The MT03 is a huge motorcycle compared to a Grom. That extra weight is equal to another person. The thing that makes the Mini-moto bikes so much fun is the diminutive size. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE WEIGHT! So the MT03 is not the same as a Grom experience. The Mini-moto bikes are perfect for learning to ride a motorcycle. Their light weight makes moving the machine around easier. The low power helps the rider remain in control if they make a mistake. For wanting a regular motorcycle experience, the MT03 is a better buy if that is what you want. For FUN, the mini-moto experience can't be beat!

You cant compare this to a grom. A grom is a mini moto, the MT is not.

The limitations of the grom is the reason it's so good. People overestimate their abilities constantly and the grom won't let you get too crazy. Someone who just got comfortable going 50mph and hasn't practiced evasive maneuvering or anything is better served not having the ability to go 100, cause everyone gets that itch to push it a little more if they can.

Bro, you CANNOT compare the two. A Grom is a miniBIKE. They made them in 1970s & then 2014 Honda pumped out the Grom. The MT-03 is almost 300 ccs motorcycle -that is 100% what they call a "starter bike". Honda Groms are NOT to be "starter" bikes, however, not everyone learns this, nothing can change that. But the steering & breaking are not comparable to a larger motorcycle. The Grom is similar to a bicycle the way it turns & breaks . Its just that the small displacement on the Mt-03 keeps you safe to learn how to ride. there is zero comparison to be made between the two. Minibike is just that....a goof around camping type minibike. My grandma used to ride an american minibike to go feed the cows in the pasture. Its a tiny motorcycle not meant for interstate and regular motorcycle riding. I def can see why you like the MT-03/07/09 types, unique kinda bike, buts not a minibike.

Thanks for the content of this ride. All valid points.

You are very correct about a Grom not being a good first bike. Point is, it and the Kawasaki Z125 are pocket bikes designed for a very specific purpose: To save on gas and maintenance costs for a rider who has experience, but also owns a car or pickup truck.

You miss the whole point of a grom

The Honda CB300R is what you want to buy if you want a Honda Grom with more power and speed. The Honda CB300R has a wet weight of only 330 lbs and is narrower, shorter wheel base and better turning circle and being only a single cylinder better on petrol and being a Honda more reliable than the MT-03.

I'm happy you found the balance you enjoy.

Buy a grom! More fun..Chicks love small bike s!

My dad has a Duke 390 and its really fun to goof around on. Its a little bigger than the MT03, a little less grom-esk. Mor like a better DRZ400. But now im looking at CB300's. Ive seen some really cool builds where people swap for 12' grom wheels. Super cool.

If I'm getting a bigger bike that's Grom like I'm getting the Royal Enfield hunter 350 rode one on a test ride day and it was amazing. I ride a 650 naked bike and the Grom is so much fun I can ring it out with out breaking any laws if I do that on the 650 I'm defiantly getting pulled over. Just riding the Grom and it giving me all it's got from stoplight to stoplight is satisfying. Smiles per gallon are insane on a Grom don't listen to this guy if you are thinking about buying one do it. Edit ~ missive You can get a Grom on market place for crazy cheap assuming you check it regularly Insurance is 10 a month for me and my brother Number one people don't by a Grom to ride on the highway I agree there the Grom should defiantly be a second or third bike pleas don't make it your first Not better for hooning bigger CC's means louder exhaust notes so the Grom wins in this segment smaller CC's so you can get away with more for longer If do stupid things that a bike isn't meant to do, They buy a Grom Aftermarket support MT03 00.02% Grom 100% The SF Grom seat does the exact same thing There is no way a stunt tank like the one on the 636 exists for the MT03 now I haven't googled it just going off of how small and unused this bike is Buy a Grom because its fun to ride and better for hooning and stunting then a MT03 Yes you have a little less market support on the MT, Yeah I'd say about 1000% less. The Grom is amazing for modding and making it your own unlike the MT03 You can do more to this then you can the Grom I highly doubt that. Buy a tank and regear the Grom the power point is moot in my pov because reasons You've ridden both but not owned both. I don't know if I'm the only person that hoped on a MT03 and jumping some curbs, na pretty sure your the only one everyone else rides theirs like a 1000cc bike which I resect Lies I'm 5' 11'' and have zero issues riding my SF Grom around for hours having a blast Does eVeRyThIng A gRom CaN dO BuT iT DoEs It BeTteR, Sir you sit on a thorn of lies 0.07 of an inch isn't going to matter just buy the Grom Again people don't buy a Grom to ride the freeway You can take it to a track, you can take the Grom to go a kart track most go kart tracks have mini bike nights and a Grom has 4-5 gears not 6 Back roads on a Grom are crazy fun taking corners a max power is amazing, and you can't do that on a MT03 you'll just be in second gear my bad first the entire time

Nice video . I was recommending a Grom to a friend who has never ridden a motorcycle and wants an Indian Scout. It's hard to make some people GET , one has to crawl before learning to run. Your idea about the MT 03 is brilliant !

I agree with you largely. I don't own either bike but prefer motorcycles that are lower power having owned a range of high powered motorcycles. I would likely have a Grom if it was in the 250cc range. I prefer at least the power of the MT-03 which is fun because you can still wring its neck and not get in much trouble. Try that on a 600cc sport bike and you can end up in jail or worse. Finding Goldilocks. Different for everybody. I really like both bikes. A guy like me with my background could do an engine swap or big bore kit on a Grom but I don't feel like it. :-) I believe in buying the motorcycle with the target power you prefer versus building it and I have done both.

I like the video and you’re not wrong. The grom just has a fun factor that that bike or a duke don’t have. Versatility yes, speed, power, etc BUT something about hopping on a grom is just different. It’s not for everybody but I sure love it.

Good video, I actually just got a grom clone, maybe l'll see you in southpoint one day

I was researching the Grom and the MT-03. This helped a lot. great video! I discovered the grom first cuz they are more popular but as a first and only bike I'm going with the MT-03 for the same reasons as mentioned in the video.

I want a small Grom just to cruise my neighborhood...

I wanted (still want) a grom, but bought my mt03 instead pretty much for all the reasons you listed. For a pure "cool because its small" factor, the grom wins imho, but for 1k more, the mt03 is by far a better choice. Well explained comparison!💯

The Grom gets just a tiny better mpg. Estimate 166mpg. The MT-03 gets an estimated 58mph. Same thing. 3x ain't shit

Thanks for mentioning your height - 5 ft 6 in - same as I am - and yet you can ride the MT-03 easily, so it should work for me. Most other motorcycles I have sat on I could barely touch the ground with my toes! For an extra $1000 you certainly get a LOT more motorcycle with the MT-03 than the Grom. Thanks for your video - I had never thought of comparing them.

I picked up a new grom and I do see the benefits of the mt03 but the grom is just so much fun to toss around.

A Perk of the grom is you’ll never get pulled over lmao

How is the mpg with 2up riding vs solo on mt03? Like 40 vs 55 mpg?

"just $1k" more is 20% more, on top of more expensive consumables and more fuel. Comparison doesn't really make sense,

I'm getting a Grom to get comfortable riding. I wanna learn as much as possible before riding something that's heavier and can do 100+. Also, my ride to work is all back twisty roads along the ocean with speed limits below 40mph so I think the Grom will still be fun for that. If I feel I want more power after a few months then I can sell it and probably not lose much money. I also want something I can customize and make my own and something I can wrench on and learn how to do my own maintenance

Bro the grom is jus a fun mini bike. It’s not even in the same class as the MT-03

I got a Roadglide wanted something small to zip around the city as a second bike (I live in NYC) picked up a 2019 cb500f perfect fit for me small enough to have fun with peppy enough to rip! Safe riding dude

How can you even COMPARE the two? Don't you realize they sit in two COMPLETELY different categories??

People saying you cant compare the two... Lol. You just did, and it was valid points. Haters gonna hate.

Its the same with a CBR300R. In my opinion, the best all round bike would be a ptwin 500cc. Even the cbr300 would do 107mph, its still not enough for highway. Yeah, sure it can go fast enough, but you really have little to no overtaking power, and the 300 you're running attests to the fact that you are above comfortable cruising rpm. To get rid of the habdlebar vibrations, i used to own an FZ07, and it had the same issue, all you need to do is swap out sprockets, for lower highway rpm. By default you choose a +1t sprocket from stock on the front, AND a -3t on the rear. It will lower your rpm by between 10-20%, and makes it ideal for highway riding, but your speedo will be off by the percentage your sprockets are off. Your mpg in final gear will roughly climb by 10-15%, so with the new setup, you can add 10-15% on range per tank. The honda grom has only like 1.1-1.2 gal useable i believe and the rest is reserve. It also doesn't even come close to 125mpg, definitely not 150mpg. With a sprocket change, the grom can reach 125-130mpg at best. Anyway, if you want a hooligan bike for town, the grom 150, kawazaki Z125, or a grom clone, like the X-Pro 150, are your best buys. They all are below 235lbs. If you want a decent highway capable bike, you go for a 500cc bike, which often is only 50lbs more than the 300cc bikes, and you can drive highway easily (with relaxed riding). A friend of me took a 300cc sports bike from miami to Daytona and back, and his bike broke down, because of going wide open throttle for too long.

Where would you get your bike serviced?

The Grom is more like an electric pushbike but with an engine, similar size, faster and no effort needed it cant be compared to bigger motorcycles but the advantage is you can also go off-road easily. Lots of fun for any age. Where i live max road speed limit is 35mph and 25mph in lots of places so its a sensible purchase.

Hi, You can't compare full size bike to grom. You can compare grom with TNT 135 that would be same category. Just saying 👍😎

Yes, you can't compare cherries with oranges, and also, where I live anyway, registrations for a 125 are almost half the price of a 300.

That’s not a real comparison imo. Completely different bikes. Both suit different riding styles and needs. Not a bad video tho.

As an 'only' bike, yeah this is better than a Grom. But you'd be better served with a Njnja 300 or 400 as an 'only' bike. As a 'second' bike, something super tiny and tossable, economical on fuel AND initial cost, something to 'hoon', the Grom is better. I love my Ninja 300 as an 'only' bike, but if I wanted a second bike, I can't think of any scenario where I'd ride the MT-03 over the faster, more economical Ninja. I'd never get my $$worth. 71MPG, top speed 120mph, 0-60 4.5seconds with my mods. I am considering a Grom as a 'second' bike, and I would get my use out of it! Triple the fuel economy of an MT-03 is a no-brainer for me, my main reason for being interested in Grom.

Nice video. Apples and oranges tho.

I had gixxer and sold it, now I got xsr900 but was looking at honda grom or clones but what I really need is an adventure bike - so mind is set on Royal Enfield Himalayan.

How are you comparing a fullsize bike to a mini moto? Obviously this bike is gonna have more power better comfort etc. In my oppinion people looking to buy a grom arent in the market for a bike like the MT-03.

My sv650 naked is listed at 0-80 mph in 5.24 seconds. 0-100 in 8.14

I would get a Honda XR 150 instead of a Grom. Price is cheaper. The better Yamaha comparison is the TW 200, but it is close to 5K, while the XL 150 is only 3K.

Not wrong but I think the GROM falls in a special category of its own and once you start to look at full-size 300cc to be specific there are a lot of options that fit the same category and some that do more than the MT then it becomes the MT vs all other budget 300cc bikes for me I think they're not meant to be cross-shopped even with the kinda close MSRP they are just two different types of motorcycles made for two very different things and owning either would not exclude possibly getting or wanting the other in my opinion. Still, I very much appreciate your opinion and enjoy the content!

If I’m gonna buy a full size bike it’s definitely not gonna be something this small no point to this bike existing

For the price, I'd rather have a KTM Duke 200. But i do love my mini moto. They're just something different.

I've neen looking at some of the Cbinese bikes but then realized I"d better stick to pne of rhe more popular rands with a greater parts a ailability like the Yamsha MTO3 plus it's a liquid cooled engine and twin cylinders which is far superior to a grom plus the .MTO3 probably has larger diameter rims and tires to handle bumps and road inperfections better ! Also the .MTO3's frame below the engine has a really sturdy looking skid plate ! 😃

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You are comparing apples to pears, I'm sure any 300 would have these benefits you say, and although you are obviously right about extra power etc, most people get a grom, A) because they are limited to a 125cc as a learner bike, and B) because the grom is not only a small bike, but a dinky little machine that is about as small and easy to get on and ride as you can possibly get without going to silly sizes. I've gone full circle from 125 to 600 to 1000 to 900 and now am going to retire to a 125 Monkey, yes ideally I should consider the 300 market (I tried a Duke 390, loved it) but I barely bike anymore as too much faff getting it out and its feeling heavier each time, and because I rarely ride it like a sport bike anyway and need a change after 14 year ownership, I will probably regret, but Monkeys just make me smile even though I've never actually ridden one! 😅

I got 2 grom clones less than 3k, after 300 swapping both, along with other upgrades. They ride like “big bikes” but cheaper and more custom, for less money. 🤷🏻‍♂️ mt is nice but my 300 swapped adv grom clone can be more versatile. And, I still have a whole other bike dedicated to stunts, max’s at 83. For the price of 1 grom or 1 mt, I’ve got a much better deal.

Simply said it is not the same class of bike as a Honda Grom. I see and understand the point that your making but you are comparing apples to oranges.

You're comparing apples and oranges you could say the same thing about any 300cc bike and compared it to the Grom. Almost like saying why get the MTO3 when you can get the empty 07? Honda didn't sell a million groms for nothing

60-80 mph in 9.9 seconds more or less.but I have seen charts 0-80mph in 9.06. lol. I dunno which to believe. I think 0-80 in 9 is with expert bike rider with changing gears. Best case scenario. More like 14 seconds for me.

Southpointe!

Was thinking of getting a grom but you convinced me towards a bigger bike like the mt03. Now I need to figure out if I should get the mt03, z400 or cb300r.

Nice bike but comparing to a Grom is apples and oranges. When I was shopping for a minimoto a 300lb bike wasn't even an option.

I wonder how you would compare the Benelli, AKA: "Grom killer".

does the Honda cb500X really beat this Yamaha in gas mileage?

lifan Kp mini outshines them all

mt03 a lot more expensive, and not legal for 16 year old in norway

Not even in the same category, plus the MTO3 is 39% base price increase over the GROM!

Mt 15 is more like it comparison…. Does it have in America?

The honda gron is an excellent first bike. Power doesn't save you more than swirving around an obstacle. This bike is about 50% more weight than a grom, and for that reason, and because its more powerful than a 200cc, i would NEVER recommend this bike over a grom as a first bike! 100-200cc category is a much better first starter bike because of weight, cost, nimbleness, after market support, forums, and power handling (cant get you in too much trouble) Your bike is less safe than a Honda grom. I think i have more experience than you to testify that your advice is totally wrong. A lot of guys saying 'out manoeuvering traffic with a bigger bike' end up in a wreck or dead. You shouldnt think of out manoeuvring traffic. You should think of safety first. Not forcing your way in traffic. There is another reason the 300cc category is sold so cheap on the 2nd hand market, because its not as nimble as a grom, and its not as relaxed on the highway as say a cb500 or similar bike. I guess most bikers would agree that: - a 125-150cc around town scooter/bike, - a 500 cc for highway commuting, - and a 1 liter+ for speed demon hooligans, or cruisers. Is all you need. You can't wheelie, because you never had a grom! Had you have a grom or clone, you wouldnt worry about dropping the bike.

Everyone should experience a Grom it's a blast I'm 6ft 169lbs 22 Grom owner I am gonna get either a MT-03 or 07 too why just have one??

you ran the stop sign at 3:47

I have an MT-03 and XT250. Would like a Grom but they are over priced for what they are. They should not cost more than 3K otd. In my humble opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Based on your reasoning you should have got a goldwing instead of that mt 03 🤷🤷🤷

mto3 is still just a very displeasing silhouette. just awkward aesthetics for all the MT series.

Mt 56mpg Grom 166mpg

This video makes no sense. You're comparing a mini motorcycle to a full sized bike

My mt03 gets 32 miles per gallon 😂

A dealership close to me is selling one for $3269

the weight and fuel economy is a turn off

Right 🤣

So recently just came across your video the mto3 is a good beginner bike but a Honda Grom is something completely different people use them for stunting people put Big Bore kits and do all kinds of crazy stuff on them retune them some people put bigger Motors in them but at the end of the day it's a small tiny little bike that doesn't take up any space but you can literally pick up and put in the back of your pickup truck and it doesn't feel like a normal motorcycle feels like you're just having fun racing stop lights and if you ever driven in a group 5 to 10 people all of them riding groms it's all fun a cheap cost next to nothing I'm talkin brand new if you walk into a dealership with 4,500 bucks you're probably walking out with a Grom you could probably walk out with a Grom at least I can that's a brand new motorcycle paid off that you can just have fun on and you never have to sell it eventually most people get tired of what they're riding still have my 2015 I live in Colorado I can just pull off the side of the road somewhere a relaxed and it's tiny and easy to get in and out of places especially with some off-road tires

Nothing to compare it to? Ummmm Z125, Benelli DMD 135, any number of Vader boom. And there are 3 other mini moto bikes from Honda 🙄

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The Kawasaki Z400 is perfect plenty of power for 4.999

Apples to dump trucks 😮

Seen some ridiculous things on here but this takes the biscuit. Compare apples with apples!

17k views and only 130 likes... yikes.

And the conclusion is an apple is better than an orange... What a silly comparison!

kinda apples to oranges, all good points, but the mini-bikeness of it is a big selling point

You lost when you said …. Everything

125cc is not a motorcycle. It may be made to look like one but it'll always sound like a mopped. It's a scooter or it's a mopped or it's a trail/cross bike. But not a motorcycle. People who ride 125cc like the Yamaha mt03 discussed here look ridiculous. They look a lot less ridiculous on the minibikes because the minibikes aren't trying to look like a serious motorcyle. Looking like an ass is not a matter of price.

Dude, you’re comparing two totally different kind of bikes. The Yamaha is a full sized bike with an engine twice the size of the Grom! Get real! The Grom is a “Mini Moto” jeez man, like I said, two completely different kinds of machines! A really unfair comparison!

are you comparing a large 300cc motorcycle with a 125 honda grom?, but you don't even know what you're talking about, one motorcycle has nothing to do with another, the mt03 is not better, it is a different category of motorcycle, it has no It makes no sense to compare them, and even less so in countries where different driving licenses are needed to use one and the other.

spend a few hundred more and get a z400.

Grom 250r

From a guy who’s been riding since I was 12. The grom is the best bike out there. I have a 2018 Honda cbr 1000rr and a 2018 Honda grom and a 2023 Honda grom. The grom by far one of the best bikes out there period. You are crazy to think that that is better than a grom. I’m sorry. And yes I’ve looked at and rode other minis as well. And I have a 1 liter bike and I love my grom way more jus so much fun you can have.

I hope you enjoyed the views from this clickbait title. Not hating, you do what you need to do. But I think you're comparing two different classes of bike, so are not really offering a feasible alternative. I sat on an mt03 the other day.... May as well have been sat on an mt07, there was barely any difference. Whereas the Grom is a novelty bike, small, light and flickable... Apples to oranges in my humble opinion.

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I rode a Grom and a Monkey. They were the slowest bikes I have ever ridden! It is the only motorcycle I have ridden where you turn the throttle and NOTHING happens! They remind me of those go carts that you rent and race on the track. They are governed I think for about 10mph and when you push the gas pedal it takes them about 5 minutes to think about moving. IMO, the Grom and Monkey are ok around the neighborhood or on country rural roads, but I wouldn't feel comfortable taking them on any highways or major roads where the speed limit is over 40mph. If you tried to merge in front of a car or a truck, you are going to be road kill! Forget highways! Why buy a 9hp motorcycle and soup it up to 15hp when you can just get a 300cc and have 35hp for a little bit more? They are are for pussies and kids that are afraid of a real motorcycle. I had a Honda 300 CBRR that I sold because it was too slow to stay with traffic, and it was over stressed on the highway because you are running near redline all the time. They are unsafe IMO in most situations because you can't avoid accidents because of insufficient acceleration.

This video is cringe and pointless... bikes are completely different classes and the mt03 isn't even a mini moto...

Dumbest comparison ive ever seen

It's a bit of an unfair comparison .Totaly different bikes built for different markets .At least you should compare bikes of simular capacity . .

The MT03 is not even the same bike by any stretch of the imagination

You're comparing apples to oranges. Bikes are not compatible 😂

MT is snore

This is the most ridiculous comparison ever..come on man that bike lost 1000 dollars when you drove it of the lot

You started off wrong, cause the kawasaki z125pro is very much like the grom dumdum, they are MINI MOTOS