I've always loved the look on the horse's face for the Cyclopede, like it's already thinking "how do they expect me to be as good as these steam machines, seriously guys?"

You’ve been through the 5 stages of grief with British Rail

S160 prooves that american engines actually look good when they have buffers. And it's clearly not a worst trains without atleast 1 diesel part of the modernization plan.

the class 50 was not a failure though, they are still in use by preserved railways with a pair loaned and used by Freight company GBRF who keep them in pristine condition unlike most of their other locos. The class 50 also has a HUGE number of fans among UK railway enthusiasts who fawn all over them.

Fun fact about the S160: they were equipped with a "self destruct valve" which would drain all water from the boiler and shut off water supply from the tender in case of the locomotives being "borrowed" by enemy forces. Once opened, the valve could not be closed. Seems they never had to use it, as they ended up blowing up anyway...

I'd love to see a '5 Best locomotives designed by British Rail' video just to show that they did occasionally get something right, usually by accident. (Class 7 Britannia, Standard Class 9F, Class 37, 47, HST were all very very good, 37s 47s and HSTs still just about in service)

BR is slowly killing HITD as he is forced by his viewers to discuss how shitty their locomotives were back then.

I'd love to see a series where you focus on the experimental locomotives of the 1830-1840 period 😁

While it's true that S160s were sent to the UK, they only worked in Great Britain - Northern Ireland uses the 5' 3" gauge, not Standard Gauge.

The Cycloped was a serious of horses, in an age when the average working life expectancy of a coach horse was about two years, before being ended by heart failure or a broken leg.

Little note about the Class 50: There was a prototype locomotive that came before it (DP2) which was essentially a Class 55 Deltic shell with a Class 50 engine, this lasted between 1962 and 1967 (When it was involved in a nasty accident at Thirsk on the ECML and was scrapped.). It was not a bad locomotive and in its last years, it was used on Class 55 Deltic services. You'd think BR would chill with a simple fleet of DP2 locomotives, but in the design specification. They went overkill and specified Dual Braking, ETH, Dynamic Braking, Multiple Working up to 3 locos, Push/Pull equipment and Slow Speed control for MGR workings.

The Cyclopes made me laugh, that was very funny. The Holman locomotives also made me laugh.

Re the class 50's, a lot of the early issues was simply all the 'clever' electronics to help the engines cope with running 6 x 400hp traction motors and controlling that power. The Portuguese railways had a set of less clever class 50 copies that ran perfectly fine. Hence when they were rebuilt they lost some of the various electric traction control and other stuff. Noticeably, when the clever electronics worked, it did improve the engines performance in accelerating with heavy loads. Overall, I'm not sure that they deserve a place here. Also well over a third of the class is still running 50 years after the class was built, that may be a survival rate beaten by very few diesel-electrics from anywhere in the world.

If there's a railfan equivalent to the Fudd, you probably pissed them off with the S160 segment.

I still think "Fowler's Ghost" was the worst one ever. Although it was innovative it only ran twice (in 1861) and both times its crew were terrified it would explode. John Fowler is said to have had it bricked up in a disused tunnel for a time as he wanted to forget about it. He tried to keep it a secret hence it got the nickname Fowler's Ghost. Even now there is some debate about the details of the design and whether the one photo that we have is actually the Ghost.

13:17. This design is so absurd that even the horse in the sketch looks depressed. Like it’s thinking, “Ugh, really? I’d rather pull it myself than work with _this_ stupid thing!”

I really liked the EE 50's. It was a welcome relief from seeing 47 after 47 at the west end of platform 4, Reading station in the 1970's. Seeing the 125's at full chat on the Warpath (the nickname of the through line between platforms 4 and 5 was always a thrill too.

If the Hunman had geared the piston wheels to the road wheels it would have increased the contact area between powered wheel and rail in a useful manner.

The USATC Locomotives are meant for quick Dispatch overseas. The S160 is a War Surplus locomotive which meant to be a Quick Assembly by the Soldiers. They were also used in Alaska due to the fact Alaska Railroad used to be 3ft gauge.

Class 50 and class 37s were the best two diesels ever built. They both had the best engines ever and the 50s were still in proper mainline use until around 2010.

The problem with the 50s wasn't quite as you describe, and certainly nothing to do with UK rainfall. They worked very well when they were used on the West Coast main line on fast services before that line was electrified north of Crewe, where they would take over from the electric at Crewe, and be worked very hard, at a continuous rate to Carlisle and Glasgow, their problems came after they moved to the western region and were working Semi-fast and stopping trains from Paddington and Waterloo to the west country, where engine revs and power demand were constantly up and down, compounded with the fact that the line runs litterally along the sea wall at Dawlish, hence the damp

Another fascinating and hilarious installment! The cycloped and the Holman Horror both had be cracking up. I have a few suggestions: The Impulsoria ATSF 3000 class 2-10-10-2 PRR S1 (this one looks awesome but was ultimately a failure)

The s160 is a great locomotive but was designed as an American engine with gauge standers brits didn't know how to treat them

Bad thing was aswell that we also took a large amount of S100s, aka yank tanks as a few called them over here, and apparently they were also called rust buckets due to the fact that their firebox’s were steel so they’d die extremely quickly, a process heightened by the fact that after ww2 they were used at Southampton docks, and it’s also funny that the fact 2 of the 4 preserved over here were only saved as they ran hot on their way to the scrap yard being towed 😂

By varying the gearing you could make the cycloped either pull harder than a directly harnessed horse or go faster. If I remember correctly faster was the point of the cycloped.

The last one saying that “more wheels equals more speed” literally reminds me of those old “troll physics” videos

Bom BAR dee ay, not bomba deer. Cool videos bro. Subbed!

" I didn't make them, you can't yell at me." Is gonna be mya be my new i,m losing the argument phrase.

The USATC S160 is my favorite on this list cuz I like their design, I don’t say they’re a failure, tho.

The wheelslip issues with the Class 50 you mentioned was actually a by-product of the Class's refurbishment. During the refurbishment, they had their electronic anti-wheelslip equipment *removed*. Yes, they had anti-wheelslip equipment, and they removed it! This is what prevented the class from being transferred over to freight services after 50049 was trialled on china clay trains. That equipment would have seen the Class 50's service life extended through freight had it not been removed. A couple more British trains for you to talk about. Maybe not 'the worst', but certainly unpopular, the Bombardier Class 220/221 Voyager, and the Hitachi Class 800/801/802 IET (infamous for their cracking issues which still has members of the family out of service). And how about a best trains list? Mix things up a little?

The Cycloped was not good idea but in mitigation it could be pointed out that the gearing was not 1:1. It would be like a bicycle (aka a pushbike) is for a human (but for a horse). Cycling is faster and easier than running.

Don't feel too bad about the S160 (other than the boiler explosions obviously) because we kept two of them and they're still working today.

Some “worst” suggestions: Chesapeake & Ohio/Norfolk & Western Steam Turbine Electrics London & North Western Teutonic 2-2-2-0 Amtrak E60 I also second the PRR S1. Its problems were as extreme as its streamlining.

2:04 they did they called the E60s and GG-1s as well as the AEM-7. In fact the whole reason why the HHP-8s were made was to full a motive power crisis while Amtrak was converting the AEM-7 from DC power to AC power. That was it. That was main reason why the HHP-8 were built.

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The class 50 was a decent loco, ended up replacing the western hydraulics on trains out of Paddington,the 50's were one of the best locos built by English Electric in the late,*60's

Fun Fact: Peter Cooper's "Tom Thumb" was an experimental locomotive.

Oh well, at least you sent the UK some dock tanks, those seem to have been good

Sweden got a commuter train that couldn’t handle snow from Italy. They have to rebuild the air intake. That’s the problem when you sell of your own train building industry

I actually have gone on an S160 last year at Didcot

i will never understand how such a joke as cycloped even made it to Rainhill trials, the arguable beginning of UK's steam railway boom and place that showcased how great the Rocket was.

In US they build stuff cheaply and then put a lot of maintenance on them. In at least northern and eastern Europe, we build things very robustly, then put very little maintenance in them. UK typically do a combination of the two

Just because the S160s had one water gauge, that didn't make them a failure, and plenty of UK crews were familiar with it. The western region (where these things ran a lot) only had one water gauge on their locos as the fireman only needed one, and if your water gauge would break, you'd have a spare. Or if you had to go to the extremes, use the taps which go straight to the boiler, which allows water to leak out so you have a visualisation of where the water is. And British Rail weren't a thing in WW2 as well. Maybe do some more research before slagging off random engines and random rail companies.

One of the s160 class steam locomotives used to run on my childhood railroad called the Fremont & Elkhorn valley railroad locomotive 1702 the engine ran on the line from the opening of the railroad in 1985-1991 when it was sold to the great smoky mountain railroad in western north Carolina

Slight correction, the nec was uneletrificed north of new haven, the hhp8 was ordered so the aem 7s could be refurbished. And so they could get rid of the e 70

Cycloped was just the homie Juan's personal workout machine, let him be

Hang on I gotta come to the defense of the S160. These bad boys were built with a life expectancy of *90 days* and ended up lasting for years. Some were even in revenue service up until the 1990s! The design was indeed by the US Army, but made with the help of Baldwin, Lima, and ALCO. I'd compare these to Sherman Tanks. Built well enough and in large numbers to serve a purpose. I wish we had a few of these in running condition here in the US.

I was surprised to see the S160 on this list as it being one of my favorites. One is on static display at Anchorage Alaska where I live

The class 50s post refurbishment could have been even more reliable if the main generator which was prone to failure was replaced with an alternator, but this was ruled out due to cost concerns.

- S160 _you have betrayed me_

14:13, that's wheelly cool

The HHP-8 is the reason MARC is the fastest commuter service in America you'd think MBTA,SEPTA,NJT would be faster

I have another two Worst Locomotives from NZ, both of which we managed to preserve at least one engine of each type and both currently are under restoration (we are crazy, and we know it) though the restoration teams actually understand the issues. First, the DF class of 1954 (not the later DF class of 1979) which were the first Diesel Electrics in NZ for the NZ Railway dept, only 10 were purchased and 1 has been preserved (DF 1501). They were highly unreliable and frequently needed repairs. Lived for 20 years in service, but most of the locos in NZ are typically 50 - 60 years old..... Secondly, the RM 88 Seaters (known as Fiats, Twinsets) were frequently causing fires, breaking down due to the design of the cooling intakes and crankshafts and were designed to provide many of the branch lines with passenger services only lasting 20 - 23 years. After they were withdrawn, we attempted to reuse the coaches with locos, which failed. Managed to find one complete set, and three half sets which after one was used as a fire training centre it got damaged before No.2 end could be retrieved in a real fire... So the four undamaged cars shall be combined to created two preserved working sets.

the s160 is a good engine

A USTAC S160 class locomotive is still operational in my home country of Hungary, which bought the locomotive from the US just after WW2, and it is really popular here among train fans.

Okay so a few bad jokes. With the P-8, good thing it was made by Bombardier because this thing bombed. Second, the cycloped, that's a horse and buggy train of thought. Lastly, the Holman Horror... need I say it? They're just spinning their wheels here.

The British rail logo lives under your bed at this point.

May I suggest, that if you feel a bit mean about beating up British railways, how about for a change of pace, why not do a dedicated best of British rail video? They must have made some good ones, so maybe that’ll make you feel a bit better? Just an idea. Top 5 BR locomotives.

Oh wow, the cycloped is hilarious!

The HHP8 are planned to be converted into cab cars to continue service

So I gave you the benefit of the doubt when it came to the Pacers, but I can't do that with the 50s yes they had issues and yes they've had a bit of a rough time in preservation but they're far from the worse and don't really belong on this list imo.

Imagine being german and see your country as soon as place 37 on this list ( laughs in german engineerig) now it makes sense that the philosophy in the 50/60s was every Lokomotive needs to at least work for 50 years ( and some of them do , still today)

can you do a a bit on the hush hush loco?

S160 had to be put through the works as one of the valves would dump the water directly out of the boiler instead of filling it.

Good video

The S160 was basically America's equivalent to the UK's WD Austerity 2-8-0. They and the 2-10-0 version weren't built for longevity either. Riddles even said you could've dumped them in the sea and he wouldn't haved cared. Thankfully, one of each have been preserved. Of the 2120 S160s built, we got 800 of them and kept them as workhorses after the war. I'm fairly confident those issues were discovered and ironed out later on. But when Modernisation came along, if they broke, we just scrapped them anyway. Sadly, none of those 800 were preserved. But 5 from other nations operate in preservation here today and all manage to put on a good show. So don't feel too guilty, Dark. Honestly, you lot have sent worse things over here. >cough!< Markle >cough!

Anyone notice that the first uk map shown has Scotland listed as schotland?

Another problem with the 50s was the mentioned electronics. They were the first locos in the UK to use microprocessor control for the engines instead of traditional mechanical controls, and as well as the issues with the air intakes, this also didn't help their reliability. When they were refurbished, as well as the air intakes being changed, they also had the electronics replaced with mechanical controls. Interestingly both the Class 87 electrics that replaced them on their original West Coast Mainline services (they hauled trains from Preston in northern England where the electrification stopped to Glasgow until the 70s when the electrification was extended all the way), and the HSTs that replaced them in the west of England both used traditional mechanical control systems. The funny thing is you could have a whole category of bad British trains related to the inability to withstand British weather. As well as the 50 you also have the 91 which suffered very similar problems with cooling air intakes sucking in snow that melted on the complex electronics. The same winter a couple of new electric units were also suffering problems due to snow being sucked into the motors, leading to the now infamous claim of "the wrong kind of snow". The 455s were terrible at stopping in the autumn due to the now also infamous "leaves on the line". The 158s had problems operating signals for the same reason. The 465s and 466s had trouble picking up power from the third rail when it was covered in leaves or snow and due to their complex electronics and new AC motors tended to shut down. It's not just BR or even British designs either. The 465 issue with pickup was replicated by the British/German Electrostar and the French designed Juniper. Then you have the German designed Bombardier Voyager which was designed for a route that in one place runs right next to the sea where waves often break over trains, but put electronics on the roof where they failed when covered in salt water. Then there was the French designed Eurostars which also one winter sucked in snow which melted on the electronics. Even the Swiss weren't immune with their new FLIRTs suffering the same problems with signals as the 158s. That said, other than the Voyagers which still can't run on one stretch of line when it's stormy (thankfully down at the extreme end of their area of operation that's fairly well covered by other trains), all other types were modified to better handle the problems. "Leaves on the line" and "the wrong kind of snow" are still issues (as they are in many countries), but not to the same extent.

You should do five worst ships

I love the loco on roller skates

Could I say that the Holman horror was a 10-24-0?

Common nickname for the HHP8 that I've heard is "Hippo".

The Bombardier HHP-8 is garbage. Thank you for putting this on the worst locomotives list.

This hole series makes me proud to be British :) glorious British rail at its finest ..........

Rolling stock = CARS, Locomotives are called "Motive Power"

15:24 oh, steam locomotive scam

I would like to enter the DR H45 024, Experimental La Mont Boiler Type locomotive wich never achieved the efficiency it was built for

Oh boy, I wonder what British rails locomotive will appear on the tenth episode

The Cycloped. The not so Iron Horse.

The Holman photo, the guy to the left has quite a long arm!

You could've called the HHP-8 Hippos like the railfans did/do.

The class 50 was a pretty near miss to be honest. The prototype was a very reliable locomotive, but British Rail made English Electric add a lot of bells and whistles to it, which resulted in reliability issues. If they had left it alone, it would have been a very successful class. To be honest with you, they were better than the class 47, which British rail standardized on.

If only they got more toasters instead of the HHp-8. RIP AEM-7🍞🍞

class 08s, 20, 37s, 40, 43, 44,45,46,47,50,55,56,57,58 they are all good because they where built to do what they where suppose to do and some of those locos run to this very day.

The HHP8! FINALLY! Another electric engine! And its an actually bad one for once :D

Just a hint for future reference Bombardier is pronounced (bom-bar-dee-A)

You'll run out of British modernisation locos sooner or later haha

I'm pretty sure Bombardier is pronounced "Bum-BAR-dee-ay."

I actually like the USATC S160s, but the fact they’re on the list doesn’t surprise me as much as the actual USATC logo. Am I the only one that thinks it’s the same at the Detroit Red Wings logo? It can’t be a coincidence, they look too similar.

The last one, I thought it was a gauge adapter system.

Among German railfans and even railway men in General bombadies is known for Bad quality and Bad engines

Don't you dare go there. Stay away from the cl50s.

if theres one thing i hate about the class 50s is the face!

This guy thinks that the US S160 class is bad! It isn’t that bad.

Another failed locomotive is the class 06 of the Deutsche Reichsbahn, in itself a good locomotive, but just as with the class 45, the boilers developed cracks, pipe runs and torn stud bolts, so that the locomotives were not convincing in front of measuring wagons or standard trains.

One of my dreams would be to see the cycloped with a horse pumped full of steroids break the world speed record. Now that would be the most watched video ever on the internet. 😂

Who here likes double decker trains?

15:15 The First NFT

How comes that in every bad engine video, BR is present😂

Lol... It's pronounced bom-bar-dee-yay. Good work here