The Desolator missile launchers look like somethin Ork Lootas would build.

Space Marines definitely need more imperial gothic influence.

I think it would have been better if the models were paired with gravis armor

A belt-fed missile launcher is the kind of crazy that sounds just right for space marines to be fair... But having two missile launchers just smooshed onto each other, being waved around one-handed like water guns, that I think is where they lost me on this kit. The new seraphon, on the other hand, look absolutely fantastic!

We also still need a Catachan killteam. So a Catachan vs Tyrannid box would be awesome

Those Seraphon mounts remind me of the Kulu-Ya-Ku from Monster Hunter.

I've said this in a different video looking at the new Arbites models. They look like a good starting point for "Misters of Battle." Their pattern of armor is very similar if not outright a masculine looking variant of the sisters armor. Tack on a sister's power pack and replace the weapons accordingly. Then scratch off the Arbites logos and either free hand or green stuff some fleur-de-lis on them and you are 95% there. You'll want to source some Imperial Cult iconography to give them a few baubles.

The old saurus were constrained to fit tightly together in the block formations, so they were really free to open up their poses a lot. Big improvement:)

They had some good looking Rocket launchers for the Votan. Something in that direction could have looked good in Space Marine hands. Those new ones just are a bit too big in my opinion.

Those missile launchers felt like an ork weapon made for a space marine

The funny part about belt-fed rocket launchers... is that they've been in the game for decades. We call them "heavy bolters." Remember that the "bolt" is a miniature missile, and the bolt pistol is basically the "rocket gun" from the old Bond film You Only Live Twice. Mind you, the new nerf cannons do look ridiculous, that's absolutely true.

"But you know what else can do a lot of damage to infantry? That's right, our Patreon!" Seriously thought that's where that was going for a second 🤣 But seriously, Kill Team is such a great opportunity to bring back the old Imperial Guard regiments like the Tallarns and Valhallans!

I think they could have installed the large missile in a short of shoulder pod, like in the starship troopers CGI films and then the six shooter missile launcher.... Even with these modifications, I think it is too much daka.

Idk how hard it'd be on the editing side but I'd really like it if you could pull up a picture of the old models when you're comparing to the new ones, cause there's a lot especially in AoS that I'm not familiar with!

I've been watching too much EoB. At 22:06 I've been conditioned to think Jay was going to say "But you know what else can do a lot of damage to infantry? THATS RIGHT our Patreon"

the sad thing is, even if the model looks bad, it will sell well because "space marines" and games workshop will look at the sales and think "hmmm seems everyone loves this silly nerf gun models"

My disappointment of the Arbiters team is that I was really hoping for a Inquisition team, Imagine a team were you get an inquisitor (or interrogator) with a group of elite henchmen, and options to take "chamber-militant" units like Deathwatch, grey knights, and Sisters. The brutalis dread is nice, I would've like a gravis lieutenant, and gravis artillery (desolators). Then again, I'm really waiting to see when Deathwatch will get a new updated book....like a primaris version of the DW Veterans in the same vain of the new black templars.

I think the silliness of the RAWCKET LAWNCHER marines is wonderful in a way. It somehow reminds me of Metal Slug a little bit.

I'm loving all the different human kill teams - finally getting to see a little of all the different parts of the empire

The desolation squad is a fantastic Ork kit at least!

Not sure if you remember the the original Tau broadside battle suit ? It had the cannons on the shoulders and then people converted them to be held. Now the comes like that. Maybe you and others can do the same thing with these. Convert them to the shoulders

YES! i'm glad to hear you're a fellow Juan Diaz connoisseur. His Wood Elf sculpts were the mosy jawdropping sculpts I've seen, ever.

I really like your excitement and positive, even when you don't like something, you doing this in kind manner. thanks for this.

I’m with you on the Space Marines weird belt-fed missile pods. Not sure of any purpose for the “dial” or “range finder” attachments. Viewing them would be awkward and they’re overly large to last in battle; unless you’re trying to create a distraction…

I think you're right about the belt feeds. Get rid of them and it might make the squad look less ridiculous and try to have them be held with more weight so they don't look like nerf guns

The missile launchers suffer from the primaris aesthetic of “MOAR GUNS!!” equal UPGRADE ala repulsors. I agree with you that they would have looked better with shoulder mounted launchers. Time to fire up the 3D printer, I’m sure someone out there has already designed primaris scale shoulder missile launcher bits.

You nailed the issue. The Devistators should be in Gravis with shoulder mounted launchers. Could not figure out what I did not like before.

I would have loved a giant version of the Rogue Trader Marine missile launcher, fed by giant magazines looked great imo.

Another great release lineup for Skaven players.

Props for not making corn puns :) Oh wow, you're not wrong about those Desolation Squad Marines... ugh. Just makes no sense, it's like some designer's kid scribbled them in their 2nd grade notebook and they just ran with that direction. They should have stuck with just the round rocket pod thing that makes up the lower portion, maybe scaled that up a little, and done.

Arbites have options for all to be with shields and power mauls 😊

I think the rocket "chainguns" would be fine if they didn't have the additional rocket tubes attached to the top. The concept in general just feels kind of redundant when you already have the Bolter, a fully automatic weapon that fires massive caliber rounds that explode on impact.

Man Jay makes me smile. So enthusiastic and personable

I see the Desolation Squad in a so ridiculous that I fall in love with them. All the flaws are so goofy that I just love the stupidity it has a feeling like older models and how ridiculous those looked sometimes. If you see the gun as to big I could see someone mounting the top part of the gun on top of their shoulder or power pack but they are just to hilarious for me to hate them.

Idea: Strap the top rockets to the backpack kind of like how the broadside battlesuit does and remove the belt from the gun

I love how a lot of GW stuff looks., Like those vampire samuari really couldn't have come from anywhere else, and I love how they don't make them beautiful. I see what you mean about the guys with the huge guns, they would probably have been alright if they looked a bit more buffed, like aggressors or terminators who are traditionally heavy duty guys. Yet they seem to be doing everything to resist going back to terminators. It's weird really, likewise with gravis. I think the main issue with the line of new releases is that there isn't a clear progression. Tactical, Assault, Scouts veterans, heavy's, terminators. Then you got the sub faction special sauce. We all got what their role on the battle field was immediately and could build companies around their core identity. But new marines don't really have a core identity, they are a bunch of varied stat blocks that we typically pick the best out of to make an army, and I have no idea what a space marine army should look like. Perhaps that was intentional, so that marines could pick the best tools to fit their sub faction, but I've got no idea what a Phobos, Gravis or intercessor is based on the vague semi English legal language that is used to describe them. Like innovation without direction basically. Thanks again for the fun video Jay!

i promised myself i wouldn't buy more until i get through what i have so far. Then boom new lizardmen

I would totally want to kitbash those missle launcher astartes, to have the space marine equivelent of an anti material sniper rifle, maybe even double barrel.

Everyone who hasn’t put a slann together seems to love the new model. The first I remember was in the 90’s it was a toad carried on a throne by six saurus warriors. Next we get a slam that hovered. It had a great meaty clear stalk. Then we get two where the model is held up by four or five “supports “ if you’d call them that. I’ve watched people build them and they are a nightmare. I guess beauty over constructibility. Also the modes are tipsy. I think to fix them is what I saw on google for display models, bigger bases and the clear plastic shaft in the middle. It gives you places to securely grab the models and they not fall over. Now in the 90’s some tournament rules were you had to stay on the factory bases. Age of Sigmar maybe different since every little miniature doesn’t have to stay squished together. Idk I need a new book. But if I cold find better pictures of how the new slann priest is stabilized I might save up for one. After all they (I believe) are all gorgeous models. Btw don’t the new saurus models look like one page rules models.

Hmmm. When I first saw the new marines I had assumed the cylindrical weapon was a belt fed autocannon but then became clear those were missiles not gun barrels. The combi weapon would have made sense with guns plus missiles. Missiles and more missiles? Not so much. As I don't play the game that much these days just build and paint, I will probably file down the missile tips and drill them out as gun barrels. In my own head they are autocannons. I'm more looking forward to the Adeptus Arbiters in the new Kill Team but I expect it will be out of stock immediately and never return to the web store. And why haven't they released the Kasrkin figures separately yet?

How about a list of best birds? We've got drukhari bird, corsairs bird, kroot bird, chaos knight bird, ... Also you forgot to mention leagues of votann, they haven't gotten kill team rules yet either. Maybe they can even have their own bird!

After a few days to think about the Desolation squad… I think it’s that they look like Ork weapons. These would be right at home on a Rokket Boy or a Flash Git. But they don’t fit on a marine. That being said, I’m going to get 30 of them, because my brain demands it.

Tho the ideal Kill Team would be a 25 man AP1 all Grot Kill Team, introduce true hoard team to the game.

Sisters: deadlift. Guardsmen: tripod. Lootas: shoulder mounted, weight distributed by super structure. Primaris: pistol grip 🔫

The only human team I want to see in Killteam now (I was extremely excited for Arbites and will definitely be getting the box) is Killteam Catachan. The moment they release an updated Catachan kit is the moment I'll start an Imperial Guard army

Honestly, I understand how a belt-fed six shooter rocket launcher would work, as, while you shoot, a rocket gets reloaded, to not interrupt the shooting. Or it could reload similar to the spiral from war robots, as in, after it has finished shooting, it reloads a rocket, then spins to the next one, and continues to do that until all 6 barrels are loaded. The only thing I don't like is the space marine that is holding a pistol out while he wields the gun with a single hand It would have made more sense if the gun would have been resting on the ground, because balancing seems to be an issue.

Primaris with Ratchet and Clank sized weapons is the first time I've wanted to get Space Marines tbh

"Get your tshirts! C'mon get some!" Those marines are just putting all the cotton from the cotton planets to use.

Two quick thoughts: firstly, if you have a negative review, put that up front. It's way more fun to end on a high note! Second, if you're going to use an initialism like LVO, define it at least once in your video! YOU know what it means, but don't assume your whole audience does. Good stuff as always!

I'm already seeing two possible ways you could kitbash those primaris missile launching marines. It would require parts from first born missile Launchers though, specifically the arms. You would need to cut away the most of original launcher and separate the primaris one from its trigger assembly then combine them so that the primaris marine is holding the launcher like the first born, you're definitely going to need green stuff and lots of random bits to fill gaps, move the 6 shot launcher somewhere else (I say on top), and because you'd be using first born arms and at least one set holds the launcher with both, you'll need to cut and add spacers to true scale them. Now if you want a real challenge, try converting at least one primaris body into a kneeling position.

I’ve been binging so much EOB that I’m conditioned to think “you know what else…” or “you know what doesn’t…” leads to a patreon plug 😂😂😂 you know what else will lead to a patreon plug? That’s right, our patreon! 😂❤ Love ya Jay

Everytime he says "and speaking of -thing-" I kept expecting him to follow up with "that's right out Patreon". Definitely didn't disappoint at the end 😂

Re: Desolaboobadoo Mareins: Dear GW, if you want to make Orks, just make Orks. You can do seventeen different variations of the same ridiculously big gun within the same squad and nobody will bat an eye.

"He has cute little cheek spots" - those are ear lobe expander thingies, I think. You know the ones, some people wear them.

2:22 Those aren't cheeks Jay, they are the eardrums of the frog/Slann.

The new lizardmen just being the ones from Total War Warhammer is funny to me. Most excited for the Adeptus Arbites kill team though.

Regarding your comment about Jurassic Park and the 80's dinosaurs - I think it was in Jurassic World where the scientist Henry Wu covers that point when he says that if they were created using pure dinosaur DNA, they would look quite different. The point is that due to gaps in the DNA being filled in with other creatures (such as the sex-changing frogs in the first Jurassic Park film), they're not actually dinosaurs.

For me the issue with the missile launcher dudes is less the missile launchers and more that they wear vanilla primaris power armour which is a bit bleh. I was hoping they would grimdark them up a bit.

I mean, a bunch of old casemate tanks really DID have the gun going through the entire length of the tank and the crew just kind of squeezed in between the breach and the tracks, so yeah. That might in fact be exactly what's going on with the Cerb.

I'm an old grognard but I like to let people have their fun, even if it's not for me. So normally I don't pipe up on these topics. But since you asked: [Disclaimer: I know that GW can and will do what they want. They don't need permission from anyone. These are just my thoughts and opinions and the words don't need to be heeded] The Desolation Squad - to me - is the culmination of what Primaris Space Marines are to the setting. Well, the culmination FOR NOW: Primaris lack the vast background of ten thousand and more years of actual lore, supplemented by a quick "Oh, they were brewing for all that time in secret! Nobody knew. Even the ones who know all the stuff that nobody knows (but nobody knows how they know that) didn't know that. That's how secret they were! But they definitely have a proper reason to suddenly fit in the setting because, uh, they were VR training all that time, in secret." which kind of robs them of the arcane and gothic feel that the firstborn have. They have their own armor marks, which do look cool on their own, but they definitely aren't the same in terms of renaissance-esque aeesthetics as the evolution of marks the firstborn have. So both lore and looks are rather bland and not as interesting as the "ancient future technology knights"-vibe, to me. And the designers have always been over the top with everything Primaris, from the get go. They have organs that make them harder to kill, on top of the organs that firstborn Space Marines have, that make them already harder to kill. They have Bolters that are more tacticool and thus are basically the same as normal Bolters but hurt more than normal Bolters. They have tanks that float, and they have weapons upon weapons upon weapons out of the wazoo. They have gun emplacements that actually hover, as well... and I imagine that is because someone in a meeting said "Nah, we can't make a gun emplacement that shoots little gun emplacements. We need to find something else to make it extra." They have Mario Kart Quads with guns that are even less practical on a battlefield than their bikes, which again are less practical than the firstborn bikes (the rule of cool gets lost somewhere, when you make the same, cool thing over and over). The Redemptor I can not hate, because like Jay, I love me my Dreadnoughts. And there are others, like the Leviathan, that are comparable. But then again there's no reason a firstborn couldn't be entombed in a Redemptor... Now they have the Xzibit Squad, with rocket launchers on their rocket launchers... and the trend will continue, because I at least can't see a way for GW to reign the coming Primaris units back in. The 9 year old in the art department likely already has a flyer drawn up, with at least eight barrels in each cardinal direction and manned bombs that throw out the "Implonator Squad" Space Marines after the bomb went off, or something... I'm going back to grumbling now. Love y'all!

For comically oversized guns, definitely go with shoulder mounted. Take a look at the Yan Huo Invincibles in Infinity to see it done correctly.

The Spacemarines looking like Guys with T-Shirt Cannons. You get an Empereor T-Shirt you get an Emperor T-Shirt, everybody get an Emperor T-Shirt!

I agree with your assessment of the Desolation Squad. They look comical and terrible. Remember that Primaris can never be armed with the same gun as firstborn, so the designers had to invent some new and different type of missile launcher. Tthey really outdid themselves with this one

The dude in the tank is just doing a JCVD split. The desalination squad should have been on the shoulder for sure!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!

I think if I ever get a Seraphon army, I'm sculpting loincloths on those Saurus guys.

I think you need to be employed at GW so you can come up with the names of all the new models

25:00 speaking of old style shoulder mounted weapons, checking trope site about carrying weapons, apparently that is the most efficient and military's realistic way of carrying and shooting guns accurately. So the old cory models were the most accurate to IRL. Makes sense if you think about it, very heavy gun, have it on shoulder and it faces direction you are looking.

i think warhammer need to stop producing space marines for an entire edition, like, one named character for an edition, then give the xenos faction a proper range refresh, i think we hit the space marines saturation point

I'll be honest, I didn't see the space marine's rockets as nerf guns. While to me they aren't magnificent, they reminded me of the old quake arena shooter weapons

About you "out of LoS" point... Imagine Desolation Squad carried mini cruise missiles and had a comm array on their backpack to control, along with some goofy Fpv goggles helmets.

The question I have at the moment is how are super frag/Krack and castellan launchers connected. If they are separate pieces, you mover the super launchers to the backpack (like a typhoon launcher) and replace it with a laser pointer or the sensor from the backpack. If they one piece however, I’ll pass and use devastators.

The Arbites just look like male sisters of battle. You're welcome for never being able to unsee that

Why wouldn't it be a bird? They're also an actual Drukhari unit, Razorwings. Only makes sense to represent them more, especially with Scourges in your army.

funny thing about missile launchers. the missiles make up 2/3rds or more of thier weight, so them big ass tubes are gonna lighten up fast. as far as the belt fed castellan launcher. given how small they are (smaller than the .70 cal bolts) I can see them being linkless feed belts. if the launch tubes didn't have the warheads jutting out I could see a rotary set up where the castellan launcher loads into the barrel at the 12 o clock, fires at the 6 o clock, and 8 and 10 are more to cool the tubes.

Those guns are so big that it doesn't matter how strong they are, they would fall. Over if their feet weren't pinned to the floor... Maybe they have hooks in their shoes like michaw Jackson

@2:30 if you actually want to know, the little skink is both the caretaker (he wipes the frogs ass) and the translator, most of the "seraphon" cant speak what the slaan does, the skink translates the orders for the rest of them at least thats what i remember it being from WH fantasy, idk if they changed it for AoS

Desolation squad is the least well received unit I’ve seen. They are far too busy. Remove the belt feed, move the mini rocket pods to the backpack and cut down the tube count on the top, three of the small rockets or one big one on top.

The claws on the Brutalis are rumored to have a sweep profile anyways. I also don't get the Desolation squad hate. They look fine. I think people's complaints are nickeling and dimeing a bit with them. Same with the Dorn tank bottom plate. Just feels like much ado about nothing.

The space marine with rockets: go with the rotating missile launcher as a stand alone gun, and strap the bigger missile launchers on their backpacks, or on servo arms.

It feels like GW took some inspiration from the unreal tournament 1999 rocket launcher, but then made it much worse.

I think they're good as is with the guns. It's not even that silly, and it works fine to me. They're space marines, let them be Superman holding a big ass gun with no problem, make the revolver chain fed, it looks cool and like the type of tech they'd make too. Big disagree with you here.

niche units like the anti-infantry dreadnaught could be put in versus boxes where the pairing is a fun experience

I think the community is being way over the top with these models, I like them. Every weapon devastators have are huge, why should this be any difference, I mean they wield tank weapons. Granted the sgt. is a bit too much.

I don't mind Arbites, I mind the fact it's the 4th human team in a row and are taking up a slot that 3 other space hulk centric forces would be perfect for. They should have kept them for next season

The heavy tank destroyer is painted in the old "Sons of Horis" paint scheme so it is probably 30k

I feel like they're pulling primaris marines in three different directions at once. There's the gothic fancy black templars and the new lieutenant, there's the big chunky boys like gravis and the dreadnought, then the weird much more generic cluttered SciFi . Like the new missile guys. Now it's just one gun per squad too. They should step back from space marines for a bit to figure them out

Gotta agree with the comments about the SM missile launchers looking orky & cobbled together. That launcher shaped like a box with lid in the end is the hunter-killer missile straight out of the original Leman Rus model kit from the 90s.

Dead honest, I'm fuggin lovin' the Desolation squad. Space marines work best when they're tongue in cheek, though I could understand if someone thought they're a bit much here.

I've been holding off on aos because my two favourite armies, warriors of chaos and lizardmen, were either still lacking in variety or really outdated model wise. Looks like last year was the year of heresy for me and this year will be the year of Sigmar!

The Starmaster is now voiced by Brian Blessed in my head. Thanks for that ;)

I think a little conversion with the rearrangement of guns on the shoulders and the replacement of legs with legs from gravis armor will solve the problem. but then they will resemble tau... the dilemma.

They seem too attached to the Primaris armor template. If they adjusted the power pack, built the missile launcher into the pack itself and had it supported on one shoulder, that would look alright. And the actual belt felt rocket Bolter part looks pretty sweet, but they didn’t have to be stacked on top of each other.

The big launcher part is alright, I like that it has a different shape to the firstborn and HH launcher. However the should have be held at the shoulder and the bottom part is done.

There’s 2 big problems I see with the primaris missile dudes. 1. The guns look like they are just multiple random parts just stuck together. 2. balance. The guns and the models in general are super unbalanced. If the guns has a top grip so that they have to be held in two hands it would make more sense, the “gun” style makes all the weight of it hang out front. Yes, they are space marines, they have some type of sci fi way to stabilize them or something, but really they need to look more intuitively stabilized.

for the desolation squad I think if you chopped off the 6 shooter thing on the bottom and put like a flamer, melta, or plasma weapon it wouldn't look as weirdly proportioned. That and the 6 shooter thing should have been the same sort of boxy design the other missile parts are. I think these will be really cool to kitbash for sure though regardless of looking pretty goofy as they are. Maybe some more classic rocket launcher designs from 2nd ed could be printed and slapped on them?

Take the diagonal missiles on top of the gun and put them on the lens as a mini-turret, would work much better.

If the Desolator squad would have been in gravis armor with a gun in their hands and another option on their back/shoulder, that would have been way better.

I'm excited for the Arbites because I converted 6 crusaders using necromunda subjugators, just before the crusaders got removed from the Imperial Guard Codex. Now I'll just run those as an exactor squad with shields.

I also immediately noticed the saurus' abs when looking at the mini, it's indeed weird!

I think the Desolation Squad looks cool as hell, but I understand why some don't think they're good