500 Series - What's Your Strategy?

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@johnkaplun9619 Жыл бұрын

I buy the ones with the coolest knobs, meters, and blinky lights.

@kayakbandits9894 2 жыл бұрын

Dude you’re reading my mind! I’ve been watching so many videos on 500 series stuff in the last week. About to make a big purchase for the chassis and maybe 2 modules to get started. Can’t wait to watch this video! Cheers

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@BobbyGeneric145 Жыл бұрын

Kayak, how did your rack turn out? Im about to make the jump myself.

@kayakbandits9894 Жыл бұрын

@@BobbyGeneric145 I changed my mind. Ended up going with a Neve 1073😂 I absolutely love it though. Changed everything.

@jamesangusmusic Жыл бұрын

1073 SPX?

@TheMelodyGod Жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohnshey Barry your the best would love to pick you Brain one day. Question what do you think about the black lion Bluey 500 series ?

@stevesrecordingtips7247 2 жыл бұрын

Funny how many of us went from analog to digital, and now we're looking to return to the old ways, lol. Another great video, maestro!

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

So right, oh so right!

@stevesrecordingtips7247 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns I'm curious, though. For all your videos bashing Protools (bashing may be a strong term), why are you still using it? You certainly call them out for all kinds of weird business practices.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevesrecordingtips7247 I never bash Protools, ever, I love Protools, I bash Avid on a regular basis, which I hate Avid as they exist today as a company. That said, I'm, lets say land locked to a degree. My studio is centered around a 24 Channel D-Command as my control surface that can only be used with not only Protools, but Protools ultimate. I plan to move away, but not likely until I'm ready to move away from the D-Command. Make sense?

@stevesrecordingtips7247 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns Yes, and thanks for clarifying that for me. Shame about Avid. I get the feeling they're so iffy with support because of this land-lock you're talking about. It's like a trap. Once you get into them, it will really cost you to get out. If you could cash out the D-Command and the software and start over, any likely candidates for a new Daw that you'd like? Or, would you stay the course?

@lightafluident.9950 2 жыл бұрын

@@stevesrecordingtips7247 Avid sucks as a company, but Pro Tools is a must have!!!!!

@jon4739 2 жыл бұрын

As an old session drummer from another life I love my 500 series units ( I have two API rack units ) and I am always recording in stereo so gotta match my comps and EQs. That aspect has been one of the most fun aspects of my studio over the years.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Good to hear you are having fun! You know you can still be a session drummer, just an online one for home studios.

@jon4739 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns So true Barry. Actually I do a little bit of that for my brother who is a prolific musician and recording engineer. Do it for fun now. Again thank you for putting up fun content. I always get a smile on my face when you post up a new video.

@auctor11 2 жыл бұрын

Please tell us more mate! Looking forward to learning more about 500 Series! Have a fantastic weekend!

@natashanyxx9486 2 жыл бұрын

Great topic. I’m looking forward to learning more.

@HazeAnderson 2 жыл бұрын

I love cheap gear but if I ever get into 500 series ... AMEN! Thank you for the advice. :)

@armandodiaz3485 2 жыл бұрын

Although I like the obvious idea of its space saving design and portability if that’s what you need, I like the sound of certain analog pieces. Being able to find them in an affordable “500” style version would be great! Just not sure when you’re talking Neve, Pultec, SSL, etc your getting the same value for your $$. And then there’s the brands who have yet to release any 500 based pieces we’d love to see. I’d love to see this happen…

@nntblst 8 ай бұрын

Im really tempted to build one of these racks for my Eurorack studio... Cool video!!!

@nicholasbohannan1673 2 жыл бұрын

I want to get into the 500 series so bad.. I would LOVE more videos on this and even comparisons to plugin versions

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

I have plans for that, stay tuned.....

@TheStudeo74 Жыл бұрын

Don’t compare 500 modules with plug-ins. Compare 500 modules with 500 modules.

@HankStoneMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the next video about incorporating the 500 gear into workflow! I've been interested in analog outboard for awhile. The adat option is intriguing bc my I/O is limited with the Apollo twin, but I hadn't considered the converter aspect.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Its planned

@africanrevolution3551 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns can't wait for that one!!!! I'm really looking at 500

@aarongreen3802 2 жыл бұрын

being a drummer, I am very interested in this topic. spot micing everything for me is a wopping 12 channels and that's at minimum. so, learning work flows that will help get me that analog sound ,while purchasing gear over time ,to eventually have a complete analog signal chain going in ,would be extremely satisfying. please continue on with this subject matter ,it's like a Godsend to me. you are one of the very few voices that have earned my respect through communicating respectfully with common sense. thanks for your time & effort

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm able to help you, have fun!

@zxsw85 2 жыл бұрын

Respect for your content

@StarpointMusicOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

cranebourne is the company who allows adat thru the 500series rack.....fredenstein is another company who has a really interesting line of 500s interface..the bento series from fredenstein allows u to change the order of your modules digitallly no matter the order u have installed them in which i think is really cool

@deetgeluid 6 ай бұрын

Yep, great video. It’s, IMHO, all about strategy.

@senorsalmo1003 2 жыл бұрын

I was about to turn down your video at the end, when you said "But wait, wait, wait... Don't forget to click the like button.." Man you made me laugh!! I came back to your video and hit the button. Thanks!!

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

😜👍👍👍

@bingybeats189 Жыл бұрын

I wanted to get a MBP and a silverbullet(both 19in) and a vocal compressor. Well instead of that I combined the feature set and more of these 19in alternatives in a 10 slot chassis for 1/3 the price. I set out to chose pieces that create a "big" sound. Bought mostly used to save money. Happy.

@bingybeats189 Жыл бұрын

For mix bus and stem processing**

@recordman555 2 жыл бұрын

Here's a question, Barry. First - thanks, as always, for another great tutorial! So - I'm running Logic through a 2021 iMac 27". My interface is the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. I own ZERO 3rd party plugins. I do NOT have any type of "mixer'/control surface (hardware, I mean) Literally, the only 2 units in my rack are the Furman power conditioner and the Scarlett. I would endeavour to track/mix/produce across several genres: Folk, Contemporary Christian, Gospel, Country, Rock/Pop, and Metal. If you were me, what would be the first piece of outboard gear you'd add to this rack? I believe, honestly, I know your response, but I'd like to hear it from you!

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Room treatment if you don’t have it would be first. Next up, focus on skill set before new gear. Now if we on to hardware, first would be a solid mic preamp, next an 1176 style compressor, then another of the same mic preamp, then an LA2A style compressor, and so on.

@JimCaputoMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I made the leap a couple of years back after spending years in the "interested but hesitant" closet. I bought an 11 space CAPI db25 chassis and my first units were a pair of Neve 542 Tape Emulators. I added to that a pair of Kush Electras and an elysia x-filter. I also grabbed a single Aphex Exciter and the last thing I grabbed was a pair of API 312 pres. I still have two open bays but I'm not sure what I want to put in there.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you could use a all round compressor and eq. I assume you are using the Elysia on your stereo buss, drum buss, and other stereo sources. From memory, I don't think you can use that as dual mono?

@JimCaputoMusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns The 500 rack is only part of my pile of gear. I have the Audioscape Buss Comp, a pair of Audioscape Opto comps, a pair of Audioscape 76A comps, and one of their V-Comps (highly, highly recommend that comp). I'd like to grab a pair of their EQP-1 equalizers one of these days but I have't yet. I also have a Kush Clariphonic MS (another piece of gear I can't praise highly enough). I bought the elysia thinking it might take over mastering eq duties from the UAD CurveBender plugin. It hasn't. The CurveBender just works for me. I've developed a really good workflow with that plugin. I'd love to have a hardware mastering eq but my love affair with the CB plugin means I'm, going to have to be very careful about picking one out. The Clariphonic is also mostly used for mastering. It let's me perfectly place a bit of top end sheen or lift where needed. I know it's an eq but it doesn't work like any other eq I've ever used. There's magic in that box and I don't know how they do it. The plugin is pretty good too. Not quite as much sonic juju as the hardware but very useable and will make your ears smile.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

@@JimCaputoMusic I love AudioScspe gear too! I did a review on my channel on their V3A Compressor, good to hear you like it as well!

@deetgeluid 6 ай бұрын

I bought my luchbox because I wanted/needed preamps. AMS 1073’s, SSL 9k clones, and my next purchase will probably be API’s. Might buy a couple of Neve EQ’s in the near future. Not a bog fan of compression before going into the box, but one unit would be handy. Probably an opto.

@elbiso2004 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to get some 500 series in the studio. Videos on the subject would be awesome.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

coming soon

@judclark7376 Жыл бұрын

I bought an api 512v so I have something nice to use as a reference when evaluating the cheaper modules. And buy used

@AndyKingCo 2 жыл бұрын

I just got into the 500 series with a pair of Neves 542’s and wow! Weight, dimension and analog saturation you can’t really achieve with plugins.

@-P.V 2 жыл бұрын

WesAudio ng500 series 🔥

@zanem9022 2 жыл бұрын

Do u think 500 series compressors are as good as 19inch.. For preamps i do prefer the 19inch.. My ocd kicks in with 500 empty slots. I wana just fill it in. Good advice btw

@cdauterive1 2 жыл бұрын

Barry what is your opinion on the Fredinstien 500 gear?

@JoaquinGonzalez2014 2 жыл бұрын

Even when you talk about things I am not particularly interested in, I watch you, because you are very entertaining, and make a lot of sense...thanks!

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ytb917 2 жыл бұрын

great advice. here's the best use of 8 spaces i could think of: SSL bus compressor, SSL ultraviolet EQ, RND 535 diode bridge compressor, neve 1073 preamp, millennia media preamp, SSL SiX channel strip. that gets you a stereo compressor, stereo eq, two mono compressors, a simple mono eq, two hi-z instrument inputs, and three preamps. all with a-list companies.

@thomasnussbaum4711 3 ай бұрын

I got one WES Audio Supercarrier with 11 slots. Most important for me is the inside kick, it consists of a CAPI 21 mic pre, a API 560 graphic EQ and that goes to a DBX 560 compressor. For the snare it‘s a Burl mic pre, a API 550 EQ and again a DBX 560. My secret weapon for drum overheads EQ is 2 units Phoenix Audio Gyrator EQ. The Rack filled up with 3 Heritage Audio 1073 EQs. The API EQs are insane expensive but they are worth it. BTW, I‘m only recording drums. ;-)

@suriyadunya9994 2 жыл бұрын

newbie question, in 500 series rack, if you go from one mic pre (hypothetically clean pre) into the next adjacent pre (color) engaging its line input. would that add coloration from the transformers in the circuit it may have or its not supposed to work that way?

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t want to stack mic preamps.

@johnheery7473 2 жыл бұрын

@2:22 I think that is the Cranborne Audio 500 series rack.

@1eidji652 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand the db25 how its work ? How many imput and output can I have ? For exemple between an apollo x8 and x8p which do you prefers ? ( because one have db25 and the others simple line imput )

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

There are 25 pins on a DB25 connector, but only 24 are used. An XLR cable uses 3 wires. So you get 8 balanced channels on one connector.

@oig40203 2 жыл бұрын

So is the only advantage to 500, space considerations? I want to get a couple of good 1073s but that is all. Am I better off just getting full rack size?

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

If space is not an issue, and the rack version is cheaper, then go with that. There is a big advantage to having controls within reaching distance from the sweet spot.

@1eidji652 2 жыл бұрын

People tell in the internet serie 500 have less headroom than rack version, what do you thinks about that to be clear ? Thanks for alls your amazing work, amazing videos it’s very informative.

@CharLessMajor7Music 2 жыл бұрын

There are some manufacturers that has same amount of headrooms on their 500 series to rack versions..

@PearlLaneTV 4 ай бұрын

Is the Fredenstein Bento 8 Pro good to start with?

@NIP28 2 жыл бұрын

Ok.. 2 eqs.. 2 compresors... 2 .. preamps... but how about a D ESSER??? For live singing and rapping

@colbygallaher2700 2 жыл бұрын

could you perhaps do a video on gainstaging a mix for beginners? thanks!

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

It’s on my list.

@TheStudeo74 Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@tortillaman2491 Жыл бұрын

I picked up a Chandler TG-2 500 Series pre for $1K and sold it after a few months. I liked my Fredenstein tube-pre WAY better at it was $300 cheaper than the Chandler. The Chandler was great quality, but there was something about tube warmth vs. solid-state that really made my tracks stick out, at least to my ears. I really thought, at the time, that the $1K investment would enhance my final mix more than the $700 tube-pre. Lesson learned.

@hbrookes Жыл бұрын

Do the tube modules get hot? Thanks

@tortillaman2491 Жыл бұрын

@@hbrookes Depends. The one I have doesn't. But their 500 Series tube compressor does get warm and it has a cooling fan inside.

@hbrookes Жыл бұрын

Hello Barry, In your opinion..Very nice vocal channel or series 500? Currently using a Presonus 192 which is very clean but looking for THAT vocal tone..LOL. Best, love uour channel.

@vigneshkarthikeyan9702 2 жыл бұрын

I'd strongly recommend using pricing as a gauge. Just a recommendation, I know you're using it to steer new users away from buying junk, but mention that it's a blanket disclaimer if you can please.

@alejandroguzman6038 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings Barry, in what I am doing I only have the following in the 500 series. 6Api 512c 6Api 512v 4 RND 551 14 RND 542 3 RND R10 and I want the boxes with Db25, how about those 500.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

That's a solid arsinel!

@basstools 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Barry, Do you have any favorite 500 series stereo compressors?

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

The only 500 Series Stereo Compressor I have is the Stam Audio SSL unit.

@1KMPLX 2 жыл бұрын

My tax return is getting me a WesAudio supercarrier II (It holds 11 500 series modules). I will only have three pieces of gear in it for a while, but in the long run it does allow for one to get great gear at a lower price than regular 19” rack gear (both in terms of cash and space used). Two Kush Audio 500 series Clariphonics would only run you $1,100 while a stereo 19” rack version costs $2,000. Not having to pay for a larger chassis, and power supply helps each unit cost at least a little less than its full sized counterpart.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Don't rush to fill it, take your time and buy gear that will move your forward....It's a great format, enjoy!

@industryandaudio 2 жыл бұрын

I have a Vintage King 500 series rack with power issues. I’m only using two slots, my BAE 1073 and Acme Audio XLA compressor. Both of these units were manufacture tested and I’m still having power issues. I’m assuming it’s the actually VK Lunchbox not being able to power the two units? What should I do?

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Earlier units lesser expensive units are known to have power issues, but I’d be surprised if the VK sponsored ones fell onto that category. Have you called Vintage King?

@industryandaudio 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns Yeah I'm currently speaking with one of their specialists. They mentioned that my power conditioner may have something to do with it so I'm testing it without it at the moment.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

@@industryandaudio sounds right. They are good people.

@industryandaudio Жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns Hey Barry just wanted to come back to this thread and let you know this issues isn’t there anymore. Turns out I was right about my mic (Sony c100). I think the cap was having issues and was cutting in and out of power during recording. I got a new one through the manufacturing warranty. Thanks again for all the help!

@JimJWalker 2 жыл бұрын

I just got into 500 series. I bought a Bento 8 chassis, with a Warm Audio TB12, and a dbx 560A, 530, and a 520. I am still experimenting with what the chain does best with. But, so far I have used it on DI bass and it sounds great. I haven't used the dbx 520 De-esser yet. We will see how it goes.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Have Fun, those Bento Boxes look interesting

@lal936 Жыл бұрын

Is the junk the midas and Frankenstein chasis

@natashanyxx9486 2 жыл бұрын

Barry, Is there a way to get a consultation from you? I’m willing to pay you for an hour of your time.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Send me an email. barryjohns@barryjohnsstudiotak.com

@Hirokee_ 2 жыл бұрын

New intro music is banging

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

A fan of the show played and recorded that and sent it to me.

@smitty80 Ай бұрын

What do you think of all in 1 units like "Louder than Liftoffs Silver Bullet MkII?"

@BarryJohns Ай бұрын

I’ve looked at it and not looks cool that’s all I got at this point.

@babaorumstudio6280 Жыл бұрын

At least you'll keep your Carbon interface or change it to the RME/Pulse ... ?

@BarryJohns Жыл бұрын

Already changed to the RME/Pulse combo.

@JohnnyMule8141 6 ай бұрын

What’s your thoughts on the Brute by Inward Connections?

@BarryJohns 6 ай бұрын

I have to check that out. I’m not familiar with that.

@sickmessiah 2 жыл бұрын

Been thinking about getting Wes audio stuff. Any thoughts?

@sergiomonreal7405 5 ай бұрын

That Mimas compressor is 🔥🔥🔥 ! The pre has a sketchy saturation to it but the comp.. 💪🏽

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

Great topic Barry! I have just a few pieces of 500 series gear and your advise is spot on. All of the slots are not full, but your approach is the one I am doing, except the mic pres as I already have that covered in rack units. I would say stick with the known manufacturers of quality like Neve, BAE, API and etc. I have heard mixed reviews about the Lindell and Midas product lines. As always check out the used market for quality gear although it takes patience.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Lindell can be spotty.....Check out Capi vs API, I think you'll be surprised......Also AudioScape V3 for compressor.

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns I have heard great things about Capi and Audioscape. I will give them a look for sure. Thanks Barry!!!

@lightafluident.9950 2 жыл бұрын

Midas sucks. Don't buy cheap if you want quality sound.

@PurpleMusicProductions 2 жыл бұрын

@@lightafluident.9950 Yeah I have definitely heard that to stay away from them.

@tobysteele1028 2 жыл бұрын

Cranborne is ADAT 500 formatted

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

I referenced that one in the video.

@pdmcrew80 2 жыл бұрын

DIY 500 series is the way.

@BarryJohns 2 жыл бұрын

Capi and Hairball are my favs

@pdmcrew80 2 жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns Sound Skulptor and AML are also great.

@user-eb3hz8mg2y 3 ай бұрын

I saved and bought a highly regarded (and expensive) eq which was good but did not live up to the hype. I sold it and bought the Trident 80b 500 eq; it sounds better to me. The Trident EQ is one-third the price of the expensive branded eq I originally purchased. The cheaper trident outperforms on features and sound. Disclaimer, the eq points may factor into this as I may prefer the eq points of the trident. At any rate, price will not always align with personal preference or performance.

@BarryJohns 3 ай бұрын

Fair point

@johnwalter6410 10 ай бұрын

This guy would make a stellar used car salesman

@BarryJohns 10 ай бұрын

I did that back in the 80’s!

@whistlemusic8572 Жыл бұрын

Surface mount will never sound like through hole ;)

@yaadiiboy9429 2 жыл бұрын

anyone got a used fredenstein bento 2 or any lunchbox selling or want to trade?

@johnwalter6410 10 ай бұрын

Some guy was trying to tell me one time that 500 series units make your mix sound small ha ha ha.

@TheStudeo74 Жыл бұрын

I use to sell dj equipment in the 90’s. Kids with their parents or adults with limited budget would come to the store to buy a set of decks and a mixer. I would do my best to try to convince them to buy only one 1200 Mk2 instead of the whole set in a budget brand like BST/Gemini… I knew they wouldn’t be able to scratch property. There would be rumble because of weak insulation. The whole set would rapidly deteriorate. It would be difficult to resell. Anyway, only a minority would follow my advice. I felt sad for parents who didn’t have the money and would just help their kids to reach their dreams. I didn’t feel bad for the adults with low budget who didn’t do the research properly and were just in a hurry to break the dj market with cheap intentions, and cheap results and developed cheap expectations from customers and the public in general. The positive aspect of 500 world is that some modules like filters are easier and cheaper to produce but others and chassis need to be build seriously and will cost a minimum.

@electronicbox6990 Жыл бұрын

Just a quick note, I have friends that have API box, and they are noisy. And also other youtubers report that. API invent this 500, but this not means that they had the best launchbox.

@ReynaldoIvanPena Жыл бұрын

Lindell Channel X, you’re welcome

@Vibekilla Жыл бұрын

This dude is the cool version of Bill Nye for music nerds. :)

@BarryJohns Жыл бұрын

I am not that smart, but I try😁

@Vibekilla Жыл бұрын

@@BarryJohns oh believe me you are! Subbed! God bless you!

@francoisberkinjr5088 2 жыл бұрын

Cranborne Audio

@dannydaniel8975 2 ай бұрын

Would have been really helpful and time-saving if you told us what some of the junk was...

@BenLukemusic Жыл бұрын

Dubyah😂

@DarkTrapStudio Жыл бұрын

"You get what you pay for" Exept Stam you get more I guess

@noelgallard1128 Ай бұрын

But like all the consoles were 500series 🤔 and I know how much power a guitar pedal can have. So I don’t think 500 series are worse than the big racks.

@BarryJohns Ай бұрын

Has both in f to do with power, it’s space.