7 factorials you probably didn't know

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Here are 7 less common factorials that you probably didn't know: double factorial, subfactorial, primorial, super factorial, exponential factorial, hyper factorial
0:00 new factorials?
0:53 double factorial
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3:11 subfactorial
see • subfactorial & derange...
5:33 primorial
7:13 super factorial by Sloane
8:38 super factorial by Pickover
10:22 exponential factorial
11:28 hyper factorial
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
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@ChadTanker
@ChadTanker 2 жыл бұрын
does any of those have any normal application? XD
@guidekungthgaming5854
@guidekungthgaming5854 2 жыл бұрын
Heheh that's all 4 in every examples.XD.But actually I like it.
@meriyalasai9078
@meriyalasai9078 2 жыл бұрын
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@christianpaul3651
@christianpaul3651 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChadTanker The subfactorial certainly has some (e.g. imagine n people meet and each of them brings a gift. The number of ways they can redistribute the gifts among them such that everyone gets exactly one gift and none gets his own gift is !n). It has some more serious applications as well (for instance in cryptography). The superfactorials grow insanely fast and I doubt they really have many application in reality tbh. It is easy to construct combinatoric problems that lead to them (however, I don't think those problems are likely to be relevant in practice) 😅
@navneeth.k7331
@navneeth.k7331 2 жыл бұрын
Now make a video on relation between them
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 2 жыл бұрын
If that is the Hyper factorial, the Pickover factorial should be named UltraMegaBlaster factorial instead of merely Super.
@raileite5994
@raileite5994 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah 😄👍
@goldend791
@goldend791 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Celeste speedruning
@ChrisMMaster0
@ChrisMMaster0 2 жыл бұрын
Or just Ultra Factorial
@srevere7241
@srevere7241 2 жыл бұрын
even inputting 3 into the pickover factorial will get you a number indescribable.
@ChrisMMaster0
@ChrisMMaster0 2 жыл бұрын
@@srevere7241 6^6^6^6^6^6 yeah, but I feel like that one is still more calculable than 4! Tetration 4! The real question is: Is 4! Tetration 4! bigger than Gram's Number or TREE(3)?
@luggepytt
@luggepytt 2 жыл бұрын
Two observations: 1. The double factorial is also known as the semifactorial, which I personally think makes more sense, since you are only multiplying half of the numbers less than or equal to n. 2. All this super-duper-mega-hyper factorial stuff reminds me of when we were kids, and got into an argument about things like whose car was faster, or whose daddy earned more money, like little boys often do. It usually went something like this: - A hundred. - Two hundred. - A thousand! - A thousand thousand! - Ten times more than you can say!!! (And no, that's not a triple factorial. It's just three exclamation marks.)
@luggepytt
@luggepytt 2 жыл бұрын
...but sometimes those who-can-name-the-biggest-number contests can end unexpectedly, as a colleague of mine once overheard his two boys compete: - One thousand. - Ten thousand. - One million. Elder brother now remembers that he has seen the infinity symbol, ∞, somewhere, and thinks he has a sure win: - Horizontal eight! But younger brother (who has no clue about infinity) is quick to respond: - Horizontal nine!
@X22GJP
@X22GJP 2 жыл бұрын
A factorial symbol is the exclamation mark, so it just depends on context. I bought a TV for my bedroom and won another 3!" Another 3! what? TVs or bedrooms? Did I win 3 and am just excited, or did I really win another 6?
@luggepytt
@luggepytt 2 жыл бұрын
@@X22GJP I do hope you won 6 quotation marks, and not 3, because 3 would be unbalanced and would certainly cause a syntax error.
@mumujibirb
@mumujibirb Жыл бұрын
There'e even more, look up hyperfactorial array notation in googology wiki
@nicoscool2333
@nicoscool2333 Жыл бұрын
Woah a thousand thousand factorial, that’s a lot
@erik9671
@erik9671 2 жыл бұрын
My TI-nspire sadly passed away calculating the 24 Power Tower... Rest in Pieces
@ziquaftynny9285
@ziquaftynny9285 2 жыл бұрын
rip
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
I am sorry to hear that….
@djsmeguk
@djsmeguk 2 жыл бұрын
I've set up my computer to run a quick python script. Hopefully, when every subatomic particle in the universe is a digit, I might be able to get you your answer. I'll set it up to read out from the milky way black hole..
@camrouxbg
@camrouxbg 2 жыл бұрын
That's not really a big loss 😉
@ziquaftynny9285
@ziquaftynny9285 2 жыл бұрын
@@camrouxbg Leave. NOW! 😤 😤
@lorenzohsu5133
@lorenzohsu5133 2 жыл бұрын
The real question is: "How do you seamlessly switch between pens?!"
@BuiTanDung
@BuiTanDung 2 жыл бұрын
there is a video of him showing how to switch the pens
@n4p3r0
@n4p3r0 2 жыл бұрын
Hacks
@lorenzohsu5133
@lorenzohsu5133 2 жыл бұрын
Link?
@BuiTanDung
@BuiTanDung 2 жыл бұрын
@@lorenzohsu5133 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y66BpdOS28u-eqM.html
@notenc1387
@notenc1387 2 жыл бұрын
that is the whole point of his channel name
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 2 жыл бұрын
"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind." Sir Terry Pratchett
@fgvcosmic6752
@fgvcosmic6752 2 жыл бұрын
I agree!!!
@dlevi67
@dlevi67 2 жыл бұрын
@@fgvcosmic6752 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@yat_ii
@yat_ii 2 жыл бұрын
True!!!!!!!!!!
@impwolf
@impwolf 2 жыл бұрын
idk who that is but he sounds like a mega incel based on that quote
@dlevi67
@dlevi67 2 жыл бұрын
@@impwolf Maybe use google or Wikipedia before commenting? Pratchett was a comic fantasy writer, and the quote was a joke. He often used multiple exclamation marks himself.
@digitig
@digitig 2 жыл бұрын
"Five times three times one. You can do that by yourself." *Finally* he gets to a level of mathematics I can do!
@JJ_TheGreat
@JJ_TheGreat Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Arthur0000100
@Arthur0000100 2 жыл бұрын
Usually the empty product is defined as 1 and empty sum as 0. So if the set of primes equal or lower than 1 is empty the product should be 1 by convention
@skylardeslypere9909
@skylardeslypere9909 2 жыл бұрын
I said exactly the same thing
@Arthur0000100
@Arthur0000100 2 жыл бұрын
@@skylardeslypere9909 sorry. Didn't see. Great to know you're on board
@skylardeslypere9909
@skylardeslypere9909 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arthur0000100 oh no I didn't mean to call you out or something. Just a nice coincidence. It means that we're probably correct lol. You commented well before me as well anyways
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Otherwise, it makes no sense to say 0! = 1 either.
@alphakrab5022
@alphakrab5022 2 жыл бұрын
It's not a convention, it's logic. The empty sum is 0 because whenever you add some number to it, it becomes that same number. So for all x, x+(empty sum)=x. That means empty sum=0. Similarly, (empty product).x=x, so empty product=1.
@PhantomKING113
@PhantomKING113 2 жыл бұрын
For the primorial, ig 1# = 1 makes the most sense to me. Ways to arrive at this conclusion: 1: You also multiply by 1 even if it isn't a prime. 2: Since 2 is a prime number, (2-1)# must be 2#/2, which in this case is 1. 3: An empty multiplication is 1.
@patricktho6546
@patricktho6546 Жыл бұрын
but also you can look at what the primes smaller than 2 are. That's the empty set. So you are multiplying the empty set over the empty set, witch is kinda undefined
@owenbechtel
@owenbechtel Жыл бұрын
​@@patricktho6546 The empty product is 1, as the original comment noted
@GrimGabrielS
@GrimGabrielS Жыл бұрын
I agree
@fallside_gaming9143
@fallside_gaming9143 11 ай бұрын
Same ans
@juanausensi499
@juanausensi499 11 ай бұрын
@@owenbechtel That's how i thought of this. When you are suming things, but you don't have anyghing to sum, you get 0, that is the identity for sums. When you are multiplying things, but you don't have anything to multiply, you get 1, that is the identity for multiplications.
@MagnusSkiptonLLC
@MagnusSkiptonLLC 2 жыл бұрын
10:14 I calculated it, but KZfaq doesn't allow posting comments so large they physically create black holes in the server. I've submitted a bug report, when it's fixed I'll get back to you.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@yat_ii
@yat_ii 2 жыл бұрын
Post it in pastebin then give us the link
@MagnusSkiptonLLC
@MagnusSkiptonLLC 2 жыл бұрын
@@yat_ii Got another error: Domain error: value cannot fit into the universe.
@yat_ii
@yat_ii 2 жыл бұрын
@@MagnusSkiptonLLC show an approximation in standard form then
@arcioko2142
@arcioko2142 2 жыл бұрын
@@yat_ii doesnt work either, the exponent creates another black hole
@angel-ig
@angel-ig 2 жыл бұрын
6:46 There's no primes less than or equal to one. Therefore, the solution is the product of the empty set, which is 1: the multiplicative identity.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 2 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@denis0dns
@denis0dns 2 жыл бұрын
Then why is (-1)! Not defined as 1?
@anshumanagrawal346
@anshumanagrawal346 2 жыл бұрын
@@denis0dns What?
@denis0dns
@denis0dns 2 жыл бұрын
@@anshumanagrawal346 yes same Argument. It would be an empty set
@anshumanagrawal346
@anshumanagrawal346 2 жыл бұрын
@@denis0dns I don't follow?
@Hepad_
@Hepad_ 2 жыл бұрын
The exponential factorial should use the euro (€) symbol. It's still a monetary symbol so it would remind us of the dollar symbol, and it symbolizes a E, just like 'exponential'.
@therandomjack961
@therandomjack961 Жыл бұрын
That's a great idea
@GvinahGui
@GvinahGui 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how the Hyper factorial gives way smaller numbers then the Super factorials (Pickover)
@TheRailfanner0
@TheRailfanner0 2 жыл бұрын
It's a shame how most math students are never introduced to the double factorial and/or subfactorial during Calc 2. I feel that knowing these concepts would make comprehending series a little easier.
@taekwondotime
@taekwondotime 2 жыл бұрын
What level of math is this? I'd dare say most students are never exposed to any of this. I've done every math subject there is short of Masters level or PhD level math and I've never seen or heard of any of these... ever.
@math_the_why_behind
@math_the_why_behind 2 жыл бұрын
@@taekwondotime I'm guessing it's some journals or papers or certain professors. idk for sure though.
@Harkmagic
@Harkmagic 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, these would just make writing out and defining a series super easy. Use of some of this notation would save a lot of hand cramps. But these don't really fall under a proper math class category. They are usedul tricks you pick up along the way. If ypu actually tried to use them you would probably have to provide a definition at the beginning to avoid confusion.
@taekwondotime
@taekwondotime 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harkmagic I'm willing to bet these are all recently invented mathematical notations. I doubt any of these existed ~40 years ago.
@kazedcat
@kazedcat 2 жыл бұрын
Gregory Rolfe Why not use the product notation?
@stevemonkey6666
@stevemonkey6666 2 жыл бұрын
I am surprised no one has come up with a Super Hyper Factorial
@mysticdragonex815
@mysticdragonex815 2 жыл бұрын
pwr_twr(n!) x pwr_twr((n-1)!) x pwr_twr((n-2)!) x ... x pwr_twr(3!) x pwr_twr(2!) x pwr_twr(1!) = &(n) where pwr_twr = power tower of n, and &(n) = As I call it, Super Hyper Factorial.
@stevemonkey6666
@stevemonkey6666 2 жыл бұрын
@@mysticdragonex815 you should write a paper, and you'll go down in mathematical history 👍
@KingGrio
@KingGrio 2 жыл бұрын
In the end my takeaway is: -the first 3 are useful notations -number 5 allows to write the biggest numbers with only few symbols -I don't see what 4 is good for but I have a feeling I could run into it naturally -I don't see what 6 is good for and have no idea when I'll ever need it -7 is bigger than 4
@AliKhanMaths
@AliKhanMaths 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this is pretty fascinating - I didn't know some these existed, and their uses are also interesting! Videos like yours inspire me to share my own maths content as well!
@X22GJP
@X22GJP 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't share any maths content here
@AliKhanMaths
@AliKhanMaths 2 жыл бұрын
@@X22GJP No, I share my maths content on my channel.
@charliecooper7458
@charliecooper7458 Жыл бұрын
hello ali khan, #1 KZfaqr
@greatgrumble
@greatgrumble 2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for the five-star-super-deluxe-premium-factorial.
@bestman2670
@bestman2670 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like something you can order from a restaurant.
@bread2512
@bread2512 2 жыл бұрын
If That's true Rip person that solves that
@temptemp217
@temptemp217 2 жыл бұрын
"And only for $11.99, you can buy this pack of -horse armor- factorials to add to your -game- calculations"
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
What new factorial will you define next?
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
fig factorial
@LostArcadeMachine
@LostArcadeMachine Жыл бұрын
n★
@therandomjack961
@therandomjack961 Жыл бұрын
@@LostArcadeMachine cool! and what does it mean?
@LostArcadeMachine
@LostArcadeMachine Жыл бұрын
@@therandomjack961 Come up with yourself, don't know what could that be 😅
@brothernicole3112
@brothernicole3112 Жыл бұрын
!N! is N! but multiplied by 2π and exponentiated by N!!
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 2 жыл бұрын
Some crazy stuff! And some not-so-crazy. I chuckled silently when you asked for calculator help with the power-tower, 24^(24^(24^(...^24)...)). I was picturing some poor cuss actually trying to work this out on a calculator. Even taking the log will only "reduce" the tower by 1 "level." And you didn't even crack a smile when you said that. Incidentally, I would say that 1# = 1, because it's a vacuous product - there are no primes ≤ 1. Fred
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
😆 I guess that phrase came pretty naturally for me since I often ask my students to calculate certain things for me during class. Hahaha
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Yes, that's good; and asking them to calculate this, would itself be instructive. Illustrates the power (pun intended!) of very large numbers. Fred
@koharaisevo3666
@koharaisevo3666 2 жыл бұрын
My Casio gave an instant answer "Math ERROR".
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 2 жыл бұрын
@@koharaisevo3666 Your calculator is correct. In the early days of computers, this was called, "floating point overflow." Fred
@Grassmpl
@Grassmpl 2 жыл бұрын
Using this superfactorial shouldn't be hard to write down something bigger than graham's number.
@lego312
@lego312 2 жыл бұрын
It's crazy that the number of derangements !n == the closest integer to n! / e. We looked at the formula for derangements on the first day of my combinatorics lecture because the formula was so cool.
@luggepytt
@luggepytt 2 жыл бұрын
Totally crazy. Almost deranged.
@pragalbhawasthi1618
@pragalbhawasthi1618 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@Grassmpl
@Grassmpl 2 жыл бұрын
I suppose we have to show that the truncation error from the infinite sum is at most 0.5 in absolute value?
@lego312
@lego312 2 жыл бұрын
@@Grassmpl Perhaps, but this falls out for free when you consider derangements in Sn for n > 2.
@Grassmpl
@Grassmpl 2 жыл бұрын
@@lego312 how does counting alone justify proximity to the transcendental number n!/e?
@giovannicaiolo5786
@giovannicaiolo5786 2 жыл бұрын
7:06 I don’t know the actual answer but I would guess 1#=1 for a reason similar to why 0!=1 We can define (n+1)# as =n# if n+1 isn’t prime and =(n+1) x n# if n+1 is prime 2 is prime and we know that 2#=2 so 2#=2=2 x 1# so 1#=1
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
Product of nothing = 1
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@rafiqhaq
@rafiqhaq 2 жыл бұрын
WolframAlpha has 1# = 2
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 2 жыл бұрын
@@rafiqhaq This is because Wolfram Alpha is using a different definition of n#. Wolfram Alpha defines n# not as the product of the prime numbers less than or equal to n, but as the product of the first few n prime numbers.
@prototypesoup1685
@prototypesoup1685 2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct! 1# is called an Empty Product. The value of an empty product is 1.
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching your videos about the subfactorial, double, super and hyper factorials. Thank you for always giving me new information!
@route66math77
@route66math77 2 жыл бұрын
Yikes, I thought I was in-the-know because I was familiar with the double factorial; I had no idea about the other factorial variants you showed. Very cool, thank you BPRP!!
@littlefermat
@littlefermat 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I saw this video before😅 I still remember when I was trying to solve an Olympiad combo problem and concluded that the answer was the multiplication of the odd numbers from 1 to 2n+1 Then I opened the solution and I was shocked when I saw the answer (2n+1)!! Only then to realise later "they are the same" 😂
@Calypso143
@Calypso143 2 жыл бұрын
I was always curious about those ever since I met the subfactorial on another video - thanks a lot for feeding mine and probably others' curiosities!
@akshayrajadnya5624
@akshayrajadnya5624 2 жыл бұрын
Le Giraffe: Calculates all difficult factorials and leaves us the easiest(24 power tower) to solve
@bsharpmajorscale
@bsharpmajorscale 2 жыл бұрын
I think I've seen all of these before. I play Four 4s a lot, so factorial extensions are key operations for me. Nice that he included both versions of the super factorial!
@issamsy
@issamsy 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't knew how math can be interesting and fun before, thank you for teaching me these new factorials.
@sentinelbrawlstars2203
@sentinelbrawlstars2203 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a question. Why does everyone solve factorial problems by multiplying integers from greatest to least. For example if a teacher teaches you how to solve for 4! they will likely tell you to multiply 4 by 3 by 2 by 1. Why not 1 by 2 by 3 by 4? You get the same result and it’s much more natural.
@helloitsme7553
@helloitsme7553 2 жыл бұрын
I guess most people don't have a preference but if you have the latter as preference, go for it
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
@@helloitsme7553 hi now i see u on this channel!
@virusweb7080
@virusweb7080 2 жыл бұрын
Because 4!=4.3! and we write 4x instead of x.4
@Apollorion
@Apollorion 2 жыл бұрын
If you start calculating that n! with the biggest factor, n, then you'll follow a more standard factorial calculation procedure: you'll have to stop when the changing factor reached 1, a condition which is independent of the factorial you're calculating. If you start with 1, then you'll have to continuously compare the changing factor with n and hence keep remembering that value of n, and stop when that changing factor has become n & multiplied into the value you're calculating. I definitely prefer the first a.o. because it doesn't matter whether you don't multiply a value or multiply it with 1, and because I won't have to remember the value of n, the paper I'm writing on will do it for me.
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
@@Apollorion ok.
@MultiPaulinator
@MultiPaulinator 2 жыл бұрын
I love him for how reluctantly he called it a hashtag and not a pound sign.
@VcSaJen
@VcSaJen 2 жыл бұрын
Just call it hash symbol. Pound sign could also mean £.
@patrickpablo217
@patrickpablo217 2 жыл бұрын
this is a great video. thank you for making a video explaining all of these in one place :)
@CroneoRegion
@CroneoRegion 2 жыл бұрын
whenever I see a new function, I try to graph it on desmos. I'd be very interested to see a video on how you would try to graph these
@ilickcatnip
@ilickcatnip 2 жыл бұрын
8:50 man you're making me laugh throughout the video 😂
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
😆😆
@mysticdragonex815
@mysticdragonex815 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen pwr_twr(n!) x pwr_twr((n-1)!) x pwr_twr((n-2)!) x ... x pwr_twr(3!) x pwr_twr(2!) x pwr_twr(1!) = &(n) where pwr_twr = power tower of n, and &(n) = As I call it, Super Hyper Factorial.
@kukuster
@kukuster Жыл бұрын
Would be great if you went over some of the applications of these functions! At least a couple of those weird ones i used to encounter when solving some complex combinatorics tasks
@dr.rahulgupta7573
@dr.rahulgupta7573 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation!!
@juanmirpieras
@juanmirpieras 2 жыл бұрын
1# according to your definition is an empty product (there is no p
@helloitsme7553
@helloitsme7553 2 жыл бұрын
Agree
@meriyalasai9078
@meriyalasai9078 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nM5nh5ii0a-6pHU.html Cinderella.3
@serbanhoban1517
@serbanhoban1517 2 жыл бұрын
He made a mistake when explaining what the primorial function does. He said that it multiples all the primes numbers which are less or equal than the number n but according to Wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorial it multiples the first n prime numbers. So the answer to the question 1# is 2 because the first prime number is 2.
@user-mv4ql3hh8k
@user-mv4ql3hh8k 2 жыл бұрын
@@serbanhoban1517 Please, read the article carefully. Particularly, please, pay attention on this section en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorial#Definition_for_natural_numbers
@diegocabrales
@diegocabrales Жыл бұрын
@@serbanhoban1517 This article says that if p is a prime number, then p# is defined as the product of all primes from 2 to p. However, then it states that if you want to include any natural number n, the definition is another one, and it coincides with the definition given in this video. For example: If n = 5, then n# = 5# = 5 * 3 * 2 = 2 * 3 * 5 If n = 8, then n# = 8# = 7 * 5 * 3 * 2 Note that 8# = 7# For the cases n = 0 and n = 1, where there are any prime numbers ≤ n, it's defined that 0# = 1# = 1
@anshumanagrawal346
@anshumanagrawal346 2 жыл бұрын
5:12 "Don't be too crazy" 5:15 Puts factorial on n's head
@Bonthefanfan
@Bonthefanfan 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love this channel ,I got surprised.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear 😃
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen most of them! Pretty fascinating! Thanks for inspiring me so much!
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
I don't actually know about the triple factorial
@fxexile
@fxexile 2 жыл бұрын
10:14 I'm pretty sure future Casio fx calculators will give the answer as 24^24^24.....^24. As the current ones are only limited in giving small answers like you enter 3/2 and press = button to see the answer 3/2.
@PositronQ
@PositronQ 2 жыл бұрын
7:05 by logic you need to define that if it’s less than or equal to 1. So you need to goes only +1 to the next p but in 0 (empty set) = 1 in a multiplicative way
@ashwinraj2033
@ashwinraj2033 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Ironically I Heard them when I was 4th grade but I had no Idea Of the applications. Thank you BPRP!
@JJ_TheGreat
@JJ_TheGreat Ай бұрын
Great video! I didn't know most of these!
@sharkknight618
@sharkknight618 2 жыл бұрын
10:16 my calculator says "Timed out. Value may be infinite or undefined."
@sttlok
@sttlok 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty sure it was just a joke, we can't even calculate stuff like 3^3^3^3^3.
@user-wo9ib3mt5i
@user-wo9ib3mt5i 2 жыл бұрын
@@sttlok btw there's an easier way to write down tetration, a^^b, there a is base (and each power) and b is the height. Thus, your example is simply 3^^5, and super factorial for n is n$ = (n!)^^(n!)
@sttlok
@sttlok 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-wo9ib3mt5i yeah I know, I am not used to the “^^” notation, but I am to writing down the exponent at the left.
@k4t4k4n
@k4t4k4n 2 жыл бұрын
funfact: sf(n) * H(n) = (n!)^(n+1) it is very intuitive, but to prove it nicely you might have to use product of a product formula for switching indexes (if that's what it's called)
@xavierdupont5772
@xavierdupont5772 2 жыл бұрын
It could be a nice thing to try to prove in Coq (or Metamath, but I didn't manage to have any success with Metamath yet)
@arthur_p_dent
@arthur_p_dent 2 жыл бұрын
Not hard to prove at all. Just show that sf(n) = n^1 * (n-1)^2 * ... * 2^(n-1) * 1^n and the claim follows immediately sf(1) = 1 => claim trivially true for n=1. Now assume claim true for n. Then: sf(n+1) = (n+1)! * sf(n) [by definition of sf(n)] = (n+1) * n! * sf(n) = (n+1)! * n! * (n * (n-1)^2 * (n-2)^3 * ... * 1^n)) (Using the assumption) =(n+1)! * (n*(n-1)*...*1) * (n * (n-1)^2 * (n-2)^3 * ... * 1^n)) (Writing out the factorial) = (n+1)! * n * n * (n-1) * (n-1)^2 * ... 1 * 1^n (some rearranging) = (n+1)! * n!^2 * (n-1)^3 * ... * 2^n * 1^(n+1) (more rearranging) Thus, if claim is true for n, it is also true for n+1. qed.
@k4t4k4n
@k4t4k4n 2 жыл бұрын
@@arthur_p_dent didn't say it was hard I did it like this: (using P as a product, [...] is a step(?), (...) is a subject/base/whatever the hell it is called in english) P[1
@TranquilSeaOfMath
@TranquilSeaOfMath 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this list. This is an interesting set of operations.
@MathZoneKH
@MathZoneKH 2 жыл бұрын
Today I have learned something new which that the most some of them I have not know before,thank you sir
@Mothuzad
@Mothuzad 2 жыл бұрын
I worked out the Pickover super factorial for 24. It's exactly equal to ERR.
@hasanissa505
@hasanissa505 2 жыл бұрын
What is ERR?
@Mothuzad
@Mothuzad 2 жыл бұрын
@@hasanissa505 It's short for "error".
@Grassmpl
@Grassmpl 2 жыл бұрын
Just compute it mod p for a bunch of primes p. Then use the Chinese remainder theorem to narrow down some options.
@MCLooyverse
@MCLooyverse 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen the first three. I remember asking if there was a name for products of all primes up to a given number, and someone told me about primorial. I was (...and actually still am, kinda) messing around with prime generation, and so I had generalized the trick of ignoring even numbers (after 2), and was using what I found to be primorials for that (it's one of several projects that I've never finished, or quit, but just got distracted from.). To define primorial recursively, I'd say `n# = { isPrime(n) : n * (n-1)#, (n-1)# }` (or, just `n# = n^isPrime(n) * (n-1)#`), and we can start off with a base case of 2# = 2. But if we apply recursion to that anyway, 2# = 2 * 1#, but we know that 2# = 2, so 2 * 1# = 2 => 1# = 1... and 1# = 1 * 0# = 1 => 0# = 1. So we have 1, 1, 2, 6, 6, 30, etc.
@lgooch
@lgooch 2 жыл бұрын
You should cover the rising factorial, it’s used in the hypergeometric function
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for inspiring me!
@utkarshsharma9563
@utkarshsharma9563 2 жыл бұрын
If there's a superfactorial and a hyperfactorial, does that imply the existence of the maxfactorial? (Pokemon games reference)
@Aristotle000001
@Aristotle000001 2 жыл бұрын
Fullrestorial?
@matematicaefacilver4094
@matematicaefacilver4094 10 ай бұрын
Aqui no Brasil o subfatorial é conhecido como permutação caótica.
@LUISFARIASPINO
@LUISFARIASPINO 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente video que resumen las ideas
@NintendoGamer789
@NintendoGamer789 2 жыл бұрын
I learned about the super factorial right after this year’s Euclid Math Contest because one problem required a proof that involved the product of factorials
@DrWeselcouch
@DrWeselcouch 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know that lim n goes to infinity of !n/n! is 1/e? That's one of my favorite results in all of math!
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 2 жыл бұрын
Its really cool, and its pretty easy to prove.
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
Hi...............
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
Will u make a video on the proof of it?
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 2 жыл бұрын
That mean that the series at 5:56 when n→infinity is 1/e
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 2 жыл бұрын
@@aashsyed1277 u can prove it very easily simply by using the taylor series expansion of e^x, and simply pulg x= -1
@vaibhavcm7503
@vaibhavcm7503 2 жыл бұрын
Hello bprp, small doubt..... Is subfactorial the same as the number of dearrangements??
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@vaibhavcm7503
@vaibhavcm7503 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Thank you.....
@e-to-the-power-x
@e-to-the-power-x 2 жыл бұрын
Every time you raise the level, I get goosebumps!
@anishsarmah3443
@anishsarmah3443 2 жыл бұрын
Really love your videos sir🙂
@deandelvin9924
@deandelvin9924 Жыл бұрын
Do mathematicians secretly hate humanity
@asagiai4965
@asagiai4965 9 күн бұрын
I don't think so hmm. But they may hate each other. Cause they are not equal. Jk
@lemon3rd800
@lemon3rd800 2 жыл бұрын
By trying to calculate the 4! tower (4$), I got back a memory error. However, I was much luckier calculating the 3! tower (3$): 3$=80190511417718642126823324718367187228561124379028767032642984026696527685909099423272280409907130820856664234534252547383919785792220682688124768661305459764363907411429981465891057029933838727501814441806045135620442558743661835589426589946920649349657656706090250821685723480965941188343685690726218140655579217325748445855297737560689439245320090903450689423418447823641842197996266347921612064380092293936942024867447336260960218766156355104115750573964203330671274400021356103878977554933511538319549310099032097779743184906645434985411235166939435035172411964842142967548250148630273650014462188652334799262982699997472433086018965308982853218279479424824047741627463816736228241352680785451432095209668261788939711558466713720132242293745772921448940790740551844434434008906193034676987240057304500131108010023042597053394274584797206497036333055579458255064407007544868240706439176260524117888597747817247043924561435278271887309056381091805867601619602251796096400239298214815262205815810495851883048734986346152273704541907980517682891333798723716799846126881590621405666624030853266332188998637596226214198907834122541927489293463347160133763014502117756168216336158830114627329202977218109579368237166132156567117925020087348139705459145227331715719630342522870498465476785107571053263453494079678567755889095079940187526351199266190216925889027808671629102384349737214723184859355227570333017933339515713795388860158422658813142610052462552561531124468334021552575519317369712398549893299488022466192324266086303869235263681881809144657510051875031162274098866094419279562380208220324102530098886472069111428433617488472272516055190671056469982414848473047070790257893061962649402322109549904795828661722527648687617928767746379721495747519959211141040916111102472432018152460719051167544236405919983233953117838933243887167089427812364370202619892209018498976682851438682521894475191713352835282030493296589384712919392973226219211191288091922284035764198302804401510674264271313400291750479617586815808002065334610106237612814316692500812416262477849331005382194774509783776249392848253693735848749122479363634821386023094809009260807127069703642131601341758921068404932742749189556771687054015933472600318253567596808221091251211711703641198856155255542413502599219243125231124707010703756432040851991341579197236142864356940729178223076963340376298091195126023533546841565469722388179096534865015625515047046570963420216955624280137393078231569773569948982141887926144207971441215537594906005093536952329848039312778015477469720653882057885248129417138963934082124319879328510703466345181658431317850957327034071471765397226881197993545556865982592007997710424004475702357132496494376641281701478783172600043123929627756814940337917468536651352909682412163154933605051724078476404415853009241046889879088290672699116823567675505259508394940589299351448798962932730350799970185840036495181266341124321852431181496056540339690610156603751845458286632667474065265696737473864354691357207202701527065402487087291412527403277767976883461633028962004285545846440493575225314130774394979967937378817702113126306072419455152323267882594983571298483500465825807896703872181789457381955432647872387911051213467617557987023849695828359459524711163550419985869657676704055817908644687127673576453955210839424436840190659827027252321398501932586759740411729952289617418278134765622813326050166959957384064382813113083786831755203742521598218605765840629154362364687711303817838049012975261098818706031083778779921930338153969952829372320637217705971993553150607385902119752440657964303988303972862883646147475106786443197703235867584836077370838721142011678759973762131722424134687500917686363953045267662773093137815945736556948724190193573407163764867877153195367591431100153449614703833275030770886797919827969802690303977026301264215440127629900242728911768560267326235803994874362448037123613763254450430482381895799210777320387010513081228433695682802772932190357949981416457818029991504540768966753037459786011903710783960269984510243360995482400887126305528142426809242291255927388970092499522644826730634353554532290013554216298408936830014398138795251653589037358576904476827007923274508531053478037943367964176441257037590277013740407417782007327008826098874282368889270784570950786912620185328736577519896968757943687578610897754204026914925858221388080673050441824821755725576167340253305804521182043728264128801559756563257488713680680809133701727450964058594763006137824371369361316200344599880051384402035659367496743923603271929776588780455945342609429175333833732087253316702961877934549090835555674032605356077637644879327372936947591318361663596803630395896131225284879988495303929143762967731049100198363156149538755837425424959700972683697853135492946217817764276303379016406744567350241586674650572185257582725886064487676298551839944386144412978961115582326074861396098373880273079980787032483386367357279417962171668621359717512606596304376531440825003611118804365098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If I'm correct, that should be 3!↑↑3!↑↑3!↑↑3!↑↑3!↑↑3!.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
😮
@kaczXX
@kaczXX 2 жыл бұрын
I knew the last digit must be 6 xD btw I think it's too small. Did you evaluate this left to right?
@ThreePointOneFou
@ThreePointOneFou Жыл бұрын
Calculating 3$ should have given you a memory error as well. 3$ is equal to 6^6^6^6^6^6, which, according to the Googoloy Wiki, is greater than 10^10^10^10^36305.
@alexismiller2349
@alexismiller2349 2 жыл бұрын
Neat, I never saw 2 and 5 before, I wonder what they could be used for
@kundananji.simutenda
@kundananji.simutenda 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed and learnt a great deal of calculus, hence far aside from the Algebra ,trigonometry i think there's still less content with regards to probability and statistics hop we expect such content in the near future
@Harkmagic
@Harkmagic 2 жыл бұрын
I never liked any of the arguments for 1 not being prime. Somebody needs to show me what breaks if 1 is prime. As such 1#=1.
@helloitsme7553
@helloitsme7553 2 жыл бұрын
If 1 is prime, then the unique prime factorization of positive numbers larger than 1 isn't true anymore, which is a property you like to have, especially in higher level maths it turns out to be a useful property. For example , if 1 is prime, then 2=2 but also 2*1 but also 2*1*1 etc. So it's not unique
@Harkmagic
@Harkmagic 2 жыл бұрын
@@helloitsme7553 and that breaks what? You're argument is the same as all of the others, a semantics game. You lose nothing by making 1 prime, but you lose a lot of functionality by excluding it. This video literally contains an example of this.
@helloitsme7553
@helloitsme7553 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harkmagic you do lose something, it is unique prime factorization! It is extremely useful in fields like abstract algebra and numbertheory for example. what functionality do you lose by excluding it? It's not a prime by definition: a prime is a positive number divisible by exactly two positive numbers
@Bodyknock
@Bodyknock 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t need to define 1 as a prime. Just define 1# = 1 and you’re done! No need to change the existing definition of prime numbers just to include 1 in the calculations for #. But like others said above, the concept of unique prime factorization of positive integers above 1 is extremely, extremely useful.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harkmagic Even though 1 is not prime, 1# = 1 is still true, because the product of the empty tuple is 1. *I never liked any of the arguments for 1 not being prime.* You may not like the arguments, but unless you can syntactically deconstruct those arguments and demonstrate that they are invalid, you not liking the arguments has 0 implications. *Somebody needs to show me what breaks if 1 is prime.* I am not sure what you are referring to. 1 not being a prime number is not a matter of "breaking" mathematics. It is a matter of definition. The prime numbers have to satisfy a definition in order to be called "prime numbers". 1 does not satisfy that definition in the same way that composite numbers do not satisfy it. So 1 is not a prime number. It is that simple. *and that breaks what?* It breaks the fact that the integers form what is called a "unique factorization domain". Also, having 1 be a prime number is inconsistent with itself: that would make 1 the only prime number, since every number is divisible by 1. *Your argument is the same as all others, a semantics game.* This is an incredibly moot point, since literally EVERYTHING is semantics. You do know that, in order to have a conversation, a set of agreed-upon definitions that are completely arbitrary and not practically supported have to be established, right? Language is built on definitions, and language is everything in the world, not just in mathematics. Your complaint is the equivalent to complaining that we define the English word "house" to refer to a specific type of building that shelters living being, rather than defining it instead to refer to, say, a kind of food. This complaint is a non-argument. The term "prime number" is defined in the way that it is defined, whether you like such a definition, or not. The natural number 1 does not satisfy this definition, so it is not a prime number. If you have an issue with 1 not being a prime number, then what you really have an issue with is the definition of "prime number" as a whole. So the onus is on you to explain, what about the current definition of "prime number" is problematic? Because as I understand it, a better definition for the phrase "prime number" could not exist, and it just so happens that 1 does not satisfy this definition. It causes exactly 0 problems. *You lose nothing by making 1 prime, but you lose a lot of functionality by excluding it.* No, this is just false. There is no functionality lost from defining 1 to be a prime number, and there is much to be lost from arbitrarily changing the definition of "prime number" to include the number 1 arbitrarily, with no other changes, as such a definition would be mostly useless and meaningless, as such a label would no identify a set of numbers that satisfy any particularly important property warranting such a label to begin with. Explain: what number-theoretic or algebraic property is sufficiently important that is satisfied by 1 as well as the prime numbers, and no other numbers? *This video literally contains an example of it.* I literally prefaced my comment by explaining how said "example" is not an example at all.
@diegoalgo1296
@diegoalgo1296 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff
@santiagolicea3814
@santiagolicea3814 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm actually reading a Ken Wilber book and I was about to search something related to his work and this video popped up
@user-uv4ot2zb8w
@user-uv4ot2zb8w 2 жыл бұрын
love the kobe shout out big respect
@anindoadhikary4323
@anindoadhikary4323 2 жыл бұрын
Awsome !!!made my day.
@Petrhrabal
@Petrhrabal 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Where, in which field, are those factorials used? What shall be the math problem, so I would need those super and hyper factorials?
@Tactix_se
@Tactix_se 2 жыл бұрын
CORRECTION: The primorial n# does NOT multiply all the primes
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's correct. The example you've given should be written as p₅# = 2 x 3 x 5 x 7 x 11 = 2310 the product of the first 5 primes. If you write 5# that would be evaluated as 5# = the product of the primes ≤ 5 = 2 x 3 x 5 = 30 Note: p₅# = 12#
@dreamshack2053
@dreamshack2053 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful video
@yorumcuaslan675
@yorumcuaslan675 Жыл бұрын
They're really crazy factorials😱
@etilpoh
@etilpoh Жыл бұрын
My maths profesor always told us about the person that invented the subfactorial, or the left factorial because he is Serbian. The name of the mathematician is Đuro Kurepa ( Ђуро Курепа ), but never took the time to explain what it actually does. I finally remembered by myself and found a video about it, thanks.
@sanjayapaudel6468
@sanjayapaudel6468 2 жыл бұрын
Do a video on difference between antiderivative and integral please
@MOMENTSOFRHYTHM
@MOMENTSOFRHYTHM 2 жыл бұрын
@2:51 The way he stopped while saying, "yeah" and then "I am not gonna do it" ! Bro are you reading my mind?!! xD
@Harshit_Pro
@Harshit_Pro 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I only knew factorial but i didn't knew that there are types of factorial also🤔
@rubededcii2395
@rubededcii2395 10 ай бұрын
I love how much it takes me to notice the pokeball, it gets me in every video, I'm so focused that I just dont notice
@synchro-dentally1965
@synchro-dentally1965 2 жыл бұрын
5:10 "No. Don't be too crazy" 😂
@pepita7053
@pepita7053 11 ай бұрын
Merci,très utile !
@leonilsonnunes3755
@leonilsonnunes3755 2 жыл бұрын
My mind is blowing up of seeing so many factorials.
@user-rc1nl5yf3t
@user-rc1nl5yf3t 11 ай бұрын
Very useful obviously
@CringeBasedDuality
@CringeBasedDuality 2 жыл бұрын
make a video on Collatz Conjecture.
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism
@MiguelSucksAtUrbanism 2 жыл бұрын
The double factorial of wikipedia was so complicated, you e plained it so easily
@ricardotadeuchagas9345
@ricardotadeuchagas9345 2 жыл бұрын
Professor, I would like to know if there is a practical application for one of the cases presented. Perhaps the primorial can be used in number theory.
@twelfthdoc
@twelfthdoc 2 жыл бұрын
Re the question on the Primorial, I would assume that for all integers smaller than 2, the primorial would be defined as 1. This ties into the concept of the null product and null sum, where the null sum is 0 (i.e. adding and subtracting 0 does not change the value) and the null product is 1 (i.e. multiplying and dividing by 1 does not change the value). The null sum and null product are actually really helpful (even if one doesn't know the names), especially when solving equations utliising techniques like completing the square and clearing surds from the denominator of a complex fraction.
@seba8115
@seba8115 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video of exponents? With diferent types
@marcolivgo
@marcolivgo 2 жыл бұрын
Good video! It would be interesting to talk about Fibonacci factorial or fibonorial, too.
@enzoys
@enzoys 11 ай бұрын
I feel like the pickover one is impossible to apply. Like, you'd literally probably only be able to go to number 4, as with 5 you'd have 120 exponents which is just ridiculous
@user-fy5tn7sy3t
@user-fy5tn7sy3t 2 жыл бұрын
Video is interesting and ur same that ... thanks 🌹
@robertmcknightmusic
@robertmcknightmusic 2 жыл бұрын
You: "Here are 7 less common factorials that you probably didn't know..." Me: "What's a factorial?"
@mozvi1436
@mozvi1436 Жыл бұрын
Intersting thing to point out: Sloane's super factorial and the hyper factorial are very similar in pi notation! Let's take the example of sf(4) and H(4). sf(4) = 4!*3!*2!*1! = (4^1)*(3^2)*(2^3)*(1^4) H(4) = (4^4)*(3^3)*(2^2)*(1^1) and more generally, sf(n) is the product from k=1 to n of: k^(n-k+1) Whereas H(n) is the product from k=1 to n of: k^k (I'll try to write it in pi notation like this Π(index; upper bound; expression) ) sf(n) = Π(k=1; n; k^(n-k+1)) H(n) = Π(k=1; n; k^(k)) Neat!
@kenahoo
@kenahoo 2 жыл бұрын
That Exponential Factorial is pretty stylish.
@omaraladib2165
@omaraladib2165 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic ❤
@apuji7555
@apuji7555 2 жыл бұрын
The subfactorial can also be calculated by dividing the factorial by e and rounding it to the nearest whole number
@romansharafutdinov5262
@romansharafutdinov5262 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do Gamma Function, but for all this factorials?
@adrielcasas7757
@adrielcasas7757 2 жыл бұрын
How would you write down sub factorial in Big Pi notation. Is it possible
@akshajvishwanathan7064
@akshajvishwanathan7064 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you I knew all of them😄😂
@12wholepizzas13
@12wholepizzas13 2 жыл бұрын
I like how you ask everyone to try 4 super factorial on the calculators when you know that they won't be able to display the answer
@neonsilver1936
@neonsilver1936 5 ай бұрын
This video made me excited for math! I can see these operations being useful, which they must be because they exist, but still. I could see ME using them, which is awesome.
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