He probably found out the whole thing is based on verifiable lies (CES Letter)…faith crises are so torturous

Which one is clay

What are you talking about? He seemed totally fine.

He is probably discovering all the hidden Secrets of the church and doesn't want to be apart of it. Hahaha

Imagine Clay being totally fine reading this 💀

She did the new one too, in the past year or so it changed in subtle ways and it is easy to mess up if they haven’t been in the church that past few years

The young women’s theme. Yeah I knew she was legit after that too. Smart move on her part!

@@hayleym9687 They changed it? I haven’t been in young women’s for two years now I dont have younger family in the church

@@hayleym9687 I just rewatched it. That’s the same one I’ve been doing since I was 12. What year did they change it?

@@alexandracomer8784 they changed it more than 3 months ago- it was changed I think either April or October of 2020? If you look it up online you can find it. It basically changes most of the pronouns to “I” rather than “we” it also got rid of all the faith, divine nature, etc.

exactly, and because of her voice and clothes i definitely felt she was

I work with a bunch of people from Salt Lake City and WHAT IS UP WITH THE NAMES? Is that part of the LDS religion?

@@avalauren4731 not part of the religion, but the culture around it. Even my mom, as an ex-mormon, has continued to give her kids strange names.

@@avalauren4731 Its a utah thing, not all members are like that

@@avalauren4731 lol yeah not really! it’s definitely more a utah thing i think. my mom was a mormon when she named us, Grace, Hudson and Tessa are my siblings names. i definitely think it’s a utah thing

I would absolutely love this. There are so many different perspectives on both sides and I'm sure there would be lots of valuable discussions.

Fr and I would love to participate in that middle ground

This needs to happen

I volunteer as an exmormon!

I’m waiting for this! This is by far my favorite idea.

@@5.7l6speed2 how can you look lgbt? Tf

@@5.7l6speed2 Why are you commenting this under every comment. No one cares that you knew they were the mole.

​@@Aribishere Have you been on TikTok lately? lol

short hair on females isn't always, but typically is an lgbt or lesbian look, of course assumptiously, not accurately

@@Anne_Onymous nope don’t have tiktok and I don’t plan on using it

That’s what’s sad to me is the “church” is openly rebranding and their members don’t understand why from the outside.

Overall they cut too much from the video. After filming I was sure it should be at least 20 min.

You should encourage her to reach out to John Dehlin about doing a Mormon Stories interview. I would love to hear her story

The church now has a mission that they offer to those who want to serve like Natalie, who have some kind of handicap whether it’s physical or mental. It’s called a service mission. It’s a relatively new thing so I’m not sure if it was around when she was putting her papers in. The leaders of the church recognized that many people wanted to serve like her but weren’t able to because of the many different reasons

is Natalie by any chance single? :3

Where was she supposed to serve?

Even for those who are not "super mormons" I think they would have caught that. Youth group just isn't a phrased used at all within the lds church.

I mean we have young women's and "youth" stuff separately

She was talking about youth Sunday School, which is a thing. Not something I'd vote her out over

I think she gave herself away by talking about the RM, like mormons probably see that movie once and then never again cause it's so uncomfortable

@@naomig3168 I mean, I call it youth group sometimes and I’m lds

💕💕💕💕💕

That’s so cool

She seemed like a sweetheart. 🙂

That's cool

she seems so sweet!

true

@@5.7l6speed2 how can you look lgbt? That makes no sense

@@5.7l6speed2 it’s scary people like you exist…

@@ianj2760 What did 5.7I 6speed say? Looks like he is gone

@@SunnyGee-jd6pb You can look lgbt, kid

That would actually be hilarious

This would make a great 100th "ODD ONE OUT" episode!

Perfect April Fools episode!!

Yes!!!

I think that's too much chaos, they'd all realise soon enough. If you have them all be the mole without that goal it works just fine.

Nah

Yupp

It’s because we have the gift of tongues 😎

They did a study awhile back and discovered that lds missionaries can learn and be proficient in a language about 3x faster than other people learning a language. Really interesting!

and the other man's italian was actually better than what i expected :)

I actually really like this idea 👏👏

I have a tattoo and you can't see it. I wasn't raised in the church. I'm a convert. But I have been a member almost 25 years now.

Just give them blindfold.

Smart!

Lol when she did that I was like yeah she’s legit

Ikr its actually shocking. I also grew up LDS.

Are you still in the church?

What are the examples?

@@jathebest2835 ​ “strengthen my testimony” “inactive” “faith in the gospel” “become more like him” etc

And ikr I was waiting for a “I’d like to bear my testimony that I know this church is true” lol

I find that kinda funny because while some of the more stringent members might not use the term "Mormon", I know plenty of members, particularly younger ones, who really don't care and just say Mormon because it's easier and kinda ingrained into the church's identity. I would have never even thought to vote for someone just because they were using the term "Mormon"

​@@simplyepic3258 If you're an active member then you'd know that the prophet has said that we should avoid using the term mormon and since most of the participants are active members they knew this

@@legacy756 I'm aware. Lots of active members just don't care. Monson said the exact opposite (that we should embrace the term Mormon) so plenty of people don't really see it as a big deal one way or another.

Most Mormons don't care until the most orthodox member jumps in to remind them that they're supposed to care (e.g. the "Ohhh" moment when Caleb called it) because their prophet recently said that the word "Mormon" is a literal victory for Satan. Most Mormons are really chill people but they're so easily called back into line by the most toxic authoritarian members, which is why so many people leave. Trying to toe an invisible line is exhausting.

@@simplyepic3258 whatever the most recent prophet says is what counts

@Hailey Allen While the LDS is better than many other Christian denominations / groups by the virtue that they accept that some people simply have same-sex attraction and that it is not something that can be changed and that attempts to do so are harmful, the official LDS stance is: "The experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is." So, basically, the church believes that gay people should live lives of misery, bereft of mutual human love and affection. While you might love gay people, the church's stance certainly isn't very LOVING towards gay people if they would condemn them to that fate. Imagine someone telling you that your ability to share, experience, and receive love was something for which you deserved disciplinary action if you acted upon it, and being forced to choose between your beliefs coupled with a life of loneliness and never knowing the loving embrace of a partner or choosing to have to give up your beliefs in order to be with someone you love. No matter how you frame it and how much you love gay people, it's still terrible.

@@vorpal22 you should read Ben Schalaty’s book about being a gay member of the church. He addresses the same things you seem to be questioning and since he’s gay he can explain it far better than anybody else.

@@bremjo7929 I appreciate the suggestion, but I've already done extensive research on being gay and Christianity / LDS / JW, and I know the "clobber passage" rebuttals. As a gay atheist / philosophical Taoist who has no desire to return to Christianity, I'd rather be engaging in my projects or language studies rather than reading about homosexuality and religion. Thanks, though, and I hope you're enjoying the rest of your weekend!

😂 ikr? like even i cant do that and im still in young womens

I know the theme by heart but I wouldn’t be able to say it that fast

I vaguely remember it. Yeah.

YES!

I was thinking the same thing!!! I rlly hope this shines a new light for people

I was raised religious and that was my biggest reason to stop participating. I felt like I had lived the morals and teachings perfectly only to have realized that about myself and I immediately felt unwanted or that I had done something wrong to be "punished" with it or something. Those who use religion as a tool to push their own bigotry have absolutely no business mixing with actual people of faith. The line has been far too blurred more and more recently.

@@strawbzombie i agree completely. like it now feels like there’s a difference between religion and what you believe if that makes sense

What religion are u?

I'm just a teenager so I'm not like that smart LOL but in my perspective and beliefs, though I'm very religious and active in the LDS church, I feel like LGBTQ+ community should be accepted and welcomed like any other person would at church. I am SO sorry if people were ever forcing to be someone you're not, or people judging you for who you are!

I’m a member as well. My brother is gay but has drifted away from the church because of a temple experience he had. He was waiting in the locker room area and was wearing a shirt that had a rainbow on it that says human. People called him disgusting and everybody would move away from him. I wish more people in the church were supportive but I won’t leave the church. I’m with you and I’m going to be here! Don’t worry about your place I will always support you!

You look like Vikkstar

Yeah

What do you mean it's not in the spirit of the game? It would make the most sense for the mole to be a former member for the very reason you pointed out

I don't know how far ahead they know they're going to participate in this, but if money is on the line you can be sure that I'd educate myself on the topic and I'd try my best to look the part even if I have to commit something to memory.

I agree. I figured they'd go with an ExMo, which feels a bit disingenuous, but when you're an outsider trying to make just enough sense of a complex culture to put together a short contest, I also get it. I've always been curious about how this would go down, and it pretty much did the way I expected, but I know plenty of people who have technically never been Mormon who could've played the part.

There's a really simple test actually. Just offer them coffee

@@francescoghizzo my parents are temple members, and my dad was a second counselor, they drink coffee and caffeinated drinks like energy drinks and soda.

Can u post video reaction to it?

Selene, thank you for your respect and interest in religions despite being atheist, you seem so calm and respectful, I love the energy

@@clarakesi Thank you! I'm very interested in learning about religions and always open to hearing about other people's beliefs.

I think we support freedom of religion more than most. That doesn't me we don't want to share something that has made life so much easier. So many Ideas are forced on us even more. atheism is one that is forced on us at school, etc. But I get your point well said. Best of luck in your life.

I’m also an atheist and recently was reached out to by a missionary. Having a dialogue with her has been very interesting as someone who doesn’t agree with religion as a whole. I think they are really fascinating I just cannot wrap my mind around how people have so much faith

Suprised one of them is black and doesn’t know the racism in Mormon books

The mole is usually an ex-[insert identity] because that gives them more knowledge than the average person would. It makes the game more interesting and more fair.

Gods don't exist. Get out and start living your life freely embracing reality!

@@vp9549 what you believe in is not reality kid. its just your belief. stop forcing your beliefs on others and start freely living your own life!

@@vp9549 You're not going to convince anyone of anything. Just accept that people have different beliefs to you

@@sasori7054 The reality that gods don't exist is as much a "belief" as there being no horses living on Pluto. Stop accepting delusions which have oppressed people since their conception as normal.

Utah

It's location based. There are huge church areas where there are very few white people. Just depends on where you are (and how many racists are in your congregation, too, because that can alienate people into leaving).

Lol... much of the lds family I have in Utah are blondes but lds family I have outside utah are almost all brunette

What area do you live in? 😂 The blonde hair everybody’s white is more a Utah thing 😂

I’m from California and all of the Mormons I know are blonde hair blue eyed too

Especially since there’s such wide variance in devoutness and doctrine

Or a Jehovah's witness one

And muslim too!

@@ellekayvee5966 That already exists.

that would be too easy, every mormon/exmo would know it by heart

That would have been INSTANT! Hahaha

Lol

I'm dying laughing. 🤣🤣🤣

*ex-mo flashbacks*

Love this!

I am a member of the lds church and it always makes me sad when people share bad experiences of how some members treated them. The church isn’t 100% perfect and has some things that could get better for some members but I still believe it is true!

Me too!! I reread three times like i know this doesn’t say that😂😂😂

ME TOO

I literally just commented this lmao

They're synonyms

@@josephagan7278 Not cool. Im not even Mormon but you dont have to be rude about other people's religions.

Agreed 100%!

That's clever. If anyone ever said they wanted to be a bishop, they are definitely a mole

Ha, I would answer “nursery leader.” I do unfortunately know many members who secretly, or not-so-secretly, really want to be the bishop.

That’s surprising. Maybe it’s because I’m from Utah, but I know several people who want and even vie for leadership positions.

As an exmo, I still reference that movie 😄

I absolutely love that movie.

Johnny Lingo!

@Atl Estrada-white it has nothing to do with polygamy, it is an inside joke from a Polynesian movie 😂

@@clarakesi Clearly not LDS, lol

yessss!!!!

same thing tbh 😭

ME TO LMMAAOOO 😂😂 i was like what measures do they use to determine who is an actual moron

@@rileyl5062 you’re weird asf, respect others beliefs

This needs more likes 😂

@@janyia3388 they just misread Mormon as moron calm down

maybe she meant in her part of rural or urban oregon?

Rural Oregon/Washington are different from Urban. Maybe she was telling the truth but was just from the city

@@blakehill5324 yeah eastern WA and OR are VERY rural.

I thought this too. And pretty much all of the Mormons here in Eugene seem very accepting of LGBTQ people. I know that’s not the case other places though.

@@chloemajlinda3957 yeah they arent known for tolerance really.

There was one with Muslims except all of them were "progressive" Muslims, I.e. not actually Muslims

@@ThePatriarchXCI91 that’s because maybe real Muslims defend such psychotic things 😂.

@@ThePatriarchXCI91 Muslims can be progressive. The idea that progressive Muslims aren't actually Muslim is completely wrong.

@@ThePatriarchXCI91 define "progressive muslim" tho. i watched that episode and as a Muslim i didn't really think there was much wrong with the players...

@@ThePatriarchXCI91 Nice "no true scotsman"

Same, it’s definitely not perfect just like any other religion, but there are many things about it that I love

My fiance and his family were raised mormon and they have began drifting away from the church. Unfortunately there are so many terrible things hidden from members in the church. On the inside it seems like it's about love but it's conditional love. If you're gay, they don't accept you. If you're not mormon, they don't accept you. They only help each other. Even their own children will be disowned in many cases if their children admit they no longer wish to be apart of the church. It;s truly sinister in many ways and even if it was truly a real religion, the present prophets and priests certainly are liars who only care about the money tithings give to them

@@Kiakyu You're talking about a select group of members of the church. Individuals who are human and imperfect, just like you and everyone else. That has nothing to do with what the church teaches and more to do with the culture that has developed over the years. Unfortunately, it can be quite toxic and that is why people understandably leave. You clearly are mistaken about what the church teaches, because it has nothing to do with power, wealth, and selfishness.

yess me too

@@Kiakyu Everything you listed is very individually based and not what the church teaches as a whole. My fiancé is not LDS and I am, my family has welcomed him with open arms and so has my ward despite him not being interested in the church. There is some sadness on my parents part that we will not be getting sealed in the temple due to him not being a member but they have always been 100% supportive of us. The ward I grew up in has been as well, he will frequently attend with me and everyone has always been supportive and kind. Are there people like how you described? For sure. But they are not the majority and they do not truly follow Christs teachings.

How would that be different from the one that's 6 Christians and 1 Secret atheist

Hate to say it but that’s just typically a “Utah LDS” thing. I was born and raised in TN, served a mission in Oregon and Brazil, and can confirm that absolutely every single “Utah LDS” member or even those raised in other places with parents from there, speak that way. I also hate to say that their random tone inflection ABSOLUTELY drives me bonkers haha.

SAME SHAYLA just talk normal plllleeeaaaasssee lol

I have found the uptalk to be true of every sister missionary I have ever encountered. I have no doubt it is more prevalent of the Utah sourced ones though.

Gods don't exist.

Recommend reading the mormon ces letter that points out possible dips in logic in ur church

Its a terrible organization.

can ya'll stop 😭 theyr're just saying how they're happy to see people like them

@@roxythecat4720 No, I prefer to live in reality.

GIGACHAD

And here i was surprised they found two people of color

@@mallorykane2843 the church has a huge population of bipoc. It’s a worldwide church and not just for white people

Sorry to hear you've had some challenges you felt steered you away. I've had some bad experiences as well, but some really great ones, too. The doctrine of Christ is perfect, the people in His church are not. When I focus on this, and on Christ, I go for Him. And because I go for Him, I'm willing to serve others and put up with the challenges that come from dealing with imperfect people just like others have to deal me imperfect me. I wish you the best in your journey.

You met Utah members.

@@jdavies thank you and i do believe that the reason someone should go to church isnt because of the people, but because you want to become a better person and learn more about Christ and i still do believe in most things the church teaches. me and my girlfriend are both in the same boat and we both still would love to get married in the temple. i honestly just think for the people aspect i need to go to a different ward. i believe no matter what path i choose i will be loved by him, and i hope but also know he knows how i feel and why ive been frustrated for years about what happens at church revolving around the people there. i wish you the best as well

@@jdavies Gods don't exist. Grow up.

They do and I’ve had experiences about it

I knew a few in high school and all but one were kinda being rebellious. They all said Mormon but the devout one never did. Funny how that works.

They first made the not saying Mormon "rule" like 5 years ago

That’s not saying much because I’m as devoted as one could get in the church and I’ve never heard a member say “church of lds” … we never say that. We might say “lds church” or “I’m lds”. I have heard non members say “church of THE lds” which is always a dead give away they are nonmembers

I’m LDS and I honestly use both, the whole name is just soo long and most people are more familiar with the word Mormon.

We can say it ourselves but it’s technically a derogatory term that was placed on us in the 1800s when we were put on extermination order in Missouri.

Me too!

I actually had someone say “Mormons do arranged marriage” 🤦‍♂️

oh no 😭😭

Same, I think only have like one or two that I really like, and I don't even have those memorized very well 😅

At first I thought she said it wrong then I realized she did the older one I didn’t know.

This is exactly what I was thinking loooool

Gods don't exist.

@@vp9549 then how are you on earth

​@@Teasaw My father impregnated my mother, creating me. Google is free.

Nonsense… you’re a genius. It’s your brother.

Religion is false.

@@redplanet76 😂

We talked about having a personal relationship with the Savior and how our church understands the Atonement, but unfortunately those parts were edited out.

@@CalebCuzner Your have no relationship with "the Savior" as he does not exist.

Your statement about “they are highly discouraged from questioning anything in the church..” just isn’t true. I’ve been a member active and non-active my entire life and have had many questions, but I’ve never been discouraged from asking them or trying to find answers to those questions by anyone, leaders included.

One of the things we are taught is to question and see if we do believe. Most people stay in the church because they find that the church is true and they have been questioning and doing research.

@@jakeferrin2479 lol Nelson literally said in a recent conference that people who use any other source than church approved ones are 'lazy learners'...

It’s normal to question the church as a member and do your own research… I have read the CES letter as well and I am an active member.

The restoration of Christ’s church started with a question. It is a big part of our religion to ask questions & learn for ourselves.

True.

Real 😂

Same, and I thought that immediately when she started to recite it.😆 I loved watching this whole episode though!

Same here, and I thought that as well lol. Actually, I had just barely memorized that one and then they changed it to the one it is now.

Same, I thought she was doing it wrong for a moment then I remembered that it changed not to long ago.

yes i love this idea!

This is a great idea!

Omg yes!!!

that's just 2 moles that know each other are moles

@Atl Estrada-white The ”thing” would be, um, this is just an example, everyone liking chocolate except for the one friend. The friend who does actually like chocolate would do their best to keep suspicion off the friend, who dies not like chocolate. Excuse this I'm bad at explaining things😅.

Yeah! I agree!

Hi, I was wondering why you go by LDS now and not Mormon?

@@Random-sk6hm Actually, "Mormon" was never the title of the church. There is a set of scriptures called "The Book of Mormon" and non-members coined the term by calling members "Mormons".

@@nathanprime2434 oh thanks for letting me know

@@Random-sk6hm Exmormon here! They changed the name as a PR stunt because so many recourses are now available to lds members and they don’t want them reading or listening to anything not approved by the church! We were in the past self proclaimed as Mormons and it is only recently the church really changed their minds on the subject.

Its a mormon cult, sis

@@ESALTEREGO It’s not a cult. 🙄 How many times will I have to say this. It’s a religion. There is a difference.

@@NysiahPlatinum okay fine, religion of cultists

I noticed that too haha. It’s a little odd, but whatever

When you know, you know.

Yeah as an ex mormon, unfortunately it still exists

@Talltom we’re not spreading hate dude you don’t even know what you’re talking about

@@5.7l6speed2 just cuz you’re lgbt doesn’t mean you can’t be a member. There are openly gay MISSIONARIES out there in the world

@@Paytri0t never said a lgbt couldn’t be a member you dingu s

Come over to Idaho and Utah!

They have to haha, or they can't go to the temple and therefore can't go to heaven

@@albanribet4938 lmaooo how sad

@@albanribet4938 what??????

@@albanribet4938 bro thats not true... as a mormon you are expecting to give 10% of your money to the church to help fund the building of other temples and churches.

@@llamaaazzz yeah but if you decide not to donate the money, you won't be able to get to the higher levels of heaven. Plus the church has so much money anyway, doesn't need any more

😬 so many free spirited Catholics lol

nah bro, there isn't anymore

Really?

@@davidwilliamson5406 yeah, they kept "deacons, teachers, and priests" but the names for the female counterparts got removed a year or 2 ago

It absolutely is a thing in the church. There is Young Mens/Young Womens and also Sunday School.

I knew from the start that the WHEEL chair was the MOLE because she looks LGBT nice try tho Jubilee.