You’ve been asking, so I did it! Understand that this isn’t a review but a light hearted comparison. Looking back I wish I used a glass cup to show you the texture! Be sure to watch to the end! Acting may be involved 😂

I love my breville i love my breville I love my breville... I dont need a 4000 dollar machine I dont need a 4000 dollar machine .....

Fun comparison! I started with the Barista Express and loved it. Some people will be satisfied and keep it and enjoy it for many years, others will realize how much they love the experience of making coffee at home and it will become a hobby. Great video once again Kyle!

Hello Kyle, great topic. About five years ago I purchased a Breville Barista Express 870. I spent zero time learning how to actually use an espresso machine and was completely ignorant with respect to how a shot should taste, or why one should taste a certain way due to any particular technique. I simply extracted 2 fluid OZ into a shot glass, poured it into a 16oz cup, added 1 oz of chocolate sauce, 1 oz of caramel sauce, and topped off the very large cup with some poorly steamed milk (which took forever BTW). I found that if I added enough milk, chocolate and caramel, I felt relatively happy with my results. Eventually the pump failed, and I decided to upgrade (somewhat). After some research and contacting several companies, I purchased an ECM, Mechanica V Slim with an additional bottomless portafilter & upgraded the steam valves with ECM, Synchronika joysticks. I selected a Eureka Mignon Specialita Espresso Grinder (chrome finish). The company (I am not sure of I can mentioned the name of the company, so I will not until I am sure that's OK with you and your channel?) I made this purchase from suggested I accept a complementary "coffee school" online espresso training program. I opted for the advanced version, however I quickly discovered I was completely lost, so after contacting the company again, they also provided me a free "coffee school" course beginner version. Over the next few days I completed the very professional video course material, complete with testing and follow up question areas. Only then, did I have a fundamental understanding of what espresso is/was, the difference between good and bad shots, how to recognize problems, solutions and most importantly how to dial in a shot that "I liked". Ii became obvious, I needed (wanted actually) a full featured espresso scale, so I purchased the Acaia Lunar Scale and began weighing my coffee in and espresso out in grams rather than espresso out by volume. Based on the "Coffee School" beginner training program, I started with a 1-1.5 ratio recipe using and 18 gram bottomless portafilter. Eg, 18 grams coffee in, 27 grams out and I selected 27 seconds extraction time because it seemed to be within range 25-30 and it was an easy number for me to remember. Per the "Coffee School" beginner training program, I made sure everything except the grind fineness was constant, then dialed in my extraction time to 27 and weight in grams to 27 by adjusting grind fineness, which took me about an hour or roughly 15 shots. The shots were so ridiculously consistent, and excellent tasting that I replaced previously used (2 fluid ounces of flavoring) with one single drop of chocolate and oine single drop of caramel. I now prefer a 6 fluid oz, Ristretto / Capuchino beverage. I then completed the advanced "Espresso School" training program which opened up an entire world of recipes and techniques that I have now been experimenting with. So in hindsight, I would say in the order of importance, the things that improved "my espresso experience" were: #1) "Coffee School" training, in conjunction with the Lunar Scale. #2) The grinder Eureka Mignon Specialita Espresso Grinder #3) The ECM, Mechanica V Slim, in conjunction with the bottomless porta filter & basket. #4) The almost instantaneous chat or voice support from the company I purchased the equipment form, when I did have questions. (Again, I would like to name the company but I do not want to break any rules). Could I have made generally acceptable espresso shots with the Breville 870? Sure, if I had completed the "Coffee School" training, used a digital scale, and used a decent grinder and had plenty of time to wait for steam and concurrent shots. But being real, "For me", proper training, excellent entry level equipment and fresh coffee has been one of the most rewarding things I have done in a very very long time. Thank you for making it to the end of this comment. BTW, my total investment in new equipment is: $3,243.75 (about 4.5 times more than my old Brevelle) The upgrade was worth every penny from my perspective. Mark Nicholson Former, US Army - EFMB, Combat Medical Specialist 1/94 FA MLRS

Currently own the Barista Express. I bought it back in college so for me I loved the all in one (no need for a separate grinder and fit perfectly in my small apartment) and I still get great tasting espresso. Also love that it has PID but I do agree temp consistency is not there when pulling back to back shots. (I usually wait several min before pulling another)

I understand that comparing the bbe grinder + bbe brew vs niche + lelit is far too unbalanced, but why not use the bbe grinder for both machines in the comparison? It would seem that the biggest deciding factor in the value of the BBE would be the grinder quality. If it's not possible to pull a great shot with the BBE grinder on the Binaca, then it would seem that the value of the grinder would be worthless, and money would be better spent on something like a Breville Bambino or Gaggia Classic and a separate grinder. Thoughts?

Just ordered my barista express. New to the world of home espresso, keep the content rolling! Looking forward to learning new things and growing my understanding .

Great video mate. I've been using the BBE/infuser type set up for a good 10 or so years and within the next month I should be getting my Bianca. Can't wait to try it out! I'm especially keen to try the flow profiler.

So I ended up with my BBE because my uncle upgraded to the Bianca! Now I'm learning and pulling shots daily.

My husband got me the Breville for Valentine’s. I haven’t been to a starbucks or cafe since. My home espresso is better! I LOVE it. Love.

This is a great approach to a purchase. Whenever I buy something I start with educating myself about the top shelf high end items and learning how to discern their differences over the mid priced item.

Awesome video and thank you for sharing your tips 👍👍

Really enjoyed this video, must watch till the end,very funny!👍👍👍

I love that you didn’t totally dog the Breville! Espresso is such a beautiful experience and you can have a beautiful experience with any of these machines if you’re willing to put in the work! I’m a coffee shop owner/coffee roaster. I have a two group Astoria Rapollo At the shop, A Lucca M58 and ECM grinder at the Roaster for espresso experiments, and then that exact Breville at my own house🤣! I don’t want some thing with a large footprint inside my own kitchen and when I make coffee at home I don’t want to pull three or four shots to reach perfection! Sometimes we just need a Americano to get us up and moving in the morning. Over many years in the industry I have been able to change my thought process of picking out what is wrong in each individual shop/machine/process, to simply appreciating the differences. It really helps me not lose my mind

Love the channel

This is a great video. I think you did a nice job of communicating expectations people should have with each machine. One further direction you could discuss is why more pressure in the steam wand matters. If people haven’t steamed much milk that’s probably less obvious.

Is the Bianca worth it to me? Ive had mine for about 4 months now and the dual boiler is making the whole difference, from my 12yo Rancilio Silvia. PID and the paddle. The paddle is really usefull, especially when i use darker roasted beans. Also being able to adjust water temperature is amazing. 93c for my darker roasts and 95c for light roasts. I live in Norway and we usually use a bit lighter roasted beans than most other countries. With all the adjustments possible on the Bianca, i can use lower quality beans and still get great tasting espresso.

Hi great videos and so helpful , i have a question what do u think about the Phillips late go and do u think it’s good as the Briville barista express ? Thank u

For anyone considering the Breville: spend your money on a Rancillio Silvia and a decent grinder instead. You can get by with a basic Gaggia grinder, but spend the extra couple bucks and get a Sette 270. The Silvia is the same price as as Breville, but it is a proper espresso machine for the price. The Breville's grinder is trash and shouldn't be a consideration. Get a real grinder, the Sette 270 is best for the money.

Subscribed! Great video bro!

Love these I made a lot of espresso with my BE and now I have a DE1pro. My BE was great for getting started. However it just broke after 5 years and I need to replace the 3 way solenoid

can you do a comparison video with the breville being the expensive one?

Thanks for doing the comparison. It would be very interesting to see a double blind taste test done between these machines, (to eliminate any expectation bias) again using a good grinder. There is little doubt that The Lelit Bianca is a more capable machine but it would seem that the taste of the espressos they both produce is very comparable.

I've been using a BBE that I bought LIGHTLY used for $300 (A serious steal.) I just ordered the Bianca this morning, and I am SO. DAMN. EXCITED. Looking forward to giving the BBE to my mother for Christmas. Nice video!!

Awesome comparison thanks

I think Breville hit a home run with the Barista Pro, which is faster, makes better steam, has the digital display with shot timer, and a grinder with better adjustment (compared to the Barista express).

Does a grinder makes that much difference? I have a Rancilio rocky should I upgrade to the Niche?

Hi Kyle, want to ask your opinion, i had a Breville Barista Express, should i get flair classis or pro 2 if i aim to get more in espresso? or Breville Barista Express actually make similar espresso quality with flair?

This is an awesome video! My husband got me the barista express for xmas and now we are both obsessed learning all about good coffee and is getting into a hobby! We even talked about upgrading it once we learn all the basics and mastered them haha... I see you amazon list but which is the the grinder you actually use? Do you have a video explaining whats the difference about the portafilters sizes? Im still confused about that.. new subscribers here!

If you are on the fence for Breville machine consider the dual boiler 900 series with a vario grinder, you will be surprised at the quality of the shots. I have had the Breville 900 since 2012 and it is still up an running. My coffee references are pitango coffee shop and habitu caffe. It also depend on your skills. Enjoy coffee!

A transparent glass you have made this video so much better! Thanks for your time doing this.

Finally someone who also talks about how the coffee tastes from these machines (very good!). All the bad ones about how to unpack the machine and how to use it. Those who go to the purchase of such machines know how these work.

Quick question- I’m in between the lelit Bianca and Profitec Pro 700. Any recommendations between the two?

Great comparison!

Hi Kyle, I see on your video that the woiden elements of the Lelit Bianca machine is light brown. In other videos or pics on the internet, i see dark brown. Does it then come with several shades of brown? Thanks

@KyleRoswell You mentioned texture. Do you think that the rotary pump in Bianca might provide better texture than the vibration pump in Elizabeth?

Is CIME with an E64 group any good second hand and serviced? Whats cime with e64 even mean??

I have the BBE and recently upgraded to a Eureka Specialita Mignon grinder. The grinder makes a lot of difference over the built in grinder.

Hey Kyle, would you check whats the brewing pressure on both machines, me thinks the the breville lowering the breville higher brewing pressure may impact the shot.

“Who do you think I am? Gayle?” 😂😂😂😂

I love my Breville ! I don’t care how sexy and amazing the Lelit Bianca is. Lol

Which roaster and what coffee did you use for this? I'm from Vancouver and always looking for new beans.

Love your vids, what do you think of the Breville Barista pro? Thx

I have a Kinu Grinder and I think it is enough for home espresso, does the Breville Bambino do the work?

I wonder how the Lelit Bianca vs Breville dual boiler would fair tho, it's got a 58mm portafilter, two boilers, 3 hole steam wand

I didn't find the Breville barista express review. Can someone give me the link plzzz?!

what do you recommend for someone with no situation

Is there anything with compatible quality to the $3000 one but smaller?

Great and helpful video Kyle! just want to ask or maybe a new video request hehe. If you have $1,900 budget for espresso machine to be used for a small cafe what can you suggest to start with?

Nice! Thanks.

Hi, can you provide a link to the grinder please?

This was a great comparison video. As someone who just upgraded from a Breville Bambino Plus to a Bianca, Kyle is 100% correct that the biggest difference will be texture, but if you’re playing with flow rate, the flavors are much more balanced and round on the Bianca as well. Breville was a great machine to learn the basics, but the quality of my shots are far superior on the Bianca. I was skeptical that this could be true, but having an E61 machine with a rotary pump makes a big difference. I got lucky and was looking for machines just as Lelit had a 20% off sale, but if your budget allows for a machine like this, you won’t be disappointed. Thank you Kyle for creating trustworthy content. Home espresso is an investment, and people like you make it easier to pull the trigger on a purchase like this.

I'd love to see a comparison between this Breville and the Bellisimo by Café cause that one is so pretty, the reviews look good, and it's priced competitively with the Breville

I upgraded from Breville barista express to lelit bianca. And I can say it is day and night

Is it possible to mod the Breville's grinder, say, replace the burrs among other things?

What's your take on pump machine like the bianca against a spring lever machine? Will there be a significant difference in taste?

Would you say the Bianca is a good choice for a small boutique café (around 50 cups per day)?🤔

Great video. Perhaps compare them both using the Breville integrated grinder?

Was one of your neighbors drilling something? Or is it the coffee machine making noise? I heard something in the background a few times and I kept thinking it was in my place til I paused and it disappeared. Anyone else hearing that?

what u used for grinding?

Ok so what model should we get w a separate grinder?

Hey Kyle, is the texture a result of the portafilter size or pump? The breville dual boiler would be a better comparison

Is breville can be used for my small coffee shop?

Hey! Thinking of getting the Breville Dual Boiler, how would hold up against the Bianca?

Hi Kyle. Just wondering about using the Lelit in a small commercial space. I've spoken to retailers who have told me that these machines are good for long term use and will need a lot of maintenance. Would you find this to be true? If so, what would you recommend for a commercial machine with one group head?

I use the flow control Profitec 500 heat exchanger. I previously used the Bree (w/o grinder). You are right, steaming is a MAJOR problem with Breville thermoblock. Big road block. Espresso quality also MUCH better with Profitec. But...I recommend starting with the Breville, and when you are ready, make the jump. You will appreciate it better in that order!

Did you use stock baskets? I’d be curious to compare the mouthfeel with the same baskets..

Would like to know if how many double shots i can do consecutively with the barista express? Let say there are pauses/breaks in between for grinding, tamping, etc

Could you share what grinder you used ? I have the Breville and it is still working so don’t want to change it. Maybe an upgrade of the grinder would work. Thanks!

Great video! Excuse sir, what do you think about a 58mm entry level machine versus the Bianca. I have a gaggia classic pro machine with PID control and I ordered a niche zero grinder on March delivery. Do you think that I will have a good home espresso workflow or it's worth the money to upgrade to a dual boiler machine? Thanks for your time!

It's a good comparison, personally I was between the Breville dual boiler and profitec pro 600, I went with the profitec, the value ended up being in the overall aesthetic, I live in a small apartment and with a minimalist thought process you tend to just spend the extra money and get what you really want, making coffee is a morning ritual and you want to be using something that's beautiful.

I never EVER get any sort of steam milk/cream with my espresso. Is there a machine that is higher end/priced appropriately that doesn't have a foamer?

How Long did u use barista express before u bought lelit bianca? After how many years did u upgrade?

Can the Breville be used for a low volume coffee shap/cafe?

Hello! Thanks for your great videos. I want an espresso machine for a small cafeteria, under $1500, that can make 60-100 cups a day and doesn't weigh too much. What would you recommend me?

Thank you for the video! I strongly agree, the grinder is most important. However I own an E61 and Olympia Cremina, so I guess that my vote is to have a better machine as well. 😂 The creaminess from better machines is worth it for me.

Hi Kyle. I have a super automatic krups (EA8250) but i want to improve my coffee at home, what machine do you recommend, this breville or maybe the gaggia classic pro + some grinder?

I have the Barista Express, it's really nice. However, going back I would invest in a high end grinder and pair it with a relatively cheap espresso machine. The grind uniformity has way more impact than anything else. Even a $4k espresso machine will pull shots that have unwanted sourness and bitterness if the grind profile is bad. On the other hand, perfectly ground coffee will extract better and more consistently even with cheaper machines.

I have that Sage/ Breville. My first. Just bought a 1zpresso max to try to improve my grind. First time dialling in today!

Where can I get those cups tho

Hey Kyle, this video is like answer to my long pending decision to buy between BBE & Lelit Bianca. Thank you. I have one more question, i plan to open a small cafe and use Lelit Bianca in that, so how much time between 2 shots to pull, since it cannot maintain the temperature as u mentioned?

Dude, how do you only have 2k subscribers? This is easily one of the best coffee channels on KZfaq! Keep it up!

Saw this and had to get me a new one. I have the Phillips 3200 but now love the breville

Time to compare the Breville Pro. It has significant improvements over the express model. Does the walnut finish make make the coffee taste better??

Can I use a Breville 50 Hz machine in a 60 Hz country?

I have a Barista Express 870XL From like 2013 or 2014. I have had to replace one of the solenoid valves in it, and I have had to replace the internal button for the grinder, a total cost of around 80 dollars for the parts. I was able to teardown the device and replace the parts effectively. It's a long lasting machine in my opinion!

I’m trying to decide between lelit pl81t and pl91t. I won’t be doing back to back shots so I don’t need dual boiler but do I really need 58mm? The grace has 57mm.... anyone with experience? I am a click away from buying it... will later buy the eureka specialita and pair it with.then again if the grace is enough maybe the Anna 2 does the same job and as good 😂... a bit confused and anxiety of which to choose:)

One thing to consider is depth of the machine. You'll need a counter 20" deep minimum for the Lelit. I went with the Breville as it's all in one and only 13.5" deep so it fit easily on our appliance cart and we didn't need to use up valuable counter space in our small kitchen. I only use it a couple of times per week however once I' got the grinder dialed in I've never had an issue in the 2 years I've owned it. Bought it on the Breville Ebay store for about $550 CAD & free shipping!

How do I make a sweet drink?

Just got my Breville Bambino a few days ago. I need to get a grinder so I can start grinding my own coffee. But so far I love it!!

So helpful! Can you compare Bianca with La marzocco ?

Hi, did u dial in the coffee individually for both BBE and Lelit B? They should have different grind setting.

Interesting would be to take the express out and put the breville dual boiler into this comparison

I’ve had a Breville pro dual boiler for around 6 years, hasn’t missed a beat. Like the sry quick startup, programming, pre fusion, temp etc and put 5,800 cups through it. Saying that, I’m thinking of a Bianca V3, not because I think the coffee will be so much better, it won’t, mainly because of the looks, and some shot profiling. The greater return will be from a grinder upgrade and fresh coffee weekly. I don’t think people could taste the difference and even if the could, people don’t do comparative tastes between machines. It’s frankly about so you like the looks, yeah it’s pretty sweet, and how is your budget. Breville dual boiler is excellent, often in sale in Au for sub 1k

So the real question is should you buy one without a grinder for less money then spend the difference in the grinder?

I’ve easily purchased multiple Lelit Biancas worth of Starbucks over the last 20+ years.

I have watched 50 videos on all types of machines and NO ONE talks about LONGEVITY. Thank you. You were the FIRST. If I am plunking down $4k for a machine I dont want to hear it will last 2k or 5k cups of joe before it dies. I want it in YEARS. I just bought the Jura S8 but honestly I am thinking about returning it for the Lelit with the 61 grouphead. In 7 years you will not care how much you paid for it as you will feel like you are paying only for the beans and the milk which is the way it SHOULD be. The only downside is the wife likes a cup of coffee and the convenience of the superautomatics. But the HUGE downside also of the superautomatics is the cleaning supply costs and the time spent. A great cup of espresso is nice but the taste is forgotten if you have to spend more time cleaning and ordering more pricey supplies to keep it running.

watching this video while brewing my coffee with cheap nescaffe dolce gusto lumio

I just got myself a Ceado E6P on sale to replace the breville dual boiler’s included smart grinder pro. Can’t wait for fluffy grounds!

I would do a flair before I did either of these two machines. Budget and quality. The only thing you can cast doubt on compared to the lelit is the temp control.