Big same. I remember getting scoffed at by other FF fans whenever I told then 12 was my favorite back in the day. It was kind of exhausting. I am glad the game has gotten better reception as time as gone on for sure though.

@@talemsplash Yeah, what was up with that? I get that the gameplay wasn't exactly the same, but it was obvious it was suppose to be an evolution of the ATB system. It reminded me of FF8 or 10-2 with the difference being you could walk around during combat.

Same here. FF12 was my favorite FF since it came out. Everyone thought I was crazy.

@@talemsplash I agree, my friend didn't like it, but it was because he didn't know how to take advantage of the gambit system. after he learned it, become a rabid fan like me.

Ikr!

The whole"mark hunting" is my favorite part of any final fantasy game leading all the way to the final mark

12 is already a timesless masterpiece ... just like every other game taking place in Ivalice lol ❤

@@akiinmoonlight79 there's something about the atmosphere of the areas you go to. It really is one of my favorite games possibly ever

I don't think you know what underrated means.

@@noyoucantnoicantnowecantsostop back in the day a large portion of FF fans considered 12 to be the worst game in the franchise. That's probably why they're referring to it as underrated

People get annoyed that the game "plays itself" but you can just turn the gambits off. However, why is it a bad thing that your party actually helps you in battle instead of running off doing whatever the heck they want? You can set them up in a way that fits your playstyle, or uses different strategies depending on the boss fight. I'm often switching them around mid-battle. It's such a great tool, and would be useful in other games as you said.

Here here!!!!!

It is a shame that gambit is not in more SE games. It is such a polish system that way ahead of it time.

The gambit is a good feature with this kind of battle system. It distracts from the fact that the battle system no longer sticks to the classic ff turn-based system.

It's so ahead of its time. Really surprised me that they didn't implement it in 7remake and especially 15 since you can't control your partner

no black or white, that’s true

Even they weren't villains. They only thought of themselves as gods because of all their power. But in the end the actions that took place showed that they were not as omnipotent as they thought.

Well, the Occuria were just inhuman forces that thought what they were doing was just and justifiable, but Vayne was undeniably doing everything he did for his own aspirations of power. Ultimately, FFXII is a story about being used. Everyone was being used by someone else, sometimes to each other. But being manipulated into doing something bad doesn’t necessarily exonerate you from doing the bad thing.

@@wohdinhel They perceived their sole purpose to be shepherds of civilization, and that means to either control the strongest power of that civilization by gifting him items to maintain that hold, or to wipe out the top of the civilization if it grew too strong, like with the angels from ff12 revenant wings They probably see the end outcome of an uncontrolled society and civilization as self destructive and result in the deaths of all life and the world.

The Empire were bad. They were the aggressor in power seeking wars and even used WMDs and committed genocide. Bad clear as day

Not my least favorite FF, but I dislike FF12 not because of the battle system or even Vaan (though he sucks), it's because the story just loses steam halfway through. A third of the way in, half your cast is irrelevant, and once you're tasked to going to Archades you're just going on long walks to nowhere in spaces that all look the same but with a different color palette. Had great ideas but implemented poorly.

I love this game largely because of the battle system. I'd love another entry in the series have the real-time battles with gambit system.

Yes! It has been my favorite game since 2008 and nobody liked it. But today there are way more people that like it!

This game was my intro to the series! I went crazy and put 3000 hrs to pass all content

I think 12 is where the combat systems went downhill tbh. Everything before felt like final fantasy, since 12 they diverdged and have been trying to please everyone, instead of the actual die hard fans of the series. They went to hard on the action aspect, every new game getting more and more action-ee, and less final fantasy...ee. Not saying ff12 was action combat, but it was the turning point at the very least.

Alexander O. Smith and company did a great job on the localization. I think it's a top 5 localization too.

@Daniel Long Nope, it's just logical to have different accent in a JRPG with a big world (with different countries, race, culture, etc) like FFXII. It's boring to have always the same USA English accent. It's illogical that this person from this country have the same accent than the other person from not the same country. Dragon Quest XI localization team have done the same thing, and it's so good.

13 done the same thing and it was wonderful being able to debuff the boss and shred through it once you had gotten ready

@@johnnyshins511 i remember 13. one of female character skills has increased % for instant kill per different debuff applied on enemies but its kinda sad that the best part of 13 came so late

@@izzuddinyusof1093 yeah, that was a hidden effect of debuffs is that the more there are on an enemy, the higher likelihood that subsequent ones would succeed. Vanille's Death spell is technically a debuff so...

Just the fact that there is a purpose to the whole green magic section instead of being gimmicky shit you never have reason to use.

Nihopaloa made me smile.

16 seems to be heading that way voice wise

Absolutely phenomenal voice work and translation. The archaic manner of speaking really ups the fantasy vibe. I could listen to Ondore speak all night and day. The various turns of phrase that are utilized are utterly sublime. That feeling is so woefully missing in Final **Fantasy** games - or fantasy adventures in general - these days.

One of the reason I got really into to this game! It's so immersive because of that degree of attention to detail that every region have an accent. That's why I see XIII and XV voice acting so behind. XII best final fantasy ever.

Na that'd be mgs

I hit 600 on my ps2 cause I explored every single square inch lol

What do you do to hit that many hours lol? I got all weapons and items in the game, all level 99, all quests and bosses, everything but shy of getting the quickening trophy because I suck at it and still only hit

2 years of playtime... I've never played any RPG for that long...

I'm not sure how much bvb time i put into this.....a lot. A whole lot. Then zodiac age for the switch i just had fun with and didn't try to 100 percent.

@@MrRandomGuy1231 Do all of that without a guide. The ps2 version never had the speed up function, which made playtime significantly longer

The Victorianesque localization is the seasoning that truly finishes the fine dining that is Ivalice

I hope final fantasy 16 have a similar setting

@@ademasdanjuro I think one of the nations in Ivalice is mentioned by name Could be just a Easter egg though Most likely will be it's own world and fan opinion is rather divided on the matter

@@ilikestuff9250 Yeah, Clive is from Rossaria which was mentioned in XII. It likely means nothing, though.

@@Dzzy123 Oh well I mean 14's director is on board and he's worked with Matsuno before. As long as he remains on board I have some faith from 16 Regardless of the games final quality it'll at the bare minimum have incredible music

Agreeed! Compared to 15's open world which just felt stale and boring to me imo. Perhaps the setting was too modern or not enough going on in the environments or perhaps 12 just spoiled us

I agree that the world of ff12 feels alive too. It just has many distinctive cultures and designs in different areas and of races with lores and stuff that give them existential depths. The wild monsters areas also have a sort of ecosystem feels if you know what I mean. I still remember seeing a high level dinosaur chasing a wolf or something in the first desert area and I was like omg I gotta avoid that dinosaur. Then there are many special marks unique monsters and the variety is great too. I've always thought FF12 is kind of underrated compared to other FF. My only problem with it was only the story and the personality of the main cast, the story is just not interesting or emotionally impactful/resonant enough for me, whereas other than Balthier the cast is either solemn mature stressed (Ashe Basch Fran) or playful carefree irrelevant (Vaan Panelo). I hope there'll be a new Ivalice main FF series game with improvements on the aspects of story and characters, but keep the depth of world settings and lores, and the dialogue design/direction and voice acting style. The dialogues and VA are very impressive although it can be difficult for me to understand sometime because English is not my first language but it gives a fuller immersive "Old English" experience, if you get what I'm saying.

its awesome. climbed high on my list, and on top 10 games ever.

Hopefully you tried to complete all the side quests (including espers) and getting the rare/ultimate items/equips. It's so much fun and so much lore to dive into. Ivalice FF games are always has a wide and deep lore in them.

@@plipplop728 Admittedly I didn't nab all the espers or sidequests because I'm a busy guy (and also have a lineup of games to play), but I did as much side content as I could throughout the game!

@@decaf9150 yeah, it's a pretty long game, I managed to 100% the game last year when the lockdown happened, and damn it was worth every minute of it, especially Gilgamesh, Yiazmat quests and Zodiark and Ultima espers.

@@plipplop728 love the game but completing the almanic is such a bitch, i rembember hours and hours of scrolling through the wiki finding that one passive bunny i didn't kill lol

Hell yeah

Well, XII-2 was released on the DS for some reason and was quite a radical change from the original... They would have to do like FF7 and flat out remake the game.

Multiplayer's all the rage these days. I say remaster XII, add co-op options, and at least put a warning sign in front of that accursed chest.

Unfortunately the SE gave up on supporting visionaries like Yasumi Matsuno. FFXII himself suffered because of the stupidity of that company at the time, which ended with his leaving in the middle of the project. Another giant that was thrown out was Tetsuya Takahashi (creator of the Xeno games) who could have created exceptional games with the support and experience of that team. High-level arrogance nearly wiped out this company at the time.

@@AlexanderPR2 well we got Yoshi-P he’s been hanging out with Yasumi these days so who’s knows what the future holds

Same

Same I really don't understand why it got so much hate

I only beat it for the first time last year. It’s better than I remembered when it first came out, but certainly not my favorite. Also certainly not the worst lands right in the middle for me 😂

Amazing world, depth to the characters and good story, this one is in my top 5

My favourite along with ff9!

hulabaloo...that's a good word

best storie really you thought the storie was good

XIII trilogy looks great still doesnt really need a remaster its still new enough. I don't even like the games but they still look amazing. I think it would be cool if they remake the rest of the psx games or try making more new main line series or sequels like X-3.

@@joshpaw9606 What it needs just needs to be played on Ps4. A re-release will be helpful, a remaster will only be the first one if anything.

@@joshpaw9606 A remaster of the XIII trilogy would be great for fixing some of the issues the first game had. Square could allow us to pick our party leads from the start, no longer have game overs whenever the lead dies in battle, allow for changing the player lead mid-battle; and they could even add a 'wait' feature for those who really crave traditional ATB. They could essentially re-balance XIII. Maybe they could even add a hard mode where your party members could be staggered by enemies if you're not careful.

13 nearly killed the franchise

@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 People say it was 13, but I remember it was divided, not all agreed it was trash. 12 was at first called trash, then became a cult classic. Hell people still think Nomura wrote FFXIII, and he never did. He was just the character designer.

I can relate to this so much 😂

Same. I couldn't wrap my head around it and just played without them. Now I feel like a fool for ignoring them; they'd made the game so much fun and simpler.

Shudder... I remember that weapon.

yea it was hunting down the trophy rare game for me, on ps2 i just remember oh yay thanks for these underleveled weapons game lol (fourtunatly it was changed in zodiac)

Ah yes...I just wanted the belt. "PTSD"

Okay so just in case you’re still stuck blind and berserk them then use ice magic that’ll stop them from using curse. Also you can zone out to heal then go back in

@@burntgrahamcracker2866 i just brute forced three ribbons, lvl 99 and amazing weapons and it does work (i needed that damn beastiary entry ahahaha)

@@thomasmartin1514 ah well I was at level 40ish and didn’t have any ribbons so I had to stick with the above. Still had to use a lot of Phoenix downs

Yiazmat is in the Pharos. Archaeoaevis is in the Zertinan Caverns. How did you run into them after Yiazmat?

It was great Perfect middle ground between the hack and slash style and Turn based battle system

Would have been better if Japan didn't have their teenage femboy fetish and made Basch the main protagonist.

@@ilikestuff9250 Wasn't really a hack n slash, I'd say you're describing 13-3.

@@wiseguy240Winston I said its the middle ground You can still move in combat But attacks are based on a turn system which depends on the atb gauge

A game like FFXII was ahead of its time , one of the best FF games made !!

1000 times this. There's only one glaring flaw in this game and its the shoehorned in white-Aladdin who really has nothing to do with anything going on in the game on any real, meaningful level.

Can't agree more. Not making Basch the lead, I can agree with as he's rather aged and quite serious, Balthier was basically the perfect lead. His connection to the story, coupled with his charm and personality, made him the best character in my opinion.

@@Neverfate You're insulting Aladdin by comparing him to Vaan. Vaan has only his Ivalice-style cosplay, AND NOTHING ELSE! He's basically the underage party member of the group like Relm, Yuffie, Selphie etc, except he has nothing to redeem himself.

@@AbRas644 Balthier, is the leading man xD. But really, making vaan the main character makes sense, besides he lack of charisma, his story is the one wich link the stories of the other characters Ps: Balthier is my favorite

Vaan was never the main character, FF12 has an ensemble cast but the story is told through Vaan's perspective since he's pretty much as clueless to what's going on in the world as the players are in the beginning. Plus he played an important role in Ashe's character development.

Same here!

not until you killed Yiazmat

@@feinchan Yiazmat, Omega, and collected ALL the espers (those Zodiark and Ultima battles, hmm yummy).

THANK YOU You get my feelings

It is leagues above Final Cringe X. It´s like comparing one of the better Scorceses with one of the weaker Marvel films.

other than the two cardboard cutout characters (Vaan and Penelo) the other characters are just so entertaining especially the leading man

the gambit system is underrated

@@ademasdanjuro definitely!!

Love the gameplay, disappointed with the story

I always thought a remake of the original Final Fantasy but in the style of FF12 would be a great concept.

Exactly!!

Same Here :) Even on the ps2 to feel the difference, its waaaay harder, no free gil or lp through the trial Mode

@@oswald42069 I feel ya this game is so underrated surprisingly compared to other FF.

FF12, KH2, and Okami all came out around the same time and were probably the 3 best looking titles on the console, right as the generation was ending.

@@kingofthesharks At that point, they really knew how to handle the graphics. Each of those three games chose an art style that just stole the show and worked perfectly on the system.

MGS 3 looks way better

*Grandia 3 would like word with you....

@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 oh boy Snake Eater is still *cheff kiss*

Yup! Look up the Ogre Battle series, they make a lot of queen references in the titles.

Matsuno loves to drop references to Queen in anything he works on

8 is better than both of them story wise and summon wise no question ask and i like turnbased gameplay more

are you planning on getting platinium? If so get ready for the rare game grind haahhaha

@@thomasmartin1514 The new fast forward options are a life saver

Ugh, same, especially since english isn't my mother tongue.. That's why I bought The Zodiac Age on PC, and goddamn I fell in love with the lore/story/politics of this game.

being able to actually sit through the narrator sequences was just a blessing (i was 8 when i played on ps2)

I was obsessed with poaching rare games to strengthen my weapons

Which is your first language?

@@La-hora-del-terror it’s Malaysian language actually lol

@@lolaz.3485 actually i had a similar story. When i was 11 years old my older brother download Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories for the PS2 (that game doesn't came to Europe until 2013 and it was 2012 and i didn't know about the 1.5 HD Remix). The thing is that game it was in English not in Spanish (my first language). I learned English because of that game, yes, maybe i have a lot of mistakes but i'm proud of myself because of what i did almost 9 years ago (and that happens too when i played Final Fantasy II PSP Anniversary a few years later)

@@La-hora-del-terror Hey it’s fine to make mistakes after all. It seems like we both found our ways to learn a foreign language through games. I think it’s quite an experience because a child me may not be able to make a good decision or whatsoever but now after they released zodiac age, it’s kinda refreshing knowing that I can finally understand what’s going on in any of the games. What’s more that my mother tongue language never made it to options to change any languages, so yeah gaming can be quite an obstacle for people like me ;)

@@lolaz.3485 the best part is both games are from Square Enix. Well some games like Kingdom Hearts 3D for the 3DS was in English on my country (i don't know why). I thought the games in your country at least are translated, it looks like if you aren't Japanese or American/Canadian you can't enjoy at 100% the videogames.

I literally finished a playthrough on my old ps2, then my dad bought me the game on PS4 and then i proceded to finish the game 100%....again

Right, that’s why I fear it won’t be that good. We’ll just have to wait and see.

@@zeitlichkeit5094 square used to put out 1 ff every 2 years and they were all mostly great

Wasn't the original Nier the young one anyway? I think the old Nier was designed for the Western audience.