Same

Ok

Darkdove3 Missed opportunity

Tru

agreed

Could somebody explain this?

@@xCorvus7x The naming structure for most of Dzeef's videos are "Commentators Don't Understand (*Insert Video Topic Here*)". So since this is a video where Dzeef doesn't understand something, he titled it differently, but missed the chance to use his usual naming conventions.

It is a banned card or atleast i remember it being banned

@@emeris. "5 Banned Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards I Can't Believe Existed"

When it was created milling wasn't a benefit.

@@JoseMolina-yn6ku Just asking, been years since i've played. If you mill, you discharge your hand and draw the same number of cards? Kinda like card destruction or something else?

@@rsbandbj1 nah just dump cards from your deck

And that what killed a god...

@@slynthehedgehog8061 it was that and the infinite cards magic card because you was able to hold more than seven cards without having to discard

Then imagine having 3 of those. +9 every special summon from the graveyard.

Phenomenal Games it’s also how infinite loops became a thing lol

And it was also when a monster is special summoned from either player's GY not just yours. Card of Safe return was ridiculously op in anime. The only drawback that it had compared to the OCG/TCG was that drawing cards wasn't optional but that isn't really a drawback.

Duel links is played with 20. If your deck has more you're either lightsworn or trolling

@@calarakien gem knight, magnets, bujin, stall decks, cyber dragon... yes its low tier decks but its fun to duel with

@@marcelocandioto785 most of those can play 20 cards

Dragunity be like

Yes, you are

Agreed 10000%!!

i miss the card i remember playing with it and all of our nicknames for decks with the engine we called race to "blank"

I'm sure someone's used Chicken Game's effect to destroy itself because they didn't want to deal with it.

@@timaeus22222 I used it to draw a card from my deck then pop it the duck you mean?

@@nonstopnoble4397 you can only use one effect if I'm not mistaken. So if you use the effect to draw you can't use the effect to destroy itself

@@melancholicthinker9291 You can pay 6000 life to draw 6 cards, then pay 1000 life to destroy Chicken Game. Nowhere does it say you can't activate it's effect more than once per turn.

That at least makes sense for early Yugioh where there weren't many special summoning options.

Fiber jar is far more op lol. Your point is valid though; all of the early jar cards should be on the list.

Cyber Jar was pretty much solely responsible for the creation of the dreaded Empty Jar strategy. (*shudder*)

@@AxisChurchDevotee Not in the original build. Morphing Jar was the main win condition after Cyber Jar got banned. I mean, they played Morphing Jar in the original build as well, which is kind of confusing, but the original *combo* was to use Cyber Jar over and over again to make your opponent's hand huge, then activate Card Destruction and chain Serial Spell to make them deck out.

Cyber Jar isn't that good anymore given the fact its a flip monster which makes it too slow and vulnerable to destruction

Alden S Jones o think he went with options 101-105 because the top 100 where all firewall dragon. I think he made that choice because he doesn’t want to be a predictable person.

You forgot *F I R E W A L L D R A G O N*

"konami didn't know what they were doing back then" obviously since painful choice konami didn't learn anything

FlamingViCTiM you missed it. You really did.

@@BatmannotBruceWayne1 sorry, i thought it would be obvious, that i search for my 5 copies of firewall dragon with painful choice

I actually loved painful choice 🤣🤣

Lmao

Yup cause bakugan sucks cock

@@GodBroly Yes. Now it "sucks cock." But Bakugan was my shit back in the days.

@@darkusxeddiejr559 it was THE shit back in the day

@@PurpleEyedMint Bakugan is in the best shape it's ever been in. The only reason it doesn't strive is because there's no nostalgia factor backing it up. The kids who grew up with it don't care about it, and players of other TCG don't care about it, but in my honest opinion, it's a fantastic game and has truly developed into a good TCG. I play it all the time with my friends and brothers (mind you, I'm the one who supplies the other players) and we have a blast each time. The old version of the game was... okay. But Battle Planet? On point.

@@GodBroly actually its really good

Walter Black this but unironically

@@IamIK3 i mean you're not wrong

This is going to be a collab with Farfa from the banlist channel

bruh why you gotta do xxx like that he forehead longer than the earth

what

"Let's play a friendly game of Yugioh!" *flips Fiber Jar* "JUST KIDDING LAWL"

Fiber Jar + 2-3 Serpentine Princess + Injection Fairy Lillies. Used to play this strategy for some time before Fiber was banned and IFL was limited. Got the combo off on a regular basis, too. Was fun, but took some time to set up, while stalling your opponent, though. Gravity Bind and Messenger of Peace were your friends in this deck.

Glad to hear Fiber Jar hit the ban list. I used to play tournaments in the late 00's but the day that card was flipped against me was when I started losing interest. So you get to clear the entire field, and then reset yours however you want it, while I have no chance to respond? Went home really pissed that day, and started thinking about new hobbies.

Plaguespreader is a +2 lmao

I looked back at the release dates of the episodes and the cards and at least Dimension Fusion and Painful Choice debuted in the anime at least a year after the ocg release. I think those were examples of the anime using pre-existing cards. I doubt that's the case for Card of Safe Return so I didn't bother but yeah. Also this doesn't prove that Konami invented those 2 cards and that the anime added them to the show because I don't know about how far back the scripts, concepts and ideas dated. Also to note, we can't reference the manga because these appeared in anime filler arcs.

@@yugiohdeloestepr Return from the different dimension, card of safe return and dimension fusion were the cards I was refferencing but I guess dimension fusion was wrong.

@@martynkalendar Oh thought you were referencing Painful Choice. In the case of Return from the Different Dimension, it's a both anime+TCG thing, they both happened at the same time.

@@yugiohdeloestepr I grew up watching the anime and getting into the TCG at the same time. The first time you notice the shift in the anime really pushing existing cards (particularly newly released sets) was during the Noah saga, which at the time was the release of Legacy of Darkness. Noah's duel was basically an advertisement for spirit monsters lol. Ever since then the anime continued that trend of pushing the new cards instead of the reverse where the earlier cards were based off the anime.

Check out Azneyeswhitedragon's video on why people quit yugioh. He was trying to mess around with the new malefics, and his opponent ended his first turn with 4 negates on field and 6 cards in hand.

Dexxus Difference is: his example has you playing one card that can’t be used with anything else besides its normal effect to counter a single card while handtraps combat a larger variety and can fit in with an archetype, such as ash blossom and salads Both being fire and so many handtraps being zombies and tuners. Handtraps aren’t answers to a specific card, they have a diverse option to stop plays, playing sphere mode can be a hit or miss for some decks, while ash can hit almost everything

Commenters dont understand overused jokes.

Snob YGO Player We know the joke is overused, we simply just don’t care

Not to mention summoning something like Jowgen the Spirtualist outright makes you win off of Last Turn. Poor card design for sure

Ahem* Clashing Souls

With Last Turn the worst was the forcing of draws, the ruling surrounding this "Special battle Phase" that was to occur with its effect and how it interacted with cards on the field during and after the resolution of that card. Also, the monster selected by the opponent does still have to be playable under regular special summoned circumstances. Meaning you can't select monsters that have a special requirement to summon them.

Yugioh is already like that now, except instead of who has the highest atk, it's who can otk first. There will always be a separation between those obsessed with winning and those who actually enjoy the game.

"just about literally who has the highest atk monster in their deck" And that's why Kaiba used it.

Sixth sense yes it did for the ocg but fun fax they never got to play it was one of the cards that said can't be play lol

@@peteryanes9339 To add to your point, it was pure money grubbing (Konami only added sixth sense to the Joey legendary duelist set, just to sell them and make a quick buck in the TCG). Once the money was made, a quick emergency ban for sixth sense followed... disgusting!.

LegendaryAntiHero so Konami didn’t think is what you’re saying

Really at the beginning of the game traps were made to disrupt and react to your opponents plays such as Trap Hole, Mirror Force, Negate Attack, etc. So originally it wouldn't help much except activate a Reinforcements, or something on your turn.

Daniel Brown Ok... I didn’t play during that time but being able to use reckless greeds, jar of greeds etc is so op first turn

@@blitzcam yes, but konami was stupid

Yeah but he was legal for like a week and I don't think Spirit Exchange was even out at that point

Anton Wilzewski or is soul charge more like soul fusion? (^:

Funny pun, but that card having Fusion in its name makes it searchable to boot! :o

@@autobotstarscream765 not at the time, but now yeah. That card did some degenerate shit when it was legal

*DISCOUNT Soul Charge It only cost you 2000 for up to 5 monsters

Also didnt have unable attack drawback

Yes it did most ppl don't know that

both game works with resurces and very hard restrction yugioh ist just a broken mess of cards who konami can do every bullshit and people will buy it

Mr Zark they were back then, back in the day these cards were something else, back when the game was simple to play.

Basically requires someone to run Kaiju's or utilise whatever Master peace isnt immune to leading to situational moments

Nerfed a lot

lmao let me just put needlebug nest into my dangers to mill them. That's not how dangers work mate.

@@declan7551 it days discard though...

Wasn't Card of safe return just created to kill Slifer?

Why was that grass looks greener not on here

@@walldoser33 There's a card with that name out there?

Yeah that were it gets into the bad sportsmanship. As in OCG you can only give up during your turn. Which I guess they could make the TCG have that rule. But that would create a questionable problem with slow playing. Doing combos to slow play. Because your able to do that. And letting a duel be over before the next turn or risk losing a match to an extremely hard to summon monster that only effect is it can make you not play an Extra game. I think for Konami to see if it possible they require more judges so it reduce player abuse with slow play. And to have test effects of things that work on outside the current game being played. Since match winning cards are they only ones that do that. So LP or additional summons might be the starting and testing point.

wait, did i read its effect right? you win the MATCH and not just the duel? so if it wins you the first of a bo3, you have 2 wins?

@@trollomane yes that's why it's such a problematic card

why would they even print something like that? next they print something that lets you take money from your opponents bank account.

@@trollomane the thing is they did that many other times, but those other times arent tourney or casual legal

Magical Exodia Igknight FTK

Nox Eath I think you’re referring to eradicator epedimic Virus

Nox Eath that’s what the eradicator one was to be . Also a joke

That card that went back to 3 in the OCG and nobody cared?

@@matthiasweaver7810 It's the card that keep sky striker still meta relevant in Ocg, if not for it sky striker would be completely dead, also ocg players suck

@@longvo8800 ehm which player Wins ofter worlds

@@matthiasweaver7810 people really don't get how different the metas are

re MTG: supposedly, the idea would be that you'd only have a few of the really rare ones overall within each playgroup in an area, as the idea that it would become *the* game played in game shops would have seemed ridiculous.

Was a fun combo, along with my FJ, Serpentine Princess, and Injection Fairy Lilly deck. Both annoyed my friends and others - the sign of the best decks out there! I never really played a deck to always win, my main focus - other than constantly trying new combinations and strategies for the heck of it - was to always play a deck that was different from the current meta and had the added benefit of annoying my opponents as much as possible. If the deck won, so much the better, and if it trashed the popular meta decks, better yet. Always hated the idea that was so prevalent at the time that you had to be playing this or that deck to be any good or to win the tourney. Ran into so many 'players' that belittled and derided those that didn't play the most recent popular decks, and then ranted and raved when they played those decks and lost to the oddball strategy of someone who didn't play those decks, then rage quit. It was like watching 3 year olds having a fit because they didn't get their favorite toy (and sometimes, the 3-year olds had better self control than the older people that I played). After watching that for a couple of years, along with the direction that Konami was taking the game, I decided to quit the 'game' altogether. The enjoyment was no longer there, as there was no longer any 'dueling', it all began to show the signs of play everything you have on turn 1 or two, otherwise the deck is too slow and thus useless. There is no more true back and forth, just who goes first, then wins on the first or second turn. No enjoyment in that kind of game. At least with something like MtG, there is a resource cost, thus forcing the game to slow down to where both players actually face each other.

Cameron No still abused. You play it in a deck that special summons from Gy a lot and boom, free profit. Mayakashi would abuse this hard.

Not to mention terraforming being basically another upstart. 31 card decks!

@@AxisChurchDevotee the ocg doesnt see the card game the same way the tcg does. In the tcg, people want consistency and do so by drawing as many cards as possible to get to what you need/want. In the ocg, from what Ive heard, they would rather play more outs than to try and get to a specific out and thus play blind draw spells less than we do because they simply dont need them at that point.

@@AxisChurchDevotee both strategies make sense. For the ocg, you are more likely to get an out if you have like 6-9 of them, but its often weaker than other options, whereas in the tcg you may or may not get to 1 of the 3 copies from drawing 5+ cards.

YuseiTheSynchroHero yet if it was at 1 nothing would happen

@@connordurham4289 I mean... you can say that about a LOT of cards on that F&L list tbh.

YuseiTheSynchroHero true true

The idea of restarting the duel has seen some variants, like restarting your hand with magical mallet, reload, and phantazmay, resetting Gy with lazion and exodius, resetting banished with necroface, and a fiber jar like card exists, but neither player draws any cards, it’s literally a shuffle everything and a 3500 beatstick with I believe no interruption. Only problem is you need to shuffle 10 cards with different names from your hand or field into the deck, so not the easiest to pull off.

Cockadoodledoo

It must have been some good shit.

these are badly designed cards rather than broken cards. Todays cards are broken with a wall of effects.

They kinda weren't. Kazuki Takahashi was.

A lot of these weren't nearly as good when they came out, poorly designed yes, but not broken, excluding Chicken Game

Game is really fun in a balanced goat format.

WarLordTv Nope, it’s a waste of a normal summon. Even if it’s sided, it can get raged or roared

@@theonethathungers5552 you didn't understand.. Most of the salams are fire type monsters, so nothing is wasted here.you can normal summon it by way more ways..

Could have been a trap, to be in line with the other virus cards

Klondike Legitski I look for these comments everyday

It's not Konami that writes the anime series, they have different staff

@@alessandramaria00 true but regardless they choose what gets printed

Out of all the cards in this video, only Cards of Safe Return is from the manga.

Alex Mercer I think​ they just figured it wouldn't see much play, since with most decks (where you have to deal damage to win) you'd need to be at a huge disadvantage to use it. I think they just overlooked how unfair it was in decks with other win conditions. Either way I'm glad it's gone now

its always neat to have a card that has the effect:"roll a die. you win no matter what you roll"

That's what I thought! Man, there was a video a few weeks ago where a commenter roasted me for saying Upstart and Chicken Game were both at 3 for a little while. I knew I was right

Dont forget Pseudo Space and 3 Terraforming for even more consistency

@@Dzeeff monarch ftk topped an event in early 2016 with it

Dzeeff doesn’t understand banlist history

remember magical explosion ftk with chicken game? 3 upstart and 6 chicken game = 9000 life difference, so equalizer was live and they were all spells to make it more deadly than it needed to be.

OCG has always cared less about draw power in the TCG. It's actually a really interesting difference between players of the two formats

Dzeeff doesn't understand Chicken Game

Ocg players suck, they have no creativity

Well, they have pot of avarice at 3 there too, OCG players are just crazy.

How do OCG players not just run 3 of every draw card? It seems so weird.

Nah same reason you can't search defusion wave motion(not that you would want to)

John Blonde you can I looked up the ruling because it has exactly fusion in its name and not anything else

@@giantl9196 oh well I will eat crow then. Glad the cards banned then

I ran into so many people that think D Fusion should come back cuz they think its not a problem to the game, showed them what spell economic e dragons looked like and they changed their minds lol

Painful choice had already been baanned before dark world was really a thing

Please tell me this is satire