Totally

AGreed

TheCheapShot - I recommend GunBlue490 as well. A wealth of information.

Thank you

A fine rifle and cartridge.

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 just picked up my Model 70. Got a GREAT deal on old but brand new Winchester white box brass (200 cases for $169.00) and worked up 3 loads. Went from Marlin level 45-70 to Ruger level 45-70 to low .458Win. Each step up let you know it was a different critter. The Marlin 45-70 load was laughably light in recoil.

Mr. Lott was a very fascinating character.

Definitely, I'd probably shoot someone else's 458, but I highly doubt I'd buy my own.

@@willrowell3218 Exactly!

You're missing the point guys. The great thing about the .458 win mag and the Lott is there versatility. They can be loaded down to black powder 45/70 levels or hotter 45/70 smokeless levels. They can be loaded with light 250 or 300gr bullets for a flat trajectory that rivals a 30-06 and hits like a freight train! Because they have a straight case they can be loaded into a shotgun shell for close range pest control and of course load those 500gr heavies for when the local pachaderms get into your garden! Nothing is more versatile than a .458!

Same here. I don't have one right now, but the same rifle is probably the 1st on my list right now

Just in case God decides to put t rexes back on the planet.

They are only interchangeable in a Lott chamber... the regular 458 Win mag cant chamber the longer Lott... I mean you can play with seating depths, but that's not alot of wiggle room

Only the Lott chambered rifle is, not the other way around.

I've been loading and shooting the great .458 win mag for over 30 years and have a great respect for it. It's a very versatile round if you reload for it and I have taken 5 caribou at over 300yds with barnes 350gr triple shocks, a couple whitetails and water buffalo in Argentina with 500gr hornadys. I have even shot squirrels with it by making it into a shotgun shell! That said, I don't understand why Winchester used a 2.5" case for the .458 win mag when the model 70 was already chambered in the 2.85" .375 H&H and while they were at it they used the wrong smokeless powder! Ball powders don't like to be compressed! I've always loaded the .458 win mag with H4895 for 2150fps with the 500gr hornadys in a 24" barrel with no pressure problems. I have several .458 win mags and love them but I also have a Dakota arms .458 Lott which is going to Africa next year for Cape buffalo!

Ash Merch Yes, ofcourse

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 correct! But since the CZ-550s are being discontinued, could someone, let's say buy a Winchester 70 Safari in 458 Win mag then have it reemed by a smith to the longer Lott, without pressure issues? Or is that a completely different action size? The reason I ask is (as you stated in the video) the 458 win is "standard" length and the Lott is "Magnum" length. My guess would be that it can be done... because of the other chamberings offered ( .375 H&H and .416 Remington Magnum) I doubt they shortened the action just for the 458 Win Mag, I bet it's like Howa 1500's and Weatherby Vanguard's that they make 1 action size that fits the longest cartridges and the shorter ones just ride the feed ramp a little longer before hitting the throat of the rifle

I have several rugers. The big ones are 416 Rigby and 458 lott both in ruger magnum Express rifles. Love them. I'm a ruger guy

Definitely worth it.

It absolutely is a great cartridge, and as mentioned in the video, its easy to get that perfect 450NE performance with ease. Modern commercial ammo is also great; so every past issue with this cartridge is a thing of the past. Unfortunately, Winchester ignored the issue long enough for a wildcat to become a legitimate and slightly better replacement.

He has. Its called "45-70 an overrated cartridge"

You need to get used to it

Both my REM 700 and Win 70 have had their chambers opened for the Lott with no problem.

378 Wby is bad.....until you get to shoot a 460 Wby! I love big bores, even the 505 Gibbs and 500 Jeffery; but that 460 Weatherby is no fun to shoot.

I have a friend "I'm not that stupid " who used to hunt with a .460 Weatherby and I worked up all his loads for him. Weatherby factory loads are brutal! The .460 doesn't need to be loaded that hot! I used to load 400gr barnes X to around 2550fps which he used on a Kodiak bear and various African plains game and 500gr Hornady solids at around 2400fps which

Mark Loomis I shot the 460 and owned the 458 lott. I myself and Craig Boddington has stated in his book that the 378 Weatherby is the one caliber that he dreaded to shoot.

Montana Sling

I actually use a .375H&H for all my game hunting here in south Texas. So I understand what you’re saying. I use 250 grain Hornady GMX for just about everything and it kills DEAD. I use 300 grain solids and it simply zips throw pigs and deer and coyote and never slows down. Literally never slow down at all. It puts small 375 caliber holes in them and just keep going. Believe it or not you can eat right up to the hole!!! The .375H&H is by far and away the greatest game caliber on the planet. It will kill from small pigs in south Texas all the way to very large elephants in South Africa. The recoil is roughly 2.5 times a .30-06 but when standing you’ll hardly notice it.

I have always loaded the .458 win mag with 350gr Barnes tsx for lighter game like deer and caribou at 2550 fps with excellent performance out to 400 yds! The new 300gr ttsx can easily reach 2700 fps and should shoot even flatter but I haven't taken any game with it yet. You wanna talk about versatility, how's about loading the .458 as a shotgun shell! It works great as a short range squirrel or snake load! Sky's the limit and have fun with it. It's not just a close range dangerous game cartridge.

@@markloomis1415 I would LOVE to shoot that as a shotgun shell. Omg that sounds bad ass.

@@bobneal790 Not so "bad ass" nothing more than about a 410 shotgun seeing that is nearly identical in both length and diameter as the 410 shell,,,but because of the rifling in the barrel it performs way worse than a smoothbore shotgun in terms of shot pattern spread,,,at just 20 yards the pattern is so spread out your lucky if you can hit a pop can consistantly by anything other than dumb luck (very much the same way it is with the taurus judge revolver and i've tried one of those and they SUCK in every way,,,worthless with shot and inacurate as hell with 45 colt and shotgun slugs and seriously underpowered with the latter), you can't even make use of the strong gun and brass case because the faster you try to drive the shot from the rifled barrel the worse the shot spread gets (been there tested that),, if you want a shotgun get a shotgun it will actually be something you can make good use of and cost WAY WAY less in every way than a rifle chambered in 458 anything,,,and if you want a "snake gun" buy one of those cheap bond derringers in 410/45 colt and shoot 410 shells in it or just use the same sidearm you carry for normal day to day protection because if you are close enough to make effective use of one of the pistol type shotguns with rifled barrels that can shoot with 410 you're close enough to hit it with any gun (or at least if your close enough for the snake to be a threat),,,if you have time to dick around reloading your rifle with specially loaded shot shells then you have time enough to just back off and leave the snake alone and not be one of those dick heads that feel the need to kill just for the sick joy off it( I'm assuming your not running around with your hunting/dangerous game rifle loaded with home made shot shells and will have to unload at least one of the normal hunting rounds to load a shotshell you made up and just happen to be carrying),,,while I wouldn't hesitate a second to kill a venomious snake in my yard or home or if it was way too close to safely back away or it was actully pursuing me people need to grow the hell up and learn to leave such creatures alone if they are out in the wild otherwise minding their own bussiness.

Aimpoint Micro or Trijicon RMR. Don't bother with the others.

Blue Wildebeest

Unfortunately, I'm not a fan or those cartridges. "solutions looking for a problem". I'd take a good old 404J or 416 over them anyday for 15 to 100 yard shots on DG.

B.S.

@@rickmosher1079 I second his comment. These bullets also perform better when they're not flying faster than 2400 fps.

I have no experience with 505 Barnes Supreme. WAYYYYY too much for me (and I like big bores). Honestly, I don't even use my 505 Gibbs. I'm happy to draw the line at 458 Lott / 470NE.

Subscribe to my channel, scroll through my videos, and watch my 6.5 Creedmoor video.

The 6.5 creedmoor has been popular for at least 5 years

It will do great; as will 416 and 375.

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 thanks this will be my first trip to Africa

hi, i carried a Ruger M77 in .458 Win mag for over 10 yrs as a wilderness guide in South Africa, and i trusted it completely, .. i'd say the most important factor is shot placement, then the bullet make up.. (i.e. hand load vs factory, projectile material, powder load etc. - i carried hand loaded 500 gr. brass monolithic solids). The mistake some folks make is loading the .458 Win mag cartridges too hot trying to avoid issues experienced by shooters before modern nitro propellants nullified those issues. I bought my rifle from a PH after his client shot a zebra with it but due to the recoil from the super hot hand load the 3 round magazine box deformed leading to cycling issues (all three rounds jumped out when the bolt was opened).. i replaced the magazine box and using sane hand loads never experienced any further problems with it.

@@giveitstick66 Shot placement. Pretty much says it all, no matter what you hunt.

With modern powders and ammunition available today, your 458wm will do great. It is near perfect if you can shoot well with your gun.

CZ550 and Montana Rifles were the easiest way to go for a production 458 Lott. With the 550 discontinued and Montana out of business, it's a used gun or custom gun market now. The Ruger #1 might still be available in Lott; Weatherby also. European manufacturers also do limited runs.

Yes. If you look through the videos on my channel, you will see a video titled "using a big bore bolt action rifle".

Probably not. It, and the 416 Ruger were pretty much DOA. Those cartridges also doomed the Hawkeye African rifle. Not an interesting topic to me.

Zimbabwe? Funny way of spelling Rhodesia

What is a 458 edge

@@vernonlarson7016 GOOGLE

Yes

Desert Dog Outdoors that’s what it looked like. Wonder how it would work during white gale gun season here in Ohio.

brambo4791 let’s make it happen I’ve got one in a ruger #1

Bram, this is not the sort of thing to take the rifle, fifty rounds and go look for a ground hog encampment. I've got a .458 Winchester and it is NOT fun to shoot.

Sorry man. I suffer from hyperthyroidism. Some days are worse than others. Constantly adjusting meds.

A real thumper, but I just don't shoot mine much anymore. I think the 416's and 458's do everything I need. In fact, every year I grow more fond of the 416 Rem and Rigby.

TRUE!!!!!!