so much better. Cyberpunk, Hogwarts and Starfield for sure need some help

True but not fanboying my brother had a 5700xt and a 6700xt I think and they both had pretty bad software bugs. I can't speak on it personally but he said he didn't love it

yea and bringing down our rents before the pandemic would be great too.... news flash its not going to happen.

As long as there are people who continue to buy them at these prices, we are not going to see any change that is favourable to consumers. This is it from now on. Expensive or underperforming cards, take your pick.

@@nomustacheguy5249 y well you are buying more expensive oil, food, and everything else, why are you still buying it? I am pretty sure prices would drop if demand was lower as well.

@@ivann4512 are you comparing food and essentials with GPUs ?? Mate, come on!

I remember buying the 970 for €325, which was a lot of money for a card at the time

As always, the argument is more about the features, however the difference in price is a little extreme where you live so it would make way more sense to go for the 7800xt.

@@SiLva_SuRfa Features that stifle real performance improvements.

HUB's price per frame data agrees with you. The 4070 Super is the best of nVidia's lineup, but the 7800XT beats it cleanly on price per frame.

@@karlos1060 driver issues? which ones? Red devil RX 7900XT here

I like Ray Tracing and Frame Gen ... like it or not frame gen is the future since the die size for GPU's is reaching a point of diminishing returns ... and NVIDIA is superior in every way to AMD in these regards. If you just want to play some shooter with a million FPS I can see your point but for me until AMD gets it's features in line, it's a hard pass for me.

Earlier this year I personally made the jump from a 1080 to the 4070. Was a big jump in performance and not even counting the same power usage if not slightly less :)

I concur, I usually go every other generation.

2070-2080 folks need to wait for the 5000 series IMO. I have a 2070 Super, I am good on 1440 which is all I care about, why not wait 10 months?

@@ThePalePatriot I am on 2070 Super as well. Have been looking at the 7800xt for awhile. The 8gb is stifling now :( . I am only on 1080 res

@@ThePalePatriot yeah 2070 super is still great but i have the normal 2070 and it started to lack at my ultrawide resolution

damn, mine already over 2 years old.. time flies 😅

I got one like 4 months ago and its honestly a great card. I couldnt care less about RT or any of that stuff so its perfect. Slapped on a 5800x3d along with it like a month ago and its just amazing. Very happy with my upgrade as well, just like you. Great card!

saying the 4070 super is better than my 3090 is beyond insulting if its true

Yea it is at 1080p not at 4k or supposed to be anyways

@@timmypowers5926 Why not at 320x200 then? 1080p was fine at the beginning of the century, but since then things have moved on...

Considering ny 1080ti was like a 4070ti.. And i sold it a year ago for 300$ replaced it with a 6900xt used for 600$.. spending only 300$.. And getting 2x the fps nearly. I dont see how you can stand a 2070 this long

@@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305 eh i can understand it. I had a 2070 non-super that was still performing fine, but I overclocked it (it was a 8 pin+6pin card so with the extra power headroom i got higher overclocks) and basically got it to the level of 1080 Ti in performance. that being said, that card performed admirably, but i replaced it with a 4070 non-super, i couldnt wait for the super cards because it was a christmas present, and it wasnt my money so there was basically no loss. If he was playing on 1080p, the 2070 Super is a very tolerable card and actually outperforms a 1080 Ti when VRAM isnt the issue

I mean my 1050ti lives to this day, upgraded to a 4080 a while ago though so hopefully u make it too

@@vadwvea7153 I hope the 4080 Super doesn't get scalped because the $200 price cut will mean a lot to consumers. The original 4080 was kind of bad value, but it is a great performing card

@@vadwvea7153 damn i had a 1070ti when they came out. And i hated it lol

I will also be waiting, I have a 3080 STRIX and will wait for the 5000 series.

@@Fun_Health_MTB I have 3070 and will wait for 6000-7000 series to drop in roughly 4 years later

Risky proposition. You never really know if the prices are going to be stable or if they will see a massive jump. I got mine yesterday for $650USD flat. More than I would have liked to have paid, but it's a big enough tech jump from my GTX 1080, that I'm not feeling the pain too much, plus I can probably sell the 1080 for somewhere around $100-200 to recoupe on some of the bs.

3 months later and the price has dropped down to around $670 for the 4070 super.

I got a 7900 gre at msrp. Could not bring myself to buy nvidia. Just feels dirty to me.

You could go cheaper and have the same results if you go 1080p and of course that means a monitor of max 24 inch to keep the image crispy clear. If you want 4k and 60 fps and you have a monitor of 32 inch for example, you're gonna have to fork out more than 500$ (right now I mean, not during Christmas sale)

Never dropped under 680€ Here... I'm excepting the Super to seat at 820-840 on launch day

@@Davenport9011080p @ 24” is straight trash. Idk how people can game on that. Minimum should be 1440p 27” and even a 6700xt can handle that.

Thats around my same range also im using a 3070 not sure where to go from this.

​@iury862 Or just play older games at 1440p/4k. I have a 4070, and I'm running new games on 3440x1440 no problem with good fps and high settings.

How would I find smth like that? I mean it's not an incredible deal, but a consideration

happy with my asus 3090 tuf. 24gb vram is nice to have, runs cool and no weirdness, crashes or bluescreens at all since I got it. Actually surprised because at this point I usually have some crash with previous gpus.

@@maxzett I thought it was a steal haha. I got it from a guy who used to mine crypto. The card started rusting from the inside, so he RMAd it. I got it off of him for 600€, card came with a new 2 year warranty, all the plastics on the ‘shell’ and all the accessories sealed.

@@Xirpzy yeah so far so good. I haven’t had any sort of issues. Temps sit very low compared to what I am used to and I can easily run games at 1440p maxed out with RT. It’s as smooth as it gets. Paired with a 7800x3D.

@@dantay_____tv just bought a used 3080 10gb from ebay for about $449 ($560 with s/h & taxes) about two weeks ago. I would have preferred to buy this instead had I been aware it was coming out. To my knowledge there were only the original 40 series lineup out and they didn't seem worth it. But oh well, I'll take this "loss" and hold out for something better later on.

Thats insane. The 7900 xt just went on sale for 709$ usd. Thinkin about getting it.

in my country its +$75 hahaha..

Its 716$ here in Denmark. But it's OC version and have Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora allso

@@Bashiron75 I got myself the OC version with the avatar key. Poor choice of a game bundle tbh.

@@ElJewPacabrah 7900xt is 1148 usd in Sweden

Same but i am waiting for the 4070ti super for the vram

I try to jump over every other gpu gen.

Just hold off until 5000 series comes. I'm going to do that - 70ti

@@joaomiguelgoncalvesdematos6135 This is my plan. My 3070 is still perfectly capable of playing basically any modern game at 4k with some compromises like DLSS and reduced texture/RT settings but they still look really good so I'm not feeling pressure to upgrade just yet. That said, upgrading right now isn't necessarily a bad idea. At least locally, it looks like I can still get ~$300 for my 3070, so for an extra $300 out of pocket, a 4070 Super isn't an absolutely terrible value. Where this gets questionable is when considering an upgrade to the 4070Ti Super for an extra $200 which puts you close to the 4080 in terms of performance. By the time the 5070 is out, I'll be lucky to see $200 for my 3070 and if the 5070 follows typical generational performance improvements then we can expect it to outperform a 4080 and if nVidia decides to raise the price another $100 like they did with the 4070 then we're getting really close to break-even with upgrading to the 4070Ti Super right now and also not having to wait until 2025 for an upgrade.

I already feel like I need to upgrade my 3070, waiting to see availability of these supers at launch, but I may jump to the 4080 super this time.

I can certainly believe that! I myself upgraded from my old 960 to a 7900XTX. Im running 3440x1440p res and the performance uplift is like going from ps3 to PC all over again

I did a 1070ti > 4070 super. It is like 20 bucks more than the 4070 itself right now at 575. Huuuge upgrade. Especially because I have a 1440p 144hz monitor. Edit: trades blow for blow with a 3090 except 4k, obv. Competing with a 1300+ dollar card a gen later. Heck, I'll take it. 😂

7900 GRE would’ve been better tbh

Me too been considering purchasing but I wanna see some proper benchmarks

I'm most interested with the 4070 Ti super i personally feel it'll be 7900 XTX performance

​@@Beginnergamer1823 I would say 7900 XT levels of performance. The 4070 Ti Super is a slightly cut down 4080, so it will be slightly slower but significantly cheaper, so it should be much better value. The 7900 XTX slightly outperforms the 4080 in most rasterized games, so the 4070 Ti Super will definitely trail behind the 7900 XTX in rasterization, at least. The 4080 Super should outperform the 7900 XTX in rasterization, though.

I have the impression that a normal 4080 vs 4080 super will be a difference of 5 fps.

7900xtx is faster than 4080 how is 4070 ti super gonna be better?​@@Beginnergamer1823

Is more vram only useful for gaming, or is it also a requirement for workstation/productivity/office work ?

@@JustCarnivorousCupcakei think vram in also important for video editing, but i’m not sure, this is gonna be my first build ever 😅

I have a 3080TI and I run 3440x1440 165hz and never run into issues maxing games out. The vram thing is way over blown

You’re not going to need more than that for gaming anyways. Very few games use more than 12.

what on earth are you playing that hits 12gb? i play modern games @ 1440p on my 3080 10gb and dont have that problem.

Is it not common knowledge the games will pile on the available VRAM because it is there? That does not mean it plays any better or worse. We have yet to see any actual meaningful benchmarks where 12GB VRAM is actually the bottleneck.

Have to agree, but mine is the 3080ti

the electricity a 3090 burns is a killer. I have a 3090 and a 4090 the 4090 does 70% more for just over half the power draw

I have a 3080ti so I’ll wait. I will likely upgrade from the 5600x to the new 5700x3d. Been holding off on the 5800x3d for awhile now.

I bought the cheapest 4080 at Febuary-March 2023, a little bit after bying a new computer in December 2022 (with my old 2070 in it). I should be set for a little bit more than four years.

Same. My 3090 does better against my friends with a 4070 and is neck and neck with a 4070 TI, so there is no real reason to even think about upgrading at this point. I've already done a teardown and replaced the thermal pads with K5 Pro and repasted. Brought the temps down and in check.

Yea and to top this off, you can get a 6950XT for the same price as a regular RTX 4070 for months now. Microcenter has them 549.99, it's damn near an unbeatable deal.

@@AthenaAutocrossComparing that card to the 7800XT, isn’t the $50 more worth it?

Got my 6900xt for 500$ few days ago. Great deal.

congradulations @@TheMrSatyricon good move. That's what im using too (XFX Black Edition). Been pretty easy to resist my ever present desire to get more graphics power b/c its making beautiful eye candy on a 42 inch OLED with plenty of FPS for the games i play.

Well said @@AthenaAutocross that's pretty much the route i have chosen for my 4k endeavors. (highly binned 6900xt)

When will they hit stores? Does the release day mean store release? Like best buy.

That's so funny. I literally had my hands on the Gigabyte WINDFORCE 4070 for about a month, when the super series was announced. Luckily I was still within my return policy and returned it and just ordered the super FE today. Absolutely worth the extra $50 for a performance increase of up to 20%. Not to mention it looks great. Though I fully expect the regular 4070 to drop to $499. Otherwise buying the card is completely worthless

LOl i literally just did exactly this. with the WINDFORce for the Super. Return Policy for the win@@Braeden.F

What games are you playing that need more fps? That's when you upgrade.

Your card is basically same as 4070, just wait year for 5070 or similar, now its good moment to upgrade processor(7800x3d or wait end year for 15gen if u prefer) or buy oled monitor(1440p) 😉

I have the same card. It still holds up alright . No point upgrading at these prices imo. I'm also waiting for next gen, if I'm going to be charged a ridiculous amount I want a ridiculous jump in performance to go with it lol. A 5080 at $1000 or less that's twice as powerful might tempt me 😂

I also have a 10 gb 3080. Went for a Mobo and cpu upgrade (7800x3d) until we see the 5000 series results I suppose. I came from a 9700k and it’s nice to see the full potential of the 3080 for now without the bottleneck. I feel the price isn’t quite worth the upgrade just yet but that’s just me.

If it's running the things you want to run then why bother spending more money? Treat yourself with a nice trip instead.

I went from a 1060 to a 6750xt... Huge upgrade, I paid $440 for it 2022 Christmas.

nah fuck em

Fuck em … 😂

Bro the 4090 was 1740 dollars on black friday, its insane but i feel like i missed out because i want to buy a pc now and nothing at any price point seems like a good deal. Waiting for 50 series in 2025 is sadly not an option i want to consider

@@Robin-ou1gg Wrong- the 4090 was 1600-1750 everywhere right BEFORE Black Friday, then they went up to 2000-2300 for the black friday "sale", and a GPU trade in option was added, which would give you $150 value for a 2080 for example, so basically you end up giving them your old GPU and still paying more than what the price had been for months and months before black Friday. Fuck Nvidia

Then you should feel really bad for the 40 super buyer because there will be 50 series by the end of the year or early next year, and the cycle continue indefinetely...

Take a hard look at AMD. There are some very compelling choices there.

Bruh you had a decade to save up 👁️👄👁️

I'm still holding on to my 1080 and 7700k. Would current set ups be an uplift? Sure. But I'm not so pinched that I need to waste money with these cash grab cards/cpus.

@@DavidTheGamer27 I have for sure since I dont really play any titles with RT or DLSS

@@classicalextremism the only issue with that is that that generation of CPu won't run Windows 11 after the support for 10 ends next year.

Best to wait for the 5000 series. These late SUPERs will be getting replaced by the end of this year. A 5080 would be sweet or better yet just wait until the year GTA 6 comes out as those will be the cards to get.

5080 is going to be 20% faster overall but probably use about 30% less power.

same bro ,i just got the nitro + 7800 xt so happy with it. coming from a 1060 ti.

Accurate this is what i did more ram and the same or better performance

Same I was worried id regret the choice but its a huge upgrade from a rtx2070

@@fade2black15 and I was upgrading from a 1060 🤣

The 9% increase in price for 15% upgrade for performance makes the Super a no-brainer unless you can find a regular 4070 well below $550.

Couldn't agree more. I also have a 4070 and more than happy with it. Will keep the 4070 till the 5070, 5080 launch

You did good. I feel like it might get another $50 price cut at somepoint. But mabye you did good by locking it in now.

By then announcements or leaks of 5000 series should be out maybe dropping the super by 50 bucks.

End of summer/fall? At that point just wait for the 5000 series.

Yeah the 2070 Super with DLSS is still doing really good even at 1440p

@@7evive yeassir even my 2060 6gb but lower frames than the 2070 s obviously. Probably worth to wait till next gen. The 4070 super sales are showing people dont want to shell 600-650 for a 12gb card. Nvidia is great at getting people to upgrade every gen by limiting their current one. Obviously they cant just release the best tech for cheap every time but they could at least widen the bus width and vram cause its a fast card clock wise and has good shader cores.

They basically dont want their cards to be too future proof because that means more people skipping current gen. They couldnt give us too much value cause thatll hurt their bottom line since most customers are idiots and buy every gen. If we want change we need to show with our wallets.

Only thing its hard to fnd at $500

Which is exactly why I bought one.

@@nttinvis You literally can buy one right now from AMD direct for $499.

It certainly was a huge jump in performance for me from my old RX 580. Just bought the best custom solution for it for Xmas, ezpz. I'm set for 5+ years down the line.

@@LowStealth Newegg also has a Sapphire at 499, with a free Avatar game.

Same here, if they say 600$msrp, its probably 700-800, im glad i got the chance to pick up a 7900xtx for 300$ off on black friday

@@rodrigocruz8548 in the US, the MSRP is the MSRP, if the product is $599, you pay $599 at the very least. And if you live near a microcentre too, you’re basically guaranteed to get products at MSRP. But if you live outside the US, you pay extra mark up on top of the 10% import cost like we get here in Australia.

Yep same here. And the one I picked up with a nice discount (Sapphire Nitro) looks pretty damn sweet as well. Been up and running for a couple of months now and absolutely zero issues.

@@quirinaled2752 i have same ✌️

​@@quirinaled2752@techgirl517 hey you guys, even I was thinking of getting the nitro+ 7800xt. How is it holding up in 1440p games? I got a 2k170hz monitor thinking a x800XT class card would be able to push that much fps but benchmarks say otherwise. How has your experience been?

well its cheaper yes but faster no

the 4080 is a monster, beast of a card. it runs cool and is very power efficient. expensive though

Imo the 4080 won't last long for 4k. 4090 is the only true 4k card so far. I'd wait for next gen personally

@@PCgamingbenchmarktime Yeah the 4080 already struggles in some games at 4k and the super is only going to be a few % better.

@@JimBuckYou66 Also the price is almost the same 1099-1150 (depends of the brand).

exactly. its not even close to being worth its price. next gen is when the 80 series should become a true 4k card if its still getting around the same gen on gen uplifts. i'd expect more of an improvement in ray tracing too which is now starting to become more common in games@@JimBuckYou66

Do you do a lot of work with vram? If so what? I'm just curious why you'd go for a 4080 super over a 4090

palit 4070 ti have great temps never reach 71 C

​@@COOLGamer24318and costs how much? Lol

yeah for the vram and if your not using RT. is more than enough for a 1440p and 16vram for future proof.

Ditto, still perfectly pleased with my 1080ti. In good conscience I just cant justify buying into this current level of utter BS thats been thrown our way from day one.

but still not good enough..

Yeh i'm tossing up a serious GPU upgrade for my work computer. what were you using before and how much difference? I do alot of photoshop with some 4k video. the 13900 intel was doing a great job so far with my old gtx 1660 super. But large batches in photoshop on certain processes puts all the load on the GPU!

Hahah i was using a 1060 3gb before and the difference is HUGE but that is not a big surprise 😂 I don’t use photoshop that much and when I do it is not really that heavy of an workload so honestly I have not noted a big difference there but I am sure that some of the AI stuff would get faster? But I am not sure 😅 Premiere and After effects is crazy fast tho the boost in vram from 3 to 12 is night and day! I have basically never had it stutter in the timeline unless I used some crazy effects but honestly it think that has more to do with my R5 3600 than the 4070. I have heard that photoshop really likes fast ram tho so maybe check into that before pulling the trigger? Although, again, I have little personal experience with photoshop so take this with a grain of salt 🧂 There is another KZfaqr called Tech Notice I think? He made a really good video comparing the cards for creators! Search like “rtx 4070 for creators” and it should be near the top👍

@@andrepalm6283 very true, I find lightroom is very GPU demanding if i through a few hundred photos a once through a clean up to create a hyperlapse. Last job gave me a 5hr plus wait which i couldn't be bothered waiting for lol

@@andrepalm6283 I follow Technotice too. He's the reason i went with the Asus Z790 Creator wifi motherboard. which sadly is back at ASUS for warranty!

I got a 7900xtx. I tried openVR benchmark on steam and looked at scores online. I found a subreddit about the HP reverb, i set the same resolution on steam to have comparable scores. My card do 38fps. A 3080ti do 31. A 3080 do 30. A 6900xt do 28. A 2080TI do 21. A 4090 do 55 (wow). A 4080 do 36 (another one do 35, so it's legit). Somebody tried the benchmark on a 4070 with another resolution, so i tried. He got 62fps, i got 85. Given the 4080 scores, i would say AMD is competitive in VR. The 4090 score look so much higher compared to it's 2D performance, it is strange.

I have the 7900xt and for windows mixed reality headsets, it runs well, no problems with steam VR either. Meta needs to update their program/drivers though.

@@PyromancerRift This is good news from both of you. Makes me feel a lot less constricted to in the future just considering buying an Nvidia GPU. I have a Valve Index and RTX 3080 w/5800X3D so I am probably going to wait until a cross generation upgrade I am more than good for now but I'm glad AMD has competitive VR performance now. I know a couple ultra high end VR headsets like the Varjo Areo didn't support AMD GPUs which is so dumb, but I think they're fixing that on their newer nicer models thankfully

I was tempted to cop the zotac 4070 during the holidays when it was $519, decided to just save up between then and now and wait for 4070 ti super / 4080 super results

it didn't push it down in price. It was already selling for $550.

@@jamesbyrd3740 Those could be just black friday/holiday prices, but what I was alluding to is that I would not have been surprised if the 4070 Super was launched with something above original 4070 msrp. It's Nvidia after all.

Where are you getting 500 watts from? The TDP of the card is like 220.

@@AzumiLP title "And it's exactly what you expected...." It was just a joke it's said you which is me and I expect 500 watts!

Hey mate I'm in Nz too and think the same. Also here we don't get told the msrp so we have no idea of pricing compared to msrp. The prices seem crazy here.

​@@everymangamer1608 - in NZ too waiting for these releases to purchase one of the higher end 4080s and monitoring all cards prices to pick the best time to grab one, and have noticed a few local stores now recently had 4070s etc quite cheap (without being on sale) , then about 2 weeks ago the prices randomly went up about a week before the super release, then the day of the 4070 super release the 4070 prices were back to the same they were before (that were the low prices without being on sale) and have the "discounted sale" references alongside them, grimy tactics, from the 4070 super release prices it looks as though whatever the previous prices were from most of the cards will be taken over by the super series and the new prices may stay as the now "false discounted prices" for a while, I have noticed the 4080s have had a big drop from ~$2500+nzd to ~$2000nzd finding some to be cheaper than the 7900xtx cards now and if the supers come in with the same NZ release values then the 4080 super variants may all be around the $2500-$3250 price point, the 4070TI super may be around the $1750 mark, past history prices since the 40 series release in NZ show the prices high for the first month to month and a half of release then they all drop off a fair chunk of $$ and stabilize for a while Below looks to be current prices as well as some "assumptions" 4070 series ~$1000-1200nzd mark 4070 super ~$1300-1600nzd mark 4070 ti - currently ~$1400-1700nzd mark 4070 ti super maybe ~$1700nzd range 4080 currently ~$2000-2500nzd mark 4080 super maybe ~$2500-3250nzd mark since some of the original 4080s came in well over $3k Each separation seems to be somewhere around +250nzd for the same brand Basically one way to gauge is look at US prices, now USD to NZD is not exactly half, but because of shipping to NZD etc and tax etc normally you can double the US prices and have a close enough gauge to what they will be or should be here

@TooMuchGaming247 hero mate you're spot on. The Ti Supers start at $1,729 and go to to $2k. That's an insult. The 4070 supers are now on special with a $40 discount haha. No one was buying them. Wonder if the TiS will get discounted in a week. The 7900xtx was also on sale for $1,800. When do you think isc the best time to buy? Wait until Easter sales? Would be great to stay in touch off KZfaq somehow as you really know what you're talking about

Solid decision. The 3090 is still a completely viable card compared to the 4000 series.

Same. My 3090ftw3 is still crushing it, but I would like to get similar performance with out the high power draw!

@@relaylogik8450 agree. Instead of getting a 4000 series, you'd be better off spending the money on a new case, some fans and a PSU. $250 and you have a like new PC. I bought the H6 flow so I could put it on my desktop, beautiful case. I have to get something this year because I'm still on a 2080.