No, no. I watched a video that explained it and it does make sense. Like, for example: The knight usually moves two squares in one direction and one square sideways, right? Now imagine that you are not playing on a flat chessboard, but on an 8x8x8 cube, with squares being replaced by small cubes. On the XY axes, it's a regular chessboard, while the Z axis is the forward/backward in time. You can still move the knight two squares in one direction and one square in a perpendicular direction, except one possible direction is Z axis, so now you can move the horse two chessboards back/forwards and one square to the side. Or two squares on a flat chessboard and one "square" (chessboard) forward/backward in time. Rook is easier to explain, as it moves only in straight lines - Let's say you have a rook on C3. You can now move it anywhere along the C axis, anywhere along the 3 axis, and anywhere forward/backward in time, but keep it on C3. And that's how it works with every figure, I believe. The problem begins when you introduce split universes, as they introduce a secondary axis to the dimension of time I believe, but the trick is to stop thinking in 3D space, and more in abstract terms, and it makes perfect sense, at least on paper. Actually _playing_ a game like that, now that's... challenging.

There is a key feature hidden in plain sight which people seldom realizes: since you just have to checkmate *ONE* king to win the game, every time you make a move, and every time you create an alternative timeline, you are in fact duplicating your (and enemy's) kings and getting both of you gradually more exposed to the opponent. More kings = more liabilities. That's why getting the knight to fork the two kings at 1:28 is such a power move.

@@Schinshikss It was hilarious to see. You sure can save ONE of the kings if you move them in that timeline... but you can't save the other.

@@RicarteElit you mean, you can't save a king if you just make both the king from future and present be forked and die for the same horse lol

@@Xoruam *Starts Convulsing*

No jo, that’s supposed to happen

I mean the actual rules how the single pieces move are relatively simple and well defined. That HARD thing is to predict how those rules interact with each other and to actually plan any goal ahead with them.

This is my life as a FQA Game tester. Most of the time it's "Yes it's a bug". And the times where it's CLEARLY a bug that shouldn't be there and actually make the experience worse it's closed by the dev "as designed".... bruh.

It's only 4D, there is no Z axis

that's the mind trick, it exists as an implication

@@Mythinull the Z axis is used by the knight to jump over pieces

@@titouanboulanger6877 holy shit I didn't think of that

​@@titouanboulanger6877The idea that it can get deeper from usage of the z axis psychologically scares me.

Huh that's interesting I didn't know it was even possible to do it with this game

our planet is not yet ready for the horrors of this game

​@@munzerabdulhamid Not really possible cuz there is certain condition for creating new timelines, but I forgot what it is.

@@munzerabdulhamid with low enough ram, any game can crash

Ram isn't that of an issue for a pvp. If you're against an AI though, the search space for a move increases manyfold per new timeline and move.

Unfortunately in higher level play of this game there isn’t much time travel done, it’s typically only done to set up a mate or escape from a potential mate, so you’d only ever really see 1 main timeline with 1-3 offshoots.

yep, games typically end with on single jump back in time to a particular point where like a queen can threaten the opponents king even further back through some of the first openings made in their line.

Sadly, what makes this game playable is that the computer keeps track of the bajillions of potential mates. THat does sound kinda funny tho, maybe some sort of vr setup?

@@fractalgem imagine the panel of judges sitting there going through each move and trying to figure out if something is in mate or not.

RTGame played it with Anna Chess (Olympic chess player) a couple years ago, it melted her brain and she said that several grand masters that she knew were confused by it as well

The rules are quite simple so not that hard to code. The horror comes from what those simple rules facilitate.

Playing it sure does

I think writing a 5D chess Engine would be hell

@@Horsti10001 I've been working on one for a while now, and it isn't too bad until you get to checkmate detection. That is actual hell

*Dev, actually. Singular.

imagine magnus carlsen in 5D chess

imagine stock🐟 in 5D chess 💀💀💀

​@@gabrielgomes242 se traban osea la inteligencia artificial intenta encontrar la mejor combinación de movimientos en todas las líneas de tiempo y se traba durísimo

@@Mich1. wut¿

@@gabrielgomes242 he means the AIs hang up

you only have to play on the ones with purple arrows also, everything in the future (past the present line) is optional until the present reaches them

What?😭

indeed, konomi. To put it anotherway, no name, each player starts with one "timeline activation" point, uses one whenever they create a timeline, and gains one whenever their opponent creates a timeline. If they have no timeline activation left, the timelines they make will not force people to play on them. This means it's NOT advantageous to create tons and tons of timelines. Most of these will be inactive. If your OPPONENT makes this mistake, sending pieces to dead timelines, you can ignore these timelines; however, if you start making timelines of your own, these timelines will start becoming active one by one as well. Example: your opponent has created two timelines. The first is active, the second is inactive. Due to queen/bishop positioning, if you ever make a move on the second timeline, you will lose. Thus, you should probably avoid making any more timelines. DOes that make sense yet?

​@@fractalgem honestly no, wtf is this game

@t s Chess, but with the ability to time travel, creating new timelines in the process. Pieces can move across time, the multiverse, or the board they start on, in ways based upon their normal moveset. The explosive creation of a bajillion timelines you see in this video is not a typical game, though it DOES apparently make for good youtube. Typical games will only have 2-4 timelines created. Would you like a link to a video for aiding in learning this eldritch game? :3

Absolutely I've never felt like a win was planned

problem: what happens when you are terrible at reg chest and then attempt this?

​@@worldweaver2691go timey wimey and hope you win.

@@worldweaver2691 constantly go back in time with very minor alterations to mess with em

I mean at least it determines which timelines are compulsory to play on.

-Always will be *gun shot 14 moves after*

@@royan-oe9igand before, at the same time

I've actually looked at the decompiled source code and it isn't too bad, it's just inefficient since it handles a lot of problems using simple techniques

I did, it only showed one other timeline tho :l

@@ArtemIsSalty oh slightly anticlimactic ending then

@@AexisRai honestly I think it was just because there was too many timelines lol

​@@ArtemIsSaltyfor how many timelines y'all had There were still a lot more pieces in rotation than normal, Making cross dimension travel quite difficult.

it was a king fork in the past. the king on the "final" board was in check (ie. the white queen could take it on her next move), but she could _also_ take the same king by moving three squares "diagonally back in time" as there was no way to capture the queen (from any timeline), one of the two kings would be captured no matter what, and therefore it's checkmate

What do you mean "make a gun"? Just like, the shape?

@@syweb2 just stack them on the same diagonal and chuck the queen straight at the king with the bishop behind, like with rook-queen guns but diagonal.

gun 💀💀💀

@@zier.0 gun

The official term for this is battery.

That's nothing. I once forked 7 different kings through multiple timelines, in the past present and future, through three simultaneous discovered checks. And still lost to an AI.

@@StormTheSquid AI is pretty weak, if you know what you're doing. Try not making any king moves and 3 pawns in front of the king, refrain from making jumps into the past and try to checkmate into the past (you don't need to actually move into the past to do that). Any horsey 2 tiles away from the king has to be taken or it's mate. Hope that helps.

@@diketarogg That's the thing, the AI did all the jumping and I was forced to play on like 12 different boards at once

​@@StormTheSquid if you never create timelines then they can only make one timeline that you're actually forced to play on, since any timelines your opponent creates past (1 + the number of timelines you've created) are optional and dont affect the present until you make enough timelines for them to become active the optional timelines are the ones with a black/white arrow, the timelines you have to play on have a purple arrow

@@eden3669 They made multiple by jumping between the two present timelines afterwards, and I'm pretty sure you have to play on all present timelines.

The best way to do this is to set up the opportunity to do this with your Queen or Rook if you spot a mate in 2 or 3 for your opponent you can move the Queen/Rook to the empty square, and then on your opponent’s next move send them way back. This works especially well in end games as that way you have an extremely long time to either set up a win in the past or a capture on the would be mating piece.

The problem with this strategy is that you gain material at the cost of being able to make a relevant timeline, which may seem like a decent trade but allows your opponent some incredible strategies while massively limiting yours, not to mention that your opponent can now go back in time twice relevantly.

@@justinbrentwood1299 For a while I would agree with you, but as of late I've found myself more and more concerned about the shenanigans of Jurassic queens after a softmate. I've just been got a few too many times when playing Mauer in public matches I guess haha

lol the fun thing to do is trying to full a board completely with one kind of piece. So a board of Queens was one thing I tried to do once. :P

@@christopherrogers532 lmao

Welcome to 5 d chess with multiversal timetravel! :3 So. basic idea is, you can't change the past. Attempting to do so instead makes a new timeline on your side of the multiverse. You win if you checkmate ANY king anywhere on the board, past, present, or future. This means if you're in a bad position like mate in 3, you can potentially stall by sending a queen or bishop back in time and trying to score a win in the new timeline. (or, alternatively, if you simply think you like the sound of making a new timeline where you have two queens to play with) To prevent players from stalling and making new timelines forever in a loop, however, these timelines will only become active if you've only made up to one more timeline than your opponent has made. additional timelines will be inactive, and your opponent will not be obligated to play on them. the end result is, leaving your king exposed for more than a turn or two can leave you EXTREMELY vulnerable to being checkmated in the past by an enemy queen, and it's not a good idea to create timelnies willy nilly if you don't think you can get a sufficiently large strategitc/tactical advantage from doing so. Hope that helps :)

​@@fractalgemwhat

@@loafboi grrrrrrriiiiinnnn Tbh to really understand it you kinda have to play it yourself

“There’s no time travel or alternate timelines here.”

@@MatthewConnellan-xc3ojWhat?? So I can’t even play the Zorlik opening? How is anyone supposed to play this primitive game?

@@midnight4685 “I can’t even be good at this, so I don’t know. If I played the version you play, my brain would explode, or melt, or something else very bad.”

Huh?!?

@@ArtemIsSalty yeah you should make more timelines

@@KusaneHexakuPretty sure if they did, the computer would explode, implode, and 829 other bad things that end in plode at the same time.

Thanks I actually had no idea

yeah-

Well, seeing as Homestuck mostly* stuck to stable time loops...

Bro homestuck is why I could follow along at all 😂😂😂😂

SPOT THE HOMESTUCK!

“Every”

@@ProtocolAbyss "I want every queen we have to fire on that man"

@@iwillslapyou4982 “Too bad, I’ve killed your queen in 30 different timelines in the past, present and future”

@@ProtocolAbyss Oh

"Yes"

yeah.

@@notNyxiann somehow my brain can comprehend and understand this game I'm too strong for psychological horror

I used to play 5 years from now. Stopped playing when my game crashed because my opponent set the present back to before move 1.

When did you stop playing? Because the theory has evolved quite a bit from back then interestingly. We had an opening explosion for a bit, and then a bit of a contraction where some of those new openings died off. But we still have some ridiculous openings from white such as e4 and e3 b4.

Gotta spice it up you know

*splice it up

The reason for that is tempo loss, on one board you lose a tempo and a piece, playing Q->, and on another board (probably a new one) you use a tempo to place that piece, say Q@h5. You also lose options as you can only create one more active timeline than the opponent has. As a result, Keep it Simple, Stupid becomes established theory.

Is there a 5d tournament discord or something

​@@donovanmahan2901 also by being the first to create another timeline you enable your opponent to create two valid timelines.

Please wait

I mean 10d chess actually exists: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbyJZKSCyJbJj30.html

the board itself would have 16777216 squares. I think ill stick to thr 64 of 2d chess

I couldn't agree more

If you're playing with like 5-7 timelines it's actually not that bad, But with this many timelines with effectively full boards things get needlessly cluttered.

Or it would barely work because it took a long time for computers to get good at 2d chess.

@@derpypotato677 Possibly, two chess AI with the objective to learn and have them play 4D chess, have them repeat it for a period of at least a few days to a couple of weeks and I am sure we can find some crazy stuff.

@@cjlane5677 Part of the problem is that as more moves are played in chess, the game gets exponentially more complicated. "5D" chess is already exponentially more complicated than normal chess, so we may lack processing power to make 5D stockfish. Also machine learning is awful at chess.

@@derpypotato677 look dude, we manage to have some machines beat pro chess players already. We have made supercomputers that take entire rooms and can see far into the universe with a specially designed space box that uses the awesome radiant power of local suns. We were determined to get a chess AI to be smart enough to play and be a challenge for no other reason but to figure out it's limits and push it to it's maximum potential. No shit it will take time, money and effort, I honestly get where are going with this, I really do... But the result is cool and has the potential to change how we handle such things in the future. Let me just imagine a cool scenario of two time lord AI chess players attempting to beat the other, okay?

lmao sorry bruh

@@ArtemIsSalty it's all good, it's pretty funny

Oh my gosh, are you okay?🤣

Same

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*W h a t*

@@hazmamuffin1013 Did I stutter?

The knight uses the third spacial dimension to jump over pieces

@@bigbosspanda1976 Then normal chess should be called 3d chess as well. 🤔

I mean, chess is a 3d game turned digital

Normal chess IS 3d chess

Chess is only 3D if you assume that in order to you move your pieces, you also have to move in time. If not that, the fact that you are using 3D pieces don't necessarily make it a 3D game, since you can only move in 2D.

ArtemisIsHorsey

@@gameoboy2 ArtemisIsHungry

Probably not that complicated. The rules are quite easy, they just have a very complex effect

Maybe if you’re a masochist it could be?