Bjorn, I don't know why, but I find the videos where you present older, more affordable cars like this Soul far more interesting than the ones where you show the newest and most expensive models. I think you should include more videos with different upgrades that can be fitted to the older, existing EVs that have been on the roads for several years. I'm sure there are a lot of owners out there that would appreciate that. Keep up the good work!
@130rapid Жыл бұрын
Kia's CEO: - "Oh my God, now the avalanche of warranty claims will start"....
@louislarouche1335 Жыл бұрын
Hi, in Quebec, when talking to other 2016 and 2017 owners, it seems that they all had/or will have the battery pack replaced under warranty.
@viraeternus11 ай бұрын
Same - just got the paperwork submitted to Kia Canada, my 7 year old 2016 Soul EV went to 63% SOH…
@fleecystheking Жыл бұрын
I own an ‘18 Soul EV with that 30 kWh battery. I have yet to lose any significant capacity, It gets the same mileage as it did when new. It’s got 90 000 km on the odo, and it has yet to need any work done on it. It just works. The low battery alerts are annoying, but they can be reduced in settings. My car charges as fast as 68 kW on 100+ kW charging stations. Very nice!
@peterjay9697 Жыл бұрын
I have a 4 year old 30kw soul ev here in the UK with nearly 50k on the clock. I have owned it myself for 2 years and noticed little to no degeration on GOM miles. I have previously owned a 24kw leaf (which lost 1 bar just before I sold it) and a first gen i3 BEV which was all over the place on GOM miles, it used to make me super anxious if going anywhere near the expected range. The reliabilty of the 30kw soul is super impressive and certainly helped set a bench mark for current EV's
@petersimon2483 Жыл бұрын
Since 2 1/2 years my 2015 Soul has the new battery. The Soul has driven 180'000km, 40'000 km with the new battery. It's awsome the improvement. Last week we masured the battery with a degradation only 0.1%! The range is up to 260km. 200km Swiss Autobahn . Beste EV EVER 🥰
@louislarouche1335 Жыл бұрын
I own a 2016 Soul EV in Canada. Just had the battery replaced under warranty last week. It was degraded to 50% of original capacity( was still managing to drive 140-160 km a day with a charging session in between). Went to the dealership in July 22 after noticing a sudden drop in range, refurbished battery installed in February 23, 7 months later. The refurbished battery is larger capacity than original. 30KW ~ 28.5 KW usable, used to be 27KW ~ 26 usable.. It feels like a new car, incredible to be able to drive 130 km in proper winter ;-) -12 C at highway speeds yesterday. Updated for the summer, I did 190 km one was charge yesterday, mix of highway and country roads.
@ubermenschen3636 Жыл бұрын
The replacement battery may have a different chemistry than original equipment, hence, the improved performance.
@Ge1nponem10 ай бұрын
On October 5, 2016, I became the proud owner of a Kia Soul EV. The reach has decreased significantly over the past year and a half. In the autumn of 2022 I could only travel 110 km with a full battery. However, according to the dealer, the SoH was still above 70%, so I was not entitled to a replacement within the 7-year warranty. Last August, under favorable conditions, I was only able to achieve 90 km on a full battery. The car had 120,000 km on the odometer at the time. Fortunately, a claim under the warranty was accepted at that time. The new battery was ordered. The new battery was installed on September 26, 2023 (9 days before the warranty expires). On September 28, I was able to cover no less than 215 km on 1 full battery with 2% remaining. With the old battery I once managed 178 km under the same conditions. So I must have gotten a bigger battery now. I am very happy with that. Hopefully we can enjoy our Kia Soul EV for at least 7 additional years. Bjørn I would like to thank you for the videos you made about the Kia Soul EV with battery degradation. This helped me enormously to convince the dealer that I also was entitled to a battery replacement.
@antoniofreitas6335 Жыл бұрын
Hi Bjorn, when a degradation test with a LEAF 40? I'm very curious to compare your numbers with aviloo and LeafSpy.
@honungen Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see what avilo would have to say about this if they assume the old battery. Negative degradation?
@Evans_Man Жыл бұрын
you that you have to plug avilo in and then discharge the battery (drive) with it, right?
@capsytb Жыл бұрын
You can set the low battery warning to not repeat. There's a bug with the low battery warnig variable, it resets if you regen enough to 25~26% after the warning, then the warning will be shown again when it lowers from 25~26%.
@peterjay9697 Жыл бұрын
Yes you can disable it completely in settings
@HaveAagutd Жыл бұрын
@@peterjay9697 How one can do it Peter? Peter here as well
@raymondthalseth392011 ай бұрын
Nice video! I got my 27kwh battery replaced two years ago on my 2015 kia soul with a 30kwh battery :D Totaly love the car. So much car for the money now:D
@viraeternus11 ай бұрын
hihi - I have a 2016 that just got approved for a warranty replacement. Do you notice a charging speed increase like Bjorn says in the video?
@apterachallenge Жыл бұрын
151 wh/km = 245 wh/mile. That's more than double the consumption of what Aptera are saying their EV will do. Of course, that's vaporware at the moment until people actually take delivery of their Apteras and start testing them. Maybe in the future, if the Aptera makes its way to Norway we will see a Bjorn Nyland video and range test. You wouldn't even need to carry your Ecoflow with you when you do the run flat test. Just park for an hour or so and it will self-charge a few more kms into the battery and you'll be good to go LOL.
@nickdegroot2445 Жыл бұрын
Hey Bjorn, I see you are really excited and positive about the battery replacement under warranty. However, it’s also quite worrying to see that a car that is not even 8 years old and has driven 100.000 km already needs a battery replacement. If it was not under warranty anymore, then the car would be economically written off considering the price of the battery. Don’t you think this is going to be a problem in near future for EV owners whose cars warranty is going to expire? Will be really risky to invest 20/30k in an second hand EV having the chance that it will be written of in case the battery breaks down😅
@fleecystheking Жыл бұрын
The Kia Soul 27 kWh battery degradation issue is 100% well documented, well known and has been fixed by Kia ages ago. This issue was resolved by Kia itself when the 30 kWh battery was introduced in 2018. Anyone researching the purchase of a 2017 and older Soul EV needs to be aware of this and behave accordingly (get proof that the battery was replaced or have the battery replaced by Kia). Any car, EV or not, can have issues. It is the buyer's job to research them and make their purchase decision correctly. Bjorn is trying to help that here; he may want to research the used cars he makes videos on more to really help its viewers.
@nickdegroot2445 Жыл бұрын
@@fleecystheking I understand. Thanks for your detailed response. Its good that Kia has fixed these problems and I understand people have to do research before buying a new car. My point is, I work in a Volkswagen dealer and I’ve already seen some E-Trons with broken cells in the battery pack costing easily 10/15k to replace which is all under warranty now. But I have heard some stories about for example Golf GTE’s with battery problems out of warranty that are costing owners like 15-20k to repair which is basically the residual value of the car. I am just curious what is going to happen with the residual value of electric cars when they get older.
@GG-si7fw Жыл бұрын
You need to look up what the manufacturers warranty is and what the state, California, and national, US, mandates. In the US, it's 8 year, 100,000 miles and 10 years, 150,000 miles in California.
@Lewis_Standing Жыл бұрын
@@nickdegroot2445 dealers may offer very expensive replacement fee's for the whole packs,but the actual error will be in one or two cells.decent garage's will offer diagnostics and replacement of a few cells for much less.
@HaveAagutd Жыл бұрын
@@Lewis_Standing exactly. I worked in car industry before and many cars with ICE need repairs but it's not always whole engine or gearbox. Usually a cambelt, sometimes engine refurb, bit usually smaller bits around it. People need to understand as soon as the batteries will be breaking down there will be a market full of people who would see the business i it and start offering battery repairs. It's not rocket science!
@viraeternus5 ай бұрын
Bjorn, key question for you - are you able to find out whether this new battery is actually full of new cells? Apparently on the forums and part numbers on the service documents there can be a Remanufactured battery vs a new battery. New ones are extremely rare now given the car model is out of production. On average the price for one out of warranty is approx 17K CAD / 15K USD. Remanufactured ones (the good cells mixed and matched to build one) are 10 times cheaper - one parts site had a list price of 1500 USD. It would be interesting to hear back about this little Kia Soul (I would be at least😂); I’m going to plan to do a range test on mine as well - battery replaced in Dec 2023 with a Remanufactured battery, from the 2018-19 newer batteries.
@rui569 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice, if you can, to have information about EV repairs related with battery packs: places where it can be done, how it can be made for different EV models (repair / full pack replacement), cost of service, etc...
@alb9472 Жыл бұрын
right side is the right side.
@lenovo7980 Жыл бұрын
Hi How much does the new 30 kwh battery costs in Norway, and is it an OEM battery and a dealership install? Thank you for the amazing and all the time useful content.
@danninim3118 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, actually a good question
@markushetzmannseder7748 Жыл бұрын
I asked my car dealer last week about the price of a new battery for my Soul. The answer was 13.000 EUR plus taxes but they get some monay back for the old battery too. So yes it is expensive!
@williamarmstrong7199 Жыл бұрын
@@markushetzmannseder7748 the value of the old pack is very close to the new one. Check how much lithium batteries fetch even 2nd hand on ebay / Amazon. Considering you will have something like 100 cells in the pack.
@lenovo7980 Жыл бұрын
Way too much,
@Ursulalb Жыл бұрын
@@markushetzmannseder7748 It is a bit expensive
@baardriiber9659 Жыл бұрын
Any idea about how much this would have cost if the battery had been out of warranty?
@Zetaretiiculi Жыл бұрын
Probably a lot.
@simond7582 Жыл бұрын
not much, it's only a couple of modules that get hot, degrade and drag the pack down in these. easy and cheap repair.
@Rozgo78 Жыл бұрын
Refabricated batterys around 1600$
@alperenatak3195 Жыл бұрын
Hello, could you please tell me what is your opinion for TOP 5 headlight cars?
@iangardner2311 Жыл бұрын
Bjorn, which video is it? Where you talked to Nassir and a second mechanic. Where the second mechanic mentioned the original Soul battery degradation is mostly the top 2 battery cells. Replacing these two top cells would reverse most degradation.
@bjornnyland Жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9ZiobirmZqteqc.html
@Joe-lb8qn Жыл бұрын
I had the 30kWh version from 2017 to 2019. Then got the 64kWh in 2020. Great car, though for better resale value maybe id have done better with an eNiro.
@mihaicostescu Жыл бұрын
Only read the title and I have to say : nothing but respect… If I want to buy Chinese/Korean EVs that’s the strong point for me… Aftersale warranty. Big like.
@random8539 Жыл бұрын
Chinese/Korean? One is not like the other.. Korean cars have an established presence on the European market.
@alfrredd Жыл бұрын
Koreans, yes. Chinese we don't know how they will do in 5-7 years.
@felixklusener5530 Жыл бұрын
Almost all EVs have 8 years and 160.000 km warranty for the battery nowadays. It's some kind of industry standard. Only the warranty on the rest of the car is less than 8 years for german and american cars.
@williamarmstrong7199 Жыл бұрын
@@alfrredd Chinese MG5 std range on 75,000 miles in 20 months. Doing very well.
@mariano3113 Жыл бұрын
In US the Soul EV and Ioniq EV have a 10 year 100,000mile warranty for subsequent owners on the EV drive system. I purchased used and have had 1 battery replacement in 2019, a new on board charger, 1 new Drive unit (was leaking some oil from a seal...they replaced whole drive unit instead of replacing seal and extended my factory warranty to 150,000 miles or September 2027. Extra 3 years as this vehicle was originally registered August of 2014 as 2015 model year.) I also had the CHAdeMO and J1772 ports replaced under warranty. I am at 95,000 miles about to get another replacement as battery is 18kWh from 1% to 100% which is below threshold for warranty replacement.
@MichaelEricMenk Жыл бұрын
My warranty limit was 80% SOH@100 000 km. But it was 81,25%... just above the limit.. :-(
@nakfan Жыл бұрын
I think Bjørn has talked about that SOH is not a correct mothod. That was how Bjørn entered a Kia battery case and the dealer changed their mind. Search for videos about SOH, battery, degradation, Kia. And dont give up yet even if is now older than 8 years. If you can document that they rejected your claim before 8 years and after all the publicity created by Bjørn there might be a chance. Get an Aviloo test in any case. BR, Per (Denmark) - not yet an EV owner...
@Exemplifiera Жыл бұрын
You should power the dashcams and peripherals with power banks
@ubermenschen3636 Жыл бұрын
Soul with a 60kwh battery would be the perfect compact boxy car. How costly was the replacement battery?
@felixklusener5530 Жыл бұрын
@Bjørn Nyland Can you tell me how to activate that GPS speed on the navigation map? I can't find such a setting in my mums 28 kWh classic Ioniq.
@goemon911 Жыл бұрын
The Feature came with an update. I'm Not sure wich one. Look at update.hyundai.com If you have to Install it. And then you can activate it in the Navi setting i guess.
@ProfessorHamer Жыл бұрын
Hi you just need to update the software via the SD card. Follow the instructions on the Hyundai navigation software update webpage, it’s free.
@stevencorrea80325 ай бұрын
Car steering wheel look better than mine I had to replacement upgrade battery
@notmyname64526 ай бұрын
Does anyone know when battery warranty changed on Kia? Feel like I keep reading the older models have 10 year and yet the newer ones only have 7 years? Having trouble confirming, thanks
@jfhebert861 Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for my free upgrade. Winter in brutal on a 27kw packs range
@bjornnyland Жыл бұрын
*kWh
@kennethsmyth Жыл бұрын
😂 it’s like it’s 2010 again.
@PG-gs5vb Жыл бұрын
What is the warranty on the new battery?
@fleecystheking Жыл бұрын
The warranty is on the car, not on the battery. The original 8 year / 160k KM warranty carries on the new battery. It doesn’t reset
@MortenB0 Жыл бұрын
Great video with historic touch. Let's just hope that the soul is not in the battery because then this car might be very confused right now !
@nakfan Жыл бұрын
Ha ha 😅
@aldod8167 Жыл бұрын
Any idea what will become of the old battery?
@Rozgo78 Жыл бұрын
Itt will be placed into German railway charging stations.
@manueldelpozoparedes8715 Жыл бұрын
Se puede cambiar las células afectadas y seguir funcionando en el mismo coche
@seanplace8192 Жыл бұрын
It will be recycled, probably put into an energy storage system.
@manueldelpozoparedes8715 Жыл бұрын
@@seanplace8192 Por cambiar unas celulas no es necesario subtituirlas del auto Y también almacenar energía en una vivienda
@dandee5770 Жыл бұрын
Curious to know, what was the replacement cost of the battery ?
@larsenpetter Жыл бұрын
It was replaced on warranty.
@riccardomarinoni6733 Жыл бұрын
is a bad idea buy a 2015 kia soul for 16.000€ and ask to kia for a free battery on warranty ? i know kia have 7 years of warranty also on battery but the car is from 2015 and ,7 years of warranty, now we are in 2022
@paal.skodjevaag Жыл бұрын
Pål Skodjevåg for 1 time siden There is no hang on the brakes, it is only GOM who does not know the new battery.
@ezquimal Жыл бұрын
Exist any old Hiunday ioniq with a new bigger battery or only can pita the 60kwh?
@derMaulwuff Жыл бұрын
Gotta make sure to not recuperate too much on these tests, as it adds juice to spend twice while adding kms .
@bjornnyland Жыл бұрын
Incorrect
@derMaulwuff Жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland why that? Charging is at 0 speed and adds 0km. Recuperating adds more kwh to the battery and miles are added to the trip meter as the car moves. On my last trip I spent 15% battery and recupd 4,5kwh on mixed driving.
@derMaulwuff Жыл бұрын
Ok I've got it. The consumption is positive while driving, but negative while recuperating. So the final consumption should adjust for the extra stretch you get from it.
@markushetzmannseder7748 Жыл бұрын
@@bjornnyland In most situations its not a problem. It can be a problem if you start driving down a hill at start. If i travel down a hill about 300m difference in high and then a few km flat or slight uphill is still get a energie consumpton, but in reality i gained 1-2% SOC on the battery with that track.
@ericvet8b Жыл бұрын
How much was that battery replacement?
@mariano3113 Жыл бұрын
Said Battery was free warranty replacement. Going from mykiaparts.com 2015-2019 30kWh remanufactured price : $1,711.00 (USD) www.mykiaparts.com/oem-parts/kia-remanufactured-pack-assembly-batt-37510e4200r 2015-2019 30kWh New price: $13,068.50 (USD) www.mykiaparts.com/oem-parts/kia-battery-37510e4200
@Haveagrated Жыл бұрын
Hi Bjorn. Thanks for the advert :D What do I need to buy to check my Kia battery? Is your set up expensive? I got 30kWh battery pack which is in fact more than that. My car is 2018 and has done over 50.000km but I only charge at home and can't notice any drop in range. Is that normal or is it Kia hiding it and using the buffer to cover the disappearing range? I really want to find out now:D
@fleecystheking Жыл бұрын
My 2018 Soul EV has 90,000 km on it now, hasn’t lost range. 30kWh batteries don’t need replacement like the old 27kWH ones did. No worries.
@msithara Жыл бұрын
@@fleecystheking I have recently started searching for Kia 2018's to buy and my youtube feed is suddenly flooded with all these degradation videos by Bjorn. But its a bit relief to see your comment hinting that 2018+ models may not have the issue anymore
@smoothflying Жыл бұрын
Order Avilo from their website and do the test like Tesla Björn, then you will get accurate results.
@Lewis_Standing Жыл бұрын
For less money than aviloo get an OBD and just read the SOH yourself unlimited times on an app on your phone.
@HaveAagutd Жыл бұрын
@@Lewis_Standing Thanks Lewis. Have you got any favourite ones? Something proven to work on Soul?
@martinweston8147 Жыл бұрын
ABC Always Buy Corean 😊 yep I know 😉
@davidrowlands9498 Жыл бұрын
Hey Bjørn, why haven't we seen a Renault Megane E-Tech review from you? I need to know all about it and most importantly, how many banana boxes I can fit in it.
@bjornnyland Жыл бұрын
Because I haven't been able to borrow one.
@emilch8341 Жыл бұрын
Now is here in Austria cheaper if you drive gasoline car instead electric car , because of high prices on fast chargers. Electricity is becoming so expensive. Only if you have at home possibility to charge it comes cheaper. A lots of us don't have possibility to charge at home so we will drive our cheap gasoline cars for many years.
@fritslevie4461 Жыл бұрын
What about maintenance and road tax in Australia?
@emilch8341 Жыл бұрын
@@fritslevie4461 maintenance and road tax is here expensive. Germany is cheaper.
@manueldelpozoparedes8715 Жыл бұрын
Yo no quiero gasolina, con 0,50c de euros hago 100k.España (Mallorca)
@edc1569 Жыл бұрын
Apparently in Germany they are shutting off nuclear plants and restarting coal ones so not surprised!
@fritslevie4461 Жыл бұрын
@@edc1569 Coal because of shortage of gas from Russia. Energy panic because of coming winter.
@JW-urth Жыл бұрын
Please for 90% of the people a 7 jear car is not old are classic! 🤭
@LoneWolf-wp9dn Жыл бұрын
EV haters always raggin on about how expensive the batteries will be... when we change them every 3 years apparently... the prices ive heard so far are pretty acceptable and theyre only gonna get cheaper as tons more production is ramping up... and the more widely adopted your car is the more people will scramble to sell you upgraded batteries at acceptable prices
@basedw Жыл бұрын
Guy here in the comments was told 13k€ + tax for the replacement. Which for a Soul is OEL when the car itself is worth that. 25% range in 7 years also sucks quite bad considering the max range at 90 for 30kwh is 160km...
@CJMVector321190 Жыл бұрын
Engine changes are also very expensive.
@LoneWolf-wp9dn Жыл бұрын
@@basedw it's on the internet it must be true
@nakfan Жыл бұрын
Yes, but it is a known case with the 27 kWh that was rectified by Kia with the 30 kWh battery 1-2 years later. Battery has 8 years warranty.