4th Gen Vs 5th Gen Intercept | F-16 Viper Vs Su-57 Felon | Digital Combat Simulator

4th Gen Vs 5th Gen Intercept | F-16 Viper Vs Su-57 Felon | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

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@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR! F-35 VS Two MIG-31's/R-37M's BVR!

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

AH-64 Apache VS Ka-50 Kamov UH-1H VS Mi-8

@sayeedahmed47 Жыл бұрын

4.5 gen interceptor Eurofighter Typhoon vs 5 gen SU-57

@tonijaneiro4102 Жыл бұрын

Quick question, what are your Graphics Settings and do you use a Shader?

@mingweiwu4918 Жыл бұрын

F22 vs mig 31 2 f35 vs mig 31 F35 vs s400

@niixodus Жыл бұрын

I love how he was like "it's viper time" and just started vipering all over the place

@xJAWAx Жыл бұрын

Definitely the best part

@RaptorTroll360 Жыл бұрын

The way he vipered that felon made me sooo excited!!!! It was amazing!!!

@_Peperek Жыл бұрын

Is this a reference to the hit movie "Morbius" when he says "It's morbin time" and starts morbin all over the place ??!111!!??1!

@baomao7243 Жыл бұрын

“To viper” - a new verb 👍

@marcomenabue7717 Жыл бұрын

Truly the viperest Plane of all times

@TheNerdForAllSeasons Жыл бұрын

"Youth and exuberance are no match for old age and treachery" The F-16, probably

@kingscorpion7346 Жыл бұрын

you were hugging that ground so close you were giving me anxiety! forget the missiles, watch the deck!😅

@TybrosionMojito Жыл бұрын

On the Felon's RCS, I think the consensus is that the Felon is just slightly "stealthier" than a clean super hornet. Better than something Like an F-15 or Su-27 by miles, and being clean it's much stealthier than planes with a bunch of weapons/pylons externally mounted, but I mean, it has an exposed IRST lens and simple allen head screws all over, it's not THAT low observable and certainly nowhere near the the F-22. All of that is just from the front. From the rear, it's literally just a Su-35 booty.

@ShawnHinck Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the RCS they use is beyond over blown. It’s a gen 4.5 low observable at best.

@cockatoo010 Жыл бұрын

Also, the fan blades are exposed. If you look at a felon from the front, you can see the engine fan blades, while the F-22 uses an S-Duct to take air to the engines, for example. And having the spinning blades exposed like that increases RCS and makes IR detection easier. I think there's some fuckery with the F35 single engine's intake to hide the blades, but it doesn't have the S-Duct from the F22

@OneAngryVelociraptor Жыл бұрын

All sources i found say the Felons average rcs is 0.1 to 1 m^2, while a naked Hornets minimal rcs is arround the same. I am not exactly sure what the russians mean by average rcs, but since they make a distinction between average and minimal rcs i think its fair to assume that the felon is quite a bit stealthier than the Hornet. The production version of the Felon dropped the Su-35s cone shaped booty in favor of stealthier one. It also doesn't use allen head screws anymore and all the exposed metal was covered. It's definetly not as stealthy as the F22 or F35 but i think its stealthy enough to fight said aircraft on pretty much even terms.

@gaiofattos2 Жыл бұрын

SU-57 seems to be a test bed to RuAF research stealth and its applications. They will evolve the SU-57 with time when it start to be export I think that I already read in someplace that they are solving the duct with the upgrade of the engines.

@baomao7243 Жыл бұрын

It’s all about the exposed “edges” - edges are super efficient at scattering incoming RF radiation. Seamless geometries that “deliberately scatter away from the emitter” is key, before radar applying absorbing coatings/matls get used.

@aleksibovellan9821 Жыл бұрын

I haven't flown combat sims ever in my almost 40 years, only civilian, but this channel made me get the DCS, F18, Thrustmaster stick+throttle, TrackIR and TacView. One of the best decisions ever, so THANKS for this channel and his wonderful tutorials in combat tactics like this one! 🙂 Please continue! (Those human-duels are funny when you never know what the opponent chose. "Oh, an F22. What a surprise." "Let's see this time... oh, F22, wonderful..." 😀)

@aleksibovellan9821 Жыл бұрын

@@new_comment True, glad to help him in all ways 👌👑

@andrewgmaez7585 Жыл бұрын

It is incredible how much time growling sidewinder puts into his videos and he released 2 today. Good work!

@alfonw5881 Жыл бұрын

This is his only upload today.

@baomao7243 Жыл бұрын

I know, i mean, what is he doing with the REST of his time ? 😉

@b2tall239 Жыл бұрын

Is this the first time GS has said "I think we're good" and NOT been smoked a few seconds later?? 😁

@TheGoddamnBacon Жыл бұрын

Or immediately afterward LOL

@baomao7243 Жыл бұрын

I always have the same question too - whenever i hear that comment it feels like GS is probably foreshadowing Killed In Action.

@cameronspence4977 Жыл бұрын

He does have a habit of jinxing himself 😅

@DDayJayke Жыл бұрын

This is without a doubt, a Tom Cruise Top Gun Maverick Moment!

@mortlet5180 Жыл бұрын

Very nicely done! I'm really loving these longer range interception / fighter sweep setups, especially with the TacView at the end. You really do a wonderful job showcasing all of these different skills, pushing the aircraft to its limits in all regimes of flight.

@flycast47 Жыл бұрын

I worked for General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin for over 40 years. I was there during the manufacturing transition from the F-16 to the F-35. Even though this is a simulation it is very heartening to see the Viper be able out fox the SU-57. The Viper performs well against many adversaries in your simulations. I would also say that the F-35 capabilities appear to somewhat restricted in the sims, and that is probably a good thing. Do we know how many PRC pilots are also using DCS?

@doomsday9973 Жыл бұрын

LOL are you serious?

@CRAZYHORSE19682003 Жыл бұрын

@@doomsday9973 What do you mean?

@weasle2904 Жыл бұрын

If the DCS devs could make their planes completely accurate they would. Detailed information is classified

@TymaDem Жыл бұрын

I don’t think any Air Force takes DCS THAT seriously, nor should they. But I do agree that a lot about F-35 being classified is a good thing

@cockatoo010 Жыл бұрын

You did exactly what you had to. You flew this engagement perfectly and beat him fair and square. Very very impressed with that fight

@SupaMan2122 Жыл бұрын

If you can dodge a MiG31 missile you can dodge a Su57 missile

@Ken_Koonz Жыл бұрын

If you can dodge a SU-57's missile you can dodge a ball.

@bubblenugget1335 Жыл бұрын

@@Ken_Koonz Very based, i love to see it

@bebebutterbub1344 Жыл бұрын

Fair and square? No he was the underdog. Yes, impressive.

@julietmike1018 Жыл бұрын

Super good idea with the terrain masking. I have a friend who is a Super Hornet pilot and he says one of the biggest things is to always, always, always stay in a situation where you are strongest. Never chase the kill, let it come to you. Force the enemy to fight in your dojo.

@benwatso Жыл бұрын

This is genuinely an interesting fight, seeing a jet made in the 70s fight a 5th gen jet is crazy considering that the f-16 was made so well it has a chance against a su-57 when it is 50 years old

@supremegreaser2399 Жыл бұрын

Haven’t you seen GW flying propeller planes?

@klesarhr-bz5of Жыл бұрын

yeah...in call of hollywood duty

@ashtiboy Жыл бұрын

and not only that also techly the X-35 prototype airframe that became the F-35 is techaly a modernezed 5th gen version of the F-16 but just much more adveced. but it still has the F-16 airframe shape but much more stealthy and with a few extra payload capacity with its interanl bomb bay. also the air intakes on the F-35 had to be redesied to be difrrent then the F-16 air intakes to make more room for the inetal bombay by splitting and putting the air inakes on the front sides of the airframe. also the F-35 is also is highly modular for easy mass production and repairs and mantasce that can also in the factory prodction can very easly change the verant configration with just very little effort.

@265justy Жыл бұрын

It's an F-16C not a YF-16... C models are late 80s era.. More near 30 years old..

@cas343 Жыл бұрын

Turns out the laws of physics still work 50 years later.

@lajoyalobos2009 Жыл бұрын

Growing up, the F-16 was always my favorite. Glad to see it still very much relevant even against newer, more modern planes.

@BroPatOC Жыл бұрын

Great job against the Felon. I'd like to see more against the Mig-31 though. Maybe an F-22, F-35 or something with Meteors. I was surprised how much trouble the Mig-31 was in some of your other videos.

@RT42069 Жыл бұрын

Mig-31 has better radar than basically all fighters besides the F-35. That, combined with its extreme speed and the R-37's extreme range make it incredibly dangerous

@maliburallye350 Жыл бұрын

Typhoon with Meteor, is the only option to contest the Mig31 with the R37M in BVR!!! 😬

@gourmetbanana Жыл бұрын

@@maliburallye350 Can you prove it? Where is the video?

@DIREWOLFx75 Жыл бұрын

@@RT42069 F-35 radar is a complete wimp compared to MiG-31s. No contest. It went so hard with the LPI concept that it severely hamstrung itself.

@DIREWOLFx75 Жыл бұрын

"I was surprised how much trouble the Mig-31 was in some of your other videos." The MiG-31 is currently and has been for a VERY long time, basically since it was first built, the best air domination interceptor in the world. No other fighter has it's abilities. The F-15 and nowadays the Typhoon comes the closest, but simply said, noone has tried to make such an extreme aircraft as the MiG-31 again. It's complete crap close in, but as a BVR interceptor it is the king. Oversized and hugely overpowered radar supported by possibly the best electronics package anyone has managed to stuff into a fighter. Combined with missiles customtailored for the role.

@PittedOlive Жыл бұрын

I've been watching for about a year and I look forward to these videos every day. I've gotten into vtol vr, and there is so much to learn. Keep it up!!

@aguy556 Жыл бұрын

Good debrief - i like your use of terrain masking with the fortuitous angle for a shot at the end. nice!

@macaroniwithdachickenstrip8684 Жыл бұрын

Claim your early, and hardcore GS viewer ticket here

@louiethompson4108 Жыл бұрын

"It's not the plane, it's the pilot" - Rooster (Top Gun: Maverick) Excellent flying!

@markeide5784 Жыл бұрын

I love how you spoke thru your tactics . Real life type activity.

@clayblaze1327 Жыл бұрын

Got into dcs because of your videos, very interesting and informative, love these vids lately, keep it up man!

@knndyskful Жыл бұрын

What’s it like starting out? Do you have to pay extra for new planes? How does it work?

@MrDozerdee Жыл бұрын

Great job. A blast to watch

@IM2a1 Жыл бұрын

Such a a good tactic. Well done! And the close terrain piloting was amazing. Not so well done from SU-57: he should keep the distance to his own advantage.

@waynegriswold8953 Жыл бұрын

thank you for another great video! i love the tacview debrief at the end! i take away as much as i can from it.

@MRTEE-sy7sb Жыл бұрын

Found your channel a few weeks ago. Just want to say I really enjoy watching these and listening to you commentary!

@listeed1995 Жыл бұрын

Felon was shot down by a jet that flew 36 years before him, making him Tonight’s Big Loser

@retardmoguss Жыл бұрын

tbf the version it got shot by is from 10 years ago, so its a loser but not that big of a loser. (put some respect on ma man viper's name)

@mr.z6252 Жыл бұрын

@@retardmoguss I mean the 50yr old design manage to dodge 6 SAM purely Manuver only..... It's some of the best design

@ddurst1 Жыл бұрын

LOVE your F-16 videos. Amazing what that little aircraft is capable of

@Subhumanoid_ Жыл бұрын

6:35 Chaff is synchronized to music _perfectly!_ It adds that "snare drum" effect as the beat.

@R005t3r Жыл бұрын

I love your cinematics! They are very entertaining and you have sense of HAHA!

@thomasriley5830 Жыл бұрын

Loving these uploads lately man

@xJAWAx Жыл бұрын

Good kill. F16 is such a hot rod. I love watching it fly.

@SldgeHammr Жыл бұрын

1:15 I love the strategy of "Don't hit the ground"

@legionofyuri Жыл бұрын

Growling please do a BVR fight with naval fighters over open seas, a very likely scenario that could happen in the Pacific in the near future. Would love to see what tactics would be employed without the option of hitting the deck for terrain masking.

@scottlivingston349 Жыл бұрын

you basically just proved the f35s role is 100% valid lol

@Tbonyandsteak Жыл бұрын

In a major forced attack, when it run out of missiles. It will be like clubbing baby seals to kill f35's

@sulyokpeter3941 Жыл бұрын

Very smart tactics. Amazing play from you! :D When we will see a Eurofighter video from you? J10 vs Eurofighter dogfight, or MiG31 vs Eurofighter BVR?

@nightslon6695 Жыл бұрын

Ookeey... its nice... but wouldn't this tactic work with any jet against any jet?

@longjohnpilsners7750 Жыл бұрын

I like how after the initial fight in the f-22 he was like “you know what… I wanna see something”

@GENERALEVILANGEL Жыл бұрын

The way you flew all the time against the ground *chef kiss beautiful!

@The_Original_Brad_Miller Жыл бұрын

That's some pretty fine flying to dodge 5 missiles in basically the Kansas foothills ;) I think you're being generous calling them "mountains" lol

@jdbarnes5987 Жыл бұрын

My God what an exhilarating kill! Well done! Now I hope you can give us some more of that spicy Mig 31 BVR. It feels like the 31 is OP in DCS. I want to see you clip it’s wings definitively

@peterweller8583 Жыл бұрын

Thanks GS I always enjoy the video

@rafaelaldana1503 Жыл бұрын

F22? F35? Any european 6th gen project? For whaaaaaaaaat if you have an f16b50! Lockheed Martin: who wants F16 to be used until 2100? USAF: mmmmmme please! 😂

@zglitch4021 Жыл бұрын

Love the videos... Have a HOTAS on the way.. I personally like the primary flying and combat and not much of a fan of the tac view, but I watch yours due to the information you provide. So thankyou fir another great video.

@bronsmember1842 Жыл бұрын

that was an awesome shorter vid, gotta say wasnt confident that you would pull it off. Should never doubt the viper

@arctic3032 Жыл бұрын

Nice! Love your channel man

@truthseeker9454 Жыл бұрын

Crew Chief: "Who stuffed all these branches and weeds into the intake of this jet?! Is this someone's idea of a joke?"

@nooneyouknowhere6148 Жыл бұрын

That kind of stuff happened in viet nam. I used to work with a jet mechanic who had to work on those planes. He had one come in which flew so low he busted his napalm bomb on the tree tops and it had painted his plane with thd stuff. They let it dry then cleaned the plane off.

@mekafka6756 Жыл бұрын

One actually needs to appreciate the beautiful paint job on the Felon

@highlander723 Жыл бұрын

Takes down an SU-57 "It's not the plane it's the pilot"

@Paul-oi2wz Жыл бұрын

Finally a type of video I have been waiting for.

@Blind_Hawk Жыл бұрын

This was an awesome video. Please more of this "challenge videos".

@andersonklein3587 Жыл бұрын

Mig 31 vs F-22 BVR engagement would be fun. You got to get your revenge somehow! And I'd be surprised if you managed to do it with anything 4th gen in flat terrain.

@roijoi6963 Жыл бұрын

GS, an interesting challenge. How about a MIG-31 vs EuroFighter/Typhoon with Meteor missiles for LR stand-off, or a Tomcat with AIM-54s?

@quinndenver4075 Жыл бұрын

How could a mig 31 compete with an f-22?

@tombaldwin328 Жыл бұрын

I always say, it's not always about the aircraft, or the pilot, or tactics. It's a combination of all these factors that makes a great air battle.

@4dshow Жыл бұрын

That negligent discharge comment had me in stitches

@spongyaaa9741 Жыл бұрын

“I think🤓” 1:53 love the video growling!

@ArcFire_Fox Жыл бұрын

Obtain the best type of masking, Become part of the terrain !!! Added bonus is a cool fireball. lol

@bigblue6917 Жыл бұрын

Well you definatelly earned that one. Well done.

@ghostrider1827 Жыл бұрын

Ummmm you should be thanking the mountains buddy! They are the real heros here!!

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

Agreed lol they ate many missiles for me.

@Tabaskospecial Жыл бұрын

1:14 you almost terrain masked right into that building

@magnanimus9692 Жыл бұрын

10:44 Are flares more enticing to a missile if they are deployed in-line with the missile's path (because from the perspective of the missile there would be an additive overlapping signal boost relative to a single or perpendicular row of flairs)?

@truthseeker9454 Жыл бұрын

I think that's a great question.

@roijoi6963 Жыл бұрын

Yes, but it that spiked signal overlaps that of your aircraft. GS has been very clear on many occasions, you turn, then flare. You want to pull the burner and then present the missile with a very wide target it can't possibly cover, making it choose some mid-point that isn't you.

@truthseeker9454 Жыл бұрын

@@roijoi6963 And if you're smoking, toss that cigarette out the cockpit too, for good measure. :^D

@magnanimus9692 Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker9454 thnx ^^

@opasquali5937 Жыл бұрын

@growling sidewinder why didnt the f22 work against the su57? I thought it would dominate

@jakethesnake2x Жыл бұрын

So a in fight between the F-16 and the SU-57 over the North Sea, the F-16 is fucked??

@giantnanomachine Жыл бұрын

Depends on how low observable the Felon would actually turn out to be. Probably the Viper has a decent chance to pick it up. At minimum, AWACS would be able to, giving the Viper situational awareness so it can go defensive when needed and push when possible. If both exhaust their fox 3s and go to a merge I would imagine the Felon to have a notable advantage in a modern fox 2 dogfight though.

@ballslayer1310 Жыл бұрын

Damn nice video growling as always, I would love to see a Su-57 takes on everything just a recommendation

@h1mvr4 Жыл бұрын

Flying that low F-16 pilot must forgot about ground personal missile 😂 anyway your are a good pilot bro

@s3viking214 Жыл бұрын

two things I love about the F-16. the first one is the missile launch warning and the second one is the b betty Altitude Altitude

@drunknnirish Жыл бұрын

That F16 identified as an F-22.

@danrazART Жыл бұрын

what are you playing at? that was some monster level flying over terrain in a relatively high speed jet. you are a true ACE!!!

@johnbarleycorn699 Жыл бұрын

very cool flying !

@ew3612 Жыл бұрын

I keep meaning to check out the song in the tac view but its not in the description of the video. What is the songs name?

@saworieza Жыл бұрын

The way you fly growling ... im sure if given a witch broom and guns you'd still shoot down anything coming against you .. at least even in one round

@warbuzzard7167 Жыл бұрын

The F-16 is just positively dangerous. It truly is an "On Any Sunday" type of fighter.

@SrckyBoi Жыл бұрын

Nice video, as always. Only I don't think this much low flying would be possible in hostile territory since you would have large numbers of AAA shooting at you...

@Shintareth Жыл бұрын

Impressive! Most Impressive!!

@arxsebastian Жыл бұрын

Any chance seeing you do a furball video or a massive dogfight? I've been binging your videos and they're all bangers thank you.

@indycustommade3568 Жыл бұрын

You were flying so low on that town you actually lite a guys cigar sitting on the roof.

@whalehands4779 Жыл бұрын

It's not the Plane, it's the Pilot

@flyingdutchman8150 Жыл бұрын

Do a “2 4th gen fighters vs two or one 5th gen fighter”

@demscrazy6574 Жыл бұрын

That has already been done, i think it was an f-22 vs two sukhois or something like that.

@flyingdutchman8150 Жыл бұрын

@@demscrazy6574 uhm nah, i said two 4th gen fighters vs one 5th gen. the sukhoi is a 5th gen too...

@demscrazy6574 Жыл бұрын

@@flyingdutchman8150 the Sukhois are not fifth generation fighters. Genuinely speaking, this has already happened with the sukhoi su 35s vs an f-22 and the f-22 won I think

@flyingdutchman8150 Жыл бұрын

@@demscrazy6574 thought you meant the 57....

@demscrazy6574 Жыл бұрын

@@flyingdutchman8150 the 57 is more like a 4.5 generation fighter with only its reduced front cross section. The back looks like any old su-35. The f-22 on the other hand is an exceptional plane. It can super cruise above mach 1. It does not need afterburner on take off. It has the radar cross section of a bee. And it is incredibly maneuverable.

@fuzzysghostmodels9840 Жыл бұрын

It highlights how important a good pilot is. GS is a great one. The man is just as important as the machine.

@kamyabbahrami9931 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely great

@airforcerymer15 Жыл бұрын

GS with the absolute 🔥

@SolventtT Жыл бұрын

Bro is literally the definition of *"it's not the plane, it's the pilot"*

@Matterian Жыл бұрын

Way to go GS!!! That was an awesome fight and video

@brendanvetter9510 Жыл бұрын

“Aaaannd we just bagged ourselves a felon in an f16 viper” 😂

@acarrillo8277 Жыл бұрын

"A Snake in the Mountains" Sounds like a nightmare scenario.

@urbancoyote4840 Жыл бұрын

I fooken love this match up..

@ZTKki113R Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see you take the eurofighter mod out and do a BVR match against the f14. Meteor vs. AIM-54

@Motoguy94 Жыл бұрын

That was awesome 👌

@hermanlopez2945 Ай бұрын

Great job

@tzeffsmainchannel Жыл бұрын

0:32 nice camera/view!

@lacadora1 Жыл бұрын

This bout to be interesting

@creepycraiyons3519 Жыл бұрын

“Large amounts of terrain masking.” *Immediately masks terrain with body parts and debris.

@hazakdds7366 Жыл бұрын

As with so many engagements, it's not the gun, but the person who wields it.

@paez4779 Жыл бұрын

Boy that pilot must be shocked thinking he wasn't going to get shot down in a felon..

@bwysejudah16 Жыл бұрын

My favorite Jet Air Fighter the F-16 Viper

@yuugen2199 Жыл бұрын

8:20 I'm kinda new to all the combat in this game, If he looks down on you, couldn't you just try to notch the missiles the Felon fires until it doesn't have any more? Or maybe its radar is advanced to the point of being very hard to notch?

@johnclark6139 Жыл бұрын

it’s pretty tough to notch the newer stuff due to the improvement of radars these aircraft have. The tomcat and phoenix is easy to notch since they have old school pulse doppler radars that use relative motion to the radar to track. while we don’t have AESA radar yet in our DCS modules, the new stuff is just so much better than the old stuff at not getting confused by rapid changes in elevation or notching tactics. GS has shown that you *can* notch AAMRAM but it’s reeeeally tough to do, and if you don’t nail it at the perfect time, you’re dead.

@maxsteiner1964 Жыл бұрын

"That was some of the best flying I'v ever seen, right up to the point where you where killed" Wait, what?

@akwild83 Жыл бұрын

As much as a viper fan I am I don't see it winning this fight, but anything is possible

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

Ya you need some serious bullshit to win but it can be done.

@shveylien7401 Жыл бұрын

That's a discussion for on the ground.

@direwolf7491 Жыл бұрын

Awsome. Now you try it against the Raptor😉

@mandelorean6243 Жыл бұрын

The dichotomy of you vs su57 reminds me of exactly like archery elk hunting in the rut... You need to bait it in close enough to shoot it with an arrow, only by having someone far behind you making taunting aggressive bull calls.... They will bust you, end it by,whirring you 20x the distance you,need to win. But I guess more like a grizzly bear