40K's Factions of the Future

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On this episode, Brad, Eric expand on one of the questions that were submitted for last episode: “Which Faction would you like to add and/or remove from 40k?”. Let’s discuss how to better distribute each alien race and political alignment in a way that makes the game more fun for everybody.
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00:00 Intro
01:32 The Basics of the 40K Setting
02:43 More Depth in Lore, Please
04:42 Rethinking Eldar and T’au
08:07 Tangent with Eric - Rak’Gol
09:51 Adding Chaos to Chaos
13:59 Eric Learns that he wants Votann added to the Game
15:49 The Imperium will be happy
16:28 Rethinking Votann and T’au
17:41 Brad doesn’t like delicious stews
18:35 Rethinking Ad Mech and Knights
20:42 What about Genestealers and Tyranids
21:36 What about Necrons and Orks
23:17 Fleshing out everything
33:57 Outro
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@15DEAN1995
@15DEAN1995 10 ай бұрын
It'd be funny if the skaven from fantasy just opened a portal and landed on a 40k world. Seeing how they would develop their technology and interact with the world would be interesting.
@grosslittlegoblin1358
@grosslittlegoblin1358 10 ай бұрын
Well there is Grimfuture, its an alternative (i think better) ruleset for 40k. And they implemented Skaven and Lizardman to the 40k rules.
@giantninja9173
@giantninja9173 10 ай бұрын
Considering the skaven have lore where a warlock saw the kharadron’s sky ships and said “I could do that but better.” He then came back a few years later (was extremely secretive because skaven like backstabbing) with the title of admiral and 11 flying skaven ships. It’d be interesting to see what they would make given the tech they’d discover in 40K.
@leanderschuster3196
@leanderschuster3196 10 ай бұрын
no
@fosty662
@fosty662 10 ай бұрын
Yes-yes good great
@hinogamiyang5818
@hinogamiyang5818 10 ай бұрын
So um Skaven worships Nurgle yes? Just imagine Skaven plague Marines.
@offtankgaming1310
@offtankgaming1310 10 ай бұрын
10:05 - “I don’t know dude; the thing is - I don’t actually know enough about how the warp works…” - a casual conversation between a Chaplain and a Chaos Sorceror
@Jambonneau826
@Jambonneau826 10 ай бұрын
In the Arhiman trilogy the non-TS Chaos Sorcerers don't seem to know much either...
@icycoatl3185
@icycoatl3185 10 ай бұрын
I bet the TS don’t think they do at least.
@AliceBowie
@AliceBowie 10 ай бұрын
Skaven already have a counterpart in 40k. It's called Imperial Guard.
@ztcgamer9652
@ztcgamer9652 10 ай бұрын
I literally choked on my sandwich while I was reading this well done😂
@sir_tacothe1st
@sir_tacothe1st 10 ай бұрын
😐
@Forestxavier20
@Forestxavier20 10 ай бұрын
You aren't wrong, the Guard are just the not furred and less infighty version of Skaven.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 10 ай бұрын
I'd go further and say the Imperium as a whole is very Skaven. An unwieldy empire of fast-breeding creatures living in squalor, whose many feuding subfactions are begrudgingly beholden to a council of bastards that claim to speak for their species's god. Throwing their people into the twin meat grinders of Industry and War, to perpetuate a deeply unjust and cruel hierarchy. Imperial Guard are Clans Verminus, the endless hordes of disposal chaff. Their elite Tempestus Scions/Kasrkin (also called "Storm Troopers") are Storm Vermin, who get the best training, the best food, and the best equipment. The Ecclesiarchy/Sisters of Battle are Clans Pestilens. Zealots given over to religious mania, who dive headfirst into war high on both unshakable faith and the fumes coming off their censer bearers. The Adeptus Mechanicus are Clans Skryr, scientists with no scruples and a conviction in their own brilliance. Bombarding their foes with the energy coming off glowing green rocks, while equipping their soldiers with heavy weapons they don't really understand. The Officio Assassinorum are Clans Eshin, a dark and secretive order of killers who loose modified murderers to remove threats to their empire's interests. Agile spies and skilled killers, who are as often stabbing their own people in the back as their enemies, for crimes real or perceived. The Space Marines are Clans Moulder, or rather the products of their debased bio-craft. What is a Space Marine than a glorified Rat Ogre, after all? They're just as brainwashed and just as unthinking of commands given to them from on high.
@BlareWolfgang
@BlareWolfgang 10 ай бұрын
💀
@gutta_the_III
@gutta_the_III 10 ай бұрын
When it comes to bugs for T'au, as Eric suggested you would not even need to invent a new species there is such a race in lore. The Thraxians, four-armed crabs/bugs known for serving the T'au as close quarters combat specialists (which would be nice for tabletop).
@jerryjezzaberry5009
@jerryjezzaberry5009 10 ай бұрын
Most of the tau auxiliaries would be super beneficial for their tabletop viability.
@Lilybun
@Lilybun 10 ай бұрын
Other races would help their lore viability too. Some of the auxiliaries got access to FTL but the tau still spend several years traveling to farsight enclaves
@Kalianos88
@Kalianos88 10 ай бұрын
Still waiting on the psychic bear people they are allied with.
@murphy7801
@murphy7801 10 ай бұрын
Basically can expend the universe massively with just a few units for tau
@D.S.lawbrd
@D.S.lawbrd 10 ай бұрын
Seems like GW doesn't need our money 😂 I am 100% with you guys. Would love to play official units not improvised and only in friendly games... 😢
@hrd2h1t
@hrd2h1t 10 ай бұрын
I think T'au Auxiliaries would be cool as the "weird alien soup" faction. I think most units being different species would be a super cool feel
@SamueL-td7fb
@SamueL-td7fb 10 ай бұрын
It would be great if you had a choice to play as full-on Mecha or Monster party with all kinds of critters
@SurnameName
@SurnameName 8 ай бұрын
i feel like you can have more than one "alien soup" faction. i always find it a bit silly when sci-fi goes "ok, there's one faction with a bunch of different species and then the rest are just blobs of only one species" like what star trek does with the federation. i guess the nids having different bioforms is a bit soupy. an all-new soup faction might cause some bloat, but there's room in existing factions to add a sprinkling of something else, like how sslyth are mercs for the drukhari... how about chaos getting some more xenos outside of just lore bits? it's not like only humans fall
@stratigangames508
@stratigangames508 8 ай бұрын
I would like them to be more like the 40k equivalent of the Covenant from Halo.
@Dogman262
@Dogman262 8 ай бұрын
@@SurnameNameNids having bioform variation is like a body having cell variation
@burnin8able
@burnin8able 7 ай бұрын
I think it would be super cool if Tau added a third war philosophy to branch off from the existing "patient hunter versus rapid strike force" two options and only very slight variations on going about doing that. A third one specifically about strength through cross-species cooperation, and being all about wambo-combos between different alien species with different specialties. Give the psychic space bears models, give them horrible crab aliens, hell, give them a unit that's a bunch of abhuman races that the imperium just said "nah, to mutated." and kicked them out, would be a great way of introducing beastmen or skaven-looking models that aren't just K-Sons Zangors
@anophelesnow3957
@anophelesnow3957 10 ай бұрын
100% agree that Elves need expanding with Ynarri as Imperial Agent equivalent and the expanded lore and (fractured) empire. From the lore - "Exodites are generally welcoming to other Eldar peoples. They have good relations with most Craftworld Eldar, particularly Alaitoc and are often visited and aided by Harlequin hosts." It is sensible and only right now to be able to put dinosaur-riding warriors fighting alongside the Clown Death Jester and Solitaire. Even Elf-dislikers like Brad can see the appeal of that imaginative story rather than yet another Primaris Marine model.
@aidenisakronk5953
@aidenisakronk5953 10 ай бұрын
I would love to see space dinosaurs
@anophelesnow3957
@anophelesnow3957 10 ай бұрын
@@cp1cupcake That's fine, and probably makes more sense in the lore as an auxiliary unit. So long as they can work with any other Elves is the main thing.
@scelonferdi
@scelonferdi 10 ай бұрын
​@@cp1cupcakelump together Corsairs, Harleys and Ynnari +whatever other weird thing you can find into some sort of agents of the Aeldari.
@sulphuric_glue4468
@sulphuric_glue4468 9 ай бұрын
Exodites can work as auxiliaries but I honestly really want them as a standalone faction. Exodites almost exclusively keep to themselves normally, but it wouldn't be hard to make up some new lore to give them an excuse to venture out from their planets en masse. My favourite scenario has always been a kind of Aeldari grand crusade to free Isha from captivity in Nurgle's garden, which the Exodites will be especially keen to do - it's obvious they would have the strongest connection with the goddess of life and fertility, being technologically primitive in all things but war. There's loads of different directions standalone Exodites can go in, as "primitivist space elves" can be taken in many different directions. The obvious one is to base them loosely off the wood elf archetype, maybe give them magical bows and stuff, but "low-tech elves" could also make them lean more towards fantasy high elves, especially given the presence of "dragon" riders (that is, dinosaur riders - I'll never understand why they made aeldari call dinosaurs "dragons") who could take up a niche as heavy shock cavalry.
@scelonferdi
@scelonferdi 9 ай бұрын
@@sulphuric_glue4468 Exodites have access to the webway right? So they can turn up where they want anyways. That being said, I don't imagine them medieval, but technologically minimalist in a survivalist/guerilla kind of way. (Basically Rangers meet Dinosaurs).
@aidantesdahl4283
@aidantesdahl4283 10 ай бұрын
The "Tau-ish" side could be more of the "up-and-coming species willing to collaborate to survive the big powerhouses." Votann would fit in as more of "nobody knows they're actually closer to the big ones than they let on."
@jellydamgood
@jellydamgood 10 ай бұрын
Assimilate or die 😊
@DukeCrux
@DukeCrux 10 ай бұрын
I think you're missing the "two birds, one stone" with Chaos. Introduce the Skaven AS the Chaos replacement for the Dark Mechanicus. Little greasy rats trading their labor in the eye of terror to CSM for shiny bits. Natural tinkerers and creators of weapons of absolute misery. Make them the primary worshippers of Vashtorr. His rise to Chaos God status is enough to drive the Skaven out from under the floor boards and begin scavenging for themselves, while also supporting various Chaos factions.
@Grubnar
@Grubnar 10 ай бұрын
What if Vashtorr IS the Horned Rat?
@zigzagkillah7666
@zigzagkillah7666 10 ай бұрын
BRILLIANT!
@BlareWolfgang
@BlareWolfgang 10 ай бұрын
This is such a good idea!
@gilbertgil9127
@gilbertgil9127 10 ай бұрын
I said this and then saw your comment. I whole-heartedly agree.
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 10 ай бұрын
Hang on my idea is kinda similar to this I gotta find it
@masakari3990
@masakari3990 10 ай бұрын
I want saurus in space, ideally in awesome space armor with awesome space weapons. I kind of hope that whatever faction we get next, they find some way to include zoats in it.
@captain_torket3254
@captain_torket3254 10 ай бұрын
I could imagine something the like of how Predators are portrayed. Aztec aesthetics with space lizardmen :)
@masakari3990
@masakari3990 10 ай бұрын
@@captain_torket3254 That would be awesome. A reptilian race with a strong warrior culture with more of an emphasis on honor. In the first horus heresy, they mention coming across a strong reptilian that had banned war on most of their planet. Maybe after being wiped out by the astartes, their numbers have recovered and their culture evolved over the last ten thousand years.
@nos2342
@nos2342 10 ай бұрын
Zoats!!!
@williammarshal2190
@williammarshal2190 10 ай бұрын
They could be part of a Tau auxiliaries army in a similar position to elites in the covenant.
@colinloewen2170
@colinloewen2170 10 ай бұрын
Literally Tarellians
@scerpalman
@scerpalman 10 ай бұрын
I would love some more non-humanoid factions, the Rak Gol being a good example because they already have a lot of lore in the setting. Make them weird and grimdark and properly ALIEN to humanity. Alternatively, the Hrud would be amazing, they are creatures that literally affect time and could have some really interesting gameplay as a result - instead of guns, you can age units in front of you until they crumble to dust, or have machines break down because they're internal components rust and fall apart.
@_thorkon
@_thorkon 10 ай бұрын
I would LOVE to see the Rak Gol get actual tabletop representation!
@Alino-
@Alino- 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'd sell a kidney for Rak'Gol. I was really surprised neither of our two hosts on this poorhammer podcast didn't know about them. They're like the most commonly wanted xenos army that somehow still don't have models and that have a ton of existing lore. And their empire makes up a sizeable portion of space. And lore wise they're elite enough to where we could finally have a xenos army that is super elite. They'd probably be between Grey Knights and Adeptus Custodes in how elite they are, I'd imagine.
@goldenhorde6944
@goldenhorde6944 3 ай бұрын
30K has an insane wealth of crazy xenos, including a lot fitting into the voidborne aspect he mentioned would be cool.
@Xynth25
@Xynth25 10 ай бұрын
Dark Mechanicus is the big one I see that to me would be a broadening of the CSM range instead of a unique faction. They'd be sharing the Daemon Engines and probably Cultists, and likely would have the same Daemon and Chaos Knight ally rules as CSM armies. I'm totally down for an army that mixes Knights and Daemon Engines, but I kind of think the DarkMech desire could be fulfilled by just adding a few awesome sculpts and letting CSM take AdMech units that could be converted and kitbashed to your heart's desires.
@IcoOst
@IcoOst 10 ай бұрын
I would combine dark mechanicus with chaos knights, and throw the skaven in there, I think they would make the most sense combines with dark mechanicus, maybe as foot soldiers (instead of skitarii) and some abominations, you can even have some AI shenanigans, since dark mechanicus would not care about the rules against AI, also, you can make an option and go into heretek, and you can combine them with necron tech, so you build a bridge between chaos and necron, going back to the time where necrons were actually chaos robots, I would love that, you basically have two dark admech factions, where you can choose
@Unknown-qj9sm
@Unknown-qj9sm 10 ай бұрын
Hard disagree. I hate that if I want to play chaos guard I have to play Chaos Space Marines. What if I want to get away from the faction mascots and play with a faction that has nothing to do with them? I would have to play anything else which means no cultists, daemon whines, etc for me.
@Xynth25
@Xynth25 10 ай бұрын
@@IcoOst That could work, but honestly in the lore the DarkMech aren't really as martially active as the AdMech. They're more of the Fabius Bile Mad Scientist types, and their armies are basically already represented in Chaos Knights and the Daemon Engines. That's why I think just a couple of sculpts for an HQ or two and an Elite option would go a long way to fulfilling what a lot of people want. I'm all for a total body horror DarkMech range but I think GW could honestly go lowish effort for a big win.
@Xynth25
@Xynth25 10 ай бұрын
@@Unknown-qj9sm There's no reason to take Traitor Guard out of CSM, the CSM army rule is perfect for traitor guard. All they have to do is let you build with X Points Imperial Guard units. If you want 0 other flavors of Chaos at all, you can literally just play Imperial Guard and put spikes on them.
@IcoOst
@IcoOst 10 ай бұрын
@@Xynth25 well, remember how the admech started, as part of the imperial army, I would basically make it like agents of the imperium but with solid army options maybe in combination with xenerites
@haobaichen3307
@haobaichen3307 10 ай бұрын
What if GW just gave troops to Knights? Like in lore the Knight houses have their household militias/planetary defense forces, so what if the knights just got those as models, and then operated as a kind of “big mechs with infantry support” army?
@themocaw
@themocaw 7 ай бұрын
They could import Cities of Sigmar models like they did with Chaos Daemons.
@mouthwide0pen
@mouthwide0pen 6 ай бұрын
​@@themocawThe difference is that Daemons don't need to have modern fucking firearms to make sense.
@Humuhumunukunukuapaa
@Humuhumunukunukuapaa 4 ай бұрын
So... old admech?
@goldenhorde6944
@goldenhorde6944 3 ай бұрын
They'd need to be on par with Secutarii in terms of effectiveness, probably even stronger and more intelligent to make them distinct. I was thinking lancers or men-at-arms with old Empire-style plate armor and pike-and-shot formations, except that they are also cyborgs linked into the Throne Mech of their lord and can use the Knight's targeting systems to scout out and eliminate key targets like what Tau have with the markerlights. That way you still need a knight to have a functioning army while also giving Knight World forces more depth rather than just a generic PDF that happens to randomly have access to this one super rare tech.
@DaytonaRoadster
@DaytonaRoadster 2 ай бұрын
...squires?
@colinjustice420
@colinjustice420 10 ай бұрын
I want to make sure everyone knows that the Tau empire has psychic panda bears. I want that model.
@plushie946
@plushie946 10 ай бұрын
do they starve to death if they dont have an endless supply of bamboo because they've evolved to exclusively eat one of the most nutritionally lacking and inefficient plants in existence?
@The_Lute777
@The_Lute777 10 ай бұрын
@@plushie946they are polar bears and not pandas so it would be easier to feed them considering that there is a nearly infinite amount of meat instead of a potentially exinct plant from terra
@peterclarke7240
@peterclarke7240 7 ай бұрын
Pandas don't just eat bamboo. It's just they prefer to because there's so much of it where they live and it grows faster than they can eat it, so it's almost zero-effort food. That's why it doesn't matter that it's so low in calories and nutrients. Pandas barely have to get out of bed in the morning 🤣
@cipher4e
@cipher4e 6 ай бұрын
The niccasar. I've wanted them for years
@couchgang5239
@couchgang5239 10 ай бұрын
Tyranids could really use Zoats as a genuine third faction. Like a Custodes-levek faction of biotech slaves that follow the swarms to cultivate the planets left behind to be eaten again. Imagine how sick that would be
@jeffreymonsell659
@jeffreymonsell659 10 ай бұрын
I didn't think Zoats were aligned with the Nids.
@tchynerd
@tchynerd 10 ай бұрын
​@@jeffreymonsell659Originally they are essentially the Diplomatic Corps of the Nids
@jeffreymonsell659
@jeffreymonsell659 10 ай бұрын
@@tchynerd Huh, I guess I need to learn more about them. I still mostly associate them with Wood Elves, which isn't even 40k.
@plushie946
@plushie946 10 ай бұрын
​​@@jeffreymonsell659yeah their 40K lore is unrecognizable. That said its also highly limited and almost all of it comes from the '80s. The Zoats were enslaved outside the galaxy and brutally bioengineered. They served as essentially the Tyranid "diplomats", scouting out high value worlds, spreading misinformation and discord, and it's even implied they would be the origin point of some Genestealer cult rebellions. Their lore would need to be reworked somewhat but there's very little of it so that would be easy. Unfortunately they're canon again with the Blackstone Fortress stuff and completely unrelated to the Nids as far as we currently know so, it's unlikely they'll come back as Nids auxiliaries
@dicorockhimself
@dicorockhimself 7 ай бұрын
Also we could give us some if the unigue faction units for the gene stealers sense their factions have a lot of potential!
@msmcl71
@msmcl71 10 ай бұрын
I’m so glad he’s talking about rak’gol, that’s a faction I’d love
@_Gongola
@_Gongola 10 ай бұрын
Saim Hann could easily be their own Blood Angels-tier sub-faction. they have a distinct playstyle and a separate culture to the other craftworlds in-lore. they have massive potential and GW sleeps on them
@ummdustry5718
@ummdustry5718 10 ай бұрын
I feel like re-factioning the harlequins ought to come first.... but yeah.
@Grubnar
@Grubnar 10 ай бұрын
Maybe you already know this, but in 3rd edition, there was a (thin) Codex: Craftworlds with special rules (and special characters) for each of the Eldar Craftworlds. They ranged from "meh" to "OP as fu*k!"
@Vorpal_Wit
@Vorpal_Wit 10 ай бұрын
I loved me some 3rd Edition Craftworld Codex Jetbikers. The greatest model never made was a Saim Hann War Chief on Vyper-based War Chariot.
@SamueL-td7fb
@SamueL-td7fb 10 ай бұрын
You could say that of almost every Craftworld
@ummdustry5718
@ummdustry5718 10 ай бұрын
@@SamueL-td7fb yes
@VaSoapman
@VaSoapman 10 ай бұрын
I think that one of the cooler parts of 40k that is often forgotten about is that it is a galactic-scale Post-Apocalypse setting. It is also a galactic-scale PRE-Apocalypse setting.
@ummdustry5718
@ummdustry5718 10 ай бұрын
Aren't all settings pre-apocalyptic? Perhaps not imminently so, but definately at some point...
@jellydamgood
@jellydamgood 10 ай бұрын
There's already been a couple, and now another one is coming. Like hobbits and their meals.
@MultiKarmacharger
@MultiKarmacharger 10 ай бұрын
Gue'Vasa (Humans working for Tau) could be a cool army in the Tau section.
@hendrikrasmus
@hendrikrasmus 10 ай бұрын
A Tau faction of humans would be such a let down. We have all the humans we need in the imperium.
@alexanderfurrows7946
@alexanderfurrows7946 10 ай бұрын
I don’t think a whole faction for human Tau would be necessary or even that good (humans have so many armies already) - but I 100% agree that a Gue’Vasa unit would be huge on tabletop (I say that with a Gue’Vasa kitbash in the works)
@chandlerpearce6213
@chandlerpearce6213 10 ай бұрын
I think a detachment with the ability to Soup guard, and then one Auxillary Gue’Vasa unit
@plushie946
@plushie946 10 ай бұрын
Frankly I just want an auxiliary subfaction with rules for a dozen or more species and weird things. Models or not tbh. Gue'vesa are trivially easy to kitbash anyways and I think encouraging that side of the hobby like they do for Orks would be good (but please dear god make it economically viable without having to search for lots of random parts online). I think people get too tunnel-visioned here, but considering the Tau are pretty undeniably the most diverse faction in 40K we need a way to represent that on the tabletop (which currently is the opposite of the case given how out of meta and interest Kroot are)
@chandlerpearce6213
@chandlerpearce6213 10 ай бұрын
@@plushie946 they either need to do that, or make a different covenant style faction. It’s the one big thing missing in 40k
@joshfase9324
@joshfase9324 10 ай бұрын
When I first got into the game at the beginning of 9E, I almost started with Tau after hearing about all of the auxiliary species that they recruited. The idea of playing “the Covenant” in Warhammer is amazing. The whole mecha battle-suit thing doesn’t appeal to me though, so I passed and decided on 1k Sons instead. Now I have custom 3D-printed chaos spawn and a Mutalith vortex beast with dusty marines and bird goats with the ability to soup in lovecraftian daemons. Diverse enough for me.
@HauntedCorpseGaming
@HauntedCorpseGaming 10 ай бұрын
22:00 Legit, would be awesome to have a Grot only force.
@vicio19995
@vicio19995 10 ай бұрын
their conga tactis will be unsstopable
@B.A.N848
@B.A.N848 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to see Exodites (love to see space dinosaurs), Dark Admech and new giants factions to be a kind of xenos knights but just a race of giants would be interesting.
@BARMN89
@BARMN89 10 ай бұрын
I dream of a world where Wraithknights could be balanced as both for craftworlds, and at the knights level
@B.A.N848
@B.A.N848 10 ай бұрын
@@BARMN89 I respect this dream
@richardpearce234
@richardpearce234 10 ай бұрын
For the Tau our hosts forgot the pancake bears. The Nicassar technically did have a model, albeit only in Battlefleet Gothic.
@anvos658
@anvos658 4 ай бұрын
To be fair I don't think most Alien Allies are numerous enough to make sense as independent factions, so I'd more see them being one big menagerie faction that plays the more infantry focused role to the Tau mech/battlesuit focus.
@Darthlicious
@Darthlicious 10 ай бұрын
They tried to do skaven with the Hrud, but didnt think it really qualified for a full army if I remember correctly. Of course now hrud have drifted far enough from those origins that I think they'd be a neat addition.
@HeinousinAppearance
@HeinousinAppearance 10 ай бұрын
I've always wanted "Evil Intelligent Space Dragons".
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 10 ай бұрын
GW has never done dragons well, in my opinion. They always dilute them, by making them adjunct units to some other army. Whether it's mounts in High Elves or Stormcast Eternals, or in the Helldrake in CSM. Dragons should be their own faction. Glorious and terrible and inexorable as the tide. Intelligent and magical in their own right. If they work with other creatures, it's as masters to armies of slaves. Dragons should be no one's servants.
@Draxynnic
@Draxynnic 10 ай бұрын
@@Bluecho4 Cathay in TWW3. Also, as a conspiracy theory to consider: who is REALLY in charge in Azyr? Most mortals think it's Sigmar, but maybe Dracothian rescued him (and the Seraphon) because the godbeast of the magic of prophecy was picking out his instruments. There's also a degree to which some Tyranid bioforms look and can be made to feel a bit dragonish.
@firetarrasque4667
@firetarrasque4667 11 күн бұрын
Space Dragons And Minions are probably #1 on my list of factions that would fit into 40k. They cover a clear fantasy trope that can be easily placed into a scifi context, they’re ripe for the hyper-gothic aesthetic a lot of 40k has going on, they’re intuitive to make rules for… I’d fuckin kill for some dragons.
@ryanchatel3675
@ryanchatel3675 10 ай бұрын
I think a decent option for votann would be to allow soup of either tau or imperium. Allow maybe 1/4 of your army to be that but make it so you can only take one or other faction. That way no guard working with battlesuits.
@Kasandra_
@Kasandra_ 10 ай бұрын
I was *this* close to making a Rak'Gol kill team. I really love their design, 40k could really use a larger variety of less humanoidal aliens. Lore-wise, they're basically a violent piratical race less advanced than humanity (they basically barely discovered warp drives), it's either said or strongly implied they are kinda like ants with queens and castes (but no hive mind) and they love them some radiation and crude bionics. Definitely not tau empire material, I'd say their faction pitch would be "orks if 40k was an amnesia-style horror game".
@math925
@math925 10 ай бұрын
I really like your guys' content, your chemistry and your shared love of 40k is fantastic. I liked the inclusion of Erik's Jazz Tangent. I'm mostly commenting to boost your engagement metrics. Good work, boys.
@Walpurgisnackt
@Walpurgisnackt 10 ай бұрын
The skaven equivalent are called the Hrud ANd yeah I really want Tau and Eldar to lean into the multifaceted parts of their design too
@admirall.ackbar
@admirall.ackbar 10 ай бұрын
I feel like Genestealers are the 40k version of Skaven. I know thematically they don't seem so. They don't have the clans and the history. But mechanically, I feel like they are similar, and could be fleshed out more to be like Skaven. The creeping enemy that rises from the sewers. The backstabbing betrayers. But also a horde that comes from nowhere.
@jokerswild2380
@jokerswild2380 7 ай бұрын
Yes, the psychic bug cult definitely equates to hilariously incompetent and selfish rat people.
@cipher4e
@cipher4e 6 ай бұрын
Cheese stealer cult
@rougen1212
@rougen1212 10 ай бұрын
They could potentially do an alliance of races the imperium thought they had wiped out during 30k that have had time to recover becoming auxiliary for the tau, I like the idea of the arachnids from murder being on the tabletop.
@brianthurlow1067
@brianthurlow1067 10 ай бұрын
I could see the Dark Mechanicus as the stand-in for Skaven. Have their tech be really strong but with a chance of going haywire and hurt your units or have a bunch of cheap and ueseless techthralls to hold the enemy down while some crazy techpriest throws phosphex on them. Just anything other than "admech but with spikes" that we tend to get.
@pat0652
@pat0652 10 ай бұрын
The first two are musts, but given how complicated the game is, the rest are very optional: 1. Renegades and Heretics...Forge World even still has a section for it. Although I'd be ok with them being some kind of subfaction in CSM as long as they were fleshed out and had their own Stegs, AT 70 and 83 tanks from the Sabbat World books. Folks who had converted their Leman Russes and such could proxy them as AT70 and 83 variants. 2. Dark Mecanicum, although again, I'd be ok if they came out as part of Renegades and Heretics (Negavolt Cultists!) 3. Barghesi or Rak'Gol. 4. Whatever the heck is in the Ghoul Stars. 5. Heavily fleshed out Sslyth within Drukari. 6. Men of Iron remanent mixed with Rouge Tau AI 7. Space Rats 8. Slann Remenant
@cassetticons4651
@cassetticons4651 10 ай бұрын
Mantic games as the Verr-Myn, who are skaven in space for their Firefight game. They're pretty fun, with kits that work for both their sci-fi and fantasy range.
@Triptides77
@Triptides77 10 ай бұрын
I love that you used Chika as the image for chaos
@thewarriorofboros
@thewarriorofboros 10 ай бұрын
Votann and Tau allying with each other and slingshotting both of their tech forward exponentially would be sick as fuck
@aiken2258
@aiken2258 10 ай бұрын
My plan for importing Skaven into 40k is just to kitbash and play them as GSC. They already have exactly the right kind of army rules and units that it's just a cast of reflavouring. Neophytes? Clan Rats. Acolytes/Metamorphs? Stormvermin. Aberrants? Rat Ogres. Jackals? Clanrats on Motorcycles. Characters can all interchangeably be thought of as Grey Seers, Warlock Engineers or Warlords. Vehicles can just stay the same but with visual alterations. In fact I think the existence of GSC and their flavour makes Skaven quite unlikely as a new faction, because they'd have the same gameplay identity.
@thepoorhammerpodcast
@thepoorhammerpodcast 10 ай бұрын
Cheesestealer Cults! It was one of my earlier 3D printing ideas that got lost to other projects. I'm going a different way with my GSC army I'll be making, but I love the Skaven route, they have so many 1 for 1 equivalents between their range and GSC.
@aiken2258
@aiken2258 10 ай бұрын
​@@thepoorhammerpodcast It's something I'm looking to start at the back end of this year probably. Pick up a GSC Combat Patrol, some Stormvermin, some characters and then just play around and see what sticks. Though I have a gut feeling that with the Seraphon range refresh, Skaven might soon follow. The current Clanrat kit is useless for kitbash purposes and your options for characters on foot are very limited, so that would be a game-changer for my plans if it happens.
@jeffreymonsell659
@jeffreymonsell659 10 ай бұрын
Regarding Chaos, I like how the factions are divided in Total War Warhammer 3. You have each monogod faction with a combo of daemons and mortals, there's a mortal Chaos undivided, and then there's a daemon Chaos undivided. I'd love to see Beastmen added as another Chaos faction, or at least have their models within CSM expanded. You just gotta add some upgrade sprues for those fantasy goats.
@powerwolfen6114
@powerwolfen6114 10 ай бұрын
They could give Harlequins some dinosaurs as circus animals
@anophelesnow3957
@anophelesnow3957 10 ай бұрын
And Wraithbone fiery hoops to jump through.
@addybob
@addybob 10 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a full beastmen 40k range. It would be a good way make use of all the extra Tzaangors running around, too.
@jeffreymonsell659
@jeffreymonsell659 10 ай бұрын
Yes! They could have a pretty solid starting point just doing upgrade sprues for AoS units.
@plushie946
@plushie946 10 ай бұрын
Me too, but unfortunately they kinda kneecapped them in the lore. They used to be abhumans that were notably poorly treated and hated by humans to the point they often fled to become mercenaries or fell to chaos. Now they're just a generic chaos mutation which is way less interesting imo. Then again they kinda kneecapped them in Fantasy lore too, they used to have a lot more freewill and more of a tribal and nomadic culture and then GW just made them, again, generic chaos mobs of mindless barbarians
@marvalice3455
@marvalice3455 9 ай бұрын
​@@plushie946this works out perfectly, because I think the *old* lore is incredibly boring!
@007JackBourne
@007JackBourne 7 ай бұрын
I really liked them being part of the imperium, I just wish they were cooler, like let them help bridge the gap between sm and guard and lore wise letting everyone hate it
@speaktome4778
@speaktome4778 10 ай бұрын
The Jazz Tangent with Eric was a great new segment for the show. I've been very very curious about that dynamic after you lifted the curtain a bit last week. Brad's frustration was palpable! 😂
@kieran118
@kieran118 10 ай бұрын
Just getting into the hobby and I would love to build a Tau army with battlesuits + non-Tau auxiliaries
@japhettheprophet4619
@japhettheprophet4619 10 ай бұрын
Something I like about the old art for aeldari is they look like fae and fair folk, appearing from space and doing there thing. Aeldari also dips into samurai aspects with war banners and hyper specialized soldiers with a culture based on learning as much as you can for every job as a warriors. Going in either direction for aeldari would hard solidify themselves fully as a different culture to the imperium entirely along with establish them as a fully fleshed out faction
@veedros
@veedros 10 ай бұрын
The tau have an auxilarry named "tarelians" that are basically lizardmen. So if you do another votann you could use tbat to bring lizard people into 40k. Also on the rak'gol even if we can't get a full army for them i would love to see minis for them via kill team or some boxed game.
@andreaven2287
@andreaven2287 10 ай бұрын
Each time I think about how to insert Skavens inton 40k I reflec on what makes the Skavens cool in the first place. The fact is, Skavens are cool -amongs other things - because of the warp infuse tech they got. If you want to do that in 40k, the rats mens must be fucking advanced... I think that core element of "OP tech compare to everyone else" is already covered by the Necron. If you put the Skavens like they are in Old World with fucked up tech and messy aesthetic, you just got Orks with Rats... That's a pickle..
@jeffreymonsell659
@jeffreymonsell659 10 ай бұрын
Also, the secret underground society thing is already covered by Genestealer Cults and Chaos cults. But I'd still really like them to find a niche for space Skaven.
@Draxynnic
@Draxynnic 10 ай бұрын
Personally, I have a suspicion that's why skaven didn't make the transition - Orks already have the 'crazy, unreliable tech' angle, the Aeldari have reliable warp-based weapons, the Drukhari Haemonculi make monstrosities, and so on. One of the things in my mental map for skaven, however, is "Bond villain" - that might be something that could be played up, and having some bits and pieces that are stolen from other races would fit that as long as the final product has its own identity.
@Epsilvonic
@Epsilvonic 10 ай бұрын
For Adding Chaos to Chaos, I feel like a lot of races like the Rak’gol or the Enslavers feel too much like one-off monsters like the Ambulls. Maybe if GW made game mechanics to incorporate a PvPvE where monsters like this occupy the mid-field, then we’d see em
@lordcastellan4735
@lordcastellan4735 10 ай бұрын
I like the idea of a race spawned from Tau AI. Tau have begun to be noticed by chaos, so their AI should turn on them. They're not as advanced as humanity during the dark age of technology, so they couldn't eliminate their AI. They're in a stalemate with their machines. It could be a great way to flesh out Tau lore. They were a naive younger race, but have begun learning that the Imperium might be right about a couple things. They already have an entire expansion that's aware of daemons and that their client races can be possessed. Make their AI rebel and now you have a faction that will only use drones controlled by other people.
@archon458
@archon458 10 ай бұрын
Quick note on Rak'Gol, they actually have a small reference in Black Stone Fortress. There's a pistol equipment named after them. Personally, I'd be fine with them added onto chaos as another force to add some xeno elements to them. After we get chaos guard and dark mech, I'd love to see the chaos auxiliary units, including the chaos striking scorpions that fell to the dark powers long ago.
@keox1405
@keox1405 10 ай бұрын
I kind of miss a mineral/rock/silicon race thats completly different I feel thats something that would be very interesting
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 10 ай бұрын
Necrons are right there
@I3oo1ve
@I3oo1ve 10 ай бұрын
On balancing Knights as a stand-alone faction. The appeal is obviously big robot leading smaller robots. So, what if even smaller robots that function as infantry equivalents. They could be some mechanical thing that's an obvious stand-in for knights on horses maybe around the size of a dreadnought.
@redpandapizza8514
@redpandapizza8514 10 ай бұрын
I really share your opinions, especially on the Tau. But I would ad for a little bit of Lovecravetian spa e horror the Slaught ( Wormpeople) maybe as a side faction one the Drukhari
@deadgothicstar
@deadgothicstar 10 ай бұрын
Skaven, lizardman (dinosaur tanks), undead (vampire, ghost, ghoulish and things), beastmen (choas and not choas), wood eldar (ents and forest beasts), water based faction, choas xenos, octopus xenos. There's many more possibilities for new army's.
@amycox7508
@amycox7508 4 ай бұрын
14:51 I think fundamentally the Votann (aka: Ancestor cores) themselves prevent them from joining with the Tau in any meaningful way. Because the Ancestor cores lead the LoV and would prevent the leagues from joining the greater good in any meaningful way. Also important side notes: 1: the LoV have ai called Ironkin, fully sentient ai that are treated as equals. 2: the LoV as a faction is larger than the Tau and aldari in lore. They mention that there actually a pretty big faction numbers wise.
@TheForceApplied
@TheForceApplied 4 ай бұрын
The T'au'vesa Coalition ("T'au Helpers" for a more distinct name than T'au Empire) is probably GW's biggest missed opportunity so far. They really turned in their homework half finished with the T'au auxiliaries. Kroot has the most work done in them, but even with Forge World, they lack the AP to get a functional army at the moment. The Vespid are the chitinous, bug people that aren't Tyranid... and they got one unit and have been basically forgotten ever since. The Gue'vesa human auxiliaries got an obscure footnote rule to add some guardsmen to your army. I'd still love some rules/model support for a drone-centric army, and they could develop more of the "maybe the T'au are in the early stages of AI sentience and revolt that the Imperium experienced," but that requires thinking about lore with more maturity than the bulk of their writing team can handle. Way to go, GW. Just focus on the literal most boring Space Marines and Chaos forever instead of the hint of something interesting. Eldar have potential to be more than one-note like they are right now. I agree they are the other strongest candidate for major empire, especially if they push into Fae territory. Lots of material to pull from. Anyways, great video and I agree with basically everything you guys brought up. I'll just have to make my own fan-codex in the meantime, because I won't hold my breath that GW will make actually bold decisions with their lore 😢.
@toniltadara9384
@toniltadara9384 10 ай бұрын
You could add Zoats to Tau as an Auxiliary melee/close range support.
@ratman505
@ratman505 10 ай бұрын
What I think we need is non-Space Marine Chaos. I love Chaos and I love Space Marines, don't get me wrong here. But having Human, Eldar, Beastman or Skaven Chaos _characters_ - especially psykers - seems so obvious to me. I also think that xeno mercenaries should be more common overall. Add a bunch of interspecies diplomacy to the lore, make mercenaries "their own thing" of which everyone may take some but the Tau are more efficient at it, e.g. giving their battleforged buffs to the mercenaries as well. Flavor kept, horizon broadened
@Unknown-qj9sm
@Unknown-qj9sm 10 ай бұрын
I agree, it’s so weird chaos Xenos don’t exist on tabletop. For Eldar, the path book has some Drukhari who worships Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch respectively. There a whole bunch of independent Xenos that do. Chaos dwarves feels like a matter of time. Tyranids have been corrupted in lore by Nurgle once in the middle of space to my knowledge after some Tyranids were somehow cutoff from the hive mind. Farsight is one step away from turning Khorne every other Sunday. Etc, etc.
@peenwienerstein2
@peenwienerstein2 10 ай бұрын
More non-faction aligned daemons would be cool
@Unknown-qj9sm
@Unknown-qj9sm 10 ай бұрын
@@peenwienerstein2 Undivided daemon are great, but what we really need in 40k more minor chaos gods. Minor aspects of Vashtor if he ascends, Malal does exist I cannot be silenced. Maybe Hashut?
@gamingborger
@gamingborger 10 ай бұрын
the vespid deserve way more units in the tau. they're way too cool have just the one model
@DominatorLegend
@DominatorLegend 10 ай бұрын
T'au and Votann can be mixed through the Demiurgs (those are the auxiliaries Brad mentioned) and have something like CSM and the dedicated Chaos legions where each have their own exclusive models but both can use the more basic/generic/whatever units and such.
@anothergalaxy799
@anothergalaxy799 10 ай бұрын
We already have off-shoots of Kyn in Necromunda, why not a group in Tau space?
@mikoajpietrych6168
@mikoajpietrych6168 10 ай бұрын
Demiurgs were already confirmed to be Votann (they sold Tau the ion tech).
@hayhay2640
@hayhay2640 10 ай бұрын
Although you mentioned mechanicus and knights co-operation. But as well the militias and house hold gaurd who fight along knights. A mix of gaurd and scions maybe heavy/lighter infantry options with limited vehicles above transports but maily focussed on support roles for knights.
@darnokx9277
@darnokx9277 10 ай бұрын
Orks could easily be expanded on more than "just" more Grot varieties and more Beastsnagga stuff. There is a whole bunch of Ork Clans that all could be given either upgrade sprue(s) and/or even dedicated kits. As a mainline range, Orks feel pretty complete already, so branching out into different subthemes would be a logical way to go.
@anothergalaxy799
@anothergalaxy799 10 ай бұрын
They should lean into their fungus nature more, I mean, they're giant mushroom guys.
@Aluc1d
@Aluc1d 10 ай бұрын
I’m all for fleshing out the flavors of Eldar but it has always been inconsistent on how many there actually are. There are only so many literal craft worlds and admittedly I’m not a lore master but they are always referred to as a dying race. They make it sound like the loss of a single aspect warrior to be a crippling blow. Brad mentioned they are the same size as Necrons but I never got that from what little lore I’ve read. Basically because any planet could secretly be a tomb world you can have a couple billion more Necrons.
@christianschlogl6295
@christianschlogl6295 10 ай бұрын
I read a bit about the Rak'Gol, and they would never fit into Tau. They have worse tech then the humans, but are described to be much more brutal. Also noone ever found out were they came from, and noone managed to translate their language. So all in all melle focused like Nyds but not nyds cuz they use actual ships and weapons. I got the idea that one could kinda spin the narrative that some ald enemies of mankind, maybe some surving Man of Iron, decided to be like the old ones and bioengineer a race to fight the humans or something and that that would be their origin story.
@gore6065
@gore6065 10 ай бұрын
i'll probably be dead before mr. James workshop rolls out most of these improvements and expansions lol
@patrickb6124
@patrickb6124 10 ай бұрын
Skaven tech could definitely be represented in dark mechanicum, with it blowing up all the time.
@hendrikrasmus
@hendrikrasmus 10 ай бұрын
If we got a dark mechanicum and it turned out to be mostly skaven, I would be so down
@Gunthersby
@Gunthersby 10 ай бұрын
You could do just about anything with a deep void human faction, maybe driven back towards imperial space by the tyranids? There's a lot of xeno races driven to near extinction by the imperium, many become mercs, if the tau keep being so limited on the tabletop with their auxiliary options then maybe an actual standalone alien mercenary faction would be cool?
@viorp5267
@viorp5267 10 ай бұрын
I think T'au needs a 2nd army. Something like Auxilla legions. There's 11 canon auxillary species in the T'au empire and 2 got models. 6:57 Always thought it'd make sense that various 'pirate subfactions' should be allowed to ally each other on the tabletop. It's iffy in the lore, but it just seems fun to think some Freebotaz, Corssairs and human prirates meet up and decide to raid some massive trasport together because then they can pull it off.
@anophelesnow3957
@anophelesnow3957 10 ай бұрын
I like your pirate force, and it is maybe lore-doable. Get a Rogue Trader set, that Elucidian Starstrider box. This is the Rogue Trader command and they have gone completely off-piste, very freestyle. We already have precedent for Eldar Rangers joining up, as in Blackstone Fortress, and it isn't so odd anyway, so that brings the Corsairs in. Freebootaz are there for a laugh and the cash. Not all of it will mesh, but there is a coherent story and narrative army there.
@michaelberg9344
@michaelberg9344 10 ай бұрын
Not really connected to the episode but I cannot say how thankful I am for this content! Just got into the hobby and your content has been a great way to learn more about the game!
@Telmach
@Telmach 10 ай бұрын
I want a xenos chaos faction from the Ghoul Stars.
@Kaldris
@Kaldris 10 ай бұрын
A thought to expand on the Necron / Ork standalone; I think those two together could be their own tier. Call it Order & Chaos. Two factions ever vying for position over one another. One numerous and plentiful beyond belief with a love for violence. The other immortal, undying with a pacing the eschews mortal lifetimes. Each places the other in 'check', there's tons of Necron based lore about the Orks constantly ruining and disrupting their plans, while other races seem to be simply swept to the side by the Necrons.
@luckiller019
@luckiller019 10 ай бұрын
>lesser xenos auxillary army Either go full 40k:Dogs of War, ditch Tau internal balanc around shooting to make their auxillary work (on the bright side, melee battlesuit) or just make Old ones return. Psyker mega brain frogs who are using lesser xenos auxillary as their meatshield EDIT: 'Old folklore?' Guys this is how we had ended up with Fimir. You should really learn thing or two about history development of WF
@baneofbalor5881
@baneofbalor5881 10 ай бұрын
The Rok'Gol could make for a really imterseting counterbalance to the Tyrannids. Like maybe they arrived in the Milky Way from another galaxy that had been devoured by the swarm and were forced to sacrifice their "humanity" to survive against the tyranids. They would be generally hostile, but drop everything to fight tyranids. Kind of like the Seraphon in AoS do against the forces of chaos.
@IcaroMendonca
@IcaroMendonca 10 ай бұрын
I love the edit for Eric's tangent.
@benionin7260
@benionin7260 10 ай бұрын
Give me more Blackstone Constructs like the Spindle Drones, GW. It is incredible, mind-boggling, that elves on dinosaurs still aren't a thing in-game when they're so very cool in-lore. I would buy that army so fast.
@amycox7508
@amycox7508 6 ай бұрын
This has to be the most they’ve talked about votann, and I’m here for it! Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe in lore votann taught tau to use ion weaponry.
@cormoranoimperatore8413
@cormoranoimperatore8413 10 ай бұрын
As a Necron player I would love to see some love for dinasties outside of the sautehk one (and I guess the szarekhan one although it’s only the silent king), kinda like space marines chapters, although then you’d have to do that for different cults of the T’au or something as well
@jeremyedwards4426
@jeremyedwards4426 10 ай бұрын
In no particular order, Exodites, Kroot, Skaven , flesh out Knights with like household troops,and sisters of Silence with more than 4 selections. Random lesser races could be rolled together: Rak guhl, slith, Fra’al, as like void raiders or something. Votann could gain the demiurge which were basically nomadic Votann, and add Ai robots to the faction.
@jeremyedwards4426
@jeremyedwards4426 10 ай бұрын
I would also love to see the old ones make a comeback space lizards and dinosaurs
@justsomedude3762
@justsomedude3762 10 ай бұрын
My understanding about Rak’Gol is that they are a predatory race of Xenos who hunt human ships and other races for weapons, machines, and sport
@aaronj235
@aaronj235 3 ай бұрын
Skaven could just be a chaos version of Ad Mech.
@frozngrildtoast4665
@frozngrildtoast4665 10 ай бұрын
Something I would love is some sort of Ghoul Stars faction
@gribblegreeble
@gribblegreeble 10 ай бұрын
Here’s a revised four pillars, each with 4 -5 factions: 1) Imperium: Space Marines (inc. GK, Templars, Deathwatch, Custodes), Sororitas / Agents of the Imperium, Astra Militarum, and Ad Mech with Imperial Knights Not really changing anything except what was said about giving giant robots to Ad Mech, which makes sense. Any odds and ends can be expanded through Imperium agents - Rogue Traders, Inquisition, etc. 2) Chaos: CSM (undivided plus DG, EG, WB, TS), Chaos Daemons, Dark Ad Mech with Chaos Knights, Chaos Beasts, and Chaos followers Following suit with Chaos Knights joining Ad Mech siblings, there’s a expansion there. The new Beast faction is the Skaven plus the classic beastmen (who just returned in KT), while Chaos followers army are cultists and traitor guard, though you can crossover beastmen to the followers army or send some cultists and guard to back those rats…either can play separate as animal men or humans, or mixed up. 3) Xenos aligned: Aeldari, Harlequins, Exodites, Votann, Tau with Slann Dark elves are dicks, and are not going to play nice with anyone, so they’re out - Eldar are just not dense enough to be their own pillar. But you get Exodites to beef up the space elves side, so there you go. Votann, like the Eldar are a semi tolerable alien so they slot in well, and Tau get to be the catch-all for xenos that area not pure evil. And you get to introduce space lizard Slann as descended from the Old Ones…Slann gave the Tau the evolutionary and informational bump to rapidly progress, and you can run them on their own or as soup with them, like an expanded Kroot force or Vespids, Zoats, and any other cooperative species. 4) Xenos enemies: Orks, Necrons, Tyranids, GSC, Drukhari Bad aliens, plain and simple An expanded Grots army that can run on it’s own or link up to their bigger green brothers like Tyranids and GSC would be great. Any other nasty species you want to add, this is where they’d go. If you really need to make more pillars, split into 8 there’s: 1) Space Marines 2) Imperium (Ad Mech/Knights, Sister/Agents, Astra Militarum) 3) CSM with Dark Ad Mech / Knight 4) Chaos Daemons with Beasts and followers 5) Eldar (all but dark elves) 6) Xenos (Tau - Slann, Votann) 7) Xeno Hordes (Ork, Necron, Drukhari) 8) Xenos Invaders (Tyranids, GSC)
@ImaginaryNumb3r
@ImaginaryNumb3r 10 ай бұрын
Chaos factions are essentially a 3x5 matrix: Rows: 4 Gods + Undivided Columns: Marines, Demons, Cannon Fodder + Whatever Vashtorr is up to.
@timunderbakke8756
@timunderbakke8756 10 ай бұрын
This just in - if we actually get Exodites as a playable faction, im building an elf army.
@gustavogarcia8783
@gustavogarcia8783 10 ай бұрын
This seems like a great idea!! As a guy who just got into 40k, I have no idea if GW would do something like that, be it in the near or far future
@jasonbaxter3658
@jasonbaxter3658 10 ай бұрын
I'd love to see some big monsters added into the orks for a bit of xenos variety.
@magnus0017
@magnus0017 10 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say, the thumbnail is solid; took me too long to get it, but much appreciated. ^_^
@TheNaturalnuke
@TheNaturalnuke 8 ай бұрын
I would love the Slaughth getting a fleshed out faction, maggot men who rule mostly by subterfuge but have tech that can melt a terminator sounds fucking metal.
@strategossable1366
@strategossable1366 Ай бұрын
Part of the reason that I prefer the xenos armies to the imperium or chaos ones is for the opposite reason to why you want to split up the xenos armies - I like how T'au have a mixture of elite mechs with regular infantry and lighter auxiliaries (in theory at least), it gives the army more flavour and depth than if you just created 3 one-note armies by splitting T'au up.
@Zaubza
@Zaubza 10 ай бұрын
Could you guys go into more detail as to why allies do not work mechanically? Also Skaven should totally be the 5th chaos faction worshiping the Great Horned Rat that comes directly from AoS through them opening some horrific one way portal to 40k. It'd piss a bunch of people off, but it would so super cool and thematic for Skaven!
@tecccow99
@tecccow99 10 ай бұрын
I’m listening to you talking about deleting Knights while painting a knight 💀
@azurewraith2585
@azurewraith2585 10 ай бұрын
This would be an obscure one but I’d love to see the rangdan return. They were a 30k race that could mind control other races and gave the imperium a run for their money so it would be cool if they returned in full force or if it turned out they were the puppet masters of a faction like the tau
@matthiasoc7141
@matthiasoc7141 10 ай бұрын
Enslavers were still their own warp-thing in the 40k era in the lore up until... 5th ed(? I think). Don't know if they've been explicitly written out of cannon as of yet. They were one of the big reasons for the Black Ships, as an Enslaver incursion one of the very common nasty ends untrained psykers could cause (by being turned *physically* into a gate the Enslavers use to enter real-space).
@philipbowles5397
@philipbowles5397 10 ай бұрын
Enslavers are still in lore but would really not work as an army - they're meant to be a singular type of entity that represents an existential threat to psychic races (and would probably not have a good time against Tau or Necrons), not an actual civilisation or society that has armies.
@matthiasoc7141
@matthiasoc7141 10 ай бұрын
@@philipbowles5397 true, but I wasn't referring to them being an army, just them being called out as proto-demons; they're more than just that. As for Tau and Necrons having an easy time against them, they were the reason the Necrons took a long nap, because their constant incursions into real-space (thanks to the Slann's numerous cheaply knocked out and barely trained psychic warrior races) were tearing down the barrier between warp- and real-space. A proper Enslaver incursion is a threat to anyone, and the current timeline has *lots* of parallels to the last time they almost overran the galaxy.
@icycoatl3185
@icycoatl3185 10 ай бұрын
I kind of want ynnari wraithguards equipped with nasty harlequin and drukhari poison/hallucinogen sprayers, they could be nicely backed by eldar deathcultish melee. Also, Yu’vath could be cool. Their… ‘servant’ races could easily go for the original tyranid idea where they were supposed to be all essentially individual species co-opted into the hive mind, as opposed to the more modern all their own thing just specialized bioengineered with a bit of stolen dna in there. Could be a glorious mixed bag with a nice top coat of chaos to tie it together.
@basstedson
@basstedson 8 ай бұрын
For flesh them out in lore read, ' have Rob Rath' write them a book. The man is a proper historian and it shows.
@luketfer
@luketfer 10 ай бұрын
This is the one thing that really annoyed me about Tau, when they initially released I thought they were going to go the full Covenant route with the main Tau options being Battlesuits and Fire warriors but then expanded out with a ton of Auxillary units, the Vespids and the Kroot were the start of that but then GW proceeded to almost completely ditch that side of them when they were 'redeveloped' into the T'au with only those two left as sort of holdovers from the original idea. I get the feeling it was the backlash because the Tau weren't 'grimdark' enough and a Covenant/Star Trek style alliance of races fighting to survive in a hostile universe was seen as not Grimderp enough for the fan wankery on 4chan (remember these were the assholes loudly going "I don't want anime in MY 40k" etc.) I mean how cool would it have been to get Tarellians (aka Dog Soldiers aka 40k Kobolds since they're "small reptillian xenos with dog like snouts, hence their nickname" which is pretty much 5e D&D Kobolds) as your scouting and skirmishing unit, the vespids as your big mobility assault marine option, the Kroot as your cheaper but not quite as good rank and file meant for screening and fighting in close combat, the big bear people as your heavily armored melee heavy hitters kind of like Terminators or Exosuits and so on. Heck there's even points where in the novels Space Marines suddenly find themselves fighting other Marines when in a war with the Tau and it turns out that they're just weapons test dummies outfitted with marine armor and enough intelligence to be deployed as a fighting troop meaning you could even have a full battlesuit and robot themed army if they bought in basic AI units as options to fill out the missing areas of the T'au or to use in place of the minor Xenos alliance options. You could have the army lean, as suggested in the video, two or even three ways depending on build choice. Go full Advent from Xcom2 style alliance is what I'm getting at.
@tarektechmarine8209
@tarektechmarine8209 10 ай бұрын
I think they ditched it because there's too many armies when doing something like tau, why do you think they made primaris just everything, just to be lazy, same with the tau. In lore the tau themselves would've never survived among many other races and that anything that did survive the crusades were nothing more than single cell organisms, so they'd never be 'GOOD' like YOU want in any situation unless they had all that free space to expand and any they meet are easy to totally brainwash. The greater good is for NO other species han the tau themselves, imagine thinking a human or any other race will have the same power as an ethereal and somehow not having a war because tau are just so much better than humans.
@theshinjispecial9506
@theshinjispecial9506 10 ай бұрын
I think it would be cool to see tau battle suits that are designed specifically for the non-tau races. like a battle suit designed for kroot or Vespids.
@ryandinkelacker8906
@ryandinkelacker8906 10 ай бұрын
The return of the rangdan would be cool. maybe they could have some auxiliaries like the hrud, rak gol, q'rol, sluagth, and cypher fiends xenos, kinda like a twisted grimdark lovecraft esqe version of the tau empire. As well as the possibility of flesheing out some of the tau's minor neighbors, like the world weve of noisome reek, the church of dracolith, the thexian trade empire, and the xenarch empire.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 10 ай бұрын
On the subject of Xenos, I think there should at the very least be a "Agents of _____" for Xenos, the way Imperium has "Agents of the Imperium" and Chaos has "Agents of Chaos". Call them "Xenos Mercenaries" or something to that effect. A big umbrella for filing all manner of weird alien creatures under, that you can then plug into other Xenos armies. Then, release a ton of kits for them. Like, the Rak'Gol could easily be released as a Kill Team, and then have rules for running them in 40K in other armies. They did it for Arbites, and they got multiple different units in 40K to reflect their loadouts. Just make the Rak'Gol kit have a few build options. Maybe with the option of building one model as either a "Combat Leader" or a "Tech Shaman", so you have some Character builds. Suddenly you've made use of your extensive background lore. Another option would be like the Enslavers. Release a kit that can be built as three "normal" Enslavers, or two of those and one Character Enslaver. All models that are like flesh balls with tentacles wrapping around assorted Psyker models. And give them the ability to not only be taken in Xenos armies, but in many armies. So you're running the narrative that they're mind-controlling other forces. (Barring some exceptional armies who have in-lore reasons they'd be resistant to mind control, like Custodes, Necrons, or Tyranids). Make them strong psychic threats, and maybe have the ability to briefly mess with opposing models (a Leadership test can be good for this). There are so many weird and wonderful Xenos creatures, it's criminal GW has used so few of them on the tabletop.
@ShadowGJ
@ShadowGJ 4 ай бұрын
A few concepts that come to mind: 1) I'm not well-versed on Tau lore, but some kind of Dark Tau. FOR THE GREATER EVIL! 2) A tribe or group of tribes of Votanns dominated, subjugated and forcibly cyber-modified by one of their big AIs gone murderous. Quake's Strogg come to mind. 3) A lost colony of Men of Iron. Perhaps a bit too similar to Necrons, but they could shed some light on pre-Imperium human history.
@twisted_fo0l
@twisted_fo0l 5 ай бұрын
On the "rethinking ad mech and knights" specifically when talking about combining tanks and infantry, having more rules that make infantry stronger against unsuported vehicle's would be perfect for that and it has basis in irl warfighting.
@peenwienerstein2
@peenwienerstein2 10 ай бұрын
I really, really just want the Sons Of Malice to be brought in as a full-on faction. Not only that, but holy fuck GW have an entire fifth Chaos God that we hardly know anything about just sitting on the sidelines, and they won’t do anything with him? Or his incredibly interesting Traitor Chapter? Absolutely goofy.
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 10 ай бұрын
I mean between Vashtorr, Malal, Be'lakor and Big E/whatever the fck the T'au are cooking up in the lore we literally have a second pantheon of chaos gods in the current setting
@peenwienerstein2
@peenwienerstein2 10 ай бұрын
@@teejay1646Malal has never been part of the 40k universe. He was exclusive to Fantasy.
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 10 ай бұрын
@@peenwienerstein2 Yeah ik I just mean the groundwork is kinda there for a bunch of new chaos gods should GW want to build on chaos and the warp and develop it a bit more
@peenwienerstein2
@peenwienerstein2 10 ай бұрын
@@teejay1646I’m hoping that they do bring Malice out in force at some point because his concept is too good to ignore. Also the Sons of Malice seem like a crazy badass warband and shouldn’t be forgotten about or ignored (they aren’t, they’re beloved by a shocking amount of people, but still)
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 10 ай бұрын
@@peenwienerstein2 Wait... malice is the anti-chaos, right? Do you think Big E ascending might actually *be* Malal? It kinda checks out as a way to introduce him in 40k
@destructivepanda5226
@destructivepanda5226 9 ай бұрын
I will say this every time Skaven get brought up, they should be incorporated AESTHETICALLY to the Dark Mechanicum, they already pretty similar Imagine the dark Mechanicum skittari equivalent have metal rat skulls for helmets!
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