Someone should _REALLY_ wake The Lion up from his cozy sleep to prevent yet another Dark Angels civil war

Easiest Explanation: The Angels of Absolution have the "It's been ten thousand years guys, I think we've been forgiven now" mindset. The Asmodai explanation: *_THE ANGELS OF ABSOLUTION ARE WORKING WITH THE FALLEN!!_*

I think it'd be intensely amusing if Roboute Guilliman found out about the Fallen and his response was essentially "Did you think you were unique? Every legion had traitors, even my own. Forget your rules of silence, instead we will all work together to eradicate humanity's shame."

Angels of Absolution: How did the Tau get hold of this extra spooky skull bros? Dark Angels: It went missing while we were on campaign alongside the Blood Ravens. After that we can't say.

Maybe the real fallen were the fallen the dark angels have become along the way.

Come now! The Dark Angels have always been unified and would never, EVER engage in a civil war! I'm also totally not saying this out of fear that a Dark Angels squad will come to my hab block and- *door slam followed by bolter fire*

How did no Librarian in the Angels of Absolution detect this psychic plague on their own world?

Dark Angels really grabbed the idiot ball there.

Here's how they could have made War of Secrets make sense: have the Dark Angels inform the Angels of Absolution, or just their chapter master, about the psychic plague on their planet and its origins to the Fallen. So as not to attract the attention of the Inquisition and the plague's true origins, The Unforgiven bait the Tau into attacking the Angels of Absolution's home world. Before that happens the Angels of Absolution "leave" their planet for a crusade abroad, only to come "back" after they hear it's under assault and liberate their home world from the Xenos, after the Tau take care of the psychic plague of course. That way the Angels of Absolution appear as liberators coming to save their people, while The Unforgiven quietly get an uncomfortable nuisance out of the way. The Inquisition, if they investigate at all, merely write the incident off as a random Xenos attack.

5:19 Did that T'au just successfully enter close combat and kill some sons of the Lion? *_WHAT HERESY IS THIS?_*

I mean Guilliman had an escort of "very traditional" dark angels a century or so ago, I think he knows but is too busy trying to keep the imperium from taking a long walk off a short pier.

So much Dark Angels love the last two weeks. Tell me Inquisitor, do you know anything about a certain sleeper within a chamber of rock stirring to prevent another Dark Angels civil war?

Dark Angels: "We didn't attack you, and even if we did what would you do about it?" Angels of Absolution: "I'm telling..." Dark Angels: "PLEASE DON'T TELL!"

How can a group (the Dark Angels inner circle) that has kept a huge secret for ten thousand years hand out pieces of equipment with their logo on it? I would expect them to not only have stocks of all their gear without color or insignia, but also to have other people's gear (loyal and traitor) in case they need to leave false evidence. When the Angels of Absolution looked at that skull, it should have been autographed, "I am Alpharius."

*Hears the words "The Unforgiven" and immediately begins hearing Wastern musical instruments.*

Dark Angels: The Unforgiven: *There is 1 Imposter among us*

Last time I was this early Caliban was still a whole planet and Luther was still The Lions BFF !

I am glad you covered this one my friend. Keep up the great work

Two dork angel theory videos in a row. Hmmmmmm Blink twice if you have a dark angel bolter pointed at your head

"We're going to turn on our allies, but we're totally not traitors, guys!"

The question if some of the full Primaris Chapter don't know about the fallen, how fast would they run to Guilliman.

_Dark Green is sus_

What if Vulkan led the Imperium after the War of the Beast?

This would be the perfect way to introduce the Lion; they engage in a civil war and the Angels of Absolution and their allies start to gain the upper hand, and then the Dark Angels awaken Lion El’Jonson and tell him of the situation. He then gets pissed and reveals himself, telling everyone to stop the fighting and unites the Dark Angels legion once again and goes on a massive hunt for the Fallen.

I read this book and although I love everything DA this book was written showing the Darkest parts of the DA when regarding the new Primaris marines. I know the DA are very suspicious and will do whatever it takes to defeat the fallen BUT all the stuff they did to themselves made me question the writer it seemed like a lot of loop holes in their actions I.e assisting and even accepting help from the tau.

My vote? It'll come to blows and Asrael will be saved by plot armor from getting his butt handed to him in the decisive honor duel

This is super sweet. I've been putting together my first ever Space Marine chapter, and I'm going with a penal chapter made of repented Fallen who are forced to go through the Rubicon Primaris and serve their death sentence in service to the Imperium in hopes of earning forgiveness. I'm really enjoying filing off all of the imperial symbols from a bunch of Primaris models. My theory is that they work with the Ordo Chronos as they fight during the chronostrife and that the Ordo is helping the dark angels to find the fallen across time and space. it's pretty fun to put this together, and I'm enjoying it for the first time, speaking as a tyranids player.

As a dark angel we did what was neccesary to destroy the plague.

Probably not, considering that they already decided that if the secrets are revealed they will willingly surrender. They will probably just talk it out with each other. PROBABLY

The last time I was this early the Squats were still triking across the galaxy.

Asmodai! We a leek! This inquisitor knows about the fallen!

Anuva beautiful video bruva

Consorting with Xenos again. Wonder what the Inquisition thinks about the Watchers (at least the one who hadn’t accidentally died and ended up ground up in the ration tins of Death Korps of Krieg troopers

I believe its even worse due to the fact that the skull was chattering vociferously upon him being in its proximity and finding it.... I believe it implied that modren(sp?) Was himself either previously known or ( i believe completely, unknown) to him as one of the "best culled without question" infected with the psychic plague.... This further complicates, and intrigues things.... Because, he regardles would have deduced its cogitative function and purpose at this point... Divulging to himself, or damning to his gene-brethren.. his infernal status, and fate... if discovered...

The Dark Angels and their secrets well as the old saying goes pride comes just before the fall

Astellan, one of the fallen captured and interrogated by the Dark Angels that their secretive nature would be its downfall.

I'm reading a Codex: Dark Angels 8th Edition right now so I really appreciate these Dark Angels theories.

The Tau were hunting more infected INSIDE the monastery. The Fact a XENOS was holding up his part of the deal way better than the Astartes has to be a major blow to them on SO MANY LEVELS. Oh... and the had to call in an orbital strike to stop ONE battlesuit and the pilot still escaped. Wow! So much liquid incompetence.

"We are absolve of our crimes, for we never fell in the first place." "We are Unforgiven for there is nothing to forgive."

"OH NO OUR DARK SECRET IS OUT, SOME OF OUR CHAPTER TURNED TO CHAOS 10 MILLENIA AGO!" ".....so you do know the blackshields are a thing right...?"

Asmodai! **Make them repent**

"The artifact was stolen" there, problem solved

It's nice to have more fluff on DA successors beyond the little blurbs in the codexes.

Please. They simply realized that brooding over an event that happened thousands of years ago and couldn't have any ways to avoid it is pretty darn stupid and would impede their service to the Emperor.

Wow that was excellent! Now a few things.... The angels of absolution going to war against the DA? Probably not the best idea for many reasons but it would make for a excellent story. It might bring the knowledge of the fallen to light and that can only end up bad for all the unforgiven.... but that said if it reached that point where it seemed civil war was inevitable wouldn’t that then be the best time for the Lion to finally come back!!!

This would be a great set up for the Lion's return. A Dark Angels Civil War where the Fallen join the fray and The Lion has to put a stop to it.

Who wrote this fluff? If they still hunted the fallen, a delegation would just share information that a fallen was on the planet. Then they could have run wargames.

Most loyal -legion- chapter ever doing civil war ? By the Lion that ain't happened never before...

Dark Angels, making the Alpha legion look like loyalists since 31k

Lion El'Jonson needs to quit napping and give his sons a spanking.

Given that Azrael, Sammael and Belial can all command their successor chapters (hence accusations that the First Legion never really disbanded), I find such internal conflict highly unlikely. That being said GW are wont to disregard established lore when it suits.

ok, but a civil war that pulls in guillimen involving him learning of the fallen could also be a cool way to eventually bring about the return of Lion El Johnson, with maybe the rock itself being destroyed or something and Lion being woken up in a very, VERY bad mood.

The Dark Angels are certainly masters of heresy.

I love being a nerd. My friend and I had a 2 hour discussion on the Dark Angels and The Fallen.

Emperor of Mankind: Tried his best to be an atrocious father Lion: Became a neglectful parent by taking a beauty sleep while his sons revelled in their paranoia and fight amongst themselves Roboute: Becomes a bit too critical to Calgar, who has been trying his best I guess irresponsible parenting does run in the family...

Was Kais the same Tau from Fire Warrior / Dark Crusade?

Option 3: Azrael: Asmodai! Make them repent! Asmodai: REPENT! Azrael: *contacting local administratum official* We received a emergency broadcast from our honorable battle brothers and when we arrived, they were all dead from what appeared to be a greenskin incursion,

If Ahriman breaks the curses, will that also sever the extra power boost the few ha e gotten and would it screw anyone else's plans? Is there anyone actively trying to stop him?

I wrote a bit of a story as a joke. And I find it funny enough. Dark angels : "Yo, inquisitor, mortal-bag. Do you have any idea where the lion is? We kinda need to stop a civil war from the second-largest gene-seed line..." Inquisitor: "Wait, didn't you know? The blood revans looted the rock a long ass time ago. They took a giant man with them, and some dude named luthor. The giant lad was sleeping. Didn't even notice half a dozen red astartes carry his ass off into the night!" *Dark angel's stunned silence as the blood revans managed to loot their literal primarch...A slight bit of admiration for their hippy hippoty, our primarch is their property ways! And definitely seething with rage* Lion: "You know, I'm oddly okay with being looted by blood-angel-looking klepto boys. You guys had two video gams made off you. And frankly better than the paranoid moping of my sons. Thanks for the extraction boys... Let's go do two things, and two things only. 1) Loot everyone else's shit, and 2) Purge some fucking heretics." Blood Revans. "You know, this big guy we looted has come in handy. He's a great tactician, and he can kill entire warbands with his bare fist. Glad we decided to make him an honorary blood revan. He's helped us loot everyone's shit for 5,000 years. He's our secret to victory." Okay, I couldn't get that out of my head. It's so fucking hilarious to me.

sounds like the same element of distrust between the old caliban dark angels and the ones from earth and the lion

The only thing I don’t get is why couldn’t the dark angels tell the angles of absolution about the physic plague and Cohorio (plz correct if I got that wrong) I mean I get the unforgiven are extremely secretive about the fallen and justifiably so but the angle of absolution are also dark angle descence who have helped hunt the fallen before so couldn’t they have covertly informed them even if just the chapter master as they would probably have a considerably easier time dealing with the situation without tipping of the inquisition (and wouldn’t need to negotiate with Xenos)

7:34 Tau might be familiar with Blood Ravens' favorite strategy? Impossible!

Why is that space marine hugging the Stealth suit? I suppose that's called absolving the enemy.

how the hell do you casually sneak into an astarties fortress monastery with a battlesuit as a tau, that's 1 klom thick plot armor there

I thought a ghostkeel was a huge mech? How big are the backdoors of the unforgiven monsters?

If any of Unforgiven Chapters go renegade I think that 1.that is highly unlikely to happen 2.if it would come to be they would be purged by Dark Angels themselves, not telling any of Unforgiven and then explain that they went rogue and then for that sin must have been destroyed. 3.Nothing happened on Caliban!!!

What is the Unforgiven’s favourite confectionery? Answer: the Lion’el Bar

Dark Angels will be like "Hoppity poppity - now you are Fallen"

Looks to me like the Angels of Absolution came down with a case of COMMON SENSE

or the Azrael could simply give to the angel of absolution the chaplain responsible for this absolute idiocy (I mean dark angels asking the help of Tau ? come on) and say "here is the guilty guy, he acted without our accord, do what you want with him" and also some several aspirant to make for their losses against the Tau

Ironic that I'm making a new dark angels legion as this vid drops lol

I don't know what you're talking about . . . backing away.

Firstborn vs Primaris? Count me in!

If the skull was chattering when the chapter master picked it up doesn't that imply he was infected with the psychic plague?

Azazel: Okay who let the fucking inquisitor in our library? Remleiz: Was the Lion made out of cyberdongs?

What I now honestly think after reading/listening to the Horus Heresy series is the Lion was just as stunned about Luther as the Emperor was at Horus...and we saw the exact same fight in PRIMARCH/MARINE scale. Make me wonder if this wasn't done by Big E on purpose. It was just supposed to happen before Battle on Vengeful Spirit...not after..or maybe it happened after to give the Lion a reason to cone back.

Dark Angels plots within plots within plots makes my Primaris Ultramarine head hurt. The sooner the Lion comes back the better for everyone.

I forget which Dark Angels book mentions it, but when a battle brother learns the truth of the Fallen and flips out, the Chaplain speaks code words to shutdown the brother. He then commands the brother to forget everything about it, stating that such a measure might seem extreme, but no brother will ever be allowed to betray the Chapter again. Every Dark Angel in every successor Chapter is hypno-indoctrinated by the Chaplains to obey certain High Gothic code phrases. Some phrases are known by the Inner Circle, and even the Lord Cypher knows about some of them. The Chaplains can even shutdown the Chapter Masters if necessary. I don't think the Angels of Absolution are real. I think they are a red herring bait laid by the Chaplains to convince self-doubting Fallen to turn themselves in for 'Absolution'. The Angels of Absolution are the 'Good Cop' to the Dark Angels 'Bad Cop', but no Dark Angel will ever betray the Chapter again, and the Chaplains are watching.

The dark angels are very loyal. Definitely not heretical

If it was a fallen follower of tzeench that caused the plague, then lying about the artefact would play right into his hands! Tzeench seems to have his eyes on the dark angels.

"YOU GUYS GAVE THEM THIS we have it on voxtape!" "No no no, see that MAY look like a dark angel, but if you look closely, that's in fact A FALLEN! They gave the filthy xenos this artifact!" meanwhile out of sight two blood ravens quietly 'borrow' the skull, banner, and several sets of power armor off of the astarties wearing them.

But on a slightly more serious note, the Unforgiven Chapters implies that there are also Forgiven Chapters.

Not that a Tau battle suit isn't a powerful weapon but you're in an unknown location while the 20 marines know the entire monastery and have access to anti dreadnought class weaponry. These are also suppose to be super human soldiers not cannon fodder like guardsmen. The fact he "escaped" is also bs. You're now a blue unarmed dude running around a fortress with dudes in power armor around every corner that just melted your battlesuit down and you don't have a map.

Well...I mean is anyone really surprised? The DA have slaughtered entire planetary populations to kill one person and even attacked other loyalists to the extent of ignoring demonic invasions. They literally organized a crusade against the Space Wolves and then fucked off when Magnus showed up leaving the Space Wolves to fight a two front war against demons on one side, and fellow Imperials on the other. And they slaughtered the entire population of a moon to find one fallen, which they never found. And on the very world below Imperial Guard and several fellow marine chapters were fighting a Waaaagh! The DA never helped and fucked off again. I don't think there is a more heretical chapter.

ASMODAAAIIIIIIII!!!

I think they should fuck off to another part of space and just let that shit drop. Hell if I was theri chapter master and knew about The Fallen I would have been pissed about not being communicated with, but losing only a couple dozen dudes? Probably worth it. It's the GRIM darkness - not the DEEP Darkness. Revenge? No, but I think I'd ask the DA's for something in return. Some relic, some asset to balance out the loss. Hell, maybe get some XXXtra goodies from Cawl's armories - gimme a sweet sweet Astraeus x3 and call it even steven.

Lies and deception from the Dark Angel's? Surely not.

you know, naming yourselves the Angels of Absolution, really is kinda sus. Like they might as well have just hung up a sign saying "HERE WE ARE PURGE US!"

son of a beach! 1 Tau slaying 24 Space Marines in an enclosed area??? Who wrote this lore?! He is either high or delirious.

The Lion would not be pleased with this. | 3:35 - Get the Communist Blueberries and the great enemy to kill each other, leaving the winner weaker. | 12:48 - (monotone) All hail Big Papa Ultrasmurf.

I made that chapter in dawn of war ultimate apocalypse

So question. why didnt the Angels just say to the Absolution that they had a problem and needed to deal with it

Ooh, Primaris VS Firstborn.

horus heresy legions is about to release a new legion. Either imperial fists or dark angels. I want lion el johnson (epic name for someone who would sing a power Ballard)

Remleiz, this was a classic Gav Thorpe tortured story line. The artifact proves nothing at all to anybody. In the grim dark, this thing could have been a thrice stolen doo-hickie from whenever. 1- The Dark Angels would never tell him the full truth. There is no reason to tell him the full truth, it would achieve no good. If he knew that there were some kind of psychic plague on his world, then it might be justified. If he didn't, then it was just those pesky Tau doing what they do. This is manufactured drama. Azrael just tells him, "thank you" and moves on. 2- If the chapter master would consider that the Dark Angels were really trying to destroy his chapter, then they could have come in force, they would have been allowed inside, then they could have pulled a Calth and just shot the guy beside them. 3-A classicly tortured Gav Thorpe bad story. Gav would have you believe a chapter master leaps to this nonsense conclusion which was only true due to the aforementioned "tortured storyline". This book was a hackneyed litany of tropes and overreaches, just like Indomitus. . . a Gav special. Why is the most secretive, controlled, and stoic Legion suddenly blurting out angry emotional screeds? Bad writing, that's how. Gav find the feel of the Dark Angels again, great job! Whenever I see one of my Legion's books written by Gav, it drops my spitits.

Question: Why do the Dark Angels do anything? Option A: To deal with the Fallen. Option B: Yes. Option C: Fallen? What Fallen? We're all loyal. No heresy here. No sir. None at all. Option D: Silence those who know about their dirty laundry. Option E:

The dangles are my least favorite chapter. In my eyes, they're all traitors not for any sins of The Fallen but due to their actions since the heresy. They've shown themselves time adn again to be unreliable and if not outright hostile then at least antagonistic towards the rest of the imperium as a whole.

"...Because you're unforgiven too"...

Given that the Dark Angels have worked with Xenos to hunt the Fallen, how long before they end up working with say Alpha Legion or some other traitor legion to capture the fallen

I guess the Dark Angels are now as close you can get to a literal double-heretic