Amen. Thx.

Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, Bicknell is a great resource. Thx!!

I hope it helps.

Agreed. Thanks.

Haha. True.

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Thank you!!

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Will do. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing! I'm glad to hear it.

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That's the point. How do customers know the difference unless they can see it. Now at least they can ask for it. Builders should be able to do this without great cost.

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Good point! I discourage people from using Corinthian because it is very difficult to get that order right (proportionally as well as tectonically) on new homes. Historically there are many good examples. The rotunda at UVA is an example. Thx.

Thank you! Cheers!

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I'll need to do a video, but historically we find thin sheet metal covers this well. Thx.

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Agreed. 100% its shocking. thx.

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Thanks! I'm glad it was helpful!

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Good suggestion. Let me see.

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Yep! A lot more than I even know.

Thanks, i hope it helps.

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Thanks. Let me know what you find.

The trick is to make them the architecturally correct height but then add a thin bar to bring them to code. Also thanks for comments. Welcome aboard.

I think so, I may be wrong. I've heard it both ways.

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Charleston is a great lab for learning. I'm jealous. Pilaster should mimic the order for other columns, they are just square (no entasis) and engaged in the wall. Good luck.

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Any time! thx for watching.

We have begun using Accoya and Kebony for porch decks. We use a traditional 3 1/2" T&G porch floor with wood columns that breath. Good luck.

Not really, Historic precedent can be quite varied, even between front and back of the same house. I find it is tied to hierarchy of the home. A tall porch is more grand and maybe the door is 7 or 8' tall. A back porch is simple and maybe the door is 6'8 tall. It is really managing the entire composition.

You can do half columns and then maintain a cornice, architrave and frieze. Then between the columns do something akin to wainscotting then put windows between what would be the chair rail if it were interior and the architrave. It will be distinct from the house as a porch is, and with the windows, maintain the openness of a porch, all while being enclosed

I would start by peeling back to the original columns and using those as a starting place for design. Find historical photos- pre-enclosure- and use that for design inspiration. Good luck.

I don't address it in a video, someone brought it up in the comments. It is a non-issue (in that columns have been done this way for thousands of years) it just needs to be flashed properly.

@@BrentHullCould you possibly do a vid on the flashing?

Chadsworth columns are architecturally correct. We have many of ours custom made. Thx.

I totally agree!

Hmm, I'll check it out. I don't remember that. Thx.

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Realize that square columns, (called piers) are not as common as round. However, no, they typically do not have entasis. The Entablature should not be reduced. I'm glad it helped.

Haha. sorry about that.

Interesting. I haven't heard that.

I already have. Check out porches. Thx.

Thx.

I think there is. Spend some time with the proportions and see what looks right.

Good question. There are simple columns (almost vernacular) which still are good. The ranch period is not really a classical style so it is on the edge for me. Thx.

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Not sure which one you want, here are a couple. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i7uFo81jqducp40.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZsqCnbWoxLqnhZs.html

I think you mean Plinth and not pedestal. There is historic precedent for both. I would find one you like and go measure it.

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Hmm, i haven't seen that before. I suspect it will, of course it depends how they applied it over your siding. Good luck.

I don't have the answer for all of this, but you certainly can have a column without the plinth. Then the porch or the foundation of the house are the plinth.

I think you are confusing the plinth with the pedestal. The pedestal established the height of the chair rail and hand rail height on a porch. It is also true that a column on a pedestal will have a thinner diameter which will effect the height. A column on a pedestal still has entasis. It is a proportional relationship that i will need to dig into on a separate video. The plinth is the block or base the column sits on and is typically short less (2-4") it often established a base board height on an interior. Watch my plinth video for more.

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I think Brent demonstrates in his video where this applies. The Greek and Roman orders are applied to the whole building, not just the porch. But in the American houses, the porch is where it is apparent with the columns.

Yes, historically in classical homes it was part of the proportioning for the exterior of the home. You see this most clearly in Greek Revival homes. Often pilasters, engaged in the wall support a full entablature at the top. Thx.

@@BrentHull No, thank you. Appreciate it!

@@pcatful Yeah, that's why I was curious. I've only ever seen the term entablature documented on porches. Thanks

I guess I'm thinking in a more general sense. The original Greek temples had the same entablature around the building, not just where the columns are--the portico. Same with Neo-classical public buildings. But that's apparently too formal or too expensive for most houses. @@MOUTHonesixtyseven

3000 years of building this way says no. Surely there is some roof overhang protecting this. AND you will obviously need to flash the capital. If you want, buy composite columns that are architecturally correct like Permastone from Chadsworth. They will not rot, you don't even have to flash them.

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Chadsworth for one. Thanks

Great question. You need to be a student of your market and you may need to bring in someone from the outside who can help. Thx

True. The Monterey is vary basic but works well.

Thanks for sharing, it may fall into the vernacular category of colonial which is simpler.

You can find these delineated in various texts. You can even have then carved by a computer from marble if you got the bucks.

You need to make sure the entire house can actually carry and work with this high styled order. I'm happy to help and you can send ideas to info@brenthull.com but the entire house, both inside and out should be very elegant. I don't want you to stick Corinthian columns on a house that should be Tuscan.

LOL> Yes you do.

Porticos are typically on the front and are not as big as porches.

I have a different video on tapered and craftsman columns. Thx.

There is a lot of creative license but yes, that is the idea. Thx.

@@BrentHull I am intrigued by Victorian style, like how it spread, how varied it is, and for the most part despite its variations, how captivating it is.

Yes. I think of the entasis as showing the "muscle" of the column and also the shape of tree trunks that formed the first columns. A straight column looks weak, and a tapered conical column is just weird.

Yes, that is part of it. Thanks.

Don’t make the porch 24” or more off the ground and you don’t need to. Or if you have to you can use glass or wire to cheat and maintain the visual proportion

Residential code reads 34 1/2" to 42" in height. I don't know why so many builders go to the highest. I have many videos about this and there are ways to disguise this without building cages. Thx.

Amen.

It's not the same. There aren't mathematical proportions-- it's more about the overall look. Craftsman is a later concept, whereas the proportions of Classical have been studied, copied, adapted, and abused etc. for centuries. Look at Brent's video on Craftsman. Generally Craftsman is going to be heavier looking and simpler, more low and horizontal. Measure a good-looking Craftsman porch. You will find elements like the capital and shaft are thicker than you think. Don't go light. There are lot of variations-- so of course if you get to architects like Greene and Greene, it's another story again. Also there CAN be classical looking columns in a Craftsman house but they are used less formally and mostly you'll see square columns with a straight taper.

So what are the rules! Answer my question. I am all for systems that account for evolution. Just Answer the question!!!

Yeah they do, the taper is entasis, they still need a capital, the entablature is less detailed but should exist, the pedestal is usually brick or stone. Craftsman houses were the last style to follow classical order.

This is true! But also the Craftsman style comes from the Arts and Crafts movement and the reference are to vernacular buildings and simplicity that the "common man" can produce as opposed to simple replication of classical forms, or industrial milled materials. So these are not temples or ostentatious castles, but represent comfort , retreat, and shelter, more along the lines of modest cottages. Again, there are exceptions where the art has been transformed to something more sublime. @@TheSeriesofTubes

The craftsman house is so varied there aren't "rules" because they can vary so much. Essentially this style is a rustic/simple/vernacular style inspiration and the columns are strong and simple. From the square brick piers as columns. To strong piers with tapered columns, to strong pedestals with rustic columns. The rules that often still apply is that the neck of the column matches the beam height and the column dimension still is proportional to the height.

Haha, mine too!!

I don’t notice it at all. It is a style of speaking. “OK” is a way of adding a pause and emphasis into a train of thought.

Noted. Thanks.

Noted. Thx.