I don’t get why Alice didn’t recognize Orpheus as his « brother » when he said that he was raised in this manor 🧐

The part where Frederick took out his gun took me out of laughter

1:55 ain’t no way people are speculating when he literally said “is it wrong for me to come here to pay respect for a relative of mine”😐

Tbh I kept thinking that her husband hated insects, hated Mellie's insect-related activities, he loved her when she was an ordinary girl. Because of this, the entomologist had trouble sleeping, somewhere it was mentioned that she used a sleeping pill. In the last question of the entomologist's deduction, it is written that she was sitting alone at the table and smiling, indicating that something was wrong. (I might be wrong)

Thanks for being one of the few people who talks about the story and makes theories. I'm waiting for someone to do a debunk story/basically our version of Gametheory for idv and create their own theory. Also am I the only one who found it funny that Mary in the in-game cinematic floats like Geisha 😅?

My theory is : orpheus saw alice living a traumatic scene in their past, so to protect her he tried to make forget everything. But seeing it’s not a good idea he try to go back and experiment some drugs such as hydra, mnemosyne etc. Totally lost he end by experiencing on himself and forgot everything at his turn, getting hallucination (probably because of Siren sont drug)We have to see what will be revealed later but that is a theory.

Thanks a lot to some viewers who give additional info, now I would like to add some more things on these AoM theories : Q : Is Frederick and Mary not Family? A : _Although it is never mentioned what kind of family relationship they had, when Frederick encounters Orpheus, he said that he is a distant relative of Mary_ Q : Is Alice's Alias really Eury Lamb? A : _it is heavily hinted by the letters in AoM 1, as well as Orpheus calling her Eurydice. There is no real confirmation by NetEase though, so it's still a theory. Be wary of my video disclaimer_ Q : Why did Orpheus lie after finding Alice fainted in front of the Kreiburg exit gate? A : _Orpheus doesn't want the butler to know that they broke the Manor's rule_ Q : Any more hint that Orpheus is the perpetrator? A : _After Alice ran away from The Fool's Gold, we can see that she was suffocated by someone from behind. If we see clearly, we can see that the person doing it was Orpheus (take a look carefully at his feet)_ Q : Why doesn't Alice realize her story is being told by Orpheus? A : _In the next scene after that, Alice is seen writing some things : Bandit, Picollo, Forest Rangers, Participant / survivor. She later said "could it be him? But I feel like I'm missing something." My understanding of the scene was that Alice knew her story was being told by Orpheus, but she is still unsure or needs more hints before fully realizing it is the Orpheus he knew, or doesn't want to outright say "that was my story" because she is using her friend's identity in the manor. She also said that Orphy knows the past way too well, and suspected him to be either the part of the attacker, or the survivor of the incident, so she was being extra careful._ Q : Alice said that every Orpheus' book is always linked to a cold case. What book is linked with AoM? A : _It was his latest book. The White Steed of Death_ Q : What about the other books? A : _There are some that I know of, but it'll be too far if I explain it here_

To support the fifth theory- while Alice is apprehended in the Darkwoods, we can see the perpetrator’s feet. They’re the exact same ones as Orpheus, and they’re also shown during the Mary encounter after Alice runs off.

As Fredrick said, Orpheus is a terrible actor lol- he’s definitely fishy as 😭 I swear if he does actually end up not caring about Alice I’m going to 👹

I have another theory. Or an assumption rather than a theory. There are a lot of hidden references to mythology in characters' names and interior of the manor. Especially, for example, to the myth about Orpheus and Eurydice. 1. In the dining room, if I am not mistaken, some statues and paintings describe scenes from the myth - like the statue of the man playing lira. He definitely resembles the statue of Orpheus (you can google it and see). 2. Orpheus name and also his the role this story. Yes, he presents himself as a Novelist. But when they were children and friends with Alice he was reading his stories to her and she was enjoying them (Alice remembers this from childhood). However, even now, not connecting for some reason Orpheus with his friend of childhood Alice has a particular interest to his books. Also in the very beginning she was selecting books to take with her, and these books were written by Orpheus. This interesting and moment of "listening" (or "comprehending") resembles in my mind with the motive from the myth about Orpheus and Eurydice: Eurydice was listening and was attracted by Orpheus's music. 3. Accordingly, Alice can also resemble Eurydice. Especially this idea came to my mind when she was dreaming about herself as a child. Someone was calling her. There was "Eurydice" among options. If you press this option you will also see the figure which reminds Orpheus's image. 4. Her nightmares and darkness and probably death after all (we don't know for sure) can correlate with the Hell where Eurydice was trapped. Probably the second, good nature of Orpheus in the game tried to get Alice our somehow from that help (or will try) but failed and made even worse (Orpheus from the myth looked back not able to overcome the temptation and because of this Eurydice was trapped in the Hell forever. 5. Also two more things that connect Orpheus with the myth in my mind. There is one more episode in mythology about Orpheus. During his Argonautic expedition he had to save his voice and talent to the Sirens to save his friends. In the game Orpheus (older Orpheus from previous stories) lost his talent as a Novelist and lost his popularity remaining with nothing. There Sirens are correlated with one of drugs that contains the name "Siren". I'm not sure in this theory but probably there might be something to think about. Even if isn't so it's still nice to think about this way 😅

I'd like to point out that Alice technically met Norton **before** the breakfast scene in chapter 2 - the moment after someone chloroformed her at the forest of no return (Orpheus most likely, given the white clothes), and she woke up strapped to the chair in the secret medicine lab and a shadowed figure forced her to drink a drug when she started trying to get out. The person's silhouette is Norton's! I also think the shadowy figure Alice was chasing from the medicine lab was also Orpheus, if u analyze their silhouette close enough. I think it's likely that Orpheus and Norton are working together in some way during the manor game, since Norton clearly knew the potion would make Alice forget the reality of that night in favor of thinking she was dreaming or something.

Loved the summary of some new important lore details, but the beginning of this video is just going to live rent free in my brain because I want it to. Thank you XD

Oooooh I loved it! I learned a lot from this video thanks!! I just didn't like the "this is not Alice" clickbait but it's a really good video. I think Orpheus lies about most of his stories 😭 and well.... Orpheus is definitely a psychopath 😭

Interesting..well i didn't finish the storyline so thanks for revealing those secrets owo Good video as always ^^ Have a good day Archie www

also another thing people haven't realized is that mary hallucination was actually frederick! when she gets closer when alice is passing out, you can see her morph into frederick. people are saying she may be his identity switch, but i'm not really sure about that

Isn't it weird? Like Alice's parents were in the picture with her and the picture was placed on the desk by her bed how come they didn't notice especially orphy ?

Good that I found someone thinking about the story At first, I thought that all the survivors were in the manor together, but it seems that they are being replaced. It reminded me of when Naib replaced Moror after killing him. Does this mean that all the previous survivors are already dead? Alice found that book that contained a picture of Emma. Maybe if she searched more, she would have found more. Alice came to the manor as an investigator, right? She has become a survivor now. I am waiting for her to learn the truth about the manor about the hunting game. Let us delve deeper. Things are still mysterious and it seems that the events that are taking place were preceded by many events with previous people.

Something I noticed and I would like to confirm with anyone else, when Alice gets trapped in the cellar and is forced to swallow the drugs, isn't Norton the one forcing them on her? Or at least the shape of the shadow resembled him and the stuff he carries on his waist.

Oh.....lo de orfeus no lo habia visto excelente video 👌

Oh, it is so nice chapter. I downloaded and have this game on my phone only because of the storyline. I can't wait and struggle because I want the continuation so much 😢🙏

My theory is that there is now one more game base on Alice's card. It might be the wolf and the sheep. The rule game is simple, the wolf will hunting the sheep that they want ,in this case maybe the game master who want the wolf kill someone .Reason why i think it, probably each team always has one person want to kill someone.... But why they do that? Although there was a rule do not kill any teammate before the game. If u don't, u will be punish. But they still do it, perhaps there was another prize that make them change their mind.

All my theories crumbled

I'm glad I finally found the part of the idV community who make theories and are interested in the story and lore. I had fun reading everyone's theories, they're really interesting!

Another reason Alice’s other name Is Eury/Eurydice is Alice and Orpheus are based on an old Greek or Roman story I forgot which one called Orpheus and Eurydice

2:53 that scene pararel orpheus one from Time of reunion

We've been waiting for this moment :-D This video had no subtitles Sorry I'm not good at English

One thing that might be interesting is that Norton was in the basement where Alice was

4:23 that wasn’t the first time Alice met Norton,we see that after she was kidnapped by Orpheus she woke up and was tied to a chair,then we see someone forcefully feeding her with a bottle of drugs,I highly suspect that that person is Norton because of the gloves they were wearing are the same(there was also some belt that im not sure if he wears),not to mention Alice saw the hunter form of Norton but in the reflection of the water we see that his legs were connected so seeing hunters are 100% hallucinations. So basically he alr saw Alice but Alice saw him as a different person. Btw in one of your lore videos we know that Golden Cave and Dark woods are connected so was Norton living in Dark woods or smt? Like check if theres a bed in the shack there?And as far as we know where is Bane?Isn’t he living in Dark woods. Oh I forgot to mention that Alice should alr have an idea of who Norton is cause she wanted to investigate a survivor of the Golden Cave mining accident (I forgot if his name was in the paper). 5:50 to add further proof to this, This isn’t the first time Orpheus participated in a game,as far as i know he also participated in Helena's game along with Galatea,Ada and Emil. Plus he was also the person that killed Emil. In one of Helena’s letters it said smt about him touching a gun.(See Helena's and Galatea letters) 7:35 I suspect that the person in the middle is Sulivan (Helena's tutor).The reason is because Helena was described as “Sulivan's prey” which could mean shes part of it.(btw Sulivan is described as a she).Btw i saw four people,yes there are three in the photo but for a split second during Alice's flashback we see another person in the left conner. Btw why does one of the people in Alice's flash back look like Joseph lol (i mean they did say Joseph was experimenting on stuff or maybe he knows Mary even tho its not mentioned as far as i know) Btw what is the trigger of seeing hunters(seeing fools gold means seeing Norton so im guessing that there is a trigger)? Like Mary is dead. So is Frederick the trigger?How is Orpheus able to see Mary if he wasn’t on drugs (is he on a light dose or smt) Btw if u go into the basement in the new map it kinda looks like White Sand.(the one at the lookout tower,im not sure about the others) So what does this mean? I feel like i have more to say but idk for now :3 (im a tme main that reads alot of her lore that’s why i know so much about Sulivan lol)

I already knew Orpheus was the antagonist, but doesn't he have two personalities? And wasn't he Alice's brother in childhood? I think he could be the villain or the hero depending on the circumstances. Or could it be that he's just a untrustworthy narrator?

Will there be a continuation on ashes of memory after maintenance next week?

There's a chance that Melly will become a hunter too

Melly did not marry her husband. Yet people say she did kill him. I also think that alice de ross is still herself because she got the letter adressed to her. Since she diguised herself as eury lamb is it? She still might be the lg in orphy's main quest right?

4:20 "furr"

i really dont get why she doesn’t recognize her own story been told from orpheus…

The reason Orpheus said these were his parents was because they adopted him so technically they are

Orphesus

1:11 poor guy had to go as far as to say he’s French 😔

can someone please explain to me why identity v now had the eyes?, i was left the game and community since 2020 and when I'm back to playing again i was confused to the much amount of change

That's weird. If Orpheus is someone who doing a experiment on her. Then when he doing that? Their age gap is not to far and it's happend when Alice is still a child's Umm btw, is he really Orpheus? We knew that he has 2 personality

hi silmina .i'm here to see something than i see ur channel i was great and amazing .i play granny's house . i am really bored to play granny's house . than i see identity v. It was amazing game.. i hope so everyone like ur channel bye. don't mind it .okie 😍🥰

Is it okay that I ship Novelist and Journalist?😭 I think it's okay because they made Novelist as Shuichi and Journalist as Kaede. Shuichi has a crush on Kaede🥰

So will Melly survive or not?🥲

Orpheus is the Devil