How many therapists do you need to change a light bulb? 💡One, but the bulb must WANT to change. ✌🖖

As someone who has had to teach adults I have had to use different styles of teaching similar subjects. Some people respond well to written instruction while others need to go through it practically or they don't understand

I walked out of an interview after being told that I would need to get a Meyers Briggs test.😊

11:00 Introverts do enjoy life! We just don’t need or want other people to do that. We get mentally and emotionally exhausted by being around people and need time alone to feel better. We don’t want to be extroverts or “learn” to be social.

I am so glad you brought up Psychology and Psychiatry here. As someone who has had to go through many of each I feel like a lot of people don't grasp what the difference between going to one or the other means. Hell, even my own parents for the longest time couldn't get it right.

It would be very hard to truly answer the learning methods. Mostly because teachers cover all of them. For example, a math teacher will show a problem in a visual way, talk over the problem, while having the students write down the problem and then have them do problems on their own. I, personally, could not study for a test, if I kept going over the subject of the test, I would fail every time, but if I didn't study, I would pass the test.

I've always said that opposites do indeed attract but do not last, my first marriage was a classic example of this!!! 😩

Hi Simon and Co! Learning styles or differences is a much better way of explaining to children with LD why they just aren't picking it up. This descriptive came along mandatory testing in the US. Teachers can't focus on teaching children a subject, just passing tests. My child has LD and having a teacher who completely embraced "Learning Style" greatly improved my child's confidence and performance at school. Having a 2nd grade reading level at grade 6 when he met the teacher. By grade 8, reading at a 12th grade level. Failing tests and assignments, to testing wonderfully and being on the honor roll. While the theory may not hold over a model class, I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water.

Psychologist and therapist here - I wish everyone was forced to watch this.

There was a study done in the mid 2010’s on kids with learning disabilities that found a strong correlation with LD’s and learning styles

From my experience with psychiatrists and psychologists I can tell you that the first are often the most narrow minded, dismissing and emotionally numb people that I have ever met. No other medical professional has caused me more harm (and I’ve had a LOT of bad experiences). The psychologists however have largely been the kindest and most open minded people within the health care system.

Sorry if I sound as if I'm speaking for all teachers. I had the feeling early on that using the phrase "Learning Styles" was a way of discussing differences in ability that parents and one's boss would accept. If we said Gina is slower or continues to have difficulties, it can lead to nasty emails, etc. and generally more of what makes teachers quit. The truth was if you want to get an idea in a kid's head, you try a number of ways. Is Simon reporting that researchers believe ALL kids learn better from recorded books not just a portion or that ALL kids learn better with mnemonic devices or making a list into a song? I'd love to know how to label the fact that some kids study with music and some need absolute quiet. Why not just use a simple phrase like learning style? We say style when it comes to speaking, singing, dressing or arguing? or are they also fake?

I was having strange dreams. One nigh I dreamed I was a wigwam, the next I dreamt I was a Teepee. So I asked my psychiatrist what's going on? He said simple, you're two tents.

Excellent episode! A good reminder for us to check ourselves and our discussions

0:50 - Chapter 1 - Psychologists are medical doctors 2:45 - Chapter 2 - Personality test aren't reliable 6:40 - Chapter 3 - People are not left or right brained 10:45 - Chapter 4 - Opposites don't attract 13:40 - Chapter 5 - Learning styles don't really exists

The entire time Simon is talking about the BS of learning styles, I'm over here on a mental rant about dual coding and then BAM. He hits us with it. Great stuff. Props to Kevin.

"2017 paper out of the uk" thats also about when the whole "learning styles" was basically removed from the teaching syllabus precisely because it was found to hold no supporting evidence it was ever true. I was told and self recognised that I learn best with visual materials for years, however it was only ever when paired with hands on experience, verbal guidance and lots of review of examples in writing and imaged forms that I performed best at embracing the concepts taught and moving on to harder subjects. the only 'teachers' still embracing that are those who are only assistants or temp covers because they think it makes their work easier. however its still actively pushed in the US education system as we speak.

Honestly, I enjoyed being "adopted" by an extrovert from time to time. Really helped improve the quality of my life.

There is research about learning style that is focused on other issues. Students that learn by head, students that learn to achieve a goal (“learning for a six”), students that learn out of interest (they integrate the new knowledge). These are the styles I remember. I helped someone that did research on this topic with the statistics on response bias. The result was that students that learned for a six, were the most successful on the labour market and had the highest average salary. I don’t think that this learning styles were always a personal trait. But more the way you were learned to study.

At last something about psychology that interests me since I was little girl so Thank You for this content😊

When I was in high school biology, I was also making a crochet blanket that I was loathe to stop working on. So, right as the class started for the term, I was listening to the teacher while I crocheted. He called me up after class and told me I could not crochet in class because I wasn't paying attention to what he was saying. I told him I heard and understood everything he said and the crocheting just kept my hands busy, while my mind was on the lecture. He argued back, but I bet him that I would ace any test he gave me. Sure enough, the first test: 100% I was able to crochet the rest of the term. I still have that blanket, but it turned out so hot and heavy that hubby and I have not used it LOL But basically, I know that I can learn in any "style". It makes no difference. However, a combination of listening, reading, and doing works the very best.

Well I sure as hell wish learning styles was something when I was in school because I absolutely did not learn the way we all did. If teachers had of said "you just learn differently" instead of the blatant "nope. You're wrong", I'd of appreciated it a lot more.

The first one was so hard for me bc i worked in the OR and we would call the anesthesiologist, ologist, for short. Same with many of the other docs who would come through our department. But in this case, a psychologist is NOT the doctor.

The most important Simon Whistler video I’ve seen, and I watch Simon every day across all his channels :)

Man, psychology is such a Pandora's box that I wonder how we'll ever try to understand it. I also hate that trying to use numbers to quantify emotions etc. And the feeling when welding a relationship has got to be incredibly hard to judge who/what they were like before. Because everyone in a long-term one is no longer a me. (my take on the opposites attract study + findings )

As someone who sees both a psychiatrist and a therapist they are definitely different. I currently see my therapist once a month for about 40 minutes and I typically see my psychiatrist twice a year for about 10 to 15 minutes. Also humans like to put things in boxes so we try to put ourselves in boxes, the problem is that humans are too complex to be put in boxes but because of our nature we keep trying.

A couple of my students had trouble with some mathematical concepts. When I tried a kinesthetic approach, they got it instantly. In one case, I didn't even need to finish the sentence and he worked out the answer in his head. That made me wonder if there really are preferred styles. I know I learn better from reading a book than from listening to a lecture.

Two of my best learning techniques: #1 - Take notes during a lecture. I can usually remember what I wrote and don't have to study for a test that way. #2 - Songs are a great way to remember things, i.e., "a noun is a person place or thing." Schoolhouse Rock was awesome. ;)

How do you spell Psichistrist? Or is it Psychiatrist? I'd recommend the latter. Otherwise, you might put up a visual during your video that looks like 0:54.

Okay so genuinely curious, if learning styles don’t exist then why is it I learn so much faster and thoroughly when I learn with my hands, where a few friends learn slower that way but faster if someone explains it to them?

Dude! Harsh! It is so early in the morning to find out that I am not right brained, and I don't have a learning style!!! lol

I feel like "it is imperative to not oversimplify this highly detailed and analytical research" can also apply to this video...

14:22 Each individual learns in their own way as all teachers know from experience as do all students from experience.

In fact Psi-chiatrists are pressure engineers. I call the personality letter combination a mental health issue anagram. If I see it on a dating profile, I make an assumption that they like to take guidance from horoscopes. If a company used the same in recruiting, I'd inform them that I'm not keen on working in a company like that. It gives too clear of a message of their understanding and effort in what they're doing (with their business or their people managing). Journalists are perhaps the number one reason we have myths and misinformation spread wide and deep.

Love always love his way of analyzing things. I do disagree with the learning styles a bit though 75 different styles is ridiculous, of course children and teachers can't keep up with that many differences. But I managed a business once and had to teach people product knowledge and I had to learn it myself when first starting out. I can read about something multiple times and still not know it but I can use something once and remember what I need. I learn best by doing. I would study for a test for 3 hours and still fail. My son never did homework and hated repeatable assignments. He rarely payed attention in class and aced every test. My daughter loved school work and payed attention and did ok. I still can't tell how she learns best. I have trained people who could read about something once and remember everything. So in my experience, there is something to be said about simple learning styles. But when you break something down to 75 different ones, it's not shocking that there was no difference in results.

I'm fascinated by MBTI, and it helped me to understand a bit about my current self. I say my "current self" because 3 years ago when I first took the test, I was an ISFJ. Now I'm an ESFP. The way the MBTI community talks about all the different functions and having stereotypes for each personality made everything sound factual. They speak with conviction and confidence, even breaking down the different functions to explain why that personality type is the way it is. There are times that I like to listen, because a lot of the things said resonated with me, but I did not let it dictate my actions in real life. People can change and we never know individual motives based on actions alone.

Yes, at the VA, for example, the Psychiatrist is an MD, and does prescribe medicines 💊 While most therapy is with a Social Worker who is trained in Phycology. A cousin of mine has a Masters Degree in Psychology and treated patients for about 40 years through a group he belonged to most of that time. 😊

I totally understand and accept the debunking of the Briggs Meyer test, but for me personally, I got a score that was in the extreme of one of the categories and when I read what it said it was extraordinarily accurate for describing me, even thinks I’ve never told other people about me. I answered it honestly and the two times since I have tried I got the same result. It working for one person doesn’t mean it works for others though

Some people who are good at math are very good at art.

I did essays both on left and right brains and learning styles in my first year of university and a different essay in second year of university. I studied Public Sociology but for the first 18 months we did 50% psychology and 50% sociology.

Anybody ever hear about teaching some one to learn. If you have certain methods of teaching, reading a story and writing a report about it. You first have to teach them to read and comprehend what they read. So you teach them how write and spell, also handwriting of a sort so they can show what they learned or comprehended about the story. But then they also need to know how a book report should look, the form or layout so the teacher can access how much of the story you attained. And all this is expected to be done in a series of lessons. Boy, this thought got way to brainy for a darned comment on KZfaq, Ha!

One thing about the left/right brain thing I've noticed is that a lot of "creatives" - say famous actors, I've noticed, are left hand dominant

If a teacher is really passionate about their subject, even if it's just a lecture, I often retain more of what they lectured about than if I listen to someone who's just lecturing a class for a paycheck and doesn't really seem to want to be there. In fact, I'd argue that it's more 'Teaching Styles' that affects how children learn than a child's 'Learning Style'. At least from my experience, I find I learn better from some teachers (in the same subject) than others simply based on their enthusiasm for that subject. For example, when i was learning Latin, one of my teachers was incredibly enthusiastic and animated and engaging and the other was a droner. And I retain more from the enthusiastic teacher even though they were...essentially taught the same way.

I don't know much about learning style theory, but i do know that i can either spend 3 hours in class and not understand a dang thing, or open a book and understand everything in five minutes. At least that's how it's been all my life, even into college. It was pretty much a waste of time and energy for me to be in class, but presence was still mandatory to pass.

I did experience talk therapy with a psychiatrist who was also my psychophysiologist. That is how it should be if individual wellness is ever prioritized

On the topic of psychiatry v psychology/therapy - going back a few years, I observed that my psychiatrist certainly could have been an excellent therapist. Probably more helpful than my actual psychologist/therapist.

I’m so glad you presented evidence about the learning styles myth. The research on this topic was conclusive right from the very start, but many teachers, students, and parents eagerly grasped onto this nonsense because it seemed to explain away poor academic results. It is very convenient to use a learning style difference as an excuse for poor grades or test results. In truth, the amazing on feature of being a human being is a very adaptable learner and, given a reasonable amount of motivation, can and will learn however the learning stimulus is presented regardless of the learning style. However, many people do seem to have preferences that may dictate how they structure their learning activities. Another factor that influences the learning activity is the type of learning outcome that is inherent in what is being learned. For instance, if you are learning how to play tennis, instruction has to predominantly be physical/tactile. You can’t learn piano without physically touching a keyboard and hearing the music. So, the learning style for those tasks necessarily has to be heavily focused on physical/tactile/ auditory wherein learning history does not require those learning styles. So, given all of the variables surrounding this topic, it is easy to see why the notion of learning styles is still widely accepted by teachers, students, and parents despite evidence to the contrary.

I am absolutely an auditory learner. There may not be science behind it, but I do not learn well from reading or doing. I can do exactly as I'm told but you have to tell me correctly and not expect me to just "get what you mean".

VARK. That brings back memories. Our college did that about 15 years ago, and I was responsible for implementing data capture. Of course, it was a pointless exercise because alongside being pseudo-scientific nonsense, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of teachers did absolutely nothing with the information anyway.

The spelling is "Psychiatrist." A Psychiatrist is a Medical doctor with post-doctoral training/Internship in Psychology. They are able (as MDs) to prescribe medications. A Psychologist is a Ph.D., in one or more various Psychological specialties (Clinical, Counseling, Social, Industrial-Organizations, Sensory-Physiological to name just a few). These are primarily behavioral researchers or clinical practitioners. It should be noted that a Psychologist typically has more training in the Behavioral Sciences than a Psychologist (a minimum of four years of graduate training as compared with two years post-doctoral).

Learning styles can exist. Although to be tested on it you would have to have different testing methods. I'm great at learning by being shown what to do but reading it in a textbook I struggle. This may not be what they mean by learning style though.

Some Psychiatrists do Psychotherapy too - I have a friend who is one and does this. Its why his wait list is 2 years long

To be fair, most psychological assessments if not all, rely upon the honesty of the client, it is near impossible to know what goes on in a client's psyche without them telling us about it, so I wouldn't fault Myer Briggs on that, however, the rest of the criticisms are very valid. As for the Big 5, the original goal was to discover the fundamental traits of human behaviour, thus two statistical analyses including factorial analysis were used to summarize a few thousand descriptions of human behaviours into 5 constructs, it was designed for clinical assessment and was never meant to be a detailed representation of individuality. And there are some neurological bases for some of the constructs such as extraversion/introversion and neuroticism, as detailed by Eysenck in his PEN personality inventory. As for the left vs right brain thing, I just want to add that while no one side dominates over the other, people who are good at drawing would have more neuron connections in the portion of the brain that's responsible for processing spatial information, so if a person can't draw, in some sense it is true that his or her brain wasn't developed that way, with that said, almost any person could practice drawing and develop that portion of the brain to be better at its processing. Although heredity could also play a role, some people are just naturally better at drawing than others. And for the most efficient way of learning, according to cognitive psychology, information retention largely depends on the level of processing depth, in other words, getting the student to think deeper about any topic, which causes other memories to be attached to the learning topic, strengthens memory retention of the learning event in the episodic memory. So visual presentation definitely helps, but more importantly, the contents should be presented engagingly, just showing a ppt while reading a script isn't much of an improvement.

The "opposites attract" thing isn't stupid just for the reasons listed here, there also isn't a dichotomy with most personality traits. Introvert vs Extrovert is an extremely basic way to look at peoples' sociability, and while that can be useful for explaining why someone may not want to go to a party, it's woefully abysmal at explaining anything with a remote level of nuance. An 'introvert' may very well have excitement to go to a convention, and an 'extrovert' likely has things they prefer to do alone. This applies to most elements of a personality, and there are no hard rules to traits that are incompatible between people outside of one or both of them having genuinely problematic traits. This is common, but it's not really an issue of opposites... it's an issue of what any individual is willing to deal with, which isn't intrinsic to their own personality traits.

The age old personality test problems. Behaviour cannot be predicted. But likeliness of certain types of personality defects can.

My feeling about 'learning styles' is what's being described is more about how tolerant a student is to bad school practices. All students benefit from multi channel teaching, see, hear, explain, do. While so people can learn from just hearing for instance, that doesn't mean that's their 'preferred learning style' just that they can learn in less optimal conditions. The danger is when those students do come across something hard enough for them to need more optimal conditions they might not have the experience or skill set to know what else to try so they burn themselves out doing the one thing the learned more and harder because some teacher told them this was the one true way they learned to they eventually conclude they 'can't' learn this thing....

7:17 -- Is that nurse wearing a clip-on watch? Cool.

Meyers-Briggs is unable to classify me. Every time I've taken it, I answer each category 50/50 and come out right in the middle. We took it in school for fun and we were supposed to indicate on a graph where we thought we would be, and then where we came out after taking it. I took it and put myself as a dot right at the x-y axis. The teacher thought I was an idiot who didn't know what a graph was until she looked at my results.

Fact Boy's infinite well of content is a life saver. Walking the dog would be infinitely less interesting without it.

Meyers Brigs: Everytime I took one of those, I never felt comfortable choosing one answer over another. I'm like 51% one answer and 49% another. But for sure if an employer forces me to take one, i would definitely choose answers based on what i think they want me to say.

I believe that teaching style is far more important than learning style, so I more or less agree that the VARK test means very little. I had an electrical theory professor for several classes in college that was an absolutely terrible teacher. He was smart, experienced, and well respected, but almost universally known as being a professor to avoid, if possible. Honestly, the same principle applies to the learner/teacher relationship in just about everything.

Simon Ch 3 How do you then explain Prof Iain McGilchrist's work on the divided brain?

I would say it is not that unusual for psychiatrists to be therapists as well, but there is definitely some truth to that. On the other hand, what is the domain of psychologists alone (not quite, but mostly) is administration and evaluation of various more complex psychological tests, since unlike psychiatrists, psychologists have a deeper understanding of statistics, methodology, and psychological theories. But also, it is a misconception that psychologists are all therapists, in fact, lots of psychologists work as HR hiring experts, researchers, marketing consultants, there are forensic psychologists etc. etc. It was psychology that made traffic lights be the colors they are, and that created the design of the interior of every modern car for safe, reliable and intuitive handling. Interiors and logos of almost every fast food chain having at least some red thrown in is another contribution of psychology.

Dr. Todd Grande's (KZfaq criminal psychology channel) always talks about the 5 traits, when describing the criminals he is discussing.

Something is strange with these Sideprojects films, since none seem to offer anything what is not taught in primary school. Makes me wonder if the content is reused and repurposed so much I can't anymore distinct what was taught back in the day and what is not new, but is still pretty advanced.

Im 23 and have pancreatic cancer and i have anywhere from a month to a few months left after a long hard road of chemo and radiation. Just wanted simon to know that his voice is what has gotten me through to this point, and will probably be the last thing i remember. Thank you simon and all writers, i would have had a much more miserable last couple of months without you

16:00 I'm bad at socializing. I assume I'm bad at it. I've been told I'm bad at it. The rare times I tried it didn't turn out well. So I stopped trying to get better at it a long time ago. I feel ok that I am because the internet makes possible a lifestyle that avoids the consequences of failing at it.

The whole left and right brain thing never clicked for me. I'm really good at analysis and I'm also fairly creative. I was pushed into academics from a young age because I'm intelligent but I have more fun doing woodwork and figuring out new ways to solve practical problems in landscaping and roofing. I'm a decent engineer, I can draw OK, and I also love emergency management work and can keep calm amidst natural disasters. Which side am I? Yes.

Learning style theory💩 when I did my teacher training about 2007 we had to write lesson plans that had different resources for different learning styles. It was absolute bs and the students not benefit at all, just led to chaos, overwork and reduced quality of experience

Psychiatrists in the US can also be a DO not just MD. They are similar but not exactly the same in their training. Both are extremely well trained but they have a few differences. Doctor Mike that is on KZfaq is a DO for example.

The brain hemisphere brain thing is very interesting to me, as I have quite severe right hemisphere brain damage.

I don't understand how anyone who has ever had children, been a child themselves, or seen other children, could possibly believe that different learning styles was a myth. It's CLEARLY true that different children have different learning styles. Some kids do well sitting in a class having a teacher speak to them all day, some kids do better having one-on-one instruction, some kids do better figuring things out on their own. Still others do better if the instruction is in the form of a game, others in the form of a test. How is this not obvious? If there weren't different learning styles then there would be no difference between kids educated in public or private schools, home schooling, Montessori schools, different schooling approaches in different countries, etc. this entire video makes the point in every other entry that human behavior can't be simplified down to right or left brain, personality types, etc, and yet at the very end states no wait, actually learning CAN be distilled down into one thing. Ridiculous.

Never heard the learning style theory. I have to agree with Dual Theory. All of my best teachers had all 4, but 1 that seems to be missing from Dual. Humor. When you are happy, you remember more. Interesting.

Yeah, I have talked with people about these kinds of things and they are shocked to find I think they are nonsense. 😐

if the teacher is passionate about the subject i usually end up getting interested in that subject also

I dont like to read books, but I turn the subtitles on for all my shows, so I can read what they say, example trough

Dude, what the hell ? Soon, you're going to tell us horoscopes don't work!!!😂

Far too many health professionals go into the field because of their own 'issues' or problems in their family of origin. Lots of therapist are completely wedded to single therapeutic modalities and just bludgeon each client from their (almost religious) perspective

I’ve taken the Briggs Meyers test 5 times , every 5 years for the last 25 years. I’ve gotten the same classification every time. That’s not to say I believe in it, just curious.

There is not a clear agreement on the definition of learning styles which is confusing. He is not saying some people, especially people with special needs, don’t need special accommodations “learning styles.” EVERYONE, no matter their learning style preference, learns the most by watching someone do something and then doing it themself. It is called Social Leaning and all animals do it. The study showed the students preferred learning style didn’t affect how well they actually learned. ALL of them learned the most from the same visual “hands on” teacher. They didn’t learn more when they were taught by their preferred learning style.

Have a good day Simon.

MBTI and other tests and ' typing ' seem to obsess some kinds of people who I find I can best describe as predatory. The more years I live, the more I think that 'predatoty, or not? ' is the most important way to sort people. 🤔

If learning styles exist why do I experience in real world how easy/difficult to learn or grasp something is based on how it's taught. Just because there's no empirical evidence to support it, doesn't mean it's nonexistent. A lack of evidence is not evidence in of itself. Based on how they did the studies it's not surprising they didn't find evidence. The best way to test it would be first using students who have never tried any different learning styles, have all been only taught the same way. Then taking that group, finding out what their learning styles would be and see if they learn EASIER than before. It's not necessarily ALWAYS doing better on tests, it's about learning faster and grasping concepts easier.

If psychology was a science, the number of therapists would be decreasing, not increasing.

Learning styles are interesting for teachers though? When someone says they learn a subject better by listening and watching a teacher speak about it, they are more likely to actually give a sh!t during lessons, whereas people who say they „can only learn with texts and written information“ likely just reads whatever they have in front of them and rarely participate in class. So while both might learn the same amount of information when having access to one style or the other only, it still matters when it’s actually a real world example, aka the teacher seeing with their own eyes who participates in what way in a lesson.

Yea logic may say opposites attract, but compatibility is more important for the long term. Maybe for a fling though.

Had a shrink once diagnose me, then refuse to medicate or allow governmental services to escape the environmental factors of my problems. Basically said, "yup, you're fucked, get out." Oh, but it gets worse, because he then went to my GP and said not to allow a recommendation to another shrink. And they fucking listened to him.

Bro not even one “AM I RIGHT PETER” 😂

I was an extrovert for most of my life and it is the biggest reason why I became an introvert lol. People are dumb and I can only stand to be around most of them for so long before I need a break. And I certainly enjoy life. On my own terms, as EVERYONE should. 💯

Oh Simon, you silly man talking about the brain being “designed” as if there is a Designer. Lol😅

I had a stroke due to two bleeds on the brain. Sure, I had to have craniotomy to drain the blood) but it had very little effect on my intelligence (I occasionally struggle with dates)!and my left hand and ankle are affected but otherwise I’ve not changed.

As someone who is neurodivergent, I can tell you that learning styles ARE real, but not for neurotypical people. Like, you cannot honestly tell me, someone who has ADHD and knows many people with Autism and/or ADHD, that we learn the same way as someone who is neurotypical.

11:00 wtf Simon, that's rude. Introverts enjoy life just as much as others.

I just listen to Simon all day lol

Wait a minute. Are you saying that the general public that has no training or experience in a certain line of work likes to take technical terms and oversimply or completely get them wrong and viraly use them for their own confirmation bias??? OMG!!!

Personality tests are right there with chiropractics and astrology.

It always seemed like a no-brainer to me. Go to a gay bar. Every man in there is thinking exactly the same thing. "Why are you wearing Crocs?!"

One think I didn't get wrong... Clicking on this video to learn what i got wrong about psychology 😎

When wanting to pronounce the difference in two very similar sounding words you put emphasis on the part that changed from one word to the other, underlining the difference and not the part that stayed the same. Example: Psy*chologist* Psy*chiatrist*

Dual coding sounds like a fancy name for doing what teachers already do 😂