Which was smoother and less fatigue in highs?

@@stephen9463 was smoother indeed and the bass was another. I mean the bass on the U12T is good but the Z1R is on another level.

If you get a good fit, the Z1R is absolutely incredible. I'd still like to get the U12t one day though

The technical performance of the lcd 5, susvara, STAX X9000, and WA Bravura is approaching the limit of what a headphone driver is capable of. Their distortion characteristics are effectively below human threshold. Even a focal utopia has 10x the SNR of them.

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Yep my thoughts as well. There's a lot of products (not just IEMs) that immediately stand out in certain ways. And whilst many of them are still ones you will love and enjoy much later down the line (I still really want a pair of Symphonium Helios for example, they might have a party trick but damn it's a good one), many of them I find that impressiveness fades over time. Whereas the stuff that for me has had the most longevity has been the stuff that isn't trying to impress in a particular area. They're just doing a lot of stuff well.

I couldn’t agree more. It’s all about your frame of reference. You can hand someone who’s not really into audio reproduction a u12t and you’ll get a resounding “meh”, because they sound real. Just like every non audio sound you hear all day long. Hence why so many, especially cheaper IEMs, go for V shaped tunings and other tricks to make it sound like augmented reality. You aren’t going to fully appreciate them unless you’re actually properly into IEMs/home/car etc. audio. It’s really, really hard to make something that doesn’t add much color and reproduces everything properly. You won’t appreciate that when you hear it unless you have the proper frame of reference.

Nice! Got any that you particularly enjoyed?

and BA timbre arghh here is $2k wasted for what I thought was an upgrade to my IER Z1R but it was a downgrade. But there is hope, maybe changing the Apex modules would reduce that metallic artificial sound that is BA timbre

@@Audio_Revelations an upgrade should be something that sounds similar but better in every way, and there's nothing like that if you want to upgrade the Z1R, it's already top tier. You will only gain something but lose something else.

@@ROCKSTAR3291 the IER Z1R burned in really good. There is no more BA timbre that metallic ringing and fuzzy ness on cymbal though the vocals need more warmth

@@Audio_Revelations yeah, it has a slight v-shaped sound so vocals are a bit thin. Nothing is perfect, but the Z1R is a legend in the hobby for a reason.

@@ROCKSTAR3291 changing the tuning filter will make the vocals sound thicker but for now i like v shaped i just pair it with a warm amp to get better vocals

As someone who has fallen in love with the IE600 but is interested by the U12T, how would you compare the two?

@@erev1986 The ie600 has a much more "fun" tonality, whereas the u12t is much more neutral to my ears.

Sleep on a couch

My big complaint is the artificial BA timbre sound well obviously it is an all BA IEM

@@Audio_Revelations u12T don't have that BA timbre. You will be surprised when you will listen to it, it sounds like world's best dynamic driver.

Any cable that is kink free

Honestly, if you want a great cable that looks and feels beastly, I would just buy the Monarch cable or something similar. No cable grants better sound quality, but you can certainly get cables that are more comfortable.

How do you compare them to the B2Dusk? That dip in the 3KHz is not something I would enjoy for my endgame iem. I give female vocals presentation a high priority.

Anyone?

Trio is a neutral v with better dynamics, better timbre & texture. For music it’s quite an improvement over U12T

I use Final Audio Type E tips with my U12T. These give me the best sound and comfort I've experienced with IEMs.

@@robertnoblitt518 awesome thank you so much! I'll check them out for sure

its heading towards ambient pro already, but yeah clear step up

@@iikatinggangsengii2471 I don't remember commenting this lol. Tried a Letshuoer S12 Pro at CanJam, bought a Raptgo Hook-X, and it's my endgame (for now).

Unfortunately finding a truly perfect product is next to impossible. Not just in audio, but in other areas like cars, cameras etc etc. There's almost always going to be some 'buts'. I don't think I've tried ANY audio product that I'd say is perfect in every way, at any price

@@GoldenSound Valid point, but the price still irks me.

You can get the B-Stock for 20% less. I bought B-Stock U12Ts and can't tell what the cosmetic issue is since it's so minor.

@lukeyrada yeah at 2K

@lukeyrada Sorry about that.

U12t is so highly regarded because they appeal to people like me who want music untainted by an IEMs particular "flavor," and just want music presented as closely as intended by the artist as possible while still adding a bit of bass emphasis for fun without having any particular frequency range obnoxiously boosted to get that "wow" factor. And they do it while sounding remarkably refined and without a hint of harshness in the treble, which I am particularly sensitive to.

Moondrop Variations gang here BTW, before purchasing Variations, was you thinking about Monarch MK2 as better option for a bit more?

@@vavent_ If I do get another addition to the IEM’s stable ( along with the IFI Gryphon) ..maybe MEST or Starlight V4 or Nanas …I’m not closed to getting another iem …but it’s has to be an absolute qualitative step up from Variations.

@@carminedesanto6746 Variations tuning is incredible, so I think it's hard to find clear upgrade especially in terms of tonality Except MEST never heard about other IEMs, from what I have seen recently you can also put on your radar Elysian Diva, looks like it's also sub base sound signature with great energy to female vocals, just like Variations, the only problem that they are a bit of boutique IEM, because they are made by one man and you can wait for IEM to be produced for more than 6 months, but still looks like all reviewers that have listened to them are really satisfied For my possible upgrade path from Variations maybe will be or U12t(maybe with eq to Harman or without) or Elysian Diva if it ever become more available in the world We can say there are a small amount of IEMs that are considered as upgrade of Variations, because this 520$ set competes with many 700-1000$ stuff easily, great value for money indeed

@@vavent_ Best of the Christmas season to you and yours .. The nearest dealer ( in Toronto) has the 64’s , Campfire and Meze IEM’s ..I’ve listened to the Meze ADVAR..very small and very nice ..and nearly double what I paid for my Moondrops . Definitely, I’d try before I’d buy ..because the clairvoyance looks damn interesting. Oh well, things to consider. Take care

Lol coincidentally, I own both IEMs and consider variations as the best value IEM or even as the benchmark IEM sub 1000$ but same performance as u12t? Are we still listening to the same earphones? 😂

Nah, it's not that heavy.

Ha ha. Uk £.

That other IEMs you have compared to the U12t before coming with this conclusion? Or only 2 that you have mentioned?

@@vavent_ I have tried a lot of IEM's, from entry until high level. So, I'm so sure with my conclusion for my preference.

@@IDFTY are there something similar in tuning to U12t and cheaper, so someone can understand at least a bit will U12t tonality will become boring for them? Do you find it's tonality 'too safe'? Have you tried some harman tuned IEMs? I hear the only problem with u12t except price is that for someone they are just boring, while technically excellent set, always was interested in U12t and only this scares me, don't understand why neutral with bass boost should sound boring, at least harman neutral I will definitely say is not boring at all(to me)

I'm also on the fence about U12t , Z1R is also one that i've looked but i'm worried about the fit. I'm scared that the U12t won't have the tuning that i like, and people say Z1R has amazing bass.

@@Alepap. I recently demoed most of the high end 64 Audio offerings as well as the Z1R and Andromeda 2020. The latter surprised me but ultimately wasn't what I was looking for and it came down to the U12T and Z1R. I was also worried about the fit, yes they are bigger but they went in just like the rest. And ya, the bass is amazing. Definitely one of the reasons I choose them over the U12T.

You are absolutely correct. I bought them and instant regret. These reviewers are probably paid to just talk about it without bashing it, then allow the fans of the brand to hype it up in the comments. Also, theheadphoneshow is biased for the U12t. They review it with custom cables while they review/compare other IEMs with stock cables. They also never account for audience reported unit variations for other products. I listened extensively to the U12t, Mest Indigo, V16 Divinity, Monarch Mk2, and Sony WF-1000XM4 (old firmware with heavy EQ) to compare, and the U12t was completely off in tonality and also sounded nothing special at all. It was my least favorite out of all the ones listed.

Search the video "64Audio U12t vs iPhone Speakers" by Sharur. The u12t are not good at all. And they are super overpriced!

@@resottolamontagna904have you tried the U12t?

And yet they are

@@tor13128 what you favorite among those

lol which one? haha

I'd still probably take U12t over everything these days haha.

@@ResolveReviews How’d you like 64A Blanc? Also need to hear the Mentor Multiverse, and Elys Annihilator 😌

@@dleblanc343 ya I haven't heard those yet. Definitely on my radar.

@@ResolveReviews it’s like going from Clear to Utopia in techs, but also taking on some of the esoteric tuning quirks. The Mentor really matches my HRTF, came in blind at Canjam and walked out having to get one. Lacks a bit of sub 60Hz foundation though, nothing is perfect

Spicy take

Clairvoyance??

I love the andromeda but the U12T stomps on them in most aspects

Yeah i feel 64 audio products don't look expensive, compared to other brands. I'd much prefer the look of the U18s for example and that better cable that it comes with.

With a set costing 2k I don't think flying under the radar of the public is a bad thing. They feel quality not sure I'd want them to be bling 😁

@@ic2433 I don't mean bling. I just don't like logos all over my equipment. They're tacky.

@@even1313 I think the logo is removable though i remember someone posted a pic in discord where he used a bunch of stickers of the U12t and when he tried to pull them off the logo came off with it

Not at all.

@@michaelp.3485 Just referring to the cons he stated about weird peaks and dips. It’s $2K, there shouldn’t be any little tiny minor con.

You're overrated

Interesting, which IEMs would you prefer in the price range?

@@AliArghavan U12t is the benchmark

@@AliArghavan I actually think the nio are better than u12t everyone talks about how they're the benchmark but I tried them at canjam and was left underwhelmed... especially the bass...i personally own the noble audio khan and they suit my taste perfectly

L.

He's a good presenter. Well spoken and clear

2,000 US dollars is serious

It's called being English

No. 2023 Elysian Annihilator paired with Astell & Kern SP3000. END. GAME.