You should've just kept practicing with that name instead of changing it.

@@StevenMorales-sk5bkit was lowkey embarrassing th o, and i saw a youtuber from 5yrs ago rocking that name so thats why i changed

no youtuber is a legend. Legends are the only people with exclusive names, meaning the name is free to use and if they get pissed then too bad for them. If you like the old name better then by all means go for it dude.

Yeah, dude, you shouldn't be just drawing on places.think about it. If you owned a store or building and kids come and grafitti all over it. It's not cool. Plus, Gods watching. You'll pay for it. Jesus loves you, man. ***Soon, there is going to be the rapture. It's when there will be trumpet sounds, and after the trumpet sounds, God will lift his people from here. Also, God said people should be living by the Bible. Amen, and God bless you.

@@allenvayner4987 🤣 who says I’m tagging over buildings and stores? Lol, I’m tagging over abandos / trashbins / and random poles. So don’t judge a book by it’s cover and at the off the day it’s not that deep xD

6:07 there's a lot of people with mental illnesses that are far from toy and they participate heavily in beef. The people that have done prison years and going back. Graffiti fosters a lot of individuals on the antisocial personality disorder spectrum.

And then there's also people who stay on the low and still participate in beef and are amazing artists and even successful professionals. People can find a lot of secret stuff to do in the darkness of the night.

youfo wasn’t fully correct

@@illusionfpv1326 not everyone who uses it but 90% of people who say you are a toy. Or it’s a seasoned writer who never grew up and elevated themselves into painting actual pieces. Just my experience of it.

​​@@Taskoismyep I'm a straight up tag banger but unfortunately since age 17 have had arthritis and carpal tunnel, now I'm 45 with fibromyalgia, Reynaurds, etc etc basically we have bad joint issues in my mom's side of the family, all the women tend to get osteoporosis related issues before age 50. If I press down on a tip of a spray paint can for more than just maybe 3 seconds, my fingertip turns completely white from one of those conditions called Reynaurds syndrome. If I hold it down for more than that got to say like 7 to 10 seconds, it will start to hurt really bad. And if it's cold outside at the same time like, (when I say cold I mean under 65 degrees, I don't think that it's cold but this is what happens to my fingers) they hurt like a MF they hurt so bad, they feel like I stuck them in a fire pit😮 I guess it's probably the feeling you'd get was severe frostbite or something. They also will lock into the place that they're in and I will be unable to unlock my fingers from being bent all weird and it hurts so bad😮 with the advent of these new spray paint caps and shit on the Montana cans and you already know all the new shit they got out It's made it a bit easier but nonetheless the pain still persist from that rain arts shit and my rotator cuff starts hurting after a few minutes too from where it got tore once again from some motherfucker in my own crew same new jack who tried to merk me last year after I told him he was booted because he had the audacity to question who put me in?! when I was put in by the founder! Straight back in the '90s when he wasn't even a cell in his grandfather's nutsack😂 when I told him who put me, he said he never heard of dude and I laughed in his face. He was sitting there trying to school me about the inner workings of my own crew I literally slept on the streets with, fought with, rolled with, stowed with, grew up in the same streets and did work for.

I can't stand judging writers upon their style because to me the whole point of graffiti is going out and putting your name out there.. who cares what it looks like. It's even better if it's illegible. It's awesome if it looks corny too. If somebody want to look childish so be it. Maybe they're on the autism spectrum like I was finally diagnosed with at age 37 lol I've been writing straight letters with stars and lines and all types of gang related shit since I first was down with ESP and XIV in the early early 90s! My tag had two O's back-to-back and I drew it like an Infinity symbol but flipped it so it looked like a letter eight I put two axes through it with diagonal lines shit went hard body for an 11-year-old pale tailed girl😂😂😂 I was schooled up here in Seattle by OG's in my family (and later, my friends) out of Long Beach, Carson, the O, and SF. I like the toy shit because it's going to be the new generation of heads and who cares what it looks like. It's not your stuff that's putting out there and unless they're going over you keep your opinion to yourself cuz it's just bringing down somebody who's trying to make themself feel better for some reason. Graffiti is an adrenaline rush and it's an addiction as well. Is one thing if you want to show us some new jack styles and help him become a true king but it's another thing if you just want to be rape people and put them down because you're not confident. I got him styles and throws I can piece too if I work on a black book at home but at the end of the day I don't care what my tag looks like. If somebody got something to say to me I'll run a fade chronic pain or not I'm not playing. People don't know about my pain I'm buff as hell and most of it is mitigated now on my older age since I got out of the line of work That was causing me to have to deal with daily joint exertion. That's how I got put in my crews, I was really with the shit 😂 never went to jail never had to steal always kept a job never had to rob always hustled always kept my bustle always worked on muscle always stayed above the struggle despite the sacrifices. A lot of my crew has died rest in peace LERK1 DOUBT BTM I'm not even going to get into a roll call there's way too many

Who r you?😂

@@Lost-ov2bp ask your mom

@@thefuzzymonsta unknown mf😂 toy ahh

@@Lost-ov2bpmmmm hmmmm!

please god tell me this man is joking 😂

You're not lying about that, the scene is 10000× different. I started in 99 and if it's different for me then it's sure changed for you

@@Theartistblock So much easier to get started you can just order what you need and its brought to your door. I had to find writers and hope they would be cool enough to let me in on the way it all goes. Once I figured out what kind of caps they were using I had to find a place to get them, everything was a mission. We were using Tester caps and what are called Rusto fats these days thats the only caps I had until I ordered them from 12oz prophet in the late 90s. Nothing was easily obtainable like it is now.

Toys make excuses to themselves why shit like that is "dope". The way I explain it that seems to work the best is I tell them it's a "toy tell". How if someone always smiles when they have a good hand in poker.. that smile is their tell. Doing shit like crowns is a tell. Ppl look at it and go oh a toy. That usually gets em to see what I mean and that I'm not just tryna tell em what to do

Is he from Philly? And there's nothing wrong with throwing a crown on top of it's done well. That's OG style.

​@@westerngroovetv That's not true at all. And who cares what people look at and think. People look at it and think it's illegal and that should be penalized as well. Are you doing this for yourself or you doing this to please other people?

@@Pugetwitch nah he’s not and also, its mad disrespectful to the people who actually deserve a crown if some toy rocks it on there hand style. That would mean everyone at his level would be considered a graff king which is nothing at all lol.

Just talk to him. Don’t poison him with this perspective. For real, doing this for more than 20 years, nobody acts like these youtube clowns in real life

Nothing wrong with that we all started at the bottom.

You are toy. Ppl who write that are online only and never interact with real writers think toy is purely a bad word. Toy just means beginner. It's slang for beginner. So you can't be a beginner and not a toy. The thing is that toy is used as an insult to more experienced ppl. It's like calling a veteran in a professional sport a rookie. So toys see that and think THAT is the meaning. No, a rookie is still a rookie Even if ppl call veterans rookies as an insult. Nothing wrong with being toy when you're actually a toy. It's only something wrong when you shouldn't be toy anymore and you're doing toy shit.

@@westerngroovetv There’s still a level between a toy in graffiti and a legend as there is a level between a rookie and a veteran in sports. There’s more to graffiti than just toys and legends, there’s people in between like me. I have done graffiti for years now, I wouldn’t consider myself a toy. I am definitely more skilled than a toy, but no where near the skill of a legend. I never behaved like a toy and never did any of the things mentioned in the video. But if I look at other people’s skills I am still closer to a beginner level than I am to legendary level. My comment above was just meant as a joke. Not every beginner is a toy, if you are beginner and stay in the books till you are skilled enough you will never have been a toy in my opinion. Toy doesn’t ONLY mean beginner, you can write for years an be toy if you behave like a toy

@@Rlflfofofoekekekrk I wouldn't call you a beginner. Bc essentially I'm calling you a toy. It's not either toy/beginner or crazy good. Most writers who aren't toy can't piece. Graffiti isn't an art form it's vandalism. If you can do decent vandalism you aren't toy, but you also aren't a beginner. You're just average, or intermediate. I bet if I seen your stuff it's not bad at all, even pretty good. But the stuff you're comparing yourself to is rather complex. Most writers never get to that point. If your stuff doesn't compare to average skilled graffiti then you are toy. If you just start and stay in the books you're still toy. Bc your Graff isn't good and you don't know the unwritten rules to the game yet. Again, that feels like making the word something it's not. We are ALL toy at one point. There's no avoiding it unless the day you start you have the fundamentals of letters down and know the rules to the culture you're involved in. It has nothing to do with anything but those 2 things. That's why like you said, you can be skilled with letters but if you don't know the rules you can still be considered toy. But there are ppl who are skilled.. know the rules.. and just don't follow the rules and they get called toy. But they aren't toy. They are purposely disregarding the norms and are being called toy as an insult.

Reddit Graff subs are insufferable

WAAAAAAAAY back in the day halos were used with meaning but that didn't last long at all and now it's just a detail

@@Theartistblockthat’s amazing, I put halos on my tags because I think that it looks nice, well good to hear that it’s just a detail;)

I started in like 08. Beef was one of 2 things usually.. tag bangers,. So you got real beef. Like someone could get seriously hurt. And then you had beef that was mostly about capping ppl. At most you fight someone. Around 2010 niggas started bringing personal shit into beef. Crews were beefing bc someone broke up with someone. Lmao It got weird

@@westerngroovetv yeah I know a few guys beefing and capping over a girl and another over people using names too similar to his or his friends 🤦🏿‍♂️😂😂 we are indeed living in strange times.

I wish I was still brand new to Graffiti back in my toy years. Legit the best time in graffiti even for most graffiti artists, thats when its still new and shiny. enjoy it while you can and don't rush getting out of it.

Its the best time to be a writer when everything is new and fresh. Ive been out of the game since about 2009 but I started in 94. It was way harder to learn the ropes back then.

@@Theartistblock thanks for your response dude! i was mostly joking with this but to hear a serious response is actually very encouraging :)

If I could go back to how everything was when I was toy I would. Even graffiti Internet culture was better.. at least in my opinion. Instead of ig we used flikr. Instead of learning graffiti from KZfaq and reddit you learned from IRL ppl and joining a graffiti focused forum. KZfaq had all kinds of tutorials and buff tests and hella vids of regular ass writers getting up. You still had to get up. Can't just do chill spots and post on IG and get clout from that. My style has plateaued completely.

@@westerngroovetv I feel where you're coming from with this. I mean, I obviously don't have a lot of experience with graffiti, but even with regular art, where getting up isn't a concern, I feel like spending too much time on the computer takes away from the fun for me. I'm really enjoying the process of trying to figure things out on my own, but it's hard to stay away from youtube videos. Not to say that I think videos like this are bad, and what I think makes this content specifically great is that there's no telling you what to do. Not a tutorial, but more like a collection of hints that makes the trial and error a lot more satisfying. Anyway, sorry for ranting lol. Happy writing.

Earth is a country now

@@christophercarnes5225 i dont know if graffiti become a trend too in other countries in 2022 but here in my country they all signed up lol with block buster slaps witha word weed or dope😭😭

REAL

Word

? Care to explain what I believe graffiti is, then also explain what you believe graffiti is?

@@theofficialsaharon a problem. If you have beef then you have an issue with that person.

i know crowns looks nice but as a graffiti artist we dont put them in our tags or pieces as they belong to the legends and kings of graffiti to the graffiti kings who passed on watch Style Wars one of the best graffiti movies of all time

If you're somewhere with an actual scene ppl will beat your ass for using crowns after telling you not to. I mean, if you're actually getting up. Using crowns is like when you go to meet your gf parents for the first time and you think you're so great enough to go sit in ya gf dad's chair. Pure disrespect

Lol it seems a bit oxymoronic no doubt about that but if we're being honst, the whole rebel thing tends to be a BS excuse people spout out. Most people arent really working with that level of conviction to rebel against anything so with that its not nearly as hypocritical as it seems seeing as its less of a rebellious act and more of their own self interest. but yea, people do take it pretty serious. To be clear, they do to varying degrees, with some being over the top

Alot of people don't understand how this culture works.... it's not just about you having fun, you gotta take it serious cuz you can get hurt

I mean both things can be true. Graffiti is looked down on for that very reason after all and breaking the law isn't a respectful thing. But graffiti normally has a respect and camaraderie within its own community and that's what this video is regarding.

I know y r tryin 2 sound deep or sum shii..but you just come off cringe af