5 Levels of Realization

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5 Levels of Realization

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9 жыл бұрын

The same bass realized in five different levels of complexity and artistry. This was a test video for the youTube channel "Child Composers in the Old Conservatories," which contains 100 videos. If you liked this channel, you will probably like "Child Composers" too. For musicians interested in challenging material, extensive old lessons and manuscripts can be found at Partimenti.Org.

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@loydockery2834 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video! 1. Consonant chords 2. Suspensions 3. Passing tones 4. Imitation 5. Mastery - Consonances are from the Rule of the Octave & dissonances are not. - Passing tones and neighbor tones mostly occur on weak beats, sometimes strong beats. - Suspensions always occur on strong beats. On a related note, 10 ways of dealing with dissonance include the passing tone (PT), accented passing tone (>PT), neighbor tone (NT), accented neighbor tone (>NT), anticipation (Ant.), escape tone (ET), appogiatura (App.), suspension (Sus.), retardation (Ret.), and changing tones (CT) [I stole this list from a website to help understand the diminiutions better]

@pc9467 2 жыл бұрын

This is great Loy Dockery, what are the basics I need to know before getting into partimenti? I would very much like to start learning but need to know what music theory I must know for sure before I get into. Could you give me some starting points? Many thanks

@cesar_8336 4 жыл бұрын

You taught people more than music composition today.

@RaptInReverie 9 жыл бұрын

This was brilliant! Please consider uploading more videos on the subject.

@emanuel_soundtrack 4 жыл бұрын

unfortunately he doesn’t do more videos. I have similar material on my channel, take a look ;) or considering joing to my course emanuelmagalhaesfroes.com/courses/art-of-harmony-i-barroque/unfortunately he doesn’t do more video

@maniak1768 3 жыл бұрын

Best ASMR video ever.

@jazzeffectgroup8372 2 жыл бұрын

"remember, counterpoint happends in the mind"... I almost cried with this. Thank you!

@andreselrancio 4 жыл бұрын

i dont have friends because partimento

@rorshack23 3 жыл бұрын

You are a hero

@BachtotheBasics 3 жыл бұрын

This is basically how harmony is taught in France. You begin by harmonizing figured basses and unfigured melodies with just chords - no non-harmonic tones. Once you learn to effectively utilize all chords (triads, 7th chords, 9th chords, and all the inversions of these chords), non-harmonic tones are added into the mix. Then you move on to imitative writing (fugues, canons, etc.) and finally, free composition.

@ravelian 2 жыл бұрын

could you recommend some books or resources you would consider the best for taking such an approach to studying harmony?

@epicduckrex994 Жыл бұрын

@@ravelian Kalkbrenner: Harmonielehre. op 190

@Whatismusic123 Жыл бұрын

@@ravelianbenezer prout's harmony treatise teaches with the same method. And he wrote arguably the greatest set of treatises a student could learn from.

@Ekvitarius Жыл бұрын

Harmony counterpoint and partimento by Job Ijzerman

@aberneuten5443 7 жыл бұрын

Excellent. I agree with the others, please consider adding more videos.

@emanuel_soundtrack 4 жыл бұрын

@maxin7036 Жыл бұрын

Realizing music theory is beautiful

@garrettmichaelgeorge7940 5 жыл бұрын

Beautiful video-thank you very much for this and all of your other work on bringing the Partimenti tradition to this generation. This is very inspiring.

@6463538 7 жыл бұрын

What a fascinating video and topic, thank you for sharing your knowledge.

@rorshack23 3 жыл бұрын

Note to Self: 2:12 (Level 0: The Bass) 5:05 (Using chords from 'the rule of the octave') 7:23 (Added 'suspensions' to above example) 9:22 (Adding passing tones to the previous example) 10:39 (Adding Imitations to the previous example) 11:56 (Mastery - Bach example with our bass, etc) 12:28 (Process of successive refinement - Illustration)

@alexanderbayramov2626 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@millennial8441 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@gabriel_kyne Жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting these!!

@Masterslam999 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent way to introduce and encourage creative realization!

@jorgealbertopitari6351 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Regards from Buenos Aires...!!!

@dominicesteban3174 9 жыл бұрын

Remarkable. Thank you.

@saskiaroures9387 9 жыл бұрын

Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ!! BWV 639 :-) Thanks a lot!!! It would be wonderful to have more videos like this one. Congratulations!!

@karlrovey 3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was when seeing just the bass line. Hearing level 3 confirmed it.

@uhoh007 3 жыл бұрын

A lonely video, but a great one. Thank you so much for making Partimenti accessible to us modern orphans. Your child composer channel is outstanding and your website is a feast, getting richer all the time.

@ChildComposers 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Let me know if their are other materials I might have that you would like posted. P.S. I receive no funds at all from youTube, and everything at partimenti.org is free for anyone to copy or distribute.

@MrTuvtuv 7 жыл бұрын

super video!

@ronniecbx6210 2 жыл бұрын

Great vídeo...

@Bamblagram 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome.

@ryanlock2u 2 жыл бұрын

It took me way too long to realize this was Ich ruf zu dir

@selfreferentialhumor 8 жыл бұрын

I agree with the rest of the commenters, this is amazing :)

@edwinkaye1625 4 жыл бұрын

Level 4, bar 3 beat 3 F-C, beat 3+ Ab-Eb and beat 4 G-D in the right hand all feel and sound like parallels to me. I know they're separated by 16th notes but it just feels wrong. Anyone feel the same?

@neilwalsh3977 5 жыл бұрын

I'm working on bringing back continuo style to composition. I must compose!

@ivanmamede 4 жыл бұрын

Good! I'm trying it too, but I have many things to study.

@mestremusico 9 ай бұрын

What you call a suspension is actually an appoggiatura.

@ChildComposers 9 ай бұрын

"Actually" is an odd word to use when naming patterns of tones. Eighteenth-century suspensions are often indicated by ties, but also are often "rearticulated." That is, the preparatory consonance sounds on a weak beat, then is repeated ("rearticulated") on the following strong beat, and then resolved a step lower. Appoggiaturas are not subject to those constraints. The mark of a suspension is not the tie but the entire three-part pattern of metrical stress and consonance/dissonance.

@Vextrove 2 жыл бұрын

I have my doubts about this approach. For example, the suspensions are added as an afterthought rather than always having been intended to be part of the melody. Similar arguments can be made for the other steps. All of these additional steps hinder you from just writing a melody directly and making the melodies themselve work, regardless of chord progressions or suspensions or the like. They are not the most important thing, and not what you should start with. Though I do agree that having a good bassline is an excellent first step! I am tempted to say that generally, creating melodies by modifying and altering "block chords" is rarely ever a good idea

@johnsteven6273 3 жыл бұрын

I would have a minor disagreement with the idea that Bach added the chorale tune over the bass. Bach would have started with the chorale tune and created the bass to harmonize the tune. I don't think this was a pre-existing partimento bass to which Bach added the chorale tune.

@ChildComposers 3 жыл бұрын

You are correct on all counts. I apologize if I unintentionally gave the impression that Bach began with this bass or that he knew this bass as a partimento. The demonstration was only to show that at the upper levels of artful realization the results can be nearly indistinguishable from actual musical artworks. I also thought it would be presumptuous to present something of my own at the "master level."

@johnsteven6273 3 жыл бұрын

in @@ChildComposers It could be a source of new partimenti to extract bass parts from other chorale preludes, work out possible realizations and then compare them to what Bach had started with as harmony for the chorale. It might help to conceptualize some unique figures to place over bass lines that might not ordinarliy occur to one.

@ChildComposers 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnsteven6273 Agreed. The book Child Composers in the Old Conservatories documents this practice at the Paris Conservatory as late as the 1920s, and the 1848 treatise on partimenti by Hippolyte Colet prints a dozen Bach preludes to serve as models for realization. Pedagogically speaking, many Bach materials have a degree of diminution that will confuse and confound a beginner but amaze and delight a more advanced student.

@goodcyrus 2 жыл бұрын

Are we to imagine any composer in their right mind would start with that utterly unmusical bass line? Or could it be that he started with a highly reduced bare-bones version of that and added all those repeats later after the other parts were realized?

@goodcyrus 2 жыл бұрын

Ok, I see your response to John Stevens below which explains it. I think many Bach bass lines can be reduced to bare bones that can be treated as partimenti exercises.