The Outcasts weren’t introduced with DLC, they were in the vanilla game, based at Fort Independance where you could trade tech for ammo & healing supplies, as well as run into their patrols all over the wasteland. Lyons also directly mentions them (and viceversa) as well as some other BoS members.

Honestly I just wish they'd give us 76 as an offline singleplayer when they finally decided to pull the plug. I think it can definitely stand on its own and I really want to love it but all the horrible server connections and the really grindy slow progression nature of the game because they want to reel people into the Atom shop just keep me from having any real fun

Honestly? You've made a good case for the east-coast brotherhood. I still think they resemble the Followers moreso than the Brotherhood, but you do make a very good point regardless. Also, the Outcast's weren't introduced in the DLC, they were already a minor faction in the base game.

Finally someone who else believes that the ambient music in 76 is the best in the series it’s so good I noticed it in the background of video

Excavator Power Armor also makes sense to exist. Tanks were based on tractor designs, so it's totally plausible that some companies went to the manufacturers and were like "Hey, can you build us some 'Civilian Grade' versions of this armor because they look useful to our mining business?"

My BIGGEST issue with 76 was with the fact that it was multi player only. I prefer to play alone. Its part of why i liked Fallout 4 and prior so much.

Brotherhood Outcasts weren't added in a dlc pack, they already existed in the base game o0

The attitude of the BoS in the capital wasteland always seemed logical to me, The BoS are descendants of the former US military and being in the original HQ and surrounded by the monuments of their past would be a stark reminder of their ancestors failure to protect the US public both before and after the great war, leading to a softening of attitude, and of course being a cult the split was also inevitable so personally i think they did a great Job in fallout 3.

That Linkin Park example is spot on. Hybrid Theory and Meteora were my shit in elementary and high school. I was hyped as fuck for Minutes to Midnight, bought it the day it came out, and spent the next few months trying to convince myself that I liked it.

You know whats funny, in Chris Avalone's new falout bible, the Fallout Apocrypha, he agrees with several of your points.

*Watches the whole video* : Yeah, I see where he’s coming from and I agree with some of this. *Puts Mr. New Vegas under Travis as radio DJ*: “Kill him. Kill him now.”

My hot take is that all the protagonists from all the games should have come together and opened a gentleman’s club in the wasteland called the buttered biscuit. I think that would add some much needed depth to the lore.

Gratz on 50k! I always liked the former NYC mayor's quote on agreement: "If you agree with me on 9 out of 12 issues, vote for me. If you agree with me on 12 out of 12 issues, see a psychiatrist." - Ed Koch

It doesn't matter if you don't love mr new Vegas, because out there the there's somebody that loves you. And that somebody is him.

Something I love about Fallout 76, is the addition of Plans. What bothered me about 4 is that the Sole Survivor knows EVERYTHING, every plan, every component needed. It just felt so bizarre- Like knowing every mod for X-o1! But the addition of plans, recipes, and learning via scrap feels realistic and more like a learning experience! Like how in Fallout 3 there was craftable weapons after finding blueprints! Yet they remove it from NV and 4???? (Also, 100% agree with East Coast!) (Also also- I think that "Too official" thing about Mr New Vegas, is because he's voiced by the irl radio host, Mr Las Vegas!)

I haven't played Fallout 76, but I always have appreciated the creatures since the early trailers. Having an emphasis on cryptids and folklore, as well as the more simple creatures like the frogs. I also didn't know how good 76's ambient music is. I'm glad I now know.

I absolutely love Mr. New Vegas. But my man Three Dog is on his own level AWOOOOOOO!

I prefer the original fallouts style, (even though the games are older than I am) However, I understand that the original style isn't coming back and have came to accept that fact.

I agree with you about Lyons' chapter being a refreshing break from the BOS and that it was a logical movement for someone in his shoes to do. Let's face it, the OG BOS are a bunch of (insert swear here). In FO1 they send you off to more then likely lethal rad zone for a holotape that would confirm what they've already guessed. Elder Lyons' group made what was a power up pick up quest faction (FO1 and FO2, do the thing, prove your worth like your Link from LOZ gain a boost to your boomerang or learn a new song for your ocarina) into a group worth working for. I was so happy to join Danse when he offered me a slot in the BOS in FO4, and CRUSHED that I wouldn't be taking orders from Sarah Lyons when the Pridwen showed up. I was SO hoping for a chance to earn my way into the Lyons's Pride. :(

I think 3D recreations of FO1 and FO2 *could* be done. But with a lot of caveats. - You would have to blend some MMO techniques in with a single player game. -- You would have to scale the game map down to reduce the amount of empty space between main quest hubs. -- You would have to rely on a *lot* of ambient storytelling techniques to fill in the empty spaces of the map with ruins, minor factions, etc that don't interfere with the main story beats of the games. Potentially a minefield of lore breaks and retcons. --- Adding these ruins would have to include some loot to make it worth going to them, which would throw off the economy of the original games. Ammo and weapons would be a lot less scarce. Power armor would be less scarce. Could upset the balance of the game. - Companions would have to be completely retooled. There are pros and cons here. Mostly pros in the case of FO1. The companion system in FO1 was *horrible*. - Dialog would be limited to existing audio in the cases of some characters like the Lieutenant from FO1 since Tony Jay passed a while ago. - You would have to scrap the "tell me about" system completely. I doubt many would notice or mourn its passing. - Combat would be retooled completely so it would be less reliant on "save scumming". On one hand, less annoying. On the other hand, deathclaws and super mutants would absolutely have to be rebalanced as an unlucky crit would be an instant reload. That would make the game feel a lot less dangerous. - There are a *lot* of characters in FO1 and FO2 who are not voiced at all. The end result could be a game with Morrowind style dialog in a prettier engine. Or a big budget for voice acting. - Radiation worked a lot differently in FO1 than it did in FO3 onward. I remember my first time going to the Glow. I went without rad-x and radaway. Dumb. I didn't even go down into the hole because I also didn't have a rope. (This was 1998. I barely had Internet, let alone game guides.) I was dead and didn't even know it until I died from radiation sickness on the way back to the Hub. 3D Bethesda radiation damage would be an instant death and reload. Different, but possibly workable. So *could* it be done? Yes. *Should* it be done? Probably not. A good compromise would be a faithful remake in a 3D engine, but still a turn based isometric RPG. The same game, but with better graphics and maybe a few QoL improvements to the companion system. But would it sell?

I'm glad you can recognize that pieces of Fallout 76 can be good, it feels good to hear it from someone well respected in the community. I really enjoy the game with friends now, it wasn't much fun at launch but came to become one of the only MMO's I care about.

As someone who grew up absolutely adoring assassins creed, point two really relates to me. While I don’t think the shift of fallout has been near as drastic as AC, the feeling of watching something you hold near and dear being slowly chipped away until you’re left with an unrecognizable game that’s praised by the masses is really hard. There’s still traces of what once was, sure, the hood, the blade, the symbol, but it always feels like it’s a second thought, added on to make it look like it deserves the franchise name. So yeah, they definitely don’t deserve all the hate they get.

Yeah also, the reason the T- 60 likes like the T- 45 is that originally, they were redesigning the 45 but were like, “This looks a bit to different, eh let’s make it a new kind” (Learned that from “The Art of Fallout 4”, epic book)

I would consider being kinder to the OG Fallout fans if they were willing to do the same to Bethesda Fallout fans.

These feel a lot less like hot takes and more like stuff the fallout community really needs to hear

But where does trapped Father Elijah fit into your DJ power ranking?

Love the content man, you are one of the best fallout content creators out there! Keep up the fantastic work, keep grinding king!

The ambient music in 76 is so nice. Even the fight music that scares you a little bit when you can’t see who’s attacking. So good.

I actually feel a lot of these takes, especially defending 76's design and the Brotherhood of Steel in 3. 76 is in no ways perfect or my favorite Fallout game, but it's environment direction and diversity is a great step and I would like to see some expansion on biodiversity or even creature behaviors for the AI (running my custom TTRPG and deciding how creatures behave has been fun). 3 is also my favorite Fallout game (with my favorite radio host) and having a game that takes the Brotherhood in a different direction is great, though I would have liked some expansion on their anti-ghoul sentiments mentioned by the Underworld ghouls and a bit more friction in the pre-Enclave sections of the game between the Brotherhood and populace since they were still rather insular despite the good they were doing.

I quite agreed with every point you made. From the diversity of the brotherhood to the weird power armor lore and even to Travis being the best awkward dj. Congratulations on your 50k mile stone, I hope you continue with your work and may ATOM bless thee with his Glow. May the water you find in the desert shine at you in the dark

I think an AI like Mr. New Vegas being professional isn't a problem. The problem is that we should be reminded often he is a machine to counter his character

I largely agree with you even though I played FO1 and FO2, extensively, in my mid-20s. The first two games were a wonderful homage to the original Wasteland games in the 1980s but brought such a wealth of their own worldbuilding and content that I feel that Fallout is arguably the better game. Yes, Bethesda's Fallout 3 was a significant departure from OG Fallout, but I loved it so much that I put well over a thousand hours into it. The subsequent games received even more of my attention.

This was actually very tame lol. I thought it would've included something like "New Vegas isn't as good as people think"

I am so happy someone like you is on YT as a Fallout CC, it was stale with the cigar breath, whiskey stained fedora being the only like in-depth lore person for a while.

It’s been such a pleasure seeing this channel grow. Can’t wait to see what the future holds!

minor thing: outcasts were in fo3 before broken steel was added.

Atom’s blessings upon you for the 50k subs.

Congratulates on 50K subs! I first started watching you when I saw your video on the chems of Fallout! I was eating a cheeseburger and fries and decided I wanted to watch a Fallout video and I watched yours! Thanks for all the cool lore info and to tell us all the wacky facts in this game series!

Congratulations on the milestone, my dude!

Big congratulations!!! Loved how fun this video was. So proud to watch you grow and improve over time. Glory be and best of luck to your future!!

I would love to hop back into 76, I have like 80 something hours in it, but It crashes anytime I try to launch it sadly. Congrats on 50k man been here for a while you deserve alot more, don't let it change you though.

ive been here since about the 3k mark. love seeing your channel grow! heres to 100k!

Thank you Rad Dad. This was fanTASTIC background for something I have been putting off for like, a year now. I have finally finished modding a 20 year old game to suit my preferences

Congrats on 50k subscribers. Love your content man.

Congrats,im surprised you didnt have more Subs.Your content is top notch man.Good luck moving forward.

"and those who I've played 76 with" *pulls shirt collar* in all seriousness I should get on more

The Witcher 3 covers multiple countries so maybe a remake could work like in that game. You could fast travel between the different locations like in the original and still have random encounters.

Congratulations!!!!! I've been here for a while love your videos

Your DJ opinions validated a lot for me

Have to agree with all these, so twinning on these points, but each of them are certainly 'controversial' to a portion of the fanbase. Even as someone who would be considered a 76 apologist (cuz I love it even if some things could be better) the 3-4 things you describe are at or near the top of my list as well. Perhaps coming into the series with Fallout 3 while wanting to see where it came from, is part of what gives us this perspective? Anyway congrats on 50k and some really enjoyable vids along the way! I watch a lot of your long-form content and find it really interesting and well thought out.

I may be your long lost twin, because I agree with all of your points!

I have been watching for a nice while. Glad you got to 50k. Keep it up, I hope this does you well. Now do more opinion pieces.

From my perspective Lyons may have not really diverted from the original goals of the Brotherhood, considering that pacifying the Capital Wasteland would have made the search & discovery of Technology much easier. It may have even motivated the local population to aid the Brotherhood in this in the long run. Be it out of gratitude, or in return for rewards in form of caps or trade.

Good arguments, I agree with a bulk of these opinions too. Congrats on 50k !

Personally, my favorite DJ was Three-Dog and I feel it was kinda all downhill from there. Mr. New Vegas and Travis just didn't do it for me the same way Three-Dog did.

I didn't have a computer back when Fallout 1 and 2 first came out, but when I was a young teen those games were given for free with gaming magazines, and this was around the time when Fallout 3 was already announced, and the games were basically marketing for the magazine's Fallout 3 articles. So around the time I finished 1 and 2, 3 was released. So while I was in the Fallout 3 generation age-wise, I played 1 and 2 first thanks to gaming magazines, and I also felt that sense of "this is like a different band entirely" as a result.

Man I am so happy you hit 50k. You’re one of my absolutely favorite people on here. Honestly if it weren’t for you and some others I’d delete YT. If you play 76 on Xbox HMU in fact if anyone wants to play let me know

Hey, congrats on 50k! Your videos are always informative and make me think. Regarding a couple of your points: 1- Elder Lyons was a Paladin during the purge of The Pitt, before continuing on to DC. I would think that gave him the motivation to change The Brotherhood's direction. Here's another city, destroyed and almost full of mutants, ghouls, and raiders, and some innocents. So the question probably was "Do we purge this place like The Pitt, or do we actually use what we have to help people?" 4- Fallout 76 had its moments. They were few and far between, but they were there. It's just the 'story' that I found lacking (not to mention the bugs and exploits) But I respect people who like 76, because I did for a little while. For about 2-3 months. Then the grind, the repetition, the unimaginative quests, and the constant need to repair everything killed my interest in playing any further. Keep up the good work!

I would have to agree with you on all counts. Some for my own reasons. It is stated in the lore that the capital waste BoS were effectively shunned by the west cost due to Lyons choices so i see it as a good fit and a smart choice to show what a more helpful BoS could be. As for the power armor you are spot on with the point of each branch wanting their own models and even today we have many close limited run platforms used for testing, also the retooling idea is wonderful. Especially in a resource limited time they would definitely use a preexisting platform to make the base of a new one saving time and cost. All in all it is a good list and I look forward to more content when you can make it.

I'm glad to start to see this channel blow up

I’ve been watching for a long time, I thought I was subscribed, but congrats!

I'm your long lost twin. Where is my consistent healthy discussions ?! Love you bro.

congrats on 50k bud I love your videos and cant wait for more of them lol

When you made the "old band you loved that changed over the years" analogy, that really hit home for me, and that band for me is ironically Fallout Boy lol.

Congrats on the 50k!!!

Congrats on 50k subscribers 👏👏👏🎉🎉

First off congratulations on the 50k. You really do topnotch work here. Second I couldn't agree more with your first opinion, that the East coast BoS was a good change an ideological shift is bound to happen over 200 years. Lyons was already a upstart among the other Elders. His chapters journey across the wasteland only cemented and gave clarity to his different beliefs. My controversial opinion is that Fallout 4's Maxson's BoS is not a wild departure from Lyons' vision as I've heard people believe it to be. Infact Maxson's east coast BoS is still overwhelmingly Lyons' vision of what the BoS should be. They still produce and distribute Aqua Pura, still openly defened, educate and recruit from the wasteland population, still anti-mutation be it supermutant, ghoul ect, still against the abuse of technology. The difference is Elder Lyons was older and learned to speak softly and carry a big stick. I could easily imagine a younger Lyons being just as passionate and frustrated as Elder Maxson seems in fallout 4. They both were practically exiled from the thing they loved most, Lyons because his views were considered controversial and Maxon because his bloodline was inconvenient. Point being Owyn Lyons and Arthur Maxson are FAR more similar in there vision for the BoS then the fans give them credit for.

Some time late but COGRATS on the growth of ur channel man!

Congratulations brother.🍾

Congratulations deer brother you deserved it may Atoms glow forever shine upon on you

Congrats on the 50k

50K? I’m a newer sub but I thought you had like 200K bc of the production. underrated bro

So happy there's a new video. I love your content

I honestly love what fallout 4 did with power armor, it feels a lot more clunky and more like power armor should be, a huge, slow, and heavily armored suit of armor that needs power to function. Not like previous fallout games where after you get the training you just equip it like any other armor. The only thing i don't like about fallout 4 power armor is that you dont need the training. Which makes sense if you chose the male character, who was canonically in the military...but it makes no sense when you pick the female character, who was a lawyer.

Congrats on 50k

I'll be honest I didn't know Lyons breaking away was unpopular, I loved it personally

RADKING yes thanks for doing my suggestion.

I find I have to agree with everything here, although I doubt I'll even really come to like Fallout 3 or '76. In defense of Fallout Tactics, this was actually a pretty common practice at the time. The idea was to take one aspect of a game that people loved (usually the combat system) and make an entire game based around it. The games weren't necessarily meant to be canon and usually existed in a sort of limbo, with the player deciding if it was canon or not. A really good example of this (which was also a flop) was when they released an XCOM-based flight sim where you flew a fighter to take on UFOs. For those of us old enough to remember when it came out, the game was horribly panned because it strayed too far from the source material, despite it not being a horrible game on its own. In terms of whether the original games should be remade, I agree that Bethesda should leave them alone. Bethesda is a company whose profit margins depend on there being fewer scandals, so they would HAVE to take out important aspects such as slavery to avoid a lot of slandering, even though those topics exist BECAUSE they're meant to spark thought and discussion. On the other hand, modders don't have to worry about political opinions and can focus on including all the original content without penalty. It's possible they'll solve the overworld travel through use of a "travel map" similar to the original games, with only the locations and random encounters being in 3D, which I think is a perfectly workable compromise. When it comes to power armour, I look at the East-West Divide before judging. We know that the eastern seaboard has a very heavy emphasis on the '50s retro aesthetic, as well as a very nationalistic view. Meanwhile, the western seaboard is much less interested in nationalism or retro aesthetics. In fact, there's plenty of evidence in the games (an I believe Bethesda did this intentionally) that the riots led to something of a split in the nation, with the east being turned to nationalistic propaganda due to its proximity to DC, whereas the west coast kind of went its own way and was largely ignorant of what was going on in the east. So if we take the East-West divide as fact, it stands to reason that defence contractors on the east coast (the hotbed of the nationalist movement) would have developed the T-60 as an upgrade to the T-45, as well as additional armours that may or may not have ever seen active service. Meanwhile, most of the troops returning from Anchorage wouldhave filtered down the west coast where much of the T-45 and T-50 production was likely based. This would explain why we only see those armours in the early Fallout games. The passage of time is yet another consideration, with Fallout 2 happening well before Fallout 3, giving the Enclave plenty of time to develop new power armours. However, this does leave '76 to stand out like a sore thumb, since the sheer abundance of unique armour types that are found nowhere else and yet are all prewar kind of turns everything on its ear. That's the one place where I can't find a justification that makes logical sense at this time.

Damn never seen a subscriber milestone video that's designed to potentially get rid of subscribers lol I love it!

As soon as he said Mister New Vegas wasn't the best, I reached for my torch and pitchfork

I agree with the 76 take. While certain aspects of the game are not great it did do a great job with many things, and example you didn't mention but I really like is how they managed to bring back maintaining/repairing your gear and working it into the scrap system Fallout 4 introduced. This was something that kinda annoyed me with 4 as I feel that sort of maintenance of gear would be important in a post apocalyptic setting. A lot of the environment stuff, I also believe benefits from this rural setting and not having to squeeze in some major city. Also the Wastelanders expansion did bring in more skill checks and traditional dialog boxes, which I also personally deem as an improvement over 4.

A real world example for the ideological difference in the West and East coast Brotherhoods would be the various Potestant movements in Europe, both from the Catholic church and from each other. Many of which fought vicious wars over their right to exist and practice freely, often with living memory of their founding. more rapid and more bitter divides have occurred in the real world.

On your first point, you forgot to mention the events leading to the rise of Ashur, which is tied to both the Brotherhoods history, and that of the Pitt region. On the point you made about Bethesda's acquisition of the Fallout series, I can agree to some degree. I do think the Fallout 3 we got was still decent, but Van Buren would have been great I think. Also I think Tactics is a good game, and while a departure from the traditional style, had promise in terms of lore and story. Also there were some interesting creatures in the game. I think Tactics was trying to do something that in it's time might not have stuck.. but I think if a Fallout game was made today in a similar way, it'd be well received. Think a Fallout game made in the XCOM style. You could add co-op, and have a larger world like 76(not as big to allow for some streamlining and more efficient development). You'd walk around in normal fashion (also a vehicle would be an option to get, or mounts). And when you enter combat, instead of the traditional VATS system, you'd have an XCOM style tactical system.

Man you're making me tempted to give 76 a full play, I tried it a few months before the wastelanders update in a free trial and it felt so empty, but so many people have said it's massively improved

I was in the same boat of that I probably never would've played fallout if not for fallout 3, but my love for that game and NV led me to get into the original fallout games and wanting more. I then went on to play a few of obsidian's other game including tyranny and the POE games,and further speaking of POE, I'm extremely excited for obsidian's 1st person sequel/prequel (unsure of which it is at this point) of it, Avowed that'll hopefully be coming any time now

Agree with you on Linkin Park, their music hasn't been the same since What I've Done.

I like the new logo! It’s like the DraftKings logo, but more green lol

Ngl, your channels great. I haven't seen such detail observations since the Nth Apple retired his channel

I dont mind new power armours when they make sence. The excavator suit is cool, the "secret service" power armour is dumb. IMO. Enjoyable video none the less and I found myself agreeing wuth most of your takes. Good stuff!

A year late, but ... @9:00, your discussion of liking Linkin Park's older stuff, and wishing they'd go back to that sound reminds me of my thoughts on Metallica. But after a decade or two of what I think of as "Metallica in name only", they've taken the stuff that worked from both their old and new stuff, and started putting out great music again. Perhaps Linkin Park can do the same.

Now that I got to see this video and thought about the ambient music (13:30), I wonder how Cobalt 60 (C&C [German version], Wing Commander Prophecy) would have worked with BoS and the later canon titles.

WV is, by far, my favorite Fallout map which surprised me as I always gave that title to the Capital Wasteland. Just the amount of stuff to see and explore (especially after Wastelanders) made it one of my favorite experiences in a walking simulator. It was the one of the only reason I stuck w it from Beta until Fractured Steel/Steel Dawn.

Absolutely agree on Elder Layons!! And music,as well.

DUDE.. I was literally thinking Linkin Park when you made the comparison

Not at all likely but imagine getting Tactics 2, Extreme, and BoS 2 instead of 3, NV, and 4... I shuddered at the thought.

I’ve always understood the original Fallout OG’s complaints. For me, Fallout hasn’t felt the same after New Vegas. But I have gotten some enjoyment from Fallout 4 and 76, just not nearly as much.

I wish the old games were remade but made in the fashion of something like Baldur's gate 3 or divinity original sin 2. i feel like the fact that people miss the story's of the first 2 really suck and it would be nice for people to be able to play it.

I've never disrespected OG fans and understand where they're coming from when they don't like modern Fallout games but there are also people who are fans of the original games and NV but completely crap on Bethesda fans. I once said that I couldn't play the original Fallout games because I can't afford a PC and a bunch of people either accused me of "being afraid to try new things" or said that I don't deserve to be a gamer or whatever. And a lot of NV fans break the rule of "don't bring your political beliefs into video games" and will insult your intelligence just because you don't like the game. In short, the Fallout fandom is 90% of people arguing over the old games vs the new games, 8% people playing political horoscopes, 1% is Fallout KZfaqrs getting into drama, and 1% is everyone else just trying to enjoy the series as peacefully as they can.

Happy for you bro

Congratulations! Hail to the King, baby!