What NASCAR drivers do you think deserve more recognition?

I think Greg Biffle should be recognized more. Mainly because even though he never really won a Cup Series championship, but from 2003 to 2013, he racked up 19 wins and stayed consistent during that time. Even though his final year in 2016 was awful, he still came back in 2019 and won in the Truck Series in that one-off event at Texas.

Kasey Kahne is my pick, he was ever like elite elite, but man could drive pretty much anything and was pretty consistent

Ricky Rudd he had 23 career wins but consistently in the top 5 and 10 in points most of his carrier, most races ran in a riw and raced with his eyes duct taped open after injury,

Bobby Labonte was a driver who wasn’t flashy by any means. He had some of the best equipment and consistently ran up front with JGR throughout the 90’s and early 2000’s. A solid driver. As for Sterling Marlin He was a championship level threat with Ganassi in 2002 before his injury derailed it. Yeah he occasionally ran well after but he wasn’t the same.

I haven't even watched this video (yet) but I surely hope Greg Biffle is listed. That man is the definition of underrated that was overshadowed by his loyalty to Roush. He sank with the ship.

Terry Labonte was one of the first drivers that got me into the sport. I remember collecting those little diecast cars of his whenever I would have Frosted Flakes in the morning!

I really think Tim Richmond doesn’t get enough recognition. Had he lived longer no doubt he would’ve won a championship. He was the only one who at the time could go head to head with Earnhardt

Sterling Marlin is someone that I’m surprised is forgotten. A back-to-back Daytona 500 champion shouldn’t be that underrated but The Silver Bullet is. Really is a shame.

Jamie Mac is definitely that guy for me. While he never racked up the wins, he took some cars that were upper mid pack to the lead and was always up there with the likes of Jimmy Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Kyle Busch, and Matt Kenseth.

I'm surprised that the Labonte brothers isn't recognized as much like other drivers. I do admit though that when I think of Terry Labonte, I think about that Bristol night race back in the day. When I think of Bobby Labonte, I remember him being the driver of the #18 before Busch came along.

Bobby Labonte is literally the reason I started to watch NASCAR, my favorite driver of all time, he really does deserve a lot more recognition

Neil Castles is another name that comes to mind for me. Having almost 200 top 10s and almost 500 starts was phenomenal, considering he came from an era where names like Petty, Allison, Isaac, and Pearson ruled. Even though he never got the win, he was always up towards the front.

I'll never forget Terry Labonte. He was my favorite driver when I was little. Then Jr. came along. I had a bunch of #5 stuff growing up.

Mark Martin is not even close to underrated, but SlapShoes said it best about him, "Mark Martin had the unfortunate reality of being a great driver surrounded by the greatest drivers." As for who I think is actually underrated, Michael McDowell has been showing why I've been silently cheering him on in the last couple of years. Sure, it can be argued that for all its majesty, anyone can win the Daytona 500. But even after that one, he was very consistent that season with Top 10s very often. I'm hoping he can bring that back again.

Harry Gant. Didn't race in Winston until his mid-30's or full-time until 40ish, six top five points finishes in just twelve seasons racing every race, oldest driver to win a Cup race @ 52, exceeded in lesser funded equipment, hardly ever crashed himself out, four seasons with over 1K laps led, won nearly one in five Grand National / Busch races, the original "Mr. September." Not NASCAR-related, but he won an IROC championship and was arguably the best short track driver ever w/ HUNDREDS of track wins all over the U.S. One of NASCAR's greatest drivers all-time that's barely in anyone's greatest NASCAR drivers all-time.

I always remember Sterling Marlin as being great just because growing up, whenever I would play Dirt to Daytona on the GameCube, the Sterling Marlin Silver Bullet was always up front! (I never played as him)

One driver that deserves recognition is Ricky Rudd. Even though he never won a title, he did win a number of races including the Brickyard 400 & what makes that win remarkable is the fact that he won that race with his own team. He is one of the last owner-drivers to win in NASCAR. Now when it comes to other series, one driver that deserves recognition is Gil de Ferran as he is one of a handful of drivers to have won in both CART & the IRL as the peak of his career came during "The Split" & he won the 2003 Indy 500. He also set the fastest ever speed at a closed track (which still stands today) across all series in 2000 at Auto Club Speedway when he went 241.4 mph.

Hylton certainly deserves way more kudos than he gets. He actually holds the record for most weeks leading the point standings of any non-champion. 49 total if memory serves. In his prime, he was absolutely one of the most consistent drivers ever. After 300 starts, he had 224 top tens! That's the highest of any driver at that point in their career. His top ten percentage was almost equal to Lee Petty's by '71-'72. If he'd ever been in half-decent equipment, he'd be easily winning as much as say, Benny Parsons.

Ryan Newman should be more recognized as well. Really solid early career, he was always in Championship talks until the Roush trainwreck and his performance decay as a driver. He was also very consistent during the middle part of his career, and notably tough to pass.

Michael Waltrip should definitely be on this list, had 2 Daytona 500 victories but it's like something always overshadowed his accomplishments, and the thing he's remembered by is the whole Spingate incident and getting the biggest fine in Nascar history at the time

Benny Parsons, it's getting to the point where new fans, like with Ned Jarret, only know him from his great TV career. Very few fans who listened to him probably didn't know or don't know that BP won the 73 Cup Champion, won 2 ACAR championship, and the 75 Daytona 500.

Terry Labonte was the man... He became my favorite driver because he was number 5 when i was 5 years old (1995). My life was CONSUMED by Terry... if he had a bad race, i had a bad week... if he won, i was on cloud 9!! and he was really good from '95-'99. The Winston and the texas race in 1999 were just epic! 9 year old me couldnt contain... but the it was 3 or 4 terribly rough years. i cried at times bc i was so sad for him...but then the 2003 southern 500 came...and it was just magical. I cried out of pure joy. ill never forget that moment. i was 13 years old, and crying on my floor out of pure joy. HA. the things racing used to bring me!! Just goes to show, that having a favorite driver means much more than just liking racing in general.

RIP James Hylton 1934-2018

There's so many others I can think of. Fred Lorenzon, Pete Hamilton, Bobby Issac, Geoff and Todd Bodine, Dave Marcis, Benny Parsons, Biffle, Rudd, Joe Weatherly, Harry Gant, Jerry Nadeau, Donnie Allison, Red Byron, Ernie Irvin, Morgan Shepherd, and Neil Bonnet all i could think of. In sure there's more too.

Not sure if I am proud of or disappointed that Dale Jarrett and Ricky Rudd didn’t make this list. DJ ofc a HOF champ and broadcaster, Rudd an iron man just on the outside looking in of greatness. Might be biased, I loved Robert Yates racing growing up.

That was a cool little nugget about James Hylton! You're right at first I was like who??? But after explanation I totally agree he was definitely deserving. But as far as guys who didn't get the recognition they deserve... I think you nailed everyone I would have put on the list. Loved Bobby Lobonte! But maybe Greg Biffle and Carl Edwards? Biff was Championship caliber for several years and has both a Truck and Busch (xfin) Championship as well. Carl Edwards should have been a Champion in a lot of people eyes and was worthy of at least 1 but that's a different story! Jeff Gordon fans (as I am) will probably relate...

Geoff Bodine, Jeff Burton, Ricky Rudd, Ryan Newman, Greg Biffle, Ward Burton, Ernie Irvan, John Andretti, Jeremy Mayfield, Kahne, Carl Edwards, McMurray, etc are a few that come to mind.

My last pick of the retired guys has to be Pete Hamilton. Driving for Petty Enterprises in the 70s, he’s most known for winning the 1970 Daytona 500, but he had 33 top 10s in just 64 starts. The guy was nuts and the side by side photo of him and Petty at Daytona is one of my favorite pictures of all time.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels Front Row Joe Nemechek gets overlooked. His Cup career wasn't fantastic, but he did spend a lot his career drivng for average teams. His Xfinity career, however, was really good. 126 top 10 finishes isn't to bad. Roughly a quarter of his starts, with almost all of those starts coming in a NEMCO Motorsports car. James Harvey Hylton deserves way more recognition as well. At least the ARCA broadcasts always made a note to mention James, even still today with Brad Smith running his 48 car. Off topic, but it applies to two guys mentioned, Bobby Labonte and Sterling Marlin both deserved better send-offs than what they got. At least Terry got the special tribute scheme at Talladega in his final race, even though NASCAR had to be such butts about the car.

Ricky Rudd. I always feel like he only gets recognized as a good driver, I think he belongs in conversation with the GOATs

Damn that Interstate Batteries Pontiac looked good.

Love Sterlin Marlin and the Silver Bullet, even if his wins came sparingly. Wish he could’ve caught better luck with the whole neck injury situation.

Bobby Labonte is my favorite driver of all time thanks to my dad. I always loved seeing him drive no matter where he was in the pack. Was never flashy, kept his nose clean, and took the racing seriously.

Davey Allison he won almost 20 races in alittle over 5 seasons won the Daytona 500 and the winston

Geoff Bodine was a part of the inspiration for Days of Thunder along with Tim Richmond, and was one of the best-modified drivers. Also saved Hendrick Motorsports.

I think if Sterling Marlin doesn’t have the two crashes at Richmond and Kansas and getting injured he would’ve won the 2002 Winston Cup, and probably gotten 4-6 more wins, maybe more

I think Randy Lajoie deserves more recognition, he totally dominated the 2 years he won the Busch championship but couldn't ever get a break in Cup. Also Dick Trickle is one of those guys that if given better opportunities earlier in his career, could've dominated the field. Just my 2 cents. Great content as always brother.

To me Sterling Marlin will always be remembered for his "bonehead move" as Benny Parsons called it, trying to pull out his fender under red flag conditions at Daytona.

To add on to James Hylton, he still holds the record for the highest finishing position by a rookie over a season in NASCAR history in that 1966 season (Note: NASCAR didn't start rookie of the year honors until 1954). That alone is an impressive feat, and I'm kinda surprised NASCAR didn't really push the potential narrative when Cindric won the Daytona 500 last year. Since of course now they're able to finish higher in the standings than they may deserve to be

Sterling Marlin was not outperformed by Casey Mears, in the 107 races both drivers ran against each other driving for Ganassi, Sterling had 5 more top 10’s and an average finish of 21.5 vs. Casey’s 24.2

I could go and name guys I've seen in the comments like Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, or Jamie Mac. But I name some of the really old champions of the sport. Red Byron Bill Rexford Herb Thomas Tim Flock Rex White Joe Weatherly Benny Parsons And Bobby Isaac are all guys that come to mind to me, wish some of them got the recognition they deserve.

Jason Leffler. He was one of the most consistent drivers in Xfinity during an era where Cup guys ran for championships

Man. When I think of / count championships for stats and stuff I only count terrys 1 championship bc he had the one for Hendrick so I forgot he even won that first one lol

Tim Richmond and Ernie Irvan were two of the most talented drivers ever, but with such short careers. I rarely hear about them.

As a 22 year old I can confirm that growing up in the 2000s early 2010s Nemecheck was to any kid watching the guy out after 5 laps

Bobby and Tony in the Joe Gibbs machines were my childhood beacons. Edit: Moving to the Chevy was great for Tony, and bad for Bobby.

How can you not be flashy with a bright green Pontiac? Labonti is the first die cast I ever bought.

I always wondered what would have happened if Bobby Labonte stayed at Joe Gibbs Racing. Would he have ever won another race. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I couldn't see a reason why he would have moved to Petty Enterprises considering that Joe Gibbs has just won the championship with Tony Stewart in 2005.

Past drivers I've been a fan of : Dale Earnhart/Bobby La Bonte/Ricky Rudd/Matt Kenseth/Dale Jr/ Jimmy Spencer/ JJ/ JEFF G/Ward Burton/ Elliot Sadler; from an "OG nascar fan". Greg Biffle for that finish with Ricky Craven. PS: Ryan Newman & Carl Edwards. Met Joe Nemechek in Kingman Arizona. Sweet guy

Michael Waltrip and Greg Biffle should of definitely been on this list

If RFK never become an elite organization I can see this happening to Brad Keselowski. You can already argue right now he's overlooked compared to the other active champions of the sport. He won his championship over 10 years ago in 2012 making him the driver whose been a champion for the longest time of all the current full time drivers. Many who are new to the sport didn't see Brad Keselowski win that championship. Now he's being overshadowed by his former teammate Joey Logano who has two championships within the last five years.

Herb Thomas still has the best win percentage. He drove hudson hornets which was also cool

If we weren't limited to cup series I think its Josh Berry. Recently coming on to the Xfinity scene as one of the biggest competitors at short tracks and a championship 4 competitor already in the few years he has been on the scene, damn. I would take no surprise saying that he is a future cup competitor when he gets the experience.

I remember Joe Nemechek's 87 Cellular One cars being very consistent in the early 2000's especially at Daytona and Talladega

Bobby Labonte was my favorite driver as a kid mainly for that beautiful interstate batteries scheme as that shade of green is my favorite. My dads guy was earnhardt, my brothers was gordon, mine was Bobby. God I miss those days crowded around a small projection tv on sundays with the fam. Nothing better than 90s NASCAR.

Harry Gant for me.

You are spot on. But! I'm old and love all the drivers you mentioned lol. Especially Terry. I went as him for Halloween one year

I like this list! Greg Biffle as well should be here.

Dick Trickle...#1) Just for his name and #2) Last known driver allowed to smoke in his car during a race. Legend

Ernie Irving as well I totally forgot he was a total badass and a good driver when he wasn't being absolutely over aggressive in his early career

Terry is hardly ever talked about these days and it's criminal

I feel DJ Dale Jarrett is also forgotten. I won't lie his 2000 daytona 500 is one I absolutely want to forget for being a snoozefest but man was he always fast in the 90s and early 2000s

That almost felt like shade thrown at my two favorites growing up, putting both of the Labonte Brothers on here

I feel like your either too young or the people you generally talk NASCAR with are just young. I say this because I feel like all these guys are beloved. I mean any documentary worth a wet fart has all these guys in them as legends. I remember them as legends and men that I loved to watch compete against Sr then Happy. I'm 37 so it's not like I'm ancient but I and all my buddies love and Def appreciate all these guys. If you don't then your way young and don't know enough about this sports history.

David Pearson definitely belongs on this list

I have an all-time NASCAR ranking system. Bobby Labonte ranks 45th on that system, Terry Labonte is in 14th, Ned Jarrett's in 50th, Sterling Marlin is as high as 29th, Kyle Petty has 48th spot, Joe Nemechek is in 118th (though he's number one in the Xfinity/Busch series rankings), and James Hylton is in 38th.

I grew up a Terry Labonte fan and seeing him getting recognized is awesome

I think your pics are spot on really good pics I have a question are you a Canadian Iceberg makes me think of Canada and your theme song is by a Canadian artist that I'm sure is not very well known in the US just a thought

I know he's recently been inducted into the NASCAR Hall of Fame, but I still get the impression that Matt Kenseth doesn't get the respect he deserves. The Wisconsinite assured his place in history by securing the final championship of the Winston Cup era, 2003. Does it matter that he only recorded 1 win, 11 top 5's and 25 top 10's? It shouldn't matter, because it didn't matter so much how many races a driver won in a season, as long as they finished as far up as they could when they didn't win. Yes, Ryan Newman recorded 8 wins in 2003, but when a driver finishes 6th in the standings despite those wins, it's an indication of wild inconsistency, costing him points. He has more wins in his career than the likes of Dale Earnhardt Junior and Terry Labonte, he twice won the Daytona 500 (2009 and 2012) and was involved in the iconic moment in 2015 "Kenseth, cleared by Lagano? Maybe NO! KENSETH TAKES HIM OUT!! Lagano into the wall. Caution comes out and the crowd roars." Yes, after his final win, at Phoenix in 2017, he never competed towards the front again, but the fact that he was called back from retirement, twice, to fill in for drivers fired by other teams (Trevor Bayne at Roush and Kyle Larson at CGR in 2020) showed that that there was at least some potential in him left at the time left was forced out of JGR. Sure the latter stint with CGR wasn't good, but given that he hadn't driven a Cup car for some time and was thrown in at the deep end, he still did okay in the circumstances

I had the privilege of helping pushing Hylton's Arca car to the grid on his final dirt start. That man was an honest cat, such a shame we lost him and his son early. I think with Kyle Petty, people ended up seeing him as riding his dad's coat tails when in reality his latter career is pretty much just fighting for the last scraps at the table. When he was at Wood Bros and latter Sabco, that's where the true Kyle Petty can be seen. He wasn't helped when the wheels fell of SABCO in 95, despite still getting a win. That organization would be stuck mired near 30th in points til Ganassi took it over. He went from that to making his own team, trendy and flawed as it was in the 90s. Only to fall from that back to Petty Enterprises to try and get that team ready for his son. No, Kyle isn't Darrell Waltrip or Bill Elliot, they couldn't jumpstart their own teams either. But you gotta put him on the level of any other driver who can get exactly the finish of their equipment.

Another thing about Terry Labonte is that he was a good road course racer Didn't win as many road course races as Gordon or Chase but won a couple and had good finishes in a few more

Morgan Shepherd is an obvious choice. Has 4 career cup victory's and raced competitively into his mid 70's in the Xfinity series.

Bobby Labonte is in the NASCAR HoF, I think he's been recognized fine.

Ricky Rudd for sure, Had a solid career with 23 wins and 374 top 10`s. Won at least 1 race over 16 season in a row,, and was one of the only successful owner/drivers in the late 90`s. Named one of NASCARS 50 Greatest Drivers

I got three suggestions. 1. Regan Smith - Made the Best Use of Back-Marker/Mid-Pack Equipment. Sprint Cup/Monster Energy Cup Stats: In 224 Starts, Smith has 1 Win, 4 Top 5s, 14 Top 10s, 0 Poles, Led 64 Laps, 76 Lead Lap Finishes, 23 DNFs, 3 DNQs, 4 WDs (Withdrawals), An Average Start of 23.9, An Average Finish of 24.9, and a Best Points Finish of 24th (2012). Nationwide/Xfinity Stats: In 208 Starts, Smith has 6 Wins, 30 Top 5s, 79 Top 10s, 1 Poles, Led 638 Laps, 121 Lead Lap Finishes, 26 DNFs, 2 DNQs, An Average Start of 15.9, An Average Finish of 17.4, and a Best Points Finish of 2nd (2014). Craftsman/Camping World Stats: In 36 Starts, Smith has 0 Wins, 1 Top 5, 7 Top 10s, 18 Top 15s, 21 Top 20s, 0 Poles, Led 4 Laps, 17 Lead Lap Finishes, 12 DNFs, 1 DNQ, An Average Start of 18.5, An Average Finish of 19.5, and a Best Points Finish of 18th (2017). 2. Mark Martin - The Greatest Driver to Never Win a Championship, but Never Gave Up. Winston Cup/Nextel Cup/Sprint Cup Stats: In 882 Starts, Martin has 40 Wins, 271 Top 5s, 453 Top 10s, 56 Poles, Led 12879 Laps, 558 Lead Lap Finishes, 121 DNFs, 2 DNQs, 1 WD, An Average Start of 12.1, An Average Finish of 13.9, and a Best Points Finish of 2nd (5 Times - 1990, 1994, 1998, 2002, and 2009). Busch/Nationwide Stats: In 236 Starts, Martin has 49 Wins (2nd on All-Time Wins List), 112 Top 5s, 152 Top 10s, 30 Poles, Led 8137 Laps, 147 Lead Lap Finishes, 61 DNFs, 6 DNQs, 1 WD, An Average Start of 9.9, An Average Finish of 12.3, and a Best Points Finish of 8th (1987). Craftsman/Camping World Stats: In 25 Starts, Martin has 7 Wins, 16 Top 5s, 20 Top 10s, 3 Poles, Led 863 Laps, 23 Lead Lap Finishes, 2 DNFs, An Average Start of 7.0, An Average Finish of 7.4, and a Best Points Finish of 19th (2006). 3. Trevor Bayne - A Young Up-and-Coming Star That Didn't Make It As Far As He Wanted To, but Tried So Hard to Do So. Sprint Cup/Monster Energy Cup Stats: In 187 Starts, Bayne has 1 Win, 5 Top 5s, 16 Top 10s, 0 Poles, Led 71 Laps, 80 Lead Lap Finishes, 28 DNFs, 1 DNQs, An Average Start of 22.0, An Average Finish of 23.3, and a Best Points Finish of 22nd (Twice - 2016 and 2017). Nationwide/Xfinity Stats: In 162 Starts, Bayne has 2 Wins, 30 Top 5s, 80 Top 10s, 9 Poles, 120 Lead Lap Finishes, 16 DNFs, An Average Start of 10.3, An Average Finish of 13.2, and a Best Points Finish of 6th (Twice - 2013 and 2014). Gander RV and Outdoors Stats: In 8 Starts, Bayne has 0 Wins, 1 Top 5, 2 Top 10s, Led 0 Laps, 5 Lead Lap Finishes, 2 DNFs, An Average Start of 19.5, An Average Finish of 20.3, and a Best Points Finish of 35th (2020).

As time gos on we forget the ok drivers then in more time we forget the good drivers and after decades we only remember the goats and the real real bad drivers. We remimber extremes.

I think David Gilliland deserved better. You have to wonder how different his career would be if he had gotten to Yates a few years earlier, or if he taken a Busch series ride with Childress or Roush . Ricky Rudd said that David was as good as anybody he’d ever had as a teammate which is saying something, because Ricky Rudd was teammates with some of the best drivers.

Geoff Bodine, he belongs in the hall of fame

I've been a bit of a nascar history buff since I was 12 back in 2002. All drivers on this list are great.

1. Wendell Scott 2. Ralph Earnhardt 3. Robert Pressley 4. Jack Ingram 5. Tommy Houston 6. Randy Lajoie 7. Mike Skinner

Thanks for give Joe Nemcheck some love.

Jamie Mac my fav underdog

Maybe Ted Musgrave and Dave Blaney. Did all but win Cup races. Musgrave got screwed out of his Roush ride and replaced by Kevin Lepage (downgrade) but finally found a home in the truck series.

MATTT KENSETH HHHH

Bobby Labonte was my first favorite, then Kasey Kahne.

The list is long! Harry Gant, Jeff Burton, Lennie Pond, Benny Parsons, Ricky Rudd, Jamie McMurray, Donnie Allison , Neil Bonnet, Buddy Baker, Bobby Hamilton, Ken Schrader, Morgan Shepherd, Geoff Bodine, Greg Biffle, even Matt Kenseth and Carl Edwards don't get the recognition they deserve

Dick Hutcherson would be a guy I would look at. His numbers were incredible for a short career.

Morgan Sheppard should get more recognition in my opinion. During his days with the Wood Brothers he was really consistent getting top 5 and top 10 points finishes without making a whole lot of noise.

Bobby labonte is still my favorite driver and he had the nicest looking car in nascar history.

I remember Boris Said being a huge personality in the early 2000's

Honestly a lot of people forget front row joe put his 87 in a lot of starting positions it frankly shouldn't have been late in his career

Kasey Kahne. He won some big races and won in all three series. In the truck series he won 5 out of the total 6 races he ran and finished 2nd in the only one he didn't win. The teams he drove for until Hendrick were in turmoil most of the time and a lot of the time in financial turmoil. He was always the low key, quiet guy and not controversial,

I think the main reason the lack of performance from 2003 to 2005 was because Gibbs switched from Pontiac to Chevy, which was a major mistake, had they not switched, they'd probably done better and most likely Pontiac would've never left nascar and Pontiac would've stayed in business

Audience: "What?? [Driver Name] didn't make the list??" [Proceeds to not show reasoning]

Bobby Isaac: EXISTS The Iceberg: "?!"

Marcos Ambrose and Mario Andretti are the only two drivers in NASCAR history who weren't born in the Americas to win a NASCAR race at any level (excluding EuroNascar, Nascar Mexio, etc)

I agree with most of your points with ever driver, except for Dale Jr. he was determined to be his own man, never tried to compare himself to Sr. The Fans loved him more because of this and the fact that he was Dale Jr. Most of the drivers you mentioned and a lot that you didn't, with the exception of Mark Martin, just stayed in the sport to long, even the great Darrell Waltrip became a back of the track driver. But to be truthful all of the drivers that started from the ground and built and raced their own race cars Like Ken Schrader, Rusty Wallas, Lake Speed. These types of men are the ones that don't get the deserved recognition. And there are a bunch of them. With this said I would like to give a shout out for the Stapelton 42 KZfaq channel. He has in my opinion the best of all channel for the OG Nascar Fans, because he rubs elbows and does a tremendous job covering these guys and the way it was when Nascar was so Great. Nascar is still good today, with some truly good drivers but will never be great again

While I appreciate your acknowledgement of James Hylton, I would’ve chosen Dave Marcis, who, I believe, belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Harry Gant, Ricky Rudd, Dale Jarrett, Ernie Irvan