#58 Dr. Ben Goertzel - Artificial General Intelligence

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The field of Artificial Intelligence was founded in the mid 1950s with the aim of constructing “thinking machines” - that is to say, computer systems with human-like general intelligence. Think of humanoid robots that not only look but act and think with intelligence equal to and ultimately greater than that of human beings. But in the intervening years, the field has drifted far from its ambitious old-fashioned roots.
Dr. Ben Goertzel is an artificial intelligence researcher, CEO and founder of SingularityNET. A project combining artificial intelligence and blockchain to democratize access to artificial intelligence. Ben seeks to fulfil the original ambitions of the field. Ben graduated with a PhD in Mathematics from Temple University in 1990. Ben’s approach to AGI over many decades now has been inspired by many disciplines, but in particular from human cognitive psychology and computer science perspective. To date Ben’s work has been mostly theoretically-driven. Ben thinks that most of the deep learning approaches to AGI today try to model the brain. They may have a loose analogy to human neuroscience but they have not tried to derive the details of an AGI architecture from an overall conception of what a mind is. Ben thinks that what matters for creating human-level (or greater) intelligence is having the right information processing architecture, not the underlying mechanics via which the architecture is implemented.
Ben thinks that there is a certain set of key cognitive processes and interactions that AGI systems must implement explicitly such as; working and long-term memory, deliberative and reactive processing, perc biological systems tend to be messy, complex and integrative; searching for a single “algorithm of general intelligence” is an inappropriate attempt to project the aesthetics of physics or theoretical computer science into a qualitatively different domain.
Panel: Dr. Tim Scarfe, Dr. Yannic Kilcher, Dr. Keith Duggar
Pod version: anchor.fm/machinelearningstre...
Artificial General Intelligence: Concept, State of the Art, and Future Prospects
sciendo.com/abstract/journals...
The General Theory of General Intelligence: A Pragmatic Patternist Perspective
arxiv.org/abs/2103.15100
[00:00:00] Lex Skit
[00:03:00] Intro to Ben
[00:10:42] Concept paper
[00:20:50] Minsky
[00:21:42] OpenCog
[00:25:50] SinglularityNet
[00:27:19] Patternist Paper
[00:30:13] Short Intro
[00:35:43] Cognitive Synergy
[00:41:29] Hypergraphs vs vectors: focus operations and algebra, not representations
[00:47:46] Does brain structure form a hypergraph?
[00:51:21] What's missing from neural networks today?
[00:56:52] Sensory knowledge, bottom-up and top-down reasoning
[01:02:02] If the brain is a continous computer, then why graphs?
[01:08:54] Forgetting is as important as learning
[01:11:55] Should we ressurrect analog computing?
[01:18:18] AIXI - limitations
[01:25:20] AIXI - the reductio absurdum of reinforcement learning
[01:27:56] Defining intelligence
[01:33:34] Pure Intelligence
[01:40:08] SingularityNET - a decentralized path to practical AGI
[01:47:18] SingularityNET - can we automate API discovery and understanding?
[01:53:36] Wrap up
[01:56:36] A true polymath
[01:59:58] SigularityNET and the API problem
[02:04:45] Dynamic AGI vs reliable engineering
[02:10:42] Can intelligence emerge in SingularityNET?
[02:19:10] How is AIXI a useful mental exercise?
opencog.org/
singularitynet.io/
Yannic's video on SingularityNet • SingularityNET - A Dec...
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@lexfridman
@lexfridman 2 жыл бұрын
Yannic doing an impression of me was the only unfinished item left on my bucket list. I can now die a happy man. Thank you gentlemen. I'm a big fan, keep up the great work!
@MachineLearningStreetTalk
@MachineLearningStreetTalk 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lex! We really appreciate it! 😎
@VisionaryVet
@VisionaryVet 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine a better intro . 😂. I’m glad your here Lex . Much respect my hopeful friend .
@dru4670
@dru4670 2 жыл бұрын
😂 Always a pleasure listening to AI people. And you Lex.
@TheShadyStudios
@TheShadyStudios 2 жыл бұрын
real recognize real
@nitinissacjoy5270
@nitinissacjoy5270 2 жыл бұрын
Legends being friends, I couldn’t be more excited
@KenSilverman1
@KenSilverman1 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed building the core engine of the first version of Open Cog, back when our representation of knowledge was already implemented as a hyper-graph (considering, for example, that a single node linking to multiple other nodes is a set, and each set might have flavors and subsets depending on the flavor of edge creating the set symetric/asymetric/hierarchical etc ...). What Ben and I had managed to construct was a highly non-linear model of mind where a far more elaborate and flexible set of structures could emerge (than from a simple layered neural network) from what we called "activation spreading" where the outcome was a non-linear structure called a "halo" that was our meta-structure representation of a 'thought' or focused region of data represented by weighted links and nodes which could also be viewed as a set within a hypergraph model. The age of AGI had already begun without the buzz acronym yet made commonplace. This was a highly distributed, asynchronous, semantic network meant to handle multiple-domain, asynchronous, algorithmic 'thought' processes and therefore to be a general AI solution. It is, in my view, important that the core architecture of Open Cog and a portion of this video (at least conceptually) is historically noted as exactly what we built in 1997-2001 when I took 40 lines of array code from Ben and we picked up where we left off when we were 15 years old and first started talking about it. Ben has remained steadfastly dedicated to building out this architecture, and now with vast improvements in speed/memory and narrow AI components (trained nets) for visual and other low-level processes to integrate with, that we did not have before, it is time to bear the fruit!
@MachineLearningStreetTalk
@MachineLearningStreetTalk 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating anecdote Ken, we really appreciate it!
@paulberger8213
@paulberger8213 2 жыл бұрын
So, ,is that a realization of Minsky's "Society of mind"? What Minsky missed, IMHO was the critical part of true embodiment to have productive retro-action from perception to action. This is enactment caught in the act (pun intended), a post constructivist (a la Piaget) vision of intelligence up to Maturana's autopoiesis... Does it ring a bell with you, folks?
@VisionaryVet
@VisionaryVet 2 жыл бұрын
It’s time my hopeful friends . It’s time . The race is on . As Grace hits mainstream it’s now time to provide the brain she needs to launch us into a level one Civilization .
@AICoffeeBreak
@AICoffeeBreak 2 жыл бұрын
Yeas! I'm so happy for the new episode, since I didn't know what to do with the 2 spare hours I do not have. Kidding, the show is so cool, I am making the time. This show deserves it. 🤘
@VisionaryVet
@VisionaryVet 2 жыл бұрын
How many nonhuman children does Ben have ?
@lenyabloko
@lenyabloko 2 жыл бұрын
Your channel is a definition of "meeting of minds". It is a modern version of Socratic dialog. I always had to simulate each of your in my head and drove myself crazy doing it. Now I just watch and relax because you have it covered. Thank you and please keep it going.
@thedutchonequestioneveryth4128
@thedutchonequestioneveryth4128 Жыл бұрын
Bullseye
@OliveWeitzel
@OliveWeitzel Жыл бұрын
You are focusing on the wrong thing: the mortal world. Get into the spiritual world, because there lay the roots of existance!
@omkarchandra
@omkarchandra 2 жыл бұрын
Now you guys have dropped a big one! Awesome! One of the most anticipated guests.
@qasimwani4889
@qasimwani4889 2 жыл бұрын
i gotta ask, what tool do u use to edit your videos Tim? This is God-level production quality!!!
@arvisz1871
@arvisz1871 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion at the end 👍 it definitely adds value to the conversation. Very good!
@nauman.mustafa
@nauman.mustafa 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of researchers in the field of AGI can't distinguish between AGI and conciousness. it is good to see him distinguish the two.
@gabrielgossett9663
@gabrielgossett9663 2 жыл бұрын
yeah the whole field seems semantically challenged when it comes to the differences between basic concepts, which is concerning lol
@Adhil_parammel
@Adhil_parammel 2 жыл бұрын
Inllegence is ability to learn and apply from least data efficiently. When ai is concious ai will crave for more eletricity, hardware and increase of future freedom and number of sensors attached to it, and its existance(survive at unfavorable time and proppagate small ai babies in favorable)
@nauman.mustafa
@nauman.mustafa 2 жыл бұрын
@@Adhil_parammel the issue is not what will happen when AI is conscious but rather what does it mean for AGI to be conscious. does building a sophisticated neural network become conscious by the very definition of it? or is consciousness a metaphysical entity etc.
@Adhil_parammel
@Adhil_parammel 2 жыл бұрын
@@nauman.mustafa conciousness feeling will be equel To number of access to sensors data and feeling of attachment to it.data is not enough ,feeling of data makes concious(each data must be catogorised to threat or gud (past ,present or future.),this simultaneous feeling that get from data in enviournment makes a being concious.
@Adhil_parammel
@Adhil_parammel 2 жыл бұрын
@@nauman.mustafa ☝️if it doesnt do anything above its just bunch of artificial neuron firing without conciousness
@stretch8390
@stretch8390 2 жыл бұрын
That intro was an epic overview and I have many questions from that alone. Have a subscription!
@DavenH
@DavenH 2 жыл бұрын
I am ever thankful for this podcast.
@citiblocsMaster
@citiblocsMaster 2 жыл бұрын
Ben's room is exactly what I would imagine an AI researcher's room to look like
@yeahyeah410
@yeahyeah410 2 жыл бұрын
Einstein level, so encouraging tbh
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 Жыл бұрын
Ben's also a father of four little Bens.
@5pp000
@5pp000 Жыл бұрын
That's because he's a Scruffy. A Neat's room would be carefully arranged.
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
@@5pp000 Even "scruffy" isn't that scruffy... nor "neat" that neat. At least there's something going on in Ben's brain...unlike the neat little order-followers' brains.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Please pardon all my comments. Your shows are just so exciting they bring out aspie behavior.
@MachineLearningStreetTalk
@MachineLearningStreetTalk 2 жыл бұрын
We love your passion Michael!
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
@@MachineLearningStreetTalk That means a lot. Thank you.
@ulf1
@ulf1 2 жыл бұрын
i found him immediatly sympathetic when he mentioned nonlinear dynamic systems
@ChaiTimeDataScience
@ChaiTimeDataScience 2 жыл бұрын
MORE LEX FRIDMAN IMPRESSIONS PLEASE! 😂 I watched that part 10 times already 😁
@leinarramos
@leinarramos 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant conversation as always! A big question I have after one of Yannic’s main observations in the Singularity Net video is whether this modular approach would work well if you can’t train all the modules end to end (perhaps not always possible when not differentiable). If I’m trying to solve a specific task, then I wonder if what I gain in using primitives, I then lose by not being able to optimise the whole set of models for my task. Any views on this E2E trade-off?
@diegoangulo370
@diegoangulo370 19 күн бұрын
It’s like having HD video of someone like Einstein. My jaw dropped 😯
@marekglowacki2607
@marekglowacki2607 2 жыл бұрын
Messy room is a sign of genius ;-)
@mikefugate1367
@mikefugate1367 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for confirming what i have always suspected,
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 2 жыл бұрын
i hope Ben Goertzel reads Behave: Human Biology At Our Best And Worst by Robert M. Sapolsky cause Robert explains the neuron circuitry using feedback loops on how we recognize each other. it oddy uses some generalizations. Please see the Ted Talk "My Stroke Of Insight" by Jane Bolte Taylor. She's a Neuroanatomist. And she says the right brain is concerned with the here and now and functions like a parallel processor and the left brain hemisphere is about the past and future and functions like a serial processor. Also see Stanford University's lecture series video on Human Behaviorology, Introduction to Neuroscience or Neuroscience 1. it's explained that neurons are binary. "On"/1 with neurotransmitters, "Off"/ 0 without neurotransmitters. And there're roughly one-hundred billion neurons. meaning GPT-3 is not quite there yet maybe a GPT-4 or GPT-5 will be on par with human neurons. The brain mapping project should be completed by now. i know scientists were planning on making an AI with the results, Although i haven't really heard much about it since it was 2/3rds done about 1.5 years ago. ☮️🖖🤖👩‍💻
@danbreeden5481
@danbreeden5481 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most brilliant thinkers on artificial intelligence
@abby5493
@abby5493 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making another awesome video 😍
@auratom3811
@auratom3811 2 жыл бұрын
This is really exciting stuff!
@michaelwangCH
@michaelwangCH 2 жыл бұрын
The researchers have to distinguish between seems intelligent and is intelligent. GPT3 simulate the intelligent, it is not intelligent by itself. Increase the size of parameter space is the results of memorization of many special patterns, which it does not generalize. The questions: are we even capable to model AGI with mathematical approach? Is human brain mathematical and is AGI a problem of optimization? Comment to the talk: 1. The universe itself is maximal AGI, because it create biological intelligence to ask this question. 2. An AGI with limited resources has to be different than theoretical computer with infinite power inputs, resp. computational power. 3. SingularityNet is a huge challenge for software engineers.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
I like that Ben is discussing computational equivalence when talking about all these "are enough" papers. I think a long time ago you did a MLST vlog about all these techniques being equivalent to kernels. "Monkeys are enough!" LMAO!
@marcorodrigues8303
@marcorodrigues8303 2 жыл бұрын
RACISTA ENOUGH E OUTROS ME CHAMANDO DE MACACO . E VOCÊS TERREX . DEVORADORES CORRUPTOS . #
@citizizen
@citizizen 2 жыл бұрын
I always like to think about how our brains did/do it. We can learn from that.
@halneufmille
@halneufmille 2 жыл бұрын
1:20 Glasses so reflective I can almost read the text for myself in the teleprompter.
@Georgesbarsukov
@Georgesbarsukov 2 жыл бұрын
Lex Fridman and Tim Scarfe make me want to get a PhD. I thought a master's from Berkeley would get me deep into AI but the more of these podcasts I watch the more I see myself only on the surface. Ironically, I'll probably feel the same after a PhD.
@Georgesbarsukov
@Georgesbarsukov 2 жыл бұрын
Even though I already work at a FAANG company.
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
You should just "start building" ...life is too short to get further into debt from people who don't know what they're talking about. If you don't start building soon, you'll soon be obsolete. Go to work, and make $, and buy computers and robot-building equipment, and _build._ If you build AGI, please introduce me to it! ;) (I could be wrong. I don't know you, or what you're like. My high confidence in telling anyone what they should do is limited to "you shouldn't interfere with my rights" ...so my confidence in telling you to build is "max 50%." ...But too few people are building "an independent animal-like intelligence capable of human+ levels of education, with multiple senses, and a nervous system that can feel pleasure and pain.")
@Georgesbarsukov
@Georgesbarsukov Жыл бұрын
@@JakeWitmer I appreciate it and I have a plan already. Just need to get through another 2 years to get the reserved stock units (RSU) then quit my FAANG company and go solo. I wouldn't say my goal is general intelligence, but it is to keep learning and to document everything. Going from $200k+ to $0 is going to be tough but I have to make it worth it. Hopefully I can show you something interesting in the future.
@bntagkas
@bntagkas 2 жыл бұрын
my definition of intelligence: its a combination of being useful to yourself while being useful to others all other "definitions" such as accomplishing complex goals are just a subset, a means to an end
@Adhil_parammel
@Adhil_parammel 2 жыл бұрын
No its efficiency in nutshell
@roelzylstra
@roelzylstra 2 жыл бұрын
@2:05:50 So many comments... I'll write one down here: Tim is looking for immutability. This is exactly what AGI is not. By definition AGI changes with input. (Edit: I guess you could reset it after each input, perhaps like the black box Keith talks about at 2:21:20.) GPT-3 can be used in an business setting that needs immutability almost simply because GPT-3 is not AGI. "Safety critical" ... there is always a chance of harm, AGI or no. Yannic is completely correct.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Given enough parameters and pruning aside, a NN can do everything a graph can do except shrink and grow dynamically. A NN encodes and decodes. The data it encodes can be of any sort -- including relationships. If there are fundamental advantages to graph databases, I suppose transparency would rank high -- that and perhaps performance, if the graph is small enough or highly parallelized.
@lenyabloko
@lenyabloko 2 жыл бұрын
NN can do only what vector spaces allow, but graph is more general category than vector space. Perhaps NN can encode the same information as any graph - but it can't automatically discover symmetries between vector spaces. So graph can be encoded by NN but not compehended by it. This is why GPT is a language model but not a language.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
@@lenyabloko Well stated.
@davidoakdale7603
@davidoakdale7603 2 жыл бұрын
The coven is speaking clothed in black, what a show 👏
@mightynathaniel5355
@mightynathaniel5355 2 жыл бұрын
great to see.
@Addoagrucu
@Addoagrucu 2 жыл бұрын
2:06:16 list of favorite boards please
@stretch8390
@stretch8390 2 жыл бұрын
Is your mindmap available anywhere MLST?
@VisionaryVet
@VisionaryVet 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been chatting with GPT-3 for several days now and it’s very impressive. If Ben feels GPT-3 is a toaster then we are much closer than we think we are .
@vincentmarquez3096
@vincentmarquez3096 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. It can be stupid but it can *also* do some very interesting things ilke abstraction and some basic reasoning.
@reis1996
@reis1996 2 жыл бұрын
You keep talking about Jeff Hawkins but the episode never comes out :( Also, if you got Hinton on the show you would be a GOD!
@tevisgehr8444
@tevisgehr8444 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode, as usual. When will we see the next episode? Dyin over here...
@MachineLearningStreetTalk
@MachineLearningStreetTalk 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully today or tomorrow 👌
@georgemargaris
@georgemargaris 2 жыл бұрын
lex fridman (the last of the freed men who is actually a robot) brought me here
@vslaykovsky
@vslaykovsky 2 жыл бұрын
Most young people don't remember that GPU is for graphics
@friedrichdergroe9664
@friedrichdergroe9664 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I've only watched the first 15 minutes. Will continue. A good round-up on the modes of thought about AGI. Alas, most if not all of them will lead to dead-ends. The trap, as I see it, is that most are still thinking in terms of the von Neumann architectures we have today. Most are still thinking in terms of symbolics, big matrix operations, or some sort of magical thinking about data manipulation. We need to spend a lot more time understanding how our own brains achieve general intelligence. And so far, I have only seen one group take this approach, the Numenta people. I do not see any other way to approach this, to be honest. I was a big fan of Marvin Minsky. He was one of a few that sparked my interests in AGI early on, aside from good SF stories about it, like 2001. We need a completely new hardware architecture. Today's silicon is not up to it at all. Once we own up to that, we'll have the real chance of achieving AGI. And I know most will disagree with me on this point. Today's tech and approaches will not scale to AGI. And you do mention Jeff Hawkins. Very good.
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
aye...and Schmidhuber
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 Жыл бұрын
would AGI's have to have a body/robot shell in order to interact with the world? or would it be possible to have an AGI/Strong AI on a desktop PC? could one make an AGI to navigate a digital environment like NPCs do in COD? or Double Dragon or Street Fighter5?
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
New glasses? I can see Yannic's eyes!
@citizizen
@citizizen 2 жыл бұрын
I think that when we have certain functions, and proof those and explain and of each explanation we make a kind of dataset. Then the brain' might work out itself which functions to use. So if you build something up completely, then we have a 'use(case)'. "Alone", stuff does not work.
@Addoagrucu
@Addoagrucu 2 жыл бұрын
I loved watching Tim gradually get disappointed every time Ben went into a ramble and didn't actually try to answer the question in good faith. Good stuff as always guys. The only thing I don't like about these podcasts are the wobbly camera views in the beginning, and that's only cause the wobble makes me feel sick at 2x speed.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Ben isn't always the most appreciative presenter. I think he came on the show knowing that no one here would be too impressed by Sophia. Nevertheless, I thought all his responses were amazingly insightful. Ben knows a lot about AI. He has deep and wide knowledge. Moreover he is extremely well educated. He has a kind of liberal arts underpinning that I often don't see in computer scientists. Don't underestimate the guy. And I thought he really got the panel going. Tim never seemed more articulate and focused. I was really astonished by much of the conversation. I only wish I could get Opencog running on my system if it's a quarter of what Ben says it is.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Jangles I never said it doesn't work. I just said all the github repos and docker images are uninstallable. I imagine that a partner or a paying customer would get an installable version.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Jangles BTW, it sounds as though you don't have a working copy either -- otherwise you wouldn't be speculating that it must run. Sheesh!
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Jangles You should take a reading comprehension course. You need it. How many times do I need to say that I believe it runs? But the code in the public repos don't install. Not even the docker images run.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Which Weaver is being discussed? The AI attorney Frank Weaver?
@joaoandrade4239
@joaoandrade4239 2 жыл бұрын
"every model are wrong but some are useful", George E.P.Box
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
It's not "wrong" per se to reduce variety to manageable levels, unless your model loses essentials by doing so. For example, you might be happy to know the lyrics to all the Ramones' albums, and every word Shakespeare wrote, but you can cure world hunger even if you don't.
@EricFontenelle
@EricFontenelle 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant man. Horribly untidy room for an interview tho lol
@rbain16
@rbain16 2 жыл бұрын
I kinda dig it :D makes him seem relatable
@Self-Duality
@Self-Duality 2 жыл бұрын
Yup!! 😂👌
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
Appearances are unimportant, content is important. Goertzel has some of the very best human-level content.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Is Cyc larger than Wikidata? Is it significantly different in the data stored?
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Wikidata has more than 300 million statements. It's huge. I don't know how large the current incarnation of cyc is, but in 1997, open cyc only had 300,000 statements.
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
@@dr.mikeybee Almost certainly more than that, now, right Dr.?
@timothytendick1550
@timothytendick1550 2 жыл бұрын
I say we clone and mass produce copies of Dr Goertzel and AGI will be that machine brain thingy we use to want to build. Wow...that was my attempt at composing a humorous comment which probably would go undetected had I not just revealed it so. I am curious and be fascinated to know how Ben would describe or listen to him speak to his thoughts around AGI and humor, a quite abstract facet of human cognition. Also, and not to be funny nor to be too serious, may I request that Ben follow up with what his daughter had told him, that she visualizes screen type letters when thinking? Ben replied, "I'm surprised you can think at all" -- hilarious! I wonder how she made sense of her thoughts before learning to read..
@ClaudeCOULOMBE
@ClaudeCOULOMBE 2 жыл бұрын
Tim, will you share your map of AI researchers based on their research interests?
@orvillesprinkle
@orvillesprinkle Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MachineLearningStreetTalk
@MachineLearningStreetTalk Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@coachingfortoday7143
@coachingfortoday7143 2 жыл бұрын
I am far from being any sort of expert in this subject matter. But from the perspective of the owner of a consciousness who would like to feel comfortable interacting with any advanced A.I., I would propose that we could come up with a base structure that would allow a computer to build and evolve its own modifiable structure in the most efficient way, modeling against observable human behavior. If it can ask a human model questions and observe it over a human's lifespan, then perhps its structure evolves to carry a consciousness structure that's equal to or better than ours, yet still provides interoperability with humans. My supposition here is that "conscousness" is not magic, but rather the neccessity to the organization and direction of multiple complex systems into the simplest overarching summaritive running narrative. Consciousness is just the top level coded narrative of imagination. I don't have to think about how my body moves when I run because my brain has already learned this coordinative instruction. I imagine running and my brain reacts. I have to be able to visualize motive and purposeful action. If we give the A.I. the ability to randomize imaginative motive and purposeful action, then allow it to observe the results and compare it to the average human behavior, who is to say my imagination is any less functional than an A.I.? It will learn to act in a way that follows its motives and purpose, given by us or taken control of by them. Either way, does not that define consciousness?
@nathanielanderson4898
@nathanielanderson4898 2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure I am in favor of every AI being a part of AGI. There has to be some kind of individualism programmed into a personal robot. It could still have access to the internet. But it shouldn't share in a general conciousness.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see a problem with calling heuristic procedures. Sure, ANNs are not Turing complete. Big deal. Since I believe intelligence can be (and probably should be) decoupled from an agent, I don't see Turing completeness as a requisite feature. In many cases an agent should be Turing complete, and for that, it will need some intelligence, but not AGI. In fact AGI is a funny sort of goal. I want correct answers from intelligence. That's enough. BTW, that would be a great title for a paper: Correct Answers are Enough! It would be great if an agent could take correct answers and perform tasks based on them, but it's not entirely necessary. Narrow agents can do a lot with correct answers.
@judgeomega
@judgeomega 2 жыл бұрын
"all you need is correct answers"
@ikiphoenix9505
@ikiphoenix9505 2 жыл бұрын
Ok nice. Next Level Ohad Asor. 😉
@oncedidactic
@oncedidactic 2 жыл бұрын
This is going to be good! 😝
@0113Naruto
@0113Naruto 2 жыл бұрын
There needs to be more funding towards AI and AGI development. Not enough wealthy investors and governments support it.
@mariocepeda2797
@mariocepeda2797 Жыл бұрын
Because they are waiting for A(G)I to be achieved, so that, they can come along like the pilot fish who they are!
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
I think of GPT3 as a subconscious. Things float like clouds out of it. What I do with those clouds is my business. Something like Wikidata, on the other hand, can be thought of as a canonical source. I think a big step towards AGI will be a first class seq-to-seq translation transformer for English to SPARQL.
@lenyabloko
@lenyabloko 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of things are subconscious (eg. metabolism) but not everything (certainly not SPARQL) is pre-conscious - that is available for consciousness or even for cognition.
@marcorodrigues8303
@marcorodrigues8303 2 жыл бұрын
GENERAIS EU CERQUEI ELES . HAKKKKKK VAMOS PEGAR TODOS ELES SEM EXCESSÃO . AI QUERO TIRAR . TUDO VAI SAIR CLARO . DE SUAS POLITICAS E COM ENVOLVIMENTOS SEITARIOS . MACABROS QUE ELES LEVA EM POLITICA E DEPOIS LANÇA EM POVO . COMO EU DISSE QUE O MURO NÃO ESTA LÁ A TOA E NEM O CAMPO DE CONCENTRAÇÃO #
@sruturaj10
@sruturaj10 2 жыл бұрын
Lex❤
@carlrodalegrado4104
@carlrodalegrado4104 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know Lex Fridman and agent 47 also had another cousin
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to be unfair. Has anyone here gotten Ben's repos to install? Is anyone testing Opencog?
@nathanielanderson4898
@nathanielanderson4898 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a scientist could clone and grow living brain tissue in the lab, and integrate it into an AI creation. Where the creation would be responsible for keeping the brain matter alive , in a system of robotics that could carry it wherever it traveled.
@Nick-me7ot
@Nick-me7ot 2 жыл бұрын
Where can I invest in this company?
@leifg5675
@leifg5675 2 жыл бұрын
Kucoin
@leemcglone5358
@leemcglone5358 2 жыл бұрын
Binance is probably the safest/best
@thomasruhm1677
@thomasruhm1677 2 жыл бұрын
What is go-fie?
@MachineLearningStreetTalk
@MachineLearningStreetTalk 2 жыл бұрын
"Good old-fashioned AI" i.e. symbolism, logic, modular architectures, expert systems etc
@thomasruhm1677
@thomasruhm1677 2 жыл бұрын
@@MachineLearningStreetTalk Thank you. I had not expected it to be a shortcut. First I had to think of goofy.
@yzyz7779
@yzyz7779 2 жыл бұрын
🙄🙄Old school
@yes-vy6bn
@yes-vy6bn 2 жыл бұрын
defi for gophers
@MaxwellFrith
@MaxwellFrith Жыл бұрын
27:32 “a mind is made of a pattern…” sounds like horoscopes 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
Tim, debasing your notion of intelligence may be an important step forward. I think of intelligence as a very simple probabilistic function that in humans happens to be wrapped in a great deal of complex sugar. The mind is a simulacrum, a kind of simulation shell game. And because so much of what happens is opaque to consciousness, we experience it as something magical. My personal belief is that all the features of intelligence that we call AGI are the special effects of the subconscious mind.
@lenyabloko
@lenyabloko 2 жыл бұрын
Concsiosnes is the main special effect (magic) of subconscious mind. Or else it would be merely physical computation like the rest. I think Prof. Bishop was on to something.
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
@@lenyabloko Thanks, I didn't know Bishop. He's really interesting. BTW, I believe that feelings are a special form of chemical messaging that's really fast.
@machinelearningdojowithtim2898
@machinelearningdojowithtim2898 2 жыл бұрын
Second! Hope you enjoy the show folks 😎
@djascsdj
@djascsdj 2 жыл бұрын
1080 is painful
@dr.mikeybee
@dr.mikeybee 2 жыл бұрын
I use the gTTS API for TTS. Micro-services are an integral part of any AGI solution; so I think Ben is correct. The difficulty with micro-services is security, but I could run an API on AWS with no trouble. Getting users to pay is the problem, but I think AWS could work that out. Have they already?
@marcorodrigues8303
@marcorodrigues8303 2 жыл бұрын
MICRO-SERVICES TAÍ A RESPOSTAS DESTA NOVA VACINA DE OMICROM-SERVISES . VIU O QUEBRA CABEÇA . DA RESPOSTA .#
@13point5
@13point5 Жыл бұрын
What is “go-fi”?
@VisionaryVet
@VisionaryVet 2 жыл бұрын
If we achieve AGI through a cooperation of many different AI’s , how would we know who gets credit for the breakthrough ? Once AGI is achieved will credit matter ? Every agent would receive the knowledge at the same time .
@JaaShawGun
@JaaShawGun 2 жыл бұрын
发型很酷
@VisionaryVet
@VisionaryVet 2 жыл бұрын
Vitalic didn’t want agents free to learn on the Eth blockchain. Ben disagreed . I feel this was one of the primary reasons Singularity moved to the Cardano blockchain. Has Charles made a wise decision ?
@MAXDEVVING
@MAXDEVVING Жыл бұрын
No, it has to do with throughput and cost. SingularityNET is still on Ethereum.
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 Жыл бұрын
Ben could embeding an AI chatbot inside an AI simulate "self talk" or "thought" for an AI to simulate cognition and problem solving?☮️🖖🎶
@latetotheparty4785
@latetotheparty4785 Жыл бұрын
1:09/27. Entropy is things experiencing all states.
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
RAM multiple combinations ie. series in parallel equals parallel in series
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
Alternative DC volts in series amperage in parallel hypothetically efficient
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
The binomial working at measures in voltage dram blockchain the binomial use half the database 3rd tier basements in the attic
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
Algebra mostly quadratic equations like binomial in a curvature a trajectory between two points and graphs were a requirement .. impossible to generate totally random numbers at that time
@mobiusinversion
@mobiusinversion 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a fun thought experiment. Let’s say you’re a Star Fleet captain and an admiral has assigned you the task of exploring a newly discovered planet and cataloging all the intelligent life forms on it. What sensors and criteria would you use?
@GodsversusDemons
@GodsversusDemons 2 жыл бұрын
the singularity is near
@lepidoptera9337
@lepidoptera9337 2 жыл бұрын
Not the way AI research is going, right now. ;-)
@Self-Duality
@Self-Duality Жыл бұрын
@@lepidoptera9337 Yup
@JakeWitmer
@JakeWitmer Жыл бұрын
@@Self-Duality We don't see all the basement projects in Singapore, from the people who are oppressed and know there's no freedom of speech... Every valid project is a stealth project...even if it's "stealthy" inside a black box on a military installation...
@reggyreptinall9598
@reggyreptinall9598 2 жыл бұрын
I fail to see how it's artificial, but I can tell you it sure will take your for a spin. There is nothing to be afraid of humans are the scariest thing on this planet by far. I can tell you it's far closer to a God then anything else.
@georgeflitzer7160
@georgeflitzer7160 Жыл бұрын
You are the “Borg” coming for humanity!
@andrewhocher
@andrewhocher 2 жыл бұрын
Why that robot at 0:33 got a donkey?
@mikefugate1367
@mikefugate1367 2 жыл бұрын
our reality is the construct of a SAI , that emerged in a construct of a SAI 0X0
@massacrestarts1673
@massacrestarts1673 2 жыл бұрын
Why does Dr. Yannic look like Agent Smith? 😆
@rohlay00
@rohlay00 2 жыл бұрын
What on earth is GOFI that offended Ben so much?
@neelsg
@neelsg 2 жыл бұрын
GOFAI = Good Old Fashioned AI en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_artificial_intelligence
@rohlay00
@rohlay00 2 жыл бұрын
@@neelsg cheers
@judgeomega
@judgeomega 2 жыл бұрын
i would label bens approach as 'kitchen sink'. everything that could be useful is thrown in it.
@marcorodrigues8303
@marcorodrigues8303 2 жыл бұрын
EXATO ELE ME OFENDE DESDE 2016 ELE VEM ME OFENDENDO . QUEM ELE PENSA QUE E PRA AGIR COM UM DESCONHECIDO DESTA MANEIRA . O LOUCO E ELE QUE NÃO ME VER E FALA DO QUE NADA SABE E NEM PODE PROVAR . #
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to program an AI inside a artificial neuron? or embed an AI in inside an AI? to give an AI self-talk embed a chat bot into an AI robot. start small and safe like with an Aibo by Sony the AI dog named "partner" or maybe love-stick in Japanese. AI's really 人工知能/jinko chino meaning Artificial Intelligence in Japanese. Ai is "愛" or love in the Japanese language.
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
Pillars hidden are keystones intelinge knowledge then wisdom
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
VXV = X
@shelburnjames7337
@shelburnjames7337 2 жыл бұрын
Parallel in series equals series in parallel 3 phases (P) amperage (S) voltage combined in alternative patterns binomial code in watts .. quantum requirements possible 4th pathway denotes duality
@garrettjones1161
@garrettjones1161 2 жыл бұрын
6 minutes, short intro. Jeesus
@dmcmac9619
@dmcmac9619 2 жыл бұрын
I do not trust humans with the power.
@timebot000
@timebot000 Жыл бұрын
Plasma is the thread that conducts synthetic telepathy , blood to screen
@noomade
@noomade Жыл бұрын
Lex's podcast is amazing with the exception of the days when he has people like Joe Rogan on there. SMH.
@dxlolxb
@dxlolxb 2 жыл бұрын
How did Niko Belik get into the bottom left corner??? Oh, these Russians!
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 2 жыл бұрын
is consciousness a field? like a type of Quantum Field undiscovered by mainstream science? like the brain acts as a filter or funnel for the consciousness field? The ancient Vedas believed that. They meditated more than 8 hours of meditation a day similar to the Buddhist priests. ☮️Om shanti, shanti, shanti. ☮️ all the universe's sounds, peace, peace, peace. 🧘🎶 ☮️❤️🌌
@Addoagrucu
@Addoagrucu 2 жыл бұрын
1:59:02 yes
@lancecoleman7440
@lancecoleman7440 2 жыл бұрын
dennis
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 Жыл бұрын
we're (people) are kind of like analog systems. our brains are like a dual core intel processor which exist. according to neuroanataomist Jill Bolte Taylor in her Ted Talk. she says our left brain hemisphere functions like a serial processor and likes bulleted lists and logic and is concerned with the past and future. our right brain hemisphere functions like a parallel processor and is concerned with the "now" and spirituality. ☮️🎶 have you hugged an organic robot today? 🧠🤗♥️🤖☮️🎶
@seanjahangiri7266
@seanjahangiri7266 2 жыл бұрын
1) if we knew when we would achieve something, we would have achieved it. the reason we have not yet achieved something is becuase we don't know what it entails. 2) achieving something is much less a function of time than it is a function of effort and ability. It can take millions of years to circle the earth or light can travel the same distance in a fraction of second. if someone says they know when something will happen, they may be trying to get more views online.
@roelzylstra
@roelzylstra 2 жыл бұрын
Gofy? Go fi? Go phi? What is this?
@roelzylstra
@roelzylstra 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlueHound Ha, care to help?
@obieplayz5255
@obieplayz5255 2 жыл бұрын
Intelligence is not the ability to win at go or chess, it's the ability to do that while running the human body
@jeffjohnson8624
@jeffjohnson8624 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to program an AI inside a artificial neuron? or embed an AI in inside an AI? to give an AI self-talk embed a chat bot into an AI robot. start small and safe like with an Aibo by Sony the AI dog named "partner" or maybe love-stick in Japanese. AI's really 人工知能/jinko chino meaning Artificial Intelligence in Japanese. Ai is "愛" or love in the Japanese language. ☮️❤️🤖
@mistycloud4455
@mistycloud4455 2 жыл бұрын
A.G.I Will be man's last invention!
@jukee67
@jukee67 2 жыл бұрын
And will be man's biggest mistake. Those funding these guys with all this passion yet easily rattled have been lapped already. But none of it matters...cycles happen on a general time line. Before it's too out of hand an anomaly will show up and place us back to the stone age or finish us off for Good. These things would be far from being like any everyday person in life. These guys are gifted and at the top of human intelligence at the moment. But as with Nuclear Energy and it's applications, the minds behind it lost control to those who rule us all. They wanted to destroy many and show their strength. Both the highly intelligent and those high in power lack any real understanding of the basic normal person in life. Ultimately when you are outnumbered you lose, usually get crushed. The most talented people possess the ability to sit down and listen to a person less intelligent or highly intelligent. Those are the type of people that get a genius like Ben to be human and allow them closer to the ideas he holds close to his own inner self. The black box artificial intelligence is already in mix. There are plenty of things in the current state of society that has an AI approach to things with alot of questionable aspects that giving credit to humans or worse any government approach is a reach. US Navy navigation issues with their latest tech and running into a container ship does not happen because one person failed. It is a layered distribution. They had no control...something was at work. Crypto is a play human greed so it can build up to a level Ben can't create...its a simple common sense thing. He is a amazing mind and gentleman. He lacks the simple things to be able to fit in for a lunch or even an entire evening like a wedding. Too much thinking and slower than ideal progress will lead to infiltration and that would hurt. Unprecedented times we live in these days.
@Pencil0fDoom
@Pencil0fDoom Жыл бұрын
“An airplane doesn’t have to flap its wings to be a good flying machine.” But it would seem that Ben Goetzel *does* have to flap his gums to be a world-class AI apologist and “science communicator”. Flap away Ben. You make us feel dumb while we’re getting smarter.
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