5 Players Who Drive Me Crazy - RPG Philosophy

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Seth Skorkowsky

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#ttrpg #dnd
00:00 Intro
01:18 Copper Thief
03:09 Word From Our Sponsor
04:30 Handout Bandit
07:02 Numbers Thrower
09:50 Conspiracy Theorist
12:18 Unqualified Expert
15:03 Closing

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@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 ай бұрын
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@willywonkascreepysmilewonk3200
@willywonkascreepysmilewonk3200 4 ай бұрын
Hey Seth you coming to Chaosium con this year?
@MrBudNess
@MrBudNess 4 ай бұрын
Kudos on the ad segue in this video!!
@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 ай бұрын
Can't do ChaosiumCon this year.
@willywonkascreepysmilewonk3200
@willywonkascreepysmilewonk3200 4 ай бұрын
that’s to bad
@youcantbeatk7006
@youcantbeatk7006 4 ай бұрын
​@@willywonkascreepysmilewonk3200*too
@joshuahebert7972
@joshuahebert7972 4 ай бұрын
Copper thievery is a time-honored tradition from early DND. Where every GP collected also counted towards XP.
@timd4524
@timd4524 4 ай бұрын
Actually at that time it was called Monty Haul. And at least with more gold, players could actually establish dominions.
@kontrarien5721
@kontrarien5721 4 ай бұрын
@@timd4524 Copper thievery =/= Monty Haul.
@toddtaylor4649
@toddtaylor4649 4 ай бұрын
Force real encumbrance. Lets seeee....25 rusty daggers at 1 lb each. The average soldier roman and modern carries 65 lbs....plus strength bonus. You need to dump something.
@jasonGamesMaster
@jasonGamesMaster 4 ай бұрын
And one of the major reasons I hate that part of OSR games, lol
@comfylain
@comfylain 4 ай бұрын
Easiest way to mitigate this is simply to declare that 'treasure' from the dungeon, IE, gems, gold, etc is what counts towards XP. I play AD&D and OSR games where gold found in the dungeon = XP and nobody ever attempts to argue that random monster loot counts toward XP.
@Altorin
@Altorin 4 ай бұрын
That Number Thrower sketch should have ended with this: "Oh, and [reason] means I get a -4. Snap." "So -4 damage?" "No, attack." "So, you missed." "Yeah."
@ValdVincent
@ValdVincent 4 ай бұрын
We've all been that guy
@sollytom6266
@sollytom6266 4 ай бұрын
😆
@frenstcht
@frenstcht 4 ай бұрын
The gods are annoyed with your nonsense. They've drilled eye holes in this stock pot, and you have to play with it on your head until you get it together.
@goofygoober9719
@goofygoober9719 4 ай бұрын
I'm a conspiracy theorist player. I once didn't trust an NPC for a year long campaign, because he's name was too generic. No way someone's named John Smith. He was planning something
@marcturmel924
@marcturmel924 4 ай бұрын
Oh god, that number thrower had me spilling my soup... For 3 points of damage... +1 scalding damage...
@astutheit
@astutheit 4 ай бұрын
You forgot the psychic damage modifier for the spilled dinner & wasted food. Now, if you ever got the "There are starving children in (insert country x)" spiel, it's +3, if not, it's +1.
@wolf1066
@wolf1066 3 ай бұрын
Is that _armour-piercing_ scalding damage?
@fariesz6786
@fariesz6786 3 ай бұрын
you lot forget to account for how good the soup was and whether it was home-made by OP. because if it was good, home-made, and the amount lost is significant (refer to table 21.2b) then we need to account for additional psychic damage. oh also, in case the "there are children starving" modifier wasn't applied: according to recent rule revisions, listening to or having ever listened to Eat It by Weird Al _also_ counts. oh and have we even considered the colour damage to the clothing?
@JustBcozx84
@JustBcozx84 4 ай бұрын
as someone who runs a lot of Delta Green, I kind of love the conspiracy theorists, I've had players make a crazy board out of a bunch of clues from non connected scenarios.
@beardgoblin1090
@beardgoblin1090 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I bought a green felt pin-board and tripod for my DG players, and provided them with all the pins, handouts and red string they could want - if they didn't have at least 3 contradictory theories on the go at once, I figured I was doing it wrong 😆
@alantheinquirer7658
@alantheinquirer7658 4 ай бұрын
Why write a scenario when the players do it for you?
@michaelwoodbury1788
@michaelwoodbury1788 4 ай бұрын
Kind of reminds me of Johnny English when he makes up a thief with orange hair and a banana shaped scar then at the end of the movie.....
@BSE1320
@BSE1320 4 ай бұрын
1.) Todd 2.) Todd 3.) Todd 4.) Todd 5.) TODD
@tafua_a
@tafua_a 4 ай бұрын
It's Todd. It's always Todd.
@solomani5959
@solomani5959 4 ай бұрын
Hah!
@proven22x52
@proven22x52 4 ай бұрын
Yeh it has to be Todd
@CrusadiaIX
@CrusadiaIX 4 ай бұрын
I dunno bros have you heard some of the stuff Dweebles says?
@chiefnewo
@chiefnewo 4 ай бұрын
@@CrusadiaIX Dweebles keeps his "tendencies" away from the game table so it's not Seth's problem. :P
@kayspaceprince
@kayspaceprince 4 ай бұрын
To the point of the number thrower - I can’t do mental math at all and was playing a 5e ranger with special bow, ammo, and of course spells like hunter’s mark. To keep me and my DM from going crazy (and the other players from killing me, lol) I ended up making a excel spreadsheet that auto rolled and calculated damage for me! Probably the craziest new skill I picked up for ttrpgs.
@ulfgard4734
@ulfgard4734 4 ай бұрын
I've been relearning spreadsheets for a 3.5e campaign I've been prepping. Races, classes, equipment, templates- if it has a numerical stat value, it's going in the sheet! It's going to save me so much time in prep it's not even funny. I mean, it's been a campaign in its own right to get all the info entered but it's going to be so worth it!
@piragintheevercorpulent1526
@piragintheevercorpulent1526 4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile I've been learning Python in order to work with a dice bot
@abbbbbbb4482
@abbbbbbb4482 4 ай бұрын
When I DM 2E I have all the large encounters on a spreadsheet with it all factored into a final number. I just had a 15 person bandit ambush on the party recently I couldn't do a large group of NPCs like that quickly without a spreadsheet.
@ozythewise7411
@ozythewise7411 3 ай бұрын
Brother that sounds absurd for what amounts to basic arithmetic
@FrogAssemblyLine
@FrogAssemblyLine 4 ай бұрын
One minute ago, you say? May as well help out the algorithm!
@larspetterolsen
@larspetterolsen 4 ай бұрын
RISE!!!
@toddtaylor4649
@toddtaylor4649 4 ай бұрын
I must also feed that goblin. Plus, Seth always serves up the primo jazz.
@TheManyVoicesVA
@TheManyVoicesVA 4 ай бұрын
Dont forget a like!
@FrogAssemblyLine
@FrogAssemblyLine 4 ай бұрын
@@TheManyVoicesVA I would never
@Drejzer
@Drejzer 4 ай бұрын
"I'm scrapping off the gold from the walls" while within a spooky tomb with an endless tide of skeletons riding up and slowly approaching the party... I was quite exhasperated at that. And i learned that in the previous session (i wasn't present for) that same player had control of my character as well... Guess what the two characters did back then?
@Ephsy
@Ephsy 4 ай бұрын
Or type VI demons...
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@MisterZimbabwe 4 ай бұрын
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@TidusplZUO
@TidusplZUO 4 ай бұрын
Guilty as charged on number thrower because I do the math out loud, but it's never been an issue at the table - just remember to drag your last syllable to show you're in the process and the message gets across
@TheManyVoicesVA
@TheManyVoicesVA 4 ай бұрын
"Hang on, I suck at math. What is 7+14?"
@zyxaqc
@zyxaqc 4 ай бұрын
Syllable dragging, the verbal equivalent of "..."
@davidioanhedges
@davidioanhedges 4 ай бұрын
This is the correct way, get people to check you as you go, and the GM is awaiting the final numbers.. This is the way...
@larsdahl5528
@larsdahl5528 4 ай бұрын
I think "The Number Thrower" is less of a player problem. I see it more as a GM choice (More math - Less role-play) that backfires due to a player is not keen on playing mathematician. It has a vague similarity with "The Copper Thief" as that can be the result of a GM choice (Ha! You left a valuable piece of loot behind!) that backfires. A way to do that is to keep the characters poor so the players are forced to become nitpicking accountants.
@davidioanhedges
@davidioanhedges 4 ай бұрын
@@larsdahl5528A player can calculate out loud without issue, and it is sometimes better than saying erm, just a minute then trying to calculate slowly... "The Number Thrower" that is an issue, is the player that replies with a number, pauses so it sounds like they have finished, then adds another number, pauses like they've finished, adds another number ... etc .. I agree about the copper thief ... but note it could have been the previous GM who punished them for not picking up everything, and it still persists to the next table ...
@foxross
@foxross 4 ай бұрын
When I saw “copper thieves” I thought that it was referring to people that make scams and money schemes in game as if they were playing as Ea Nasir.
@nyarparablepsis872
@nyarparablepsis872 4 ай бұрын
I love it that this man has become internet famous
@foxross
@foxross 4 ай бұрын
@@nyarparablepsis872 I mean I am particularly interested in ancient history but the memes are greatly appreciated.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 ай бұрын
"Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens, Bright Copper Kettles leave flakes on my mittens, Wait, these are stone with a copper veneer, I've been bamboozled by Ea-Nasir!"
@foxross
@foxross 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer that properly made me laugh
@williamk52
@williamk52 4 ай бұрын
Im usually the guy who only takes what he needs but I remember one game where we cleared out a goblin layer and there was a 500. Pound stone throne in it. We took a week to get back to town (4 hour trip) to get it back there where it was the centerpiece of my literal twig hut in the slums.
@dylutant
@dylutant 4 ай бұрын
That sounds awesome and is definitely more of a flourish at the end of the adventure rather than an annoying behaviour. My group in Cyberpunk 2020 did something similar by gathering all the bikes of the rival gang they destroyed over the span of the game, and one of the players was bent on welding them to look like some artsy fartsy fresco. They succeeded and the party lived in a warzone shithole decorated with busted up bikes.
@zterrans
@zterrans 4 ай бұрын
It really tied the room together
@oz_jones
@oz_jones 4 ай бұрын
That's clearly a trophy
@screenmonkey
@screenmonkey 3 ай бұрын
The copper thief reminds me of having a character that is raging addict, who doesnt buy new equipment but mostly just spends on that sweet sweet moon dust, but still strips the plumbing out of an adventure site
@eostyrwinn5018
@eostyrwinn5018 4 ай бұрын
"I make incorrect assumptions all the time, it's one of my super powers" may be the single most relatable line I've ever heard
@ts25679
@ts25679 4 ай бұрын
Since you said "piecing together the plot" it makes me want to write the clues on puzzle shapes that fit together to give a logical answer or meta clue.
@SangoProductions213
@SangoProductions213 4 ай бұрын
Years ago, back in College, I was playing a warforged, with some 3rd party golem companion building book. My DM presents us with an adamantine door. Immediately, I get to Stone Shaping the hinges off of the wall, and dragged that door back home with me. Along with every other metal door from then on. The campaign lasts another year. He got a fairly sizeable collection of door golems.
@shadowheartart3898
@shadowheartart3898 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, if a GM presents the group with an adamantite door and DOESN'T expect them to spend time trying to figure out how to bring it home... 😂 that stuff is valuable! That's not Copper Thieving 😂
@RobertBlair
@RobertBlair 3 ай бұрын
My GM for that adventure (and going forward) that forging adamantine was a one time process- that once you turn the ore into a thing, it's impossible to reshape.
@SangoProductions213
@SangoProductions213 3 ай бұрын
@@shadowheartart3898 Turned into copper thievery though. lol. There were no doors left by the end.
@kurtoogle4576
@kurtoogle4576 4 ай бұрын
My top 5 things that frquently bug me: The Distracted Player "I do this! Wait, what's going on?" (ignores plans, facts, & plot); The Bossy Player "That idea is good, but what if you did this instead"; (too many interruptive helpful suggestions) The Derailer "Hey, I know it's your turn, but did you guys see the new movie?"; (wrong time discussions) The Reluctant Player "My character holds back, they aren't sure if this is best thing to do."; (stalls game or misses turns) and... The Cross Talker "DM: Please, once again, don't interrupt the other players...again." (a group killing flaw)
@BRNDMYR
@BRNDMYR 4 ай бұрын
In my group the bossy player transformed into The Lone Wolf Player when he didn`t get his will. "Then I am doing my own thing." One time he solved the Shadowrun plot on his own, during the other players discussed what they should do. So the one instance proofed his point. But Teamwork? What is that?
@martabachynsky8545
@martabachynsky8545 3 ай бұрын
I pretty much never give suggestions because my sister in law is the bossy player who _always_ knocks down my suggestions (and she has a very loud voice). My husband actually has to tell her to give me a chance. I once actually had to come up with a plan out of game for when we were going to attack a large group of goblins who had taken over a dwarven kingdom many years ago. Both the other players and the DM thought it was a good plan, and we went with it. I don't even remember what her plan was, but it wouldn't have worked). I've kind of turned into the distracted player because of this.She _always_ plays a girl boss, and when she was forced to play a male, she didn't speak up much. I'm also bad at math and keep forgetting to add damage bonuses. Back when Hypercard existed on my old mac, I made a stack that used up all the bonuses and negatives from whatever situation existed. It worked great. edit: I forgot to add is that she uses information from previous campagins to figure out who the main villain is, just because her other character faced the same villains on "another continent" ("The queen of Kenmar is behind all of this", says her second level character after we encounter an assassin linked with the group her other character fought before).
@kurtoogle4576
@kurtoogle4576 3 ай бұрын
I hope you & hubby find a group with a more positive dynamic. @@martabachynsky8545
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv 2 ай бұрын
@@martabachynsky8545 Lemonade: your sister in law likes to play TTRPGs. 😂
@Jasonwolf1495
@Jasonwolf1495 4 ай бұрын
The first one is genuinely how my dad and his whole group of friends played the game and how they taught it to me. It was a very blue collar D&D experience. I honestly really enjoyed the way it made the game feel oddly mundane. The players aren't legendary heroes they're contracters who have to keep their heads above water for all the expenses of a very dangerous job. Obviously a singular character in this situation can feel bad, but a full party and DM in that design really does feel good to play. You do some cost benefit analysis to your work and there's lots of small stepping stone upgrades to work through as you're working to make the whole system more efficient. Eventually you're hiring a small squad of workers and guards who wait outside the dungeons while you clear it and have them clean it out, potentially even claim it as your own if its actually useful and not too far away from civilization. It's a very different gameplay pattern but I love it.
@atomichaunter2584
@atomichaunter2584 3 ай бұрын
Yeah if you're playing a game where finances are important it's really fun, I think it's huge for playing D&D, you're going into the dungeons and risking your life because you can't hold down an honest job. Once you're rich and high level enough you can just have hirelings do it for you, which is huge for a sense of progression.
@DragonaCryotalon
@DragonaCryotalon 4 ай бұрын
Love your vids! also. *copper thief*: i feel called out.
@villiamkarl-gustavlundberg5422
@villiamkarl-gustavlundberg5422 4 ай бұрын
in the N2 module there are magic items hidden inside the stomach of cave beasts. It's an unpopular module; i just thought the idea of a player rummaging around the bowels of some dead gutted up beast to be some next level copper theif. Innards theif. Hue hue.
@ballisticus1
@ballisticus1 4 ай бұрын
The Number Thrower hits a little close to home as I was kinda doing that in our Traveller ship combat last night.
@groadoswaggins
@groadoswaggins 3 ай бұрын
I feel it's OK when you are starting out in a system, until you've done it a few times. You're just starting out, right? Right?
@davewilson13
@davewilson13 3 ай бұрын
Unqualified expert- when you correct them, the party now thinks it’s a hint …
@Connor-le8ge
@Connor-le8ge 4 ай бұрын
Honestly the most relatable list video, I see a lot of these players in my group, half of them being myself XD
@chrismcpherson6649
@chrismcpherson6649 4 ай бұрын
“I used to work in a bank….I’m terrible at math” I love Seth Skorkowski videos!
@oz_jones
@oz_jones 4 ай бұрын
*Sorokowsky
@ericwhite1942
@ericwhite1942 4 ай бұрын
Number 3: Yep yep yep, this is something I deal with constantly. I actually felt my blood pressure going just hearing this lol
@SSkorkowsky
@SSkorkowsky 4 ай бұрын
Excellent. I was worried when writing it that I wasn't capturing the true feel of having a Numbers Thrower, and viewers would be all, "Eh, that's not so bad."
@Denkono
@Denkono 4 ай бұрын
"Characters are temporary, Players are forever*" * Mortality hack for humans is yet to be achieved.
@dustincameron787
@dustincameron787 4 ай бұрын
That's what the Chicago Mob wants you to believe!
@VVVHHHSSS
@VVVHHHSSS 4 ай бұрын
Life is like becmi without the i, so... rc, I guess
@OneEyeShadow
@OneEyeShadow 4 ай бұрын
Depends on how okay you are with prison.
@the_d12rose
@the_d12rose 4 ай бұрын
I actually screamed at the numbers thrower skit. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD
@Woodclaw
@Woodclaw 4 ай бұрын
I'm often guilty of the final one, usually in the rules department. The main reason I can think of is that one of my best friends is extremely lazy when it comes to rules. In a way, he behaves like a reverse number thrower: he rarely compile his entire character sheet and updates it even less, so he only consider the numbers on the dice and you have to pry those out of him with a crowbar. As a result, my already pretty pronunced rule lawyer habits got worse, since I have to handle my character as well as his. I know this is a terrible habit, because it dents the GM's authority as referee, but when you see a player ignoring the most simple bonuses over and over again, but also lamenting time and again how their character is sub-par, belittling their own intelligence... well, I felt that I had to do something.
@Geffro
@Geffro 3 ай бұрын
There's definitely a balance, I think it can be really helpful to help players with the mechanics (especially if you can help them get into some simple helpful habits that are fun for them), just gotta recognize when you might be wrong and make that clear to others around you
@tcironbear21
@tcironbear21 4 ай бұрын
Other reasons i don't like bending the story to make the conspiratist correct is it encourages this behavior and ruins emersion to other players. And if you have new players, then they might think this chaotic stupid behavior is the norm.
@shadowheartart3898
@shadowheartart3898 4 ай бұрын
This. 👏
@khpa3665
@khpa3665 3 ай бұрын
To be fair, most of the online advice about incorporating player theories says only to do it if their idea is cooler than the one you already have, not if it's dumb. Although even with a cool idea, especially in investigation games, it can be a quick way to create plot holes in your own game.
@tcironbear21
@tcironbear21 3 ай бұрын
@@khpa3665 I personally have run into DMs who embrace the "Fail upward" style of DMing. It kind of hate it. I want a challenge and want the world to feel like it has a life of its own. If the world always bends around my character I hate it. For me if I can't suspend disbelief, I lose a lot of interest in any form of fiction.
@khpa3665
@khpa3665 3 ай бұрын
@@tcironbear21 Yeah. I generally don't use this trick myself. I feel the fantasy world needs some sort of objective reality outside the PCs, even if that's only in the GM's head.
@Spark_Chaser
@Spark_Chaser 4 ай бұрын
I think the Copper Thief is likely a hold over from Old D&D, where experience was tied to gold gathered in an adventure. They strip every piece of possible valuable from a dungeon because they may be able to turn it around for one more gold, which means one more XP more for their character.
@Taricus
@Taricus 3 ай бұрын
Instead of the numbers throwers, I have the people who just tell me the roll..... I literally ask them all the time, "Is that what you rolled?" and they just go, "Yeah.... 12...." "As in like that is literally what's on the die?" "Yeah...." "....Okay, what's you're attack bonus?" "+7....." "So, 19...." "Yeah, I guess...." You have to coax everything out of them and they never do *any* of their own math... There is a reason I have my own copy of their character sheets, because I get tired of asking what their bonuses are constantly....
@a_wild_Kirillian
@a_wild_Kirillian 3 ай бұрын
What you're doing is supporting the idea that you have to calculate all their rolls for them, even though you have other things to think of. If you're okay with that, I guess it can work, but it doesn't look like that. This is the problem of setting boundaries and you're allowing your players to exploit you.
@martmantzt
@martmantzt 3 ай бұрын
In the same camp as the Conspiracy Theorist and the Unqualified Expert is the "I don't trust the DM" Whacko. "Let's go over the mound and attack the bad guys!" "No way! The DM is expecting us to do that so he can ambush us! Let's go around." "With that high a roll, I can tell you that door is not trapped." "Pft! As if I'd fall for that. I take 30 minutes to inspect the door thoroughly."
@Unormalism
@Unormalism 4 ай бұрын
The problem with the people who make assumptions is they don't realize they're assumptions; they think it's the facts. And when they are wrong it inevitably breaks into an argument. I have had someone insist so many times "it doesn't work that way" and cause a rules check mid-fight instead of just listening to the GM.
@almitrahopkins1873
@almitrahopkins1873 4 ай бұрын
I've been the copper thief. It fit the character though. It was a goblin fighter/rogue "merchant" who was using all the stolen loot to arm the town militia pretty much everywhere we went. The DM lost it when I piled dead orc bodies into the loot wagon because "waste not, want not" didn't make sense to him. When I explained that I was trying to make a local goblin tribe friendly, he started to get it.
@bokodasu
@bokodasu 4 ай бұрын
I think the "make the player right instead of what you planned" advice is directed to when the players come up with a BETTER plot than you did, not when they just go out in left field and start wandering around randomly. I've done the first plenty of times, but I'd never do the second.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 4 ай бұрын
DnD, the 'lifestyle' mechanic is for disposing of mundane daily expenses based on what the character can afford. Fortunately having just one tool prof or marketable skill prof equates to a comfortable lifestyle. A party 'scrap book', a folder for the players handouts and team notes that stay with the DM for next session. Never loose a handout again if there is a standard place for them all to go and still be available for review later.
@MarkLewis...
@MarkLewis... 4 ай бұрын
THIS is how to present a video with a seemingly negative connotation, but in a fun and positive way. Many YT channels should take note! We, as viewers, are beset with negative, adversarial provocation after provocation YT video. We’re constantly asked to choose a side of whatever our hot-buttons are and (personally) I’m sick of it and unsubscribe. People say they hate drama, but they sure do love to click on it! No thanks for me. Some player types just deflate pretty much every DM/GM. It’s human nature. (Conspiracy Theorist I rather like. IMO they add to the story and fun moments) I pretty much enjoy all types of players but… the 2 player types that just stick in my craw are 1) THE DERAILER: They love to Metagame and take the main plot thread of a campaign (Homebrew or Pre-written module) and just (selfishly) sabotage and completely change it. A DM works hard to understand (say) a 250-page module, like Curse of Strahd, and (no spoilers) love to derail the main congruent themes to appease their schadenfreude. 2) THE OBSERVER MURER-HOBO: These players NEVER add to the story and just focus entirely on the feats, abilities, and progress of their character, and only participate in moments of combat. To each their own, and play how you wish, though understand YOUR table, players and DM/GMs all.
@therocketboost
@therocketboost 4 ай бұрын
I think another issue with the unqualified expert is they can sometimes rally the rest of the table to gang up against the GM. One time I was running a Call of Cthulhu adventure where the PCs passed through a tiny rural town with only a small general store. They wanted to buy weapons (which I knew would happen) so I said the store only had a couple of double barrel shotguns and boxes of shells for sale, for farmers and whatnot. The expert decided to inform me that the local farmers would never use shotguns for pest control and the store would instead be stocking rifles. Before I knew what, the player had the entire table agreeing and begging to retcon it to rifles. Just wanting to get the game moving I made the silly mistake of giving in and changing the gun type. Silly because it made me look like a pushover and also because shotguns would have been way more handy for the close quarters nightmare they ended up in. Never giving in to the expert again.
@bloodkip9462
@bloodkip9462 4 ай бұрын
Convincing you to give them rifles instead of shotguns means that they've never looked at the stats of shotguns and the crazy amount of things that take minimum impaling damage. They played themselves.
@therocketboost
@therocketboost 4 ай бұрын
@@bloodkip9462 Yep, agree. They really shot themselves in the foot. That particular player LOVES to argue equipment in every system and it always drags things to a halt. They're a military nerd so I get it and frankly it was my call and a teachable moment about how I should just literally and figuratively stick to my guns as a GM.
@livviegoat
@livviegoat 3 ай бұрын
clearly that player didn't grow up with Granny Gertrude and her 20 gauge single barrel varmint killer on the farm.
@rolestream
@rolestream 4 ай бұрын
Love ur work Seth! You're my personal KZfaq hero!
@EvilGrin
@EvilGrin 4 ай бұрын
I know the "copper thief" as the "boot bum" - he was actually stealing the boots from dead security guys to sell them off for spare change. The group got so annoyed with him micromanaging his loot that I put him in prison for murder and robbery because he was spreading evidence against him all over the city and had his appartment filled with bloody boots and other clothing items.
@Deveyus
@Deveyus 4 ай бұрын
Regarding copper thieves, my players have a tendency to say something along the lines of "We're taking everything that's not nailed down, and for that stuff, I brought an adamantine crowbar"
@Pile_of_carbon
@Pile_of_carbon 4 ай бұрын
"The evil wizard can't hide in his tower if we break down and sell the walls."
@Geffro
@Geffro 3 ай бұрын
Good solution, I like it
@jrlonergan6773
@jrlonergan6773 3 ай бұрын
I love how the characters look around the table at each other.
@Fuzzy_Barbarian
@Fuzzy_Barbarian 4 ай бұрын
The penny pinchers bug me just because it ends up dominating everything they do. The video connection is too real, these are definitely the people who hoard things in Bethesda RPGs. I get it more with weapons, but even then it can be annoying. How are you carrying 20 used, blunt and broken swords? And why do you think people would buy them unless they're gonna melt them down?
@cloverblossom8649
@cloverblossom8649 4 ай бұрын
It’s been nice seeing so many videos in such a short amount of time
@SanJacintoArtGuild
@SanJacintoArtGuild 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video, Seth. Thanks for sharing!
@CGhee135
@CGhee135 2 ай бұрын
Players who never shut up and monopolize the dm's time. One of my oldest friends does this and it drives me crazy. Makes it hard to play with him. Personally I think he should just always be the dm. Kind of alleviates the problem.
@beardgoblin1090
@beardgoblin1090 4 ай бұрын
Yeah. I long ago decided that when I'm the GM/Handler/what have you, the character folders stay with me. That way the info is only unavailable if I can't make it for the game.
@Pile_of_carbon
@Pile_of_carbon 4 ай бұрын
Yup! I played with a guy who tended to "check the math" of his character sheet between sessions and _somehow_ find addition errors that, when corrected, made his character a bit stronger every time. The GM keeping all paper work is a nobrainer.
@torenatkinson5708
@torenatkinson5708 4 ай бұрын
Great content. I watched it! I will watch it again! I will go into the back catalog and rewatch old ones. Great old ones!
@Drakxii
@Drakxii 4 ай бұрын
Poor todd getting character assassinated again
@Observer29830
@Observer29830 4 ай бұрын
It's always great to see your videos, Seth c: I watched so much of your stuff you feel like a close friend now, despite never having met you in person.
@anthonynocito9447
@anthonynocito9447 4 ай бұрын
Ooooo!!! I pretty recently found your channel, Seth, and after binging everything Call of Cthulhu and the tips/lists… and I have to say I’ve been floored at how informative, helpful and just all around top tier quality your content has been. So excited to be around for the new stuff from here on out!!
@tygrataps
@tygrataps 4 ай бұрын
One of your best episodes! I love when you take on several roles!
@tomaszmisiorek7884
@tomaszmisiorek7884 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Seth! Your videos are so authentic. Stay awesome!
@plagueofjoe
@plagueofjoe 4 ай бұрын
Haven’t been getting Seth’s videos in my feed much recently, I’ve missed them a lot
@RequestforQuest
@RequestforQuest 4 ай бұрын
Great as usual! Numbers issue is sooo true ))
@mcshaker
@mcshaker 4 ай бұрын
Another great video!
@Adrian_Lee6113
@Adrian_Lee6113 4 ай бұрын
I love how you built these characters for the skits. So much fun!
@groundbeef3021
@groundbeef3021 4 ай бұрын
I love all Seth Skorkowsky videos!
@Arcahnslight
@Arcahnslight 4 ай бұрын
I love all Seth Sorkowksy videos! Keep up the great work, man. You're easily my favorite all things TTRPG channel, and it ain't even close.
@reedbeazley3914
@reedbeazley3914 4 ай бұрын
High quality evergreen content as always sir. I've always felt that one of the hidden lessons of Dnd is dealing with different personality types on a team.
@TwinSteel
@TwinSteel 3 ай бұрын
“How does your character know that” can be a very useful question
@desereetouchet9294
@desereetouchet9294 4 ай бұрын
I really admire your ability to be multiple people and do it well.
@boxxie
@boxxie 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I will send this video to a few players in my group. They know who they are.
@johnnygreenface4195
@johnnygreenface4195 4 ай бұрын
Always love a new seth video!
@dirigoallagash3464
@dirigoallagash3464 4 ай бұрын
The editing of the character exchanges in these vids is really top notch. Good stuff, Seth!
@jasoncustomizer56
@jasoncustomizer56 4 ай бұрын
Always love any upload by Seth.
@jasonhull8075
@jasonhull8075 4 ай бұрын
Love these videos, well these, and everything else you release!
@ambustio9807
@ambustio9807 4 ай бұрын
Are you planning on reviewing any delta green scenarios ?
@lebendigesgespenst7669
@lebendigesgespenst7669 3 ай бұрын
I'm a copper thief. Not in TTRPGs, but dear god its one of my greatest sins in video game RPGs
@oz_jones
@oz_jones 3 ай бұрын
Im a hoarder ✋🏼
@keithvanboskirk7327
@keithvanboskirk7327 4 ай бұрын
always a great day with a new Seth video
@enzobambino
@enzobambino 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video!
@monkeibusiness
@monkeibusiness 4 ай бұрын
The little things pile up. I often fear I teach my players to play the game "wrong" and make them into these players.
@gopaysometaxes3540
@gopaysometaxes3540 4 ай бұрын
Great Video!
@trikepilot101
@trikepilot101 4 ай бұрын
I love your sketch comedy, Seth.
@Pile_of_carbon
@Pile_of_carbon 4 ай бұрын
A friend of mine used to try to avoid rolling dice by giving extremely elaborate descriptions of his actions. Instead of saying "I try to sneak up on the guard and knock him out" like a sane person he divided it into 10+ very tiny actions that, individually, should not require a roll: standing still, being in a dark room, lifting one foot, looking at the ground and so on. "So, I see the guard. Yeah, now I lift one foot veeeeery slowly... There's nothing on the ground in front of me right? [head shake from the GM]... and set it down taking extreme care to not make any noise...
@sirguy6678
@sirguy6678 4 ай бұрын
Great video! It’s fun to see Seth channeling the ghost of Paul Harvey with his seamless commercial- 😂
@zterrans
@zterrans 4 ай бұрын
Please tell me the chandelier hypothetical was based off a real player's choice
@Xingmey
@Xingmey 4 ай бұрын
0:40 - of course recognize dweebles and the crew ;)
@Skenderax
@Skenderax 4 ай бұрын
Nice, great video. Thanks.
@pedroemo5477
@pedroemo5477 4 ай бұрын
love your videos seth!!!
@Robbiemortino
@Robbiemortino 4 ай бұрын
Hello Seth Skorkowsky! Internet here! We've go so many hot takes to present to you.
@TheRauzKindred
@TheRauzKindred 4 ай бұрын
The majority of these I thank goodness have never had to deal with, except for the last one, a couple players I've had were the unqualified expert, fortunately they don't do it all of the time. When it got a little bit problematic, I got them to stop in their tracks and think twice about what they blurt out with the dreaded response, "Well it does now~", and I saved it for a moment when it would directly effect the offending player. Probably not the method I would personally recommend handling this situation, but when a player is being stubborn and assinine about rules lawyering when they don't actually know the rules that well, I found it got through their stubborn behavior problem better than me just trying to talk to them unfortunately, fortunately similar incident became far fewer in number thanks to this.
@parallelwho5912
@parallelwho5912 4 ай бұрын
Fun video!
@IamKnucks
@IamKnucks 4 ай бұрын
Old man Seth is letting loose on his group again. Haha. As a DM, this video is very relatable.
@TsunamiFlipFlop
@TsunamiFlipFlop 4 ай бұрын
This is so well done.
@SpiritWolf1966
@SpiritWolf1966 4 ай бұрын
I enjoy all of Seth Skorkowsky videos
@matthew_thefallen
@matthew_thefallen 4 ай бұрын
When Seth uploads it's always a good day 😊
@clericofchaos1
@clericofchaos1 4 ай бұрын
I have been both a copper thief and a conspiracy theorist in various games. The copper thief, in any game when money actually does have value. In that situation i have no issues whatsoever with grabbing whatever isn't nailed down. The conspiracy theorist in several games, but that's just because i have a lot of fun roleplaying it. Mysteries are always more fun when they're carried out by aliens, molemen, or (my personal favorite) nazi zombie vampires. Sure, all clues point to the butler...but that's exactly what the nazi zombie vampires want us to think!
@MemphiStig
@MemphiStig 3 ай бұрын
I was the Copper Thief in original BG. I got to that part where all the kobolds had the fire arrows and I lost it. I started collecting all the fire arrows I could and storing them all over the nearest town, along with anything else I didn't want to carry. Turns out those buildings were just loaded with places to store stuff.
@nerdaccount
@nerdaccount 3 ай бұрын
I may have a couple of these... but I recognize them and try to mitigate them. Great topic!
@doomfrom9077
@doomfrom9077 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making videos for us nerds. I've been the 'forever DM' now for a few years, and when I first started out, I used your guides and does and don'ts, and even if I still struggle with being a loot fairy, my players seem to be having fun. My contribution to this is the WTF player, not like WTF bad, just something so absurd and dumb I didn't plan for it, that's my player Gust in a nutshell but I love him
@justinsinke2088
@justinsinke2088 4 ай бұрын
Oh boy, the "Numbers thrower" would drive me up the wall for sure. Now, some particularly crunchy systems might have a lot of both static and circumstantial modifiers, but the player really should have all the static modifiers (the ones that won't change based on outside circumstances) worked out ahead of time, and then be able to ask if any circumstantial modifiers apply, which should be at least clear enough to ask through narration (like for example whether AP rounds are likely to change the math). Sometimes things get forgotten in the heat of the moment, but players should really strive to make those the exception of "dangit, I forgot to add +2 for X". As for the "Unqualified Expert"...I may fall into that myself from time to time. Much as I pride myself in knowing the rules of a system, and as much as I try to say "I think" or "I'm pretty sure" when I'm not 100% certain, sometimes I am genuinely confident and believe I'm helping the others around the table and it turns out I'm wrong. Feels bad too.
@user-nw8ti5hc9u
@user-nw8ti5hc9u 4 ай бұрын
I love all SSkorkowsky videos
@jonathantasso1556
@jonathantasso1556 4 ай бұрын
I admit, until my fighter can afford platemail and a silvered weapon... I am a copper thief...
@certifiedfunnyguy
@certifiedfunnyguy 4 ай бұрын
my table was playing Kingmaker for PF2e and we were grubby little copper thieves taking every weapon and arrow off of every bandit and goblin corpse
@Cormacc
@Cormacc 4 ай бұрын
Truly enjoy your videos.
@ken.droid-the-unique
@ken.droid-the-unique 4 ай бұрын
Well done, Seth! My least favorite player trait is the chronically ill-prepared player, the one who can't be bothered to understand their own character.
@iceghost27
@iceghost27 4 ай бұрын
I'm very thankful that I don't have any of these in my group except for the number thrower, who has gotten way better about it after discussion. I just tell him to give me the final number once he has it. Then he can think out loud do his crunching and then when everything is done he now says "all right my total damage is blah".
@Captain1nsaneo
@Captain1nsaneo 3 ай бұрын
My DM's setting was a living world so (minor) copper thieving was a way to squeeze gold out between large paydays that may or may not come depending on if we succeeded our jobs.
@fran3ro
@fran3ro 4 ай бұрын
Look at you man, getting sponsor and all. That's great.
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