5 AXIS BREAKOUT BOARD - MACH3 SETTINGS FOR SPINDLE RELAY AND PWM CONTROL

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5 AXIS BREAKOUT BOARD - MACH3 SETTINGS FOR SPINDLE RELAY AND PWM CONTROL

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5 AXIS BREAKOUT BOARD. MACH3 TESTED SETTINGS FOR SPINDLE RELAY AND PWM CONTROL.

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@ssafawmn1635 6 жыл бұрын

Useful setting information. Helped me get the PWM working correctly.

@Arckivio 6 жыл бұрын

I've spent 3 days, including one whole night trying to get this board to control spindle speed through mach3. These settings are different to all the other ones I've seen & tried. If they work for me tomorrow, I think I'm gonna cry

@nsa1773 6 жыл бұрын

archiearchie666 I first tried modifying my existing profile but mach3 got itself confused. I created a brand new profile and setup everything from the beginning. PWM worked fine with the new settings once I figured out the spindle pulley config. I hope it works out for you.

@MatheusWillian95 3 жыл бұрын

Melhor dos melhores vídeos

@lazmarface 4 жыл бұрын

Hello my friend. I recently bought a HY VFD 2.2Kw with a water cooled spindle of 2.2Kw too. I've placed all the right parameters in vfd and works fine from the on board potentiometer. Then I proceeded to establish the connection between this BoB using mach3 and the vfd. So I changed the parameters on vfd and now I can start and stop correctly the spindle and also to regulate the speed from mach3. But here I meet the big problem. Giving the high speed of 24000 rpm it gives me the right rpm to vfd. Also the voltage that time at 0-10v is around 9,48. When I start to decreasing the speed by Mach3 the vfd keep the same amount of rpm's until I reach at 60% of the initial speed. Then the vfd decreases the rpm around 21360 and keep going further down with mach3 it still decreasing the amount of rpm but not accordingly the percentage. And when I reach to almost zero rpm the spindle also stops. I changed a lot of different numbers at base PMW freq box but not big difference. Also in spindle pulley config I placed 24000 max rpm with 1 at ratio. Can you help me to solve my problem ? Thank you in advance.

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mario, first of all before connecting to the vfd check the output voltage of the Bob at the different mach3 spindle settings. 24000 should give approx 10v at 12000 should give approx 5v etc - check the Bob is working in a linear expected fashion. If the Bob is ok then it will be a parameter in your vfd. It may be setup for a 0-5v input hence the failure to change speed until You get to around 50-60%.

@lazmarface 4 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Hi again and thank you for your response. Unfortunatly the appropriate Pd parameter for 0-10 is correct set in vfd. In the afternoon when I'll be back I will check the voltage from Bob. I have to additional notice you that my pc is an old one and works at 25000Hz and as I read from mach3 manual placing 100 as base PWM freq, that should give me a range of 250 different speed regulations and that means 24000rpm/250 = 96 rpm every step. Unfortunately I don't have this resolution . Yet i hope so. If I find that the BoB's voltage is correct, is there a way you can help me to figure out how to solve this problem ?

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

Your vd also has 2 parameters for max and min analogue range which also scales the vfd output. Check pd0070? Is 0

@lazmarface 4 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Thank you for the notice. I'll check and I'll be back

@lazmarface 4 жыл бұрын

You were right about Pd070. I had placed 1 as the manual describing.Before the table of parameters shows the that we have to change the jumper switch from VR to VI and says to modify the parameter Pd002 and Pd070 to 1. But in the table of parameters shows that Pd070 1= 0-5 while 0= 0-10. So I change it and now the scaling works fine except that it doesn't reach even the 22000 rpm. Now with the connection on BoB I measured the voltage and I find it lower than 9 volts. I provide to BoB 12 volt from an old pc power supply. Do you think that I should raise the voltage up to 24 volt ?

@garystevens485 Жыл бұрын

How do I connect my spindle index sensor to the board?

@MrIonutz2008 4 жыл бұрын

Hi sir, i have the same bob which i plan to pair it with UC400ETH on my cnc router. Your video it's very informative and heplful but something is still unclear to me. So, in order to attach my 4 wires VFD to bob i will hook the DCM + FWD pins to bob's relay switch pins and AVI + ACM to 0 - 10v bob's pins and i should have Mach3 VFD control,right ? Now what happens to P1 (pwm) and P17 (relay) pins , have they got any or any other use ? Does the P17 get triggered together with the on board relay when you start spindle in Mach3 so i can use it to trigger an additional relay for hoover or spindle coolant ? What about the P1, what use can i have for it ? Thank you.

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

You have not told me what your vfd is but as you describe you connect you vfd input common and run input signal to the relay and your vfd analogue common and analogue input to the analogue output terminals on the Bob. Pin 1 from the parallel port is connected to the onboard analogue converter to provide the 0-10V analogue output. The pin 1 screw terminal is generally not utilised. With the onboard jumper connected, pin 17 is used by Mach 3 to switch the onboard relay on/off. The P17 screw terminal will simply mimic 0v or 5v corresponding with the on / off signal to the relay. You could use it to trigger another relay but you might overload the circuit so I would trigger another relay via a transistor or mosfet to boost the signal.

@MrIonutz2008 4 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Thank you for response, regarding P17 relay mode pin of course i intend to use it by sending it's 5v signal to a relay module like this www.amazon.co.uk/Akozon-Timer-Module-Adjustable-Switch/dp/B07H5MVMDQ . As for the VFD wiring, to be more explicite i have this picture uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/21e3e44d017cbbf652eab697afb11899.jpg . I don't know the make of my VFD board as it came as just a board located in the CNC control box but the terminal screws are the same with the ones in the picture and on my usb bob i have DCM + a choosen output pin set accordingly in Mach3 which does what the relay of this parallel bob would do, and the 0 - 10v hooked to ACM and AVI for pwm control. So, if this makes sense, i would like to have your oppinion as this might be helpful for many other users that can't manage to do the wiring properly. Regards, John.

@ftournier 4 жыл бұрын

I have a LS ig5a inverter I connect it as is the video, the spindle starts but it is turning at a minimum and I can not make the revolutions rise, will I miss some cable? I have it counted as follows, v1 -> 0-10v / CM-> relay / p2 -> relay

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

The pmw negative and one side of relay p17 should go to your cm terminal. PWM positive should go to v1 terminal and the other side of p17 to your p1 or p2 terminal. Before connecting to your vfd verify the Bob works first. Once you verify the Bob works, i.e. PWM voltage varies as expected with speed changes from the main screen then connect to your vfd. If the vfd does not not operate as expected then it is the parameter settings on your vfd. The vfd must be configured to respond to the potentiometer / analogue input. On your vfd the you also have to tell it to expect 0-10v signal not -10 to +10v and not current input.

@bobreichel 5 жыл бұрын

Im trying to use the spindle connections to turn on and off my plasma torch. Do i need to add a 12-24v dc external supply, also were in mach3 do i get it to recognize the spindle on/off. Would appreciate your help, thanks.

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

If you are using any of the inputs and want to use the pwm signal then you must provide both the 5v usb connection and a 12-24v connections from and external supply to the board. If you are just going to use the onboard relay to switch your plasma torch then no external supply is required. Just set the system up as per the video and connect the relay to the plasma on/off torch control of your system. Operating the spindle on/off on the main plasm screen will trigger the relay also sending m3 commands will trigger the relay on and an m5 command will turn the relay off.

@bobreichel 5 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 thanks

@madjidgan4111 3 жыл бұрын

thank's man

@user-uu4sj6gd2b 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot

@TinkeringJohn 5 жыл бұрын

My board always shows 10v and the relay buzzes if the speed is not near maximum. The spindle will run only when the speed is turned up and only goes at maximum rpm. I have everything set like the video shows. I have a 12000rpm air cooled spindle. It worked fine when I had it connected to a different controller board (USB) using an output to control an external relay to turn the spindle on and off. I switched to this parallel board because the other had erratic behavior running some vb scripts.

@TinkeringJohn 5 жыл бұрын

Update. The relay turns on and off normally now (???), but the spindle only runs at max rpm no matter where I set the rpm at. Before with the other board, the PWMBase Freq was at 5. I tried it at different settings and it doesn’t make any difference. I have it set at 100 as the instructions shows.

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, in ports and pins the spindle should be assigned to pin 1 this is where the PWM signal will be sent. Output1 should be assigned to pin 17 to switch the relay on / off. Set the pulley as 1.52 in the video. On the main mach3 page enter / type a spindle speed value first in the box. This value can be up to the maximum value set in the pulley setup. If you have setup pulley 1 to 24000 and enter 12000 in the spindle speed box then 5v should be output when the spindle turned on. The slider should then work. My system did not work until I realised a value must be entered on the main screen spindle speed. If you still have problems I will setup a board here at the weekend and retest.

@TinkeringJohn 5 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Hi and thanks for the help. I had everything set up correctly but didn't know about having to enter a spindle speed value on the main screen. I tried the M3, S(speed) and M5 commands in the MDI screen and they worked, so even if I couldn't control the speed with the slider or +/- buttons, my g code programs would have worked properly. Also the slider was working backwards, so I had to change that setting too, so maybe the G code would not have worked correctly. Thanks again!

@camilojazzfernandes 6 жыл бұрын

hahaha... was an imbecile ... and this opened my brain ... hahaha .. profound ... hehehe

@Lc-wi3wk 4 жыл бұрын

Hello... Just a doubt... P1 on the board is PWM to be used with this: PWM MACH3 Spindle Governor

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

In this configuration P1 outputs the actual PWM frequency. P1 is not normally connected to anything. P1 is used on the board to control the 0-10v output which is normally used to control the vfd.

@Lc-wi3wk 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks,

@mightyweapon 2 жыл бұрын

hey mate, would you happen to know where to get the dll files for these types of boards? i ordered a red square rnr motion board as i have used before and waqs sent a bl-v1.1, ill just use it as its for a simple cnc machine, i have the rnr dll file, does it work on this board? cheers

@nsa1773 2 жыл бұрын

The board in this video does not require any special driver files only the generic parallel driver in mach3. I am not familiar with the red rare board I would look for a cnc forum or user group who may have come across the issue.

@umargul5644 3 жыл бұрын

Greater

@mandarpatil9400 5 жыл бұрын

Please Help!!! I'm using the same board I'm having problem with the vfd connections to board. I have connected fwd and dcm to first two pins. The 0-10v and acm to last two pins. But there is a +10v supply coming from vfd. Do I need to connect that supply to my board? And if so then where? Can you please reply cause i'm not finding any of this information anywhere. @NSA

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

What inverter model are you using?

@mandarpatil9400 5 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Delta vfd m 1.5kw model

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Your DCM and FWD connections from the inverter go to the P17 relay connections on the breakout board as you said, orientation does not matter. Your drive ACM connection to the breakout board PWM negative terminal and your drive AVI terminal to the breakout board PWM positive connection. You do not need any other connections from the drive. You then need to change your drive parameters to use external control and external analogue control (00-20 to 2 and 00-21 to 1?) Check your vfd manual. Other settings may have to be changed later to match your spindle!

@mandarpatil9400 5 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Thanks for your help😄 I really appreciate it. I have set the parameters in vfd and i can control my spindle with mach3 interface. I have a new different problem now, When I start the spindle it triggers a limit switch. And I have checked no limit switch is physically triggered at that time. I think this maybe due to noise problem. I have used shielded wires for most of my limit switch wiring but not for vfd. What do you think may be causing this? Any solution? Would really appreciate your help again.

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

It is important to use shielded cable also on your spindle wiring suitably rated of course. Connect all the shield ends to a single earth/ground connection at your panel. Only connect shields at one end of the cable to prevent ground loops. If possible keeps signal cables and vfd cables seperated in trunking / panel / ducting.

@jonaslinchangco824 5 жыл бұрын

Hello There! is there anyway you can help me wire a plasma torch? i have the same board

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Please send more info on your problem. If the plasma torch just requires an on off signal then it can be wired just to the spindle relay.

@vijaymecheng 2 жыл бұрын

Dear sir, Once i click to enable the spindle motor out for PWM.then start the spindle by MDI (M03) its run but i would like to stop the spindle put M05 the spindle not stopped its rotate continuously what is the configuration problem sir

@nsa1773 2 жыл бұрын

What is your vfd?. Can you post wiring diagram bob to vfd and your mach3 config file somewhere to view. What version of mach3 are you using V3.043.066, laptop or pc? Which version of Windows?

@vijaymecheng 2 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Hi its working thank you for your valuable reply and # one important doubt sir..how to configuration for 8station motorized turret. My turret have two sensors one for reference tool no-1 and another one for count so kindly help me sir

@nsa1773 2 жыл бұрын

@@vijaymecheng Turrets / 8 station ATC’s usually require some kingdom of macro in mach3. I believe many have been written and posted on the mach3 forum site. Also I have previously come across this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/et-Tgrdm0M_DZok.html

@RBimas37 4 жыл бұрын

How to use the spindle, when I am using all 5 axis? (pin 16 and 17 used by B axis)

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

If you are using all five axis then you can’t use a single board to control the spindle. You can fit a second parallel interface to your machine and use a second breakout board. Mach 3 can be used to control both boards. Use the inbuilt parallel port for the main axis drive and the second board just for spindle control. Alternatively you can used a multi port motion controller card (usb or Ethernet controlled).

@RBimas37 4 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Thanks for the reply. Sounds like a flawed design... What If I use a 6 axis mach3 bob, are the 5 axis usable together with the spindle on the same board then?

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

Knowing Belief, it is not a flawed design, there is only a limited amount of inputs and outputs on a parallel port therefore this is the limitation. You can pick up another parallel board and a second bob quite cheaply and use the second bob for the spindle as stated earlier. An Ethernet 6 axis motion controller card is just a buffer with twin parallel ports - you still need two bob’s with this i.e. eth400.

@benamarcnc6078 5 жыл бұрын

HI When i use mach3 boeard interface with 5axis how i can active relay

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

You can only use the onboard relay if you require no more than 4 axis. If you are using all five axis you cannot use the onboard relay. If you require more outputs you would have to add a second parallel port to your pc or use an ethenet motion controller UC400eth which provide 2 paralle ports.

@ZONAEDINSON 5 жыл бұрын

amigo como agrego un modul relay alla breakout bard

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

What do youi mean module relay, please give more detail on what you ar trying to do? I have a video showing a second relay at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edSliJR1zNHNgoU.html

@Lc-wi3wk 5 жыл бұрын

Hello... Again.. I made just like in your video but the spindle won't go more then 7200rpm.. Turns on but always in 7200.. Any ideas? VFD config... Thanks

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Hi did you verify the 0-10v is changing before connecting anything to your inverter. Once you are happy the config works then connect to your spindle. The vfd settings usually need changing to accept external control / analogue control. If current set for onboard pot or vfd keypad then config needs changing. What vfd are you using.

@Lc-wi3wk 5 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 The vfd is Huanyang 220v - 1500W The wiring is: 0 - 10v in vfd is: ACM GND in vfd is: VI Relay: The first pin of the bob in vfd is: FWD The second pin in bob in vfd is: DCM When I measure with no connection to vfd I have 10.03v nothing more. After connected has 9.79v the other 2 wire has 23.72v. The connection is 5v from usb and 12v from power supply. And the config of vfd. PD001 and PD002 is set to: 1

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Lc1975 9.79v is close enough to the maximum 10v output and may be correct due to any difference in the boards. Have you tested this voltage varies when you adjust the spindle speed on the Mach 3 main screen. Set the pulley first as 1min 51 in the video then set a speed on the main screen as the next part of the video. If you set 24000 on the pulley and then set 24000 on the main screen 10v will be output, when 12000 is then set on the main screen 5v is output. The actual speed is actually dependant on your spindle and vfd settings. What vfd do you have? Get the board working first then concentrate on the vfd.

@Lc-wi3wk 5 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 Pulley 1 Min: 7200 Max: 24000 Ratio: 1 If i start in bob with 7200rpm it has 10.04v then 12000rpm it has 6.48v at 24000rpm it has 138.2mv

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

@@Lc-wi3wk Check / Uncheck the reverse box in the pulley settings to correct the 0-10v direction! Check for two parameters in the vfd "motor frequency for 0v input and motor frequency for 10v input these should coreect your spindle speeds. I will download your manual later today and look a the settingss

@touseef5864 5 жыл бұрын

Please anybody tell me how spindle work anticlockwise because my spindle work only clockwise. I am using this breaker board

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

The break out board contains a relay which is used for turning the spindle on or off. The direction is controlled directly by the spindle inverter. The inverter will contain parameters which can be changed to change the normal running direction of the spindle. It is also normally possible to add a single pole switch wired to the correct control terminal of the inverter. With the switch contact open the spindle will run one way and closed the spindle will run the opposite way. Again some parameters in the inverter will need changing to allow control via the control terminals and not the keypad. It is not normal to require direction control of the spindle but I do not no your application! Consult the inverter manual.

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Additional info. The board only has one relay hence the advice above. Mach3 does have the option to setup in ports and pins output 2 to any unused output pin - i.e pin 16. You would have to wire your own relay 5v relay (with back emf protection) to pin 16 and ground and connect the contacts to your inverter direction control input. In the spindle setup screen / relay control, set ccw M4 to output #2 and you should be able to operate the direction by M4 commands in your code. I have not used this setup so trial and error may be required.

@smithandsmith1235 5 жыл бұрын

Hello sir, how to configure 5axis in mach3 software.

@nsa1773 5 жыл бұрын

Smithandsmith 123 at 1:06 in video enable axis B check the PIN numbers match your breakout board, the ones shown are correct for this board. Ensure the jumper is set correctly relay disabled.

@ISRAELRAVELO_ISEKO 6 жыл бұрын

Wao it is my board, i cant control the spindle, can you helpme please, can i send you my board picture?

@nsa1773 6 жыл бұрын

Youcan send me picture of your board and details of your setup.

@ISRAELRAVELO_ISEKO 6 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 thanks, can you giveme your email for send you the picture

@nsa1773 6 жыл бұрын

ISRAEL RAVELO.. Please send to pceq@hotmail.com

@ISRAELRAVELO_ISEKO 6 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773 ok i sending it, thanks

@joshlambier1513 6 жыл бұрын

+ISRAEL RAVELO I have found that 2 out of 3 of these boards that I purchased had the wrong components placed in the PWM circuit. They had placed resistors where there was supposed to be capacitors and had other resistors with wrong values. These errors mess up the regulator which generates the 10 volts. I had purchase one of these bad boards over 18 months ago, so it looks like very poor quality control. The two bad boards were blue, but the good board was green.

@freehawk5640 4 жыл бұрын

can i connect leasr with this board

@nsa1773 4 жыл бұрын

You can use this board and stepper drivers to move a laser head / laser mirror axis if your software generate the correct code commands. Controlling the power of the laser may be feasible with the PWM facility. There are dedicated laser compatible hardware options available which may be better.

@freehawk5640 4 жыл бұрын

@@nsa1773thank you