Lol.

She gained a scooch of weight, check out recent clips of Richard Dean Anderson.

"Why does Janeway have a Russian accent? First she was French-Canadian, then American, now Russian? What's her name this time, Катeрина Джейнвей?"

@@johnmoldoch1057 Anderson retired from acting because of health issues, so he can't be looking that great.

WTF is this orange is black bullshit all about anyways? My woman tried to get me to sit through that too.

They weren’t married until after the series ended

Lucille loved leonards laff & whole attitude about the show

She wasn't his wife.

Apparently he preferred blonds 😂

Saavik

@@guidotillmann7765 Mister Saavik😂

do you not remember "North and South"?

@@billsedlock5357 North and South was three years after The Wrath of Khan.

"Starring" is a little generous.

That's our Lucy. One more reason to love her. It's amazing how many people i know that had no idea that Lucille Ball was responsible for producing Star Trek. A friend of mine asked me what Desi-Lu stood for. When i told him it was Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball he was in a state of shock. Of course Lucy had bought Desi's part of the company, and she's the one that gave them the nod to produce it. I read they were going to cancel Star Trek after the second season and Lucy fought tooth and nail for a third season.

ALL HAIL LUCILLE! ALL HAIL LUCILLE!

I knew it was her production. I did not know she fought (or had to fight) that hard for Trek. good on her!

Lucille Ball the first Trekie!

This is true, Gene Roddenberry mentioned this fact in one of his biographies before he died. He also mentioned the small handwritten note Lucy sent him congratulating him on the show.

But she misunderstood the concept.

@@chamonix2602 I don't understand why that even matters now

It was her and Desi Arnez production company that's why called Desilu short for Desi and Lucy.

I wish Lucille Ball would have fought as hard for Nichelle Nichols during her mistreatment at the hands of certain members of the Desilu staff back then. Nichelle mentions it in her book. I feel Lucille (as a woman) should have spoken to Nichelle and told her IF she had any problems with anyone at the company, let her know about. This was 1966 and racism was very much "around" in Hollywood and every place else. She would have gained major points with me had she done this.

In mid December 1967, Desilu has changed to Paramount Television, the studio has produced & distributed many successful programs such as Star Trek, Mannix, The Andy Griffith Show, Hogan's Heroes, Mission: Impossible, My 3 Sons, Family Affair, Bonanza, Gunsmoke among others.

Just about everyone in the original series was fired

LOL......LITERALLY !!

(slow clap, standing ovation)

Well if you want to get that technical so did Susie Plakson (K’Ehleyr) in Star Trek TNG episode the emissary

You're being illogical. Spock was a character, not an actor.

The real reason “Kes” was let go is that she developed serious mental health issues and was unable to function as an actor any longer. Both the producers and all of her fellow cast mates confirm this.😔

@@DoubleMrE It was the other way around. Her storyline died, she was underused and they wrote her out. Later, she suffered mental health problems.

Nah, Cheers! is just a holodeck simulation of a 20th century bar.

Best reply on this thread

@@chromedog68 this changes everything

@@loulfw2513 Thank you :)

@@jonmyers8046 game respects game. I am a comic (among other things) myself

Damn right. That lady is my hero and visionary as well as a great comedian. She saved that show. Desilu productions Desi arnez Licile Ball. I LOVE LUCY

Mr. Argyle , Scottish lady engineer , ( shadows of Mr. Scott)

Dr.Polasky was another Dr.McCoy.

Really? I had no idea.

@@johnbockelie3899 hey, it worked the first time. And Diana Muldaur actually guested on TOS.

Yeah but who committed the assault?

I read that Grace Lee Whitney was fired because she had a problem with alcohol. She would often show up drunk and couldn't perform. She was told about it but they just got tired of it and fired her.

I met Grace Lee Whitney once, and it was most unmemorable. She was a bigoted b-tch.

@@SniffHeinkel not an actor, an executive. the real question is who assaulted Teri Garr?

@@imperiallebaron2391 that too, and drugs. But I ThOUGHT that came LATER.

True, but Wesley was ALWAYS embarrassing to watch.

The opening credits even specify they were "Introducing Kirstie Alley".

Was just about to say that. Cheers premiered the same year that Wrath of Khan hit theaters (1982), meaning that Kirstie was likely an unknown when cast.

You guys are all correct, she was a complete unknown with maybe one credit pre-dating TWOK. Also, although Cheers debuted in '82, she didn't join the cast of that show until after '87. (Replacing the original female lead, Shelley Long.) Not sure where the host got the "star power" idea from, but from the smell of it, my suspicion is he pulled that fact right out of his butt.

her second role, per IMDB the TV show Quark was her first acting job

John Coffelt First movie role is different. That’s why the credits in Khan said “introducing.”

Right. I keep forgetting that Nimoy directed Search for Spock & The Voyage Home.

Oh sure, and people in charge never lie or spin the truth to make them look good and the other guy look bad. If you buy THAT I have a bridge you might buy also. Case in point, have you ever heard of cops who use excessive/deadly force, claiming they had no choice but yet bystander video proves otherwise? It's even got it's own acronym: CYA

​@@blah-hg3cz Consider the source before you spew your idiotic nonsense.

I just read an interview with Kirstie Alley where she said the producers offered her the same amount of money to play Savik in Star Trek 3, but told her that her role would be larger, so she asked for more money. Amounts weren't mentioned in that interview. Funny, but the same year ST3 came out Kirstie Alley did a few TV roles and had a part in a so, so sci-fi movie called Runaway, which stared Tom Selleck. It was a pretty minor role; she would have been better off taking the Star Trek gig, but it worked out for her in the end.

@@Kwolfx They offered her the same amount. There were negotiations. A price was agreed upon. A few days later, her manager contacted them and said that agreement wasn't good enough and he named a price that was ludicrous. So she was recast.

She was a smoking hot Vulcan... It was a good choice.

GREAT CATCH! Our "expert" isn't really as expert as he lets on.

Wouldn't the first be the captain of the USS Columbia from Star Trek Enterprise?

@@tdegrddeehjgd That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about real-time chronology. Not the timeline in the Star Trek Universe.

Bravo! You are the only person to mention Madge Sinclair as Captain of the Saratoga. No one seems to give the credit of being the first female federation starship captain to her.

@@tdegrddeehjgd Continuity wise yes, but we're obviously going by television and film introductions however! But well done for mentioning her.

@@imperiallebaron2391 several have, just not on this thread. Please don't paint everyone with the same brush. This is not a new discussion.

I am a lesbian

RIP

@@batheandrelaxinmyshit6344 I was looking to become one as well

@@loulfw2513 You will need to have fish fingers

You have my sympathies I’m sorry she had to pass away on you

Chef Jack Geeks Out : so many times it is stated that only Spock survived the cast refit, yet that first cast had the actress who was second in command (Majel Barrett) who was featured as nurse Chapel in the new cast.

@@slcRN1971 She also had a role in every movie and series as the voice of the computer.

It's confusing because the original unaired pilot, "The Cage" (which was later folded into the two-part episode "The Menagerie"), did not have Doohan or Takei in it. The first TOS production episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," had both of them. The photo he shows is from "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It has Sally Kellerman in it, and she was not in "The Cage."

Majel Barrett was No. 1 in the Pilot, Nurse Chapel in TOS, Voice of the computer in TNG, Lwaxana Troi in TNG, and Married to Gene Roddenberry in real life

The mistake is that's the cast of the 2nd pilot, not the 1st.

Exactly! This I-never-stop-yappin dude is NOT doing his due diligence. Kirstie Alley was a brand new character as well as her FIRST starring role in anything in Hollywood. She only became (somewhat of a) name after she appeared in this ST film.

Yeah, I used to get her confused with Meg Foster and then get disappointed because she's not Meg Foster. She was in the Tom Selleck movie, which was also disappointing.

@@flashrobbie Runaway with Gene Simmons of KISS and the replicators

What are you taking about?!? She was once a contestant on Password Plus & then again on Match Game before her film debut in Khan! 'wasn't star power' you say?!? I mean... It doesn't get much bigger than that!!! ;D

So, my question is; how does one rocket to a supporting -lead in her first movie role? I greatly admire Kirstie Alley, but this has always puzzled me. One should pay some sort of "dues" before being shot into stardom.

Watching it in syndication, I couldn't tell when she left the show, as the episodes aren't always played in order. I did like her character, and I liked how they addressed the woman aspect of her within the show. While she was attractive and such, she was still an officer and shouldn't be treated as an object. Or that one where the kid falls for her and she has to gently break his heart or he might destroy the Enterprise. Lots of great messages in that series, even if the era made it difficult to tell them.

@@williamj.bagnall4564 find a station that airs them in production, not aired, order. Both CBC and Vermont's WVNY did it in the 70s

I've often thought they could do a totally different ST movie....not so much a space ship action film but her life as a young lady deciding to go into Star Fleet...called Star Trek Rand. It could have potential.

@Deborah Shaw You're probably right.

I read somewhere she's the reason the uniforms for the ladies in TOS were short skirts. It was said that if she had to wear a uniform, she wanted to show off her dancer's legs.. :-) I didn't know about the assault. Absolutely horrible..

Sounds very clickbaity

Thx, I won't waste my time.

If you don’t sign this contract and agree to return to work, yer fir’d!

Kurt L That’s not the same as being fired.

2BitUser lol, yeah I was being sarcastic

I had to look up who he was, including on Gilmore Girls, since this video make both parts sound so much bigger than they were. He was in 2 whole Star Trek episodes. And it’s supposed to be believable fans were writing in to keep him? Was he cut from the mythical “future episodes” that the letters supposedly referenced? As for the “nice run on Gilmore Girls” I have to think he was some background guy in town? He did 13 episodes plus one of the new Netflix shows, which I skipped. I don’t know if “guy no one remembers” qualifies as a nice run.

He received the head injury from fall at his home.

I read his wife (acting as his agent) came into studio with a list of demands (because Hunter was a "film actor") that were unreasonable. So they went with William Shatner instead.

No the timeline would change.. please watch some Star Trek :D

Either way I'm grateful; she was awful

She also wasn't hired for "star power" as is indicated in this video, Wrath of Khan was Alley's first major role.

I liked the portrayal by Robin Curtis as Saavik way better.

According to Nimoy’s book, she demanded more than what Deforest Kelly was getting paid.

@@alanguages I totally agree. Robin Curtis was far better looking too.

but her character was changed completely. she than married gene. job secured.

@@martinhanke1670 But the title is *actors* who were fired, not characters. She became a different character, but she was still the same actor.

Barrett didn't returned until S1E7 - What Are Little Girls Made Of. She had been removed due to studio demands, it's just that Roddenberry found a way to bring her back in. Technically she had been fired along with the rest of the original pilot cast (sans Nimoy).

Wasn't George Tekei the cage too?

@@AlexandarHullRichter No. He made his first appearance in Where No Man Has Gone Before. There was another Asian actor in The Cage, but I don't even think his character had a name.

Exactly. Robin Curtis made the character boring. Was disappointed when I saw that movie.

In just a few words, you characterized Alley's appeal very appropriately. Thank you. I liked her, too.

Yeah, I never understood the personality change. The on-set materials indicated that Saavik was half-Romulan, even though it was never mentioned in the movie--which explained her tears at the funeral. Why completely change that? It made the character more interesting, and provided little avenues that could have been potentially explored later.

Alley was better looking as well

It wasn't Curtis's Fault that was Nimoy and Harve Bennet. Specifically Nimoy had wanted her to play the role like Alley ie. less in control of her emotions\ more ferocious I suppose. The character was meant to be half Romulan with a Romulan father and Vulcan mother, that's why Alley was more seemed more emotional as her character did not have the full control of her emotions like a full Vulcan. Bennett didn't like Alleys performance and insisted Curtis to play the role much more understated and emotionally bereft. There was a disagreement between him and Nimoy over her portrayal with Nimoy losing out over wanting her to be true to Nicolas Meyers original vision for the charactor. So Curtis's just ended up doing what she was told to do by the Exec Producer in another example of Bennetts dumb decisions.

Absolutely. I was thinking that as well. It was years before Cheers.

Spot on mate. Besides, I never liked Kirstie Alley after an interview I saw of her sometime around 92'. This was the "public" beginning of her implosion and maybe she was just being cheeky but she was just a total flake in the interview. Talking about doing lines of coke on the TWOK set, saying the main reason she married one of the Hardy Boys was because he had a massive hog, etc. She just sucks.

I'm not a Trekkie and even I knew that.

Yes but she was a good looking nutjob. She was hot as a Vulcan.

Alley went on to serve as a detractor to Xenu too.

A nutjob? Last laugh indeed. Ha, ha!

Robin Curtis is now selling real estate in upstate New York

@@Diversity646 Not bad at all.

i saw a comparison, with each doing several scenes, and mulgrew was so much better in every scene. can't remember which vlog it was though.

I'saw the Bujold footage, and I agree she looked surprisingly uncomfortable in the role.

She was horrible!

I saw that footage on KZfaq. Mulgrew just came in and owned that part. She's my favorite captain.

@@AvoidsPikes- Me too!

It did

Yep, Cpt. Rachel Garrett

Yesterday's Enterprise had a female captain. Rachel Garrett was the captain of the Enterprise NCC.- 1701 -C. Ambassodor. Class.

Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home showed a female captain of the USS Saratoga. Short role, but still valid.

Erika Hernandez was captain of the NX-02 "Columbia" (the NX-01 Enterprise sister ship) in the 22nd century - but that was before Starfleet. From "Star Trek: Discovery", of course, we have seen Captain Philippa Georgiou, serving in the 23rd century on the USS Shenzhou. There are a few (certainly not many!) other female captains mentioned in the 24th centry, for example Geordi LaForge's mother Silva La Forge (USS Hera), or Captain Tryla Scott (USS Renegade), met by Picard on Dytalix B in TNG 1x25 "Conspiracy".

Yep. Should have been given his own star ship for his "Kobayashi Maru" tactic.

She still is nobody...lol.

@@johndaugherty7465 True, I can only remember one other movie she was in without cheating and the TV show Cheers.

Rumour was she quit because was tired of fighting off Shatner

@@delraydad7516 nobody wins a fight against Kirk!

I think her biggest claim to fame before ST II was an appearance as a contestant on Match Game.

The one time I didn't like Geordi was when he ruined Q's gift to Data. The laughing.

@@robertthomas5196 I've never really looked at it that way. Thanks for the insight, mate!

@@brentgranger7856 Next time, just keep your mouth shut and don't wreck the moment!

@@robertthomas5196 Next time, don't comment if you have nothing good to say or can't take a compliment. Goodbye and I WILL NOT read any more of your comments.

@@brentgranger7856 I was talking about Geordi. Adios.

I've heard that too. Also, according to Gene Roddenberry, Hunter's wife was a major influence in convincing him not to return to Star Trek.

She was making a lot more on Cheers I would imagine by the time ST3 came out. I have heard her version of the salary story more often including her comment that if she took a pay cut for a bigger role she would have to start paying the producers to be in the movie. Based on that, she shouldn't be on this list.

Being bombed on cocaine the entire time didn’t exactly endear her to the production crew....

John Winchester3567 I had forgotten about the alcohol issue...the thing that confused me was why even bother to recast? Starfleet is large, it would have been simpler, and more logical to simply create a new character, rather than cast Robin Curtis as Savviic. But then again, they seemed determined to do that whole “pon pharr” scene, which I really wouldn’t have missed.

@@mdteletom1288 Kirstie Allie didn't appear on Cheers until 1987. Star Trek III premiered in 1984.

@@joelellis7035 Thank you, I love fact checkers, as I am one as well.

I feel bad for you: there was Kes, who played this dramatic important character...oh, Kes ist the name of the character, on what show was she again? And then Stewart, who played the Captain of Star Trek TNG, the show that made me a Trekkie, and who is _the_ Captain for me. Who cares about this Lien, if you got the real deal. Only Brent Spiner or Nimoy had been of equal interest.

And here I thought that Marina Siritis was the worst Trek actor guest. (Technically I haven't seen Lien so that is still true, and I understand Marina has improved in recent years.) I hate to say it, but the drugs Lien was doing might have been an influence even then...???

@@loulfw2513 Perhaps some of series 1 - 2 of TNG Marina Sirtis may not have been that experienced? Not sure, but certainly by the time of the last few series and the 4 motion pictures turned up she was far better. I still have not seen the ‘Picard’ series with Sir Pat and 7 of 9 Jeri Ryan, I must try and find out which Co down here in AU and the cost etc?

Sorry, have to find out which Co is selling Picard here and try to see it. It was such a great loss when we lost D’Forest and Leonard. I really love the original movies, Khan, Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country. Cheers.

@@petehoskins1267 I saw her appear well after TNG hit its fitting in the 90s. But like I said, maybe she got better. She was arrogant, dismissive, rude and unfriendly. As it recall, both Frakes and spiner were wonderful. Sadly, it's been a few years since there have been any conventions in this country at all

I did see that...She was terrible...Kate was more suited

Didn't she sweep the floor?

@Geary Kunkel The other big series of the last days of Desilu was Mission Impossible. Hogan's Heroes was from Bing Crosby Productions.

@Geary Kunkel Lucille Ball had it going on. She knew how to get it done and how to manage things, quietly if needed. Also, I thought she was very talented.

@Geary Kunkel Yep, Hogan's Heroes was made by Desilu and in at least one episode they reused the Enterprise's passageways for the hallways of a Nazi laboratory building, even though it's repainted, the distinctive triangular door openings are clearly the Enterprise set.

100% agreed. I (nearly) stopped watching mainly because of those two. My interest was so so low.

@Back40Living " Not to mention the creepy vibes with neelix and her being like 4 years old" Ah c'mon dude, seriously?!! She was from a race that aged extremely fast and had a very short lifespan - she was not "4-years old" she was a fully grown, young woman in the show.. If that gives you "that kind of vibes" I think you're the creepy one. 🙄

well the story told her isn't strictly correct, originally it was Harry Kim who was going to be the one to depart, until he appeared in a top 100 sexiest list somewhere and they decided to try and capitalize on that so it was Less that went

I'd have got rid of Harry Kim as well. I guess though Jennifer Lien was the obvious choice since they couldnt have 2 blondes on the show adn Jeri Ryan is way better looking anyway. 😜

@@markgowans As the saying goes "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Personally I found Jennifer Lien's Kess character to be much more attractive than Jeri Ryan's 7of9. Kess had that wholesome girl next door vibe that one could fall in love forever while 7of9 struck me as sexually radiant woman whom you'd likely no even survive one night in bed with. JMHO.

@@d00m0racl3 But her Borg background was more interesting.

@@bluerisk True, but one could argue that the Ocampa could've had a very interesting background story done also. Why did they live such short lives? where they an genetic/biological experiment by some older, more advanced race? what was the deal by which they transformed into a being of energy afterwards? So many unanswered questions that could've been developed into a good background story. I just feel there was a lot of unexplored potential there.

@@d00m0racl3 so do I too 7 wasn’t necessary

I agree. That would have been awesome.

"everyone"? That is DISAPPOINTING. But a lot could have happened between 1984 and 1991 I guess

In TNG's Cause and Affect, Kirstie Alley was offered a chance to appear on screen as a Bozeman officer. She wanted a phenomenal amount for a non-speaking role of just standing there and the producers said they could have made an entire episode for what she wanted. Too many Trek stories of her over-estimating her worth.

@@pickeljarsforhillary102 so she fucked HERSELF over. That sucks.

ClubTepes yup

I thought that Ron D. Moore was the showrunner on DS9.

Majel Barrett was the one most specifically fired, the studio exec were adamant she was fired. Roddenberry just hired her back for a much much smaller role under another name and wearing a wig in the hopes they wouldn't notice because she was his partner at the time.

I thought her as Chapel was better, anyway. I'm glad she didn't fade away and radiate... And her role as Lwaxana was classic.. even non-Trekkers know her as the blustery Bajoran (oh sweet God [I am just realizing this] she is SO my mother...)

Thank you for noticing that. The fans and the producers Really hated her character of "Number 1". I thought she was a Great character. Too bad they weren't ready for a strong, intelligent female at the time. Interesting that in the first pilot, Spock was the emotional one, and She was the unemotional one....

He did mention that some others were hired on as new characters. Spock was just the only one who's character didn't change.

@@maskedmarvyl4774 i actually liked her better as Nurse Chapel, bc we get to see her range. and i see what u mean, and totally respect ur pov. :D i also love strong intelligent women... but Number 1 was boring, dull, had no personality, and we're told more about her superior intelligence, but we don't see it very much. in fact, everyone else is more proactive than her/gives their ideas and is more assertive. the only time i recall seeing her be intelligent was when she and the other female officer were in the cage with Pike, and it was brief. she's more reactive than anything else. and i know that her lack of emotions were intentional, but that was the problem. too often, when a female character is often described as being: intelligent/strong, is bc she has no personality and shows no emotion... this gets tedious to see. in fact, for some of us women, it's downright annoying, bc u can't help but see, once more, that the idea of being a 'strong' woman means u have nothing to u, no spirit, no vitality, no spark. if there is nothing there to identify with, people r not even going to identify. even Spock, despite his lack of emotion, is expressive sometimes, and has energy to him. He is reactive... but he's also proactive. Number 1 is just reactive and doesn't project any energy at all. the reason that people still love Uhura to this day, besides bc she is gorgeous, is bc, the first time u see her, she has a spark to her. it's ok for her to have a feminine quality as well, and for some of us women, it's nice to know that gets appreciated. also, people blame Barret's dismissal as number 1 was for being the fact that people weren't ready for strong intelligent women back then... but there i cannot help but wonder if there is more to it than that. bc there is evidence to the contrary. in 1965, a British actress signed on to be on the show, Doctor Who. she suggested that her character be sometimes afraid and screamed at things, to make her character more 'relatable' to female viewers, since as she put it, 'strong female characters were everywhere on tv'. she wanted her role to be different than the others, for the sake of standing out and being relatable. and she was right. her character struck a chord with female and male audience members. in 1969, another actress was known for mailing a picture of herself in a bikini to tv execs, to show the studios that she could be sexy and fun, bc they were used to seeing her as the 'no-nonsense, serious, confident, assertive, woman'. and this was also after the era of Catherine Hepburn. there WERE strong intelligent woman at the time, on tv, but they all had personality to them. they had visible spunk! Number 1 appeals to a certain group of people, but not to those women and men who enjoy watching a female character with more to their personality, and with that spark that she lacked. a strong female character won't matter if she's not relatable, and especially if we are told that she's strong, but we don't see much evidence of that, bc she appears to be easily overlooked in her scenes, and is only there to often give confirmation to things that have been discussed by others. at the end of the day, i think it was all down to the writing she was given, but back then, no one knew how to explain that to themselves, so it was chalked up to good ole' lack of progressivism. of course, there is sexism in the industry, and in audiences, but i still believe that it might have been more complicated. but each to his own.

@Patrick Names If you want it that way everyone from the first pilot was fired. But it was a network test pilot nothing is written in stone. It was basically a job interview not a greenlite series she'd been on for 13 episodes.

@@vwgirl Old news that the studio wanted her gone. Roddenbury snuck her back in 7 episodes later, hiding her identity.

As was Kim Cattrall as Lt. Valeris in Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country. Can you believe it? The same actress in Mannequin and Big Trouble in Little China!

She sure was. I feel she got the nuances of her character perfectly. Saavik being half-romulan meant that Kirsties 'emotional' acting was far better then the very stiff, I would say boring, acting from Robin Curtis.

Scientology gives deep insight into the universe, as OT7 she knows Xenu's plans to defeat humanity and portrayed it well ;)

I hated that Robin didn't even resemble Kirstie, & she had a perm, the only Vulcan to have 1!! Why not rename/use a different character? ☠👎💀🖖

Hames Doohan told us at a convention prior to ST that KA was not available due to appearing on Btoadway at the time of filming

He lumped her in to the entry about The Cage, so it wasn't necessary to mention her specifically.

Yep. The packaging for the "black" VHS copies (the ones that form a picture of the Enterprise when lined up) also stated it was her "motion picture debut."

I can verify this. When I saw TWOK in '82 (IIRC), I had NO idea who Kirstie Alley was. It was the first time I had ever seen her, and knew her as 'that Uber-mega-hawt Vulcan chick'. I was SO looking forward to her return in STIII...and what I got was that other chick who was wooden as a 2 x 4. Who I HATED. Because she was TERRIBLE. Then of course, she ended up on "Cheers", where I knew her as "the chick who used to be the Uber-mega-hawt Vulcan chick".

Until Nicholas Meyer approached Kirstie to return as Saavik for "Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country (1991). Unfortunately Kirstie proved unavailable and Nick Meyer chose Kim Cattrall who insisted on character name change to Valeris and look more resembling Spock with bob hairdo and hair band to differentiate. Meyer had no interest in using Robin Curtis as Saavik from Trek3 & 4.

Now IMDB shows the movie _One More Chance_ -1981 as her first role

She also had personal issues from what I hear. She drug use got pretty bad after the show.

I heard their ratings were lowering so they introduced the shapely Ryan character.

@@henrysalami7593 That seems likely.

Isn't that *all* of them?

Justin Shim I think there’s more

Haaa

Done so many times. Just watch elsewhere.

Honestly, when i think of Saavik, i keep putting Kristie Alley in it. Nothing against the actress that replaced her, i just think Kristie did a better performance....

how does that translate to not getting fired. she either quit..or was fired...

It doesn't. I just noted how badly they choose the replacement. Besides that One Star Trek movie, has she HONESTLY been in anymore? No, but Kristie Alley had the presence to've been in at least one-two more.

@@johnnysizemore5797 i was actually talking to Daniel lol. he said kirstie "wasnt fired she was recast"... that still narrows it down to fired or quit lol. shes on this list, im sure Adam did his research. She was fired. "let go" and "replaced" and recast means fired. recast can mean quit as well. lose an actor for any reason, you recast the part or drop the character or drop the project entirely. i guess technically if the project hadnt started yet, Allie wasnt technically emplyed with them "yet" but was still the actor known as Saavik, being recast after negotiations, that in itself is "we dont want you, piss off" equals a firing to me.

@@killwalker This is a muddy one. I don't think she was fired and she didn't quit. The contract negotiations broke down and she did not return to the role. The end result, of course, is that we didn't get to see the awesome Saavik again (Robin Curtis was good, but didn't feel like the same character).

Yeah, I always assumed they realised they'd written themselves into a corner with the rapid ageing, and replaced her with Seven for that reason.

I guess they‘ve been told to sex up the show. They tried that with Kes in the last season she‘s a regular and for myself I have to say I liked it. But it seems it wasn‘t enough for the powers to be. So they brought in some nice tits and ass (from THEIR view. I think Jery did a terrific acting job!), strapped that in a corset and shoved her in front of the camera in an „ugly duckling“ story, making an even greater impact.

Why RIP? Jennifer Lien is alive and well.

@@larrywt656 My bad. It was her unfortunate run in with the law that I was thinking of. I remembered that in the news and my brain morphed that into an announcement of her death. My apologies to Ms. Lien. Live long and prosper.

@@larrywt656 To say she is well, at present, is a contention that's hard to substantiate, as repeated long-term interventions of serious mental health treatment, somewhat incredibly countenanced by Tennessee's criminal justice system, have yet to be conclusively shown to have been effective. In fact, while I'm unaware of the disposition of this past Thursday's court action (continued over a number of times), she's once again dealing with a charge (thankfully pretty minor in this instance) for about the fifth time in the past 8 years. You may define such a record, as positive evidence of someone's wellbeing, but I'm a bit more dubious, sorry to say.

Many women feel sick because of men like you adoring them yet you do not even know nor ever met My sisters and mother said you're a weirdo

Sometime later she was at a Holiday party when the head of Paramount asked her why she asked for ridiculous money and a whole laundry lists of demands and she said that wasn't true. When she proved that to him by showing her a copy of her actual "demands," he gave her that role on Becker. She got screwed again when she was released from Becker in the later seasons (when it looked like she was going to hook up with Becker finally)--and the real reason for that was that the showrunners of Becker still resented that she was put on their show by the head of Paramount (they had a different actress in mind.)

@@dlschgo it just sounds like she got a raw deal all around can’t blame her from wanting to do other shows then

That was Gene's story. Solow and Justman said different. The Cage was more designed to appeal to CBS. WNMHGB was rolled to fit NBC as a companion piece to "The Man from Uncle" and Bonanza style action adventure. GR was a pretty big imaginer of history. There is another word for that.

If Hunter had returned he would have gotten it. The word is actually too cerebral.

@@2bituser569 they were character actors. They would have performed as directed. Shatner was in a lot of things before Star Trek. Sometimes quite cerebral or introspective. Sometimes The Shat. Eventually the Star Trek producers wanted The Shat. Remember he started out as the professional officer that was a bookworm at the academy. Mitchell was the horny flyboy.

S Tho Why couldn’t Kirk be both bookworm smart and ladies man?

@@2bituser569 I heard that. Hunter wasn't fired, he got a role in King of Kings and chose that. Shatner & Nimoy had much better chemistry though, even Nimoy said as much, he could play the straight man to Kirk's wild west style.

Or a Klingon same would be great

@@ladymopar2024 love that. Just end with "Qa'pla!" or however you spell it.

@@vic5015 or a Romulan "Jolun Tru" though that's more of a greeting if I'm not mistaken.... by context I've heard it used it just means greetings or good day something like that...[star trek online is where i heard it most] Qa'pla is a good phrase too though it's meaning is "Success" or there's Kijol which means "mean me aboard" I love when simple phrases say full sentences, it's like how???? but English really is a ponderous language, we say less with more words while at least 60% of the world says more with a fraction of the words lolz like Japanese Kanji you can have the same basic structure but many variations of markings which drastically add to it or change the meaning.... and some languages invert the saying or say it backwards like Spanish says things kinda inverted backwards lol French too to an extent like Le Fussil Terribles translates as the terrible shotgun i English but the placement of words le is the, fussil is shotgun and terribles is terrible another similar phrase, Le Enfant Terribles, translates as the terrible children....same structure le, the Enfant, Child/children terribles, terrible.... not a linguist, this is just off what I've picked up on, nevermind me, I'm being a bit of a dorky snob..... Qa'pla is a standard klingon phrase like iconic phrase, use it with pride but now you know it means success lolz shout it next timne you beat a game QA'PLA!! lolz

Don't you mean 'Geordi?' Not trying to offend anyone I just want to know.

AMP's Collectibles No, he meant the other guy with a visor! Come to think of it: Why weren‘t there any other people with visors?

@@jensdroessler3575 I don't think there was anyone else with a visor.

@@andrewmichaelscollectibles Sorry for the spelling. I'm blind and never really looked up how hhis name is spelled.

Jens Droessler Data asked a Picard that question in a gotcha scene about sf being able to examine him to make more androids like him. Geordi needs it he is blind

I don't think that's right given that he was only 9 years old at the time of the pilot.

Don't ever recall Spock dramatically removing his sunglasses.

@@fynxbell ... Or doing a latin dance step while clearing a one room building.

@@Thurgosh_OG No its true. Caruso was that damn good. Even at 9.

Scottie always had a red shirt on but he was maybe a lucky man

We'll probably never know what really did happen seeing as another version of "the truth" I had heard it was Roddenberry himself that wanted her gone and that's exactly what he did. So got me.

Was critical of first season stories...racist, sexist

Thank you, I was looking if someone else had pointed this out.

I was about to say that as well.

Majel Barret did the computer voice on all of the star ships except the Excelsior. She also Played Luoxanna Troy. Dianna Troy's mother. I thought it was great that she was an MD in The Motion Picture.

Majel Barrett (please spell and punctuate her name correctly) was the OPPOSITE of fired, she was bulletproof... "the First Lady of Star Trek" participated in every incarnation of Star Trek during her lifetime.

She was *not* married to the boss. In fact, if I have my dates right, she was having an AFFAIR with the boss at the time. (So was Nichelle.) I checked. She did not marry gene until after Star Trek was off the air.

@@imperiallebaron2391 Luoxanna was a character that grew on me. More I saw her the more I liked her and her episodes with Odo in DS9 were great.