HAHAAHAHAHA

Yeah, you'd think he'd mention the Slitheen too...

"in history". Maybe since the Saxon stuff never happened it doesn't count?

He was never Prime Minister after the time reset.

​@@TheSirSpence he actually was, cause the reset timeline started then when the President was murdered, so Harold Saxon was primeminister at that time

Yeah same 😂

Nothing ever ends....

​@@geetee4459 ok ya fr was a bit confused about the whole episode felt kinda lonely without the doctor

It's a "timey wimey" story, virtually by the doctor breaking the seal, it starts a timeline where mad jack is reborn and the doctor is trapped within the curse jack was in, and ruby can only reach herself through her own death cause ruby is stuck in a different curse for reading the notes, who knows how many times this has happened for ruby but finally this version of ruby broke the curse by stopping them both, and can rest in peace. Cause without ruby stopping the doctor stepping the doctor wouldn't have stopped ruby reading the notes, it's a circle it's a head spin, but it's brilliant storytelling

There is probably a story about your grandfather - or some person - from history -that you may not understand . But u csn enjoy the ep surely?

But why is future Ruby causing people to treat young Ruby like that? How is she doing it?

@@stevetayler9518 i think we will find out more as the series goes on. i think its more to ruby its kind of like what happened with the doctor and jack when rose brought jack back the doctor ran away with fear and disgust because he became a temporal anomaly a fixed point in time it was never meant to happen i think its sort of the same thing with ruby the old women showed them what she was and who she will become they ran in fear and disgust much like the doctor.

@@evildeed90s Jack explanation only works for time-aware entities i.e a time lord or the TARDIS. Why would a human with zero time awareness be scared if that was the case?

@@charliechar__ STFU wasnt talking to you. Acting like what i was saying was fact take your toxicness to someone else its called a theory.

The Tardis wont let her in because the doctor has disappeared , this was for-shadowed in an earlier episode - and itll sit on a cliff and be worshipped - they’ll build a city round it etc.

that's not really what is said, just went back and listened. A lot more too it...

@@justintlme8763 well he was talking about wondering where the tardis goes without him. Yeah he talked about how they built the cities around it and after the cities are going to tardis is still there. But he literally said it ends up in an outcrop And when I googled an outcrop I got images of basically where the tardis was. Obviously that never happened because it was literally only 80 or 90 years that had passed

@@EskoBomb Gotcha, yeah I just never heard him say anything about him dying.

@@justintlme8763 true true. Yeah I'm with you there. I was looking for the same when I went back to rewatch it... No yeah he didn't say anything about dying. But I don't think I put that in my original comment for that reason. But yeah it is pretty crazy

Why would you think that was a coincidence?

It also explains why the TARDIS wouldn't let her back in... It's not the TARDIS but a replica made by the circle.

this is the only satisfying answer I ve read so far. Thanks

I like this theory as well, it ties things together better than other possibilities. It's so frustrating how there are so many loose ends though. The only issue is that the only reason she didn't pick up the scrolls the second time round is because the doctor told her not to but if it wasn't his act of stepping on it then he should've been able to warn her to not pick up the scrolls the first time round.

@@shalinimahalingam9064 deja vu effect

that and that woman who is multiple people in her life

I really hope that it’ll make more sense, cause right now it doesn’t make sense to me.

Just waiting for the Reveal where Ruby's mother is Ruby tbh...

@@patricgmuer2988 it's not meant to. It's a hook to keep you watching.

I don't think that episode will ever have an explanation. Susan Twist however might.

I love this theory, living by it now~ XD

So the doctor steps on the circle and activates thoughts of abandonment in Ruby?

Yes. Agreed. This is what it's about and you have explained it very well ... ' I think because she was a weird time anomaly that was warping peoples perceptions to be blurry and not be noticed, that the people who talked to her had their perceptions of Ruby altered into the manifestation of her abandonment issues'. This, or something very close does make perfect sense, given the fact that we will get a bit more clarity from RTD as the series progresses.

@@frankhughes7551 The doctor doesn't disappear until Ruby reads the notes. I think it is her reading them that triggers it.

This is what I thought. I've seen someone pointing out that 'Semper Distans' is an anagram of 'missed parents', which backs up that the mysterious figure represents abandonment trauma. All the way through the mysterious figure stops Ruby from maintaining relationships. Sometimes the other person isn't aware of why Ruby is distant and other times the figure intervenes directly - mostly when someone tries to help her. I think what it says or does to those who run away is a manifestation of what Ruby thinks might drive that particular person away from her. She may not be able to say exactly what that is, but she always feels it is there, so the ambiguity and blurred photos represent that. I also think the manifestation is triggered by the Doctor vanishing. Ruby doesn't react as if he's been spirited away. She thinks he's left her ("Maybe this is what you do...."). Even averting the nuclear war doesn't get rid of the figure, so isn't the point of the story. Only when she takes ownership at the end of her life does she get the Doctor back & the figure disappears. I think whatever is said to the crazy Prime Minister might be the truth of her origins / existence, which she isn't aware of consciously but is terrifying enough to cause this power crazy lunatic to run.

Dalek voice: Yes,we know who u are!!😂✌️🥃

We all know, Henry. We're all Who nerds on here.

That would have been a great reference. Sadly watching this episode I can only apply that phrase to RTD....

She told them spoilers :)

Oh my gosh what a good catch! There was also when he stepped on the butterfly!

@@Boltmaiden No, he saved the butterfly. It was under HER foot.

​@@vapx0075point is that people need to be careful where they step after exiting a TARDIS

but at the end of the ep old ruby says "i haven't been alone for 65 years" which im guessing is the time she had herself watching her all these years, so i dont think 73 has anything to do with her age

Looking at it from a "magical reason", which seems to be the theme for this season, the Number "7" is the number of "completion, a total encompass of an action/event" while the Number "3" is the number for "harmony and new life". But I also like the idea of it being the "age difference" between the first time young-Ruby spots her, and old-Ruby in that hospital bed finally getting close/becoming the woman-in-the-distance. Back to the magical reason; 7, completion, 3, harmony. By breaking the circle and "releasing Mad Jack", Ruby and the Doctor introduced disharmony to the world and the potential for ending life. Ruby was then (for whatever reason you want to believe) "charged" with making things right, bringing back harmony, and to do so she had to "go the long way around" to Complete the Circle once more and close it, and even--at the end there--keep it from being broken in the first place. Of course it could just be the writers using a pair of dice and rolling them at random during the outline phase. LOL!

Time travel 101. You absolutely can't interact with yourself from a different point in your own timeline.

@@kosmickosm771 73 yards though is 66.75 meters, which makes way more sense for a UK show. If that theory is true (which I believe it is), she would've been almost 86 when she died.

IIRC, RTD said that he'd spent some time on a pier watching people and working out that 73 yards was the distance at which a person with normal eyesight could no longer make out the features on a face.

Same!

Ditto. Church had too much Trans Stuff ( as did specials sadly), Babies was just DUMB as F, Chord dumb as F plus too much Gay... Boom was not Terrible, but still a bit Fu*ked. 73 YARDS on the other hand is actually ( shockingly) GOOD! REALLY GOOD! 😂😂😂😂😂

Yep. I felt Moffat did this with Peter’s run and Chris tried it but failed. Start weak, loose casual fans, come back with amazing stories for the actual whovians.

i thought it was alright ncuti gatwa grown on me now the first few episodes i was a bit unsure of him but now im confident he can carry any story. Its nice to have my show back that woman doctor was pile of shit

@@janetwebster5099jeez wanna insult any more minorities while your at it?

So why did Gwilliam run ?

@@babs5968 could be all sorts of things. My guess would be she threatened to expose what was happening with the young lady who got an invite to the party. For obvious reasons that part of the story was downplayed.

I think it wasn't future Ruby, but rather passed-away Ruby. The whole hospital room felt like a setup for her dying, as did her reaching towards her older self...or merging finally with her dead self. She was being followed by the ghost of her future self the whole time. People ran, like they had just seen a ghost. They always looked back at Ruby before running, perhaps with a stone cold realization that she was indeed Ruby's ghost. They also acted as if in a trance of some sort, scared. Maybe, as death, she said she would take them with her. Though, gwilliam and the minister both said, "ask her." What could she have said that they couldn't say? If it was a mystical thing, maybe it was just a supernatural stirring of their souls with their deepeat fears or something. It almost felt like she didn't actually say something to each person. If she did say something, maybe it was about the importance of Ruby's task, or they were shown a world torn by nuclear desolation.

Almost a walking talking Pyschic Paper ??? !!

@@kieranmoore8501 It may be just that he took advantage of Marti in the same way as he looked across at Ruby earlier. Marti did say he was a monster, so she already knew what he was like.

I don't think it's a plothole that he knows about Gwilliams before stepping on the circle. Pretty sure the point of the episode is that the timeline they start in is the one where he did step on the circle but Ruby didn't have the 73 yards woman, and the timeline they end in is the one where he didn't step on the circle, and the entire middle of the episode is dedicated to this new timeline the 73 yards woman created. We're almost certainly gonna discover more about this episode in retrospect this season, probably that Ruby is able to go back into her own timeline and that's what the woman is

I was kind of shocked when Kate also run off. I mean, the people who worked for / with her told her what they saw/heard and based on that Kate, of all people, she run off. And she was so prepared and I thought if anyone could help Ruby would be Kate. And now all the speculations in the all the comments in this video is making me think, is Ruby gonna be something like River / Clara 🤔

the doctor is a complex space time event even if you don't consider timeless child cannon, he can remember multiple timelines. I think Ruby is also the same considering there is something supernatural about her.

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 That's some good points, and I will c&p a little something I wrote in another comment response on this video, for further consideration (based on my understanding of the show so far, previous episodes, even within this season thus far): "[...]stepping into the circle has nothing or should not have anything to do with the war or not, given that the Doctor doesn't know several timelines, and his perception is locked (like he locked Ruby from changing the timeline by stepping on butterflies or even when he enters an altered future, his memory doesn't change, he still only "knew" the timeline with music, the dystopian warzone was unknown to him even if he can make an educated guess of what lead to it; as just re-established two episodes prior)... Unless he is part of the change (saving Peter Capaldi's character in Pompeii), but even then he is very careful his own changes are relatively small scale (lesson learnt from Waters of Mars) - or he had no prior knowledge of the established/written history. The elderly Lady in the pub, even though she had been mocking Ruby, did say some true things. For one, the fairy circle did have some important significance. But she also mentioned the placement, the top of the cliffs, between the land and sea, being a crossroads or gateway of sorts. ...Irish and Gaelic folklore do have a whole lot of timetravel elements. Caves and lakes and seasonal portals at the sea take protagonists of those tales through time, future and past. So my take is, that the circle itself was from that future, a rip in time of sorts, that started bleeding when being stepped on, affecting both Ruby and the Doctor, and the bleeding's effect only "stopping" when Ruby prevented the Doctor from breaking it. The bleeding resulted in a closed loop; it may even be we only saw one version, the one where Ruby managed to stop the war, survive herself to unlock her own time-travel abilities at old age and warn her younger self. There may have been many unseen ones, where Ruby never aged that old, died in the nuclear war and never could warn herself and upon her unnatural death returned at the moment of the Doctor stepping into the circle... ("Turn left" is a bit similar to this episode, is it not? Oh, the importance of companions!) Whether the latter is feasible, what we've seen, Ruby's own time travel does not affect the circle itself nor its origin. The war will still happen. ....I would think, that a time portal bleeding out might at least somewhat explain how a Time Lord suddenly vanished to the point of his loyal Tardis going completely inert. Where he vanished to, how exactly it affected him, we will never know... Just like in those folklores the protagonist's fellows only ever see them vanish..." The above is entirely under the assumption that Mad Jack is indeed Roger (and not some sprit/entity possessing him, which... He wasn't even near the circle when it got disrupted and the Doctor mentioned him for the nuclear war before that, so...) and not anyone else, but also, as described, in line with the folklore time travel aspect.

The episode was terribly written in my opinion, it's pretty clear there was no intention of actually finishing the plot because they didn't know how to. Even if they try to explain in another episode, it will still be bad writing as the episode now cannot stand on its own. But hey, we got rid of gatwa for a while so that was a win.

No she’s not, she says the woman has been following her for 65 years, so she would be 84 at the end

@@prof.evilpictures8696 yes but that's when she visits the Tardis. A few more years pass before she's on her deathbed. So She would be in her 90's.

What about the time she moved back exactly 73 yards, so Mad Jack would resign?

​@@josephcooter5763no she says the 65 years line in her death bed

@@Logan_alexander_gaming That, I think was something that came out of left field as far as I was concerned. I didn't think she had the power to do that.

This is a great explanation! Genuinely the first time it clicked for me thank you! There is still one thing I can't get my head around. Ruby seems to realise what the whole thing is for when talking to Marti. She says something along the lines of 'i'm sorry, i had to be sure' - what was that? What clicked for her? What was she now sure of? What did Marti have to do with it all? Do you have any thoughts?

​@@Anni6758She is now sure he is going to nuke the world since she got the info of the specific date he will get the codes to the nuclear weapons.

@@Anni6758 Hm, yes her. Didn't need to be there at all so will probably be "ta da" significant later. Maybe she'll turn out to be River Song's left kidney or something... Typical of modern writing. It's like bad detective fiction where it turns out that the scullery maid from scene one did it. The expected reaction is "oh I should have noticed her when she was clearing the plates". The actual reaction is usually "was I supposed to count the number of bloody spoons?" I used to set crosswords - you can be tricky but you have to be fair. It's the same principle.

Yes, "Turn left" was a complete episode, that is probably part of the whole story arc.

You are right though. This story just gives pompous asses the ability to pontificate about how smart they are and tell everyone what it actually means, although they are all different.... That's how you know the plot holes are simply that, massive holes that the self congratulating narcissistic Who "experts" can fill with whatever word salad garbage they desire 🤦

@@MKR5210 Philosophy and the range of human experience and feelings not for you. Got it.

The actress is Susan Twist. She appeared in several episodes as different characters since at least the 2nd 60th special. She was at the beginning in the Isaac Newton part. She also was in the devil's cord, boom, and now 73 yards. I don't know what's up with that, but I guess "there's always a twist at the end".

I think she was in space babies, too. Just for a second or two on a screen.

The Doctor did say "there's always a Twist" in episode 2. The first Doctors granddaughter is also called Susan and is referenced in the same episode, but I'm really over reaching now!

Maybe she was the one who picked up the Master in the tooth

@@otps8035 that's what i was thinking- maybe Unit want to study it to find out more about the gods- maybe they'll even free the Master and try and do a deal

The watcher was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that woman, just standing there in the distance the same way as him.

But at least the Watcher was well explained at the end. This was just a mess.

I think it was just her as a ghost...

@@justintlme8763a ghost that everyone could see.. i dont think so

@@lic3d127 not everyone could see it. They said she was basically there but like you didn’t always really notice her.

Similar to “the silence” but not.

He says that before both Rubies manage to stop him from breaking the circle.

I agree; stepping into the circle has nothing or should not have anything to do with the war or not, given that the Doctor doesn't know several timelines, and his perception is locked (like he locked Ruby from changing the timeline by stepping on butterflies or even when he enters an altered future, his memory doesn't change, he still only "knew" the timeline with music, the dystopian warzone was unknown to him even if he can make an educated guess of what lead to it; as just re-established two episodes prior)... Unless he is part of the change (saving Peter Capaldi's character in Pompeii), but even then he is very careful his own changes are relatively small scale (lesson learnt from Waters of Mars) - or he had no prior knowledge of the established/written history. The elderly Lady in the pub, even though she had been mocking Ruby, did say some true things. For one, the fairy circle did have some important significance. But she also mentioned the placement, the top of the cliffs, between the land and sea, being a crossroads or gateway of sorts. ...Irish and Gaelic folklore do have a whole lot of timetravel elements. Caves and lakes and seasonal portals at the sea take protagonists of those tales through time, future and past. So my take is, that the circle itself was from that future, a rip in time of sorts, that started bleeding when being stepped on, affecting both Ruby and the Doctor, and the bleeding's effect only "stopping" when Ruby prevented the Doctor from breaking it. The bleeding resulted in a closed loop; it may even be we only saw one version, the one where Ruby managed to stop the war, survive herself to unlock her own time-travel abilities at old age and warn her younger self. There may have been many unseen ones, where Ruby never aged that old, died in the nuclear war and never could warn herself and upon her unnatural death returned at the moment of the Doctor stepping into the circle... ("Turn left" is a bit similar to this episode, is it not? Oh, the importance of companions!) Whether the latter is feasible, what we've seen, Ruby's own time travel does not affect the circle itself nor its origin. The war will still happen. ....I would think, that a time portal bleeding out might at least somewhat explain how a Time Lord suddenly vanished to the point of his loyal Tardis going completely inert. Where he vanished to, how exactly it affected him, we will never know... Just like in those folklores the protagonist's fellows only ever see them vanish...

He actually doesn't say about the nuclear missiles at the end, just he's a terrible PM 😊

@@dandanod What does PM mean is I can ask?

Maybe the war will stop by the doctor in the future. Maybe he heard about the nuclear war, but so far he didnt experience.So Ruby manages to save the doctor, that maybe includes that she has to survive until she is very old. For me is the biggest question: doctor where? Was he dead? (but where is his corpse?) Had he never existed? (makes no sense, the tardis is there) Did he escape? (makes also no sense: without the tardis we would see him...maybe a teleporter or something else. but the woman is 73 yards away and he couldn't hear what she says. Ok the tardis could translate the sign language of the old ruby / old lady, so he wants run, but why he doesnt use the tardis? because the tardis has switched off instead to run away. So the doctor uses a teleporter or something else, what he has randomly in his pockets?) This sounds unlikely and destroys my first theory that the Doctor needs to be saved to prevent the world war, but it could be true. The episode won't let me sleep today.

The Doctor broke the circle 🙄🔷

@@CashelOConnollyyeah but Ruby read the notes, she got punished for that

@@mrcritical6751 this is so dumb even the so called villian i have no idea what wrong he did and this entire ep is a paradox as non of the even happened if old ruby prevented young ruby from letting the doctor destroy the so called circle

@@DeusLucifer he sexually assaulted Marti!

This is a synopsis not an explanation ✌🏻🔷

​@@CashelOConnolly yup

so an ancient evil spiri from the past reincarnates again becomes PM and gets scared by a ghost really now come on that's stupid

She died no she didn’t

The key source of my frustration is the ‘twist at the end’. It spoils everything. The figure inducing terror/disgust in anyone it speaks to is a great idea. If the figure had been an unknown entity, a supernatural creature then YES, the concept that it can say something that would cause that reaction, even in Ruby’s own mother, would be brilliant. It was brilliant and creepy whilst watching it. But then the twist absolutely ruins it. The mysterious woman is Ruby! What? That’s makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly as we actually spend a fair amount of time with old Ruby, and she’s lovely. We know for a fact she never learns what has happened or what the woman said. There’s certainly no indication that she’s learned some terrible, forbidden secret that could install terror in any who hear it. We follow old Ruby right up to the moment of her apparent death. So when she magically teleports back to the past, where is she getting this from! What the hell is she saying that causing Ruby’s mum to hate her so much she takes out a restraining order? She isn’t scared of Ruby, she’s not upset that she can’t see her, she clearly hates her. What could old Ruby (who is just Ruby, just older) possibly have said to her that would cause that? More to the point WHY would she be doing that?

The 'ambulance" would have picked up two hearts when Ruby was scanned.

Why more UNIT? They weren’t able to do anything even though Kate was confident they could and it showed that Ruby was really in her own

@cking5530 I just feel that they could have had an extra few minutes of screen time ya know rather then the extremely clumsy way they handled it. Maybe a scene at unit HQ. Maybe Unit thinking rather then arresting the woman Maybe take Ruby to unit HQ since the woman is always 73 yards away, then things go pear-shaped from there. But this is I'm ideal canon where it would have been a 2 part episode.

It didn’t need to be 2 parts. There’s only 8 episodes this series and the finale is a 2 parter. It’s a doctor lite story because ncuti wasn’t available to film as this is the first episode they shot

What are you talking about? The only other time Karla is not a loving mother is when the goblins go back in time and take baby Ruby from the church so Karla never had her in her life to begin with.

I don't really see how feeling the turn of the earth or grand things like that helps you see A. A mine that's literally invisible before you step on it and B. A circle that's literally made of string, a very small and light material that probably doesn't weigh enough to set off a villengard mine. Neither of these were because he 'wasn't paying attention', they were just subtle

I believe Ruby is the embodiment of story or companionship, either way, every story has a message, maybe this one is tread lightly or that sometimes that what you need to see is right under your nose, perhaps giving us insight to the bigger picture of this season and to what Ruby actually is.

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 The point is that he's hyper-aware, always noticing seemingly insignificant details... Just strikes me as odd.

No space babies made more sense

@@curtwall7089 the only episodes I’ve liked so far are Maestro (I know controversial) and Boom 💥

Honestly best episode so far. The others felt really unlike Doctor Who to me. I’m honestly just wondering where the hell the Doctor disappeared after stepping on the circle

@@KuromajikkuGaming what was it about 🧐💭✌🏻🔷🔷🔷🔷

I don't think there's anything clever to work out. It's just ill-concieved shite.

I assumed he raped her

You mean the one who Ruby works with? Roger clearly sexually assaulted her, but he was in such a position of power that she couldn't speak up about it. Ruby realised what had happened, but couldn't do anything at risk of compromising her position close to Roger, as she knew how to stop him and knew she would only get one shot.

My take is it was implied she was sexually assaulted by him inbetween the scene where she first meets her and the scene where she says to Ruby he's a monster She's probably still helping him because of fear of speaking out

It was very clear he sexually assaulted her and she doesn't speak up because he is a man of power.

Honestly I feel like it might be one of RTD's best

pretty low bar then

@@alvadagansta why would you type that. you’re just instigating people to argue with you

14 might have finally died and turned into 15 on the helipad

Then Donna and Mel would be sad and they weren’t mentioned

Kate does say that it’s classified how the world has survived without him. I think she means that 14 and all the other Doctors before 14 have been helping

@@otps8035 but all the doctors before 10 don’t exist because they became him

That would be a very Haunting of Hill House bent neck lady approach, and this episode did give me some vibes of that. But I think in this case there's a simpler explanation. Ruby appears to be in a time loop of sorts so I think either the original old lady is actually a different being of some kind that she replaces the second time, or this is her second or more attempt and she's just more successful this time.

I’m pretty sure she dies, and her “unfinished business” is to stop herself in the past.

Except it’s 66.751 metres sooo not so spooky

@@andymassey8105 But Kate L-S rounded it to 66.7, not 66.8. That suggests the precise distance was 66.666…metres. So spooky after all!

It's a mad world...

YES thank you! Donnie Darko is the perfect example to help explain this episode, I was using Capaldis simulation episode to explain it before but Donnie Darko is so much better.

I thought of Donnie Darko too. I agree, this episode is brilliant!

Yes I agree, a very mature concept for Doctor Who and I loved it.

Alternate reality, if mad Jack would have used the nukes, then that's why Jodie Whittaker and friends went to the alternate Earth in 'Orphan 55". Explanation to that Earth.

I think that Ruby is Susan's granddaughter and therefore she is the Doctor's great-great granddaughter.

@mrsmirnoff8715 Are we all ignoring that the actress that keeps showing up is named SUSAN Twist? If Ruby is Susans kid it would make sense for her to move in next door and show up everywhere.

The key source of my frustration is the ‘twist at the end’. It spoils everything. The figure inducing terror/disgust in anyone it speaks to is a great idea. If the figure had been an unknown entity, a supernatural creature then YES, the concept that it can say something that would cause that reaction, even in Ruby’s own mother, would be brilliant. It was brilliant and creepy whilst watching it. But then the twist absolutely ruins it. The mysterious woman is Ruby! What? That’s makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly as we actually spend a fair amount of time with old Ruby, and she’s lovely. We know for a fact she never learns what has happened or what the woman said. There’s certainly no indication that she’s learned some terrible, forbidden secret that could install terror in any who hear it. We follow old Ruby right up to the moment of her apparent death. So when she magically teleports back to the past, where is she getting this from! What the hell is she saying that causing Ruby’s mum to hate her so much she takes out a restraining order? She isn’t scared of Ruby, she’s not upset that she can’t see her, she clearly hates her. What could old Ruby (who is just Ruby, just older) possibly have said to her that would cause that? More to the point WHY would she be doing that?

It's possible that when Ruby saw her older self this time she thought to look down after the events of Boom and thinking of the Ambulance and saw the string to warn The Doctor.

It's a fairy circle. That's what they do. Try watching Tale Foundry's video on "The Back Rooms". That's where the Doctor went. POV is key here. This is all in Ruby's POV.

I agree, that episode would have been amazing and then the ending ruined everything. It made no sense??? Ruby is supposed to be the haunting figure? But surely she can't be, the creepy woman is played by a different actress, she has long hair (old Ruby has short hair), supernatural powers (like teleportation), and she's making Ruby's life miserable. It would make no sense for Ruby and the haunting figure to be the same person. Maybe Ruby just inhabited that body for a minute in the past? That's not a much better explanation though (no explanation at all). And from what this youtuber says, it looks like even the writers don't know the answers to these questions! The hand movements don't have any meaning, and nothing is meant to be explained (because there was never an explanation for anything in the script). What the hell. It would have been such a good episode, if only they could have written an ending.

​@@CerseiDMThey used a different actor because they can't age millie gibson 70 years just by using makeup. It's not as deep as you think it is. Many movies and shows use different actors when exploring characters past or futures as they don't have the ability to de-age/age the actor who plays them

@@idinoplayz1492 ​ I meant between old Ruby and the haunting figure!!! The Woman is played by Hilary Hobson, and the older version of Ruby is played by Amanda Walker. But it's ok now I finally found what I think is the best explanation for this episode. It's not a time-traveling Ruby haunting herself (that would make no sense), it's a metaphor of her fear of being abandoned because she thinks something is fundamentally wrong with her. She has trauma from being abandoned as her baby, thinks she will be abandoned again and that fear acts as a self-fulfilling prophecies as it pushes people away from her. Only upon her death she gets reconciled with that fear.

We don't know what ruby is, my theory is that people see true form from 73 yards and that's what scares them, notice that they start running after looking back at her

@@apoloartemis9038 yeah that works with the metaphor theory. Ruby thinks there is something fundamentally wrong with her, that will push everyone away when they find out. Since she was abandoned by her own birth mother. That fear is manifesting here, with people looking at her like there IS something really wrong with her that make them flee and hate her. But it's just her fears taking shape - in reality, nothing could be said to her mother that would make her hate her like this.

He says ap after saying AP

It’s one of the easiest Welsh names

I think here a dig at the Quilliam foundation as being secular Islam favouring rather than the radical Islam are the ones always calling out Islamophobia BTW the leader of Quilliam is British born Pakistani .

It's even in a ton of ancient warriors and leaders.

The key source of my frustration is the ‘twist at the end’. It spoils everything. The figure inducing terror/disgust in anyone it speaks to is a great idea. If the figure had been an unknown entity, a supernatural creature then YES, the concept that it can say something that would cause that reaction, even in Ruby’s own mother, would be brilliant. It was brilliant and creepy whilst watching it. But then the twist absolutely ruins it. The mysterious woman is Ruby! What? That’s makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly as we actually spend a fair amount of time with old Ruby, and she’s lovely. We know for a fact she never learns what has happened or what the woman said. There’s certainly no indication that she’s learned some terrible, forbidden secret that could install terror in any who hear it. We follow old Ruby right up to the moment of her apparent death. So when she magically teleports back to the past, where is she getting this from! What the hell is she saying that causing Ruby’s mum to hate her so much she takes out a restraining order? She isn’t scared of Ruby, she’s not upset that she can’t see her, she clearly hates her. What could old Ruby (who is just Ruby, just older) possibly have said to her that would cause that? More to the point WHY would she be doing that?

@@stevetayler9518 Exactly! Thank you, I think you've explained it better than I've managed to so far lol. I do believe there's some sort of supernatural aspect to it, like, she's not just supposed to be older Ruby but also a version of her that was affected by some sort of hex due to breaking the fairy-circle thingy, but yes, that was the biggest thing that wasn't explained well enough imo. I seriously think it would have worked much better without the twist, or if the twist was better expanded on. As it is, it's just needlessly confusing and doesn't actually make sense without us needing to add way too much head-cannon type of lore into it on our own.

If it’s so “simple” please explain to me what happened?

@@captaincoldcuts3997No one can, not even the behind the scenes Dr Who stuff makes sense

​@@jdgjagerbomber9430and we all know that is the common definition of simple. Something that cannot be described by anybody

​@@bennettnez4711 Where the hell did you buy your dictionary? 😶

@@MKR5210 I'm sure if you actually read the whole thread that you are smart enough to figure it out. But if you really need an explainer, I got it at the sarcasm store dingus.

Maybe he binded mad jack to that Prime minister

Mad Jack could have influenced situations or events around a person to be his herald. Could be why other people called the PM, Madjack. And not him calling himself that name. Very believeable that a 20s young man will change to be more mature or wild depending on the circumstances. During the tv interview, he emphasized the 'ap' in his name to mean 'son of'. That could easily spin off into a more deep meaning. Though it was just a deadend storywise.

I love it

I enjoyed it but, I don't understand some things. So the Woman is old Ruby relieving her life backwards as the woman and then stopping the doctor from stepping on the circle right? Why did she become the Woman? Why is she always 73 yards away? how can she "teleport"? What does she do that makes everyone run screaming? Why can't you see her face? What is she doing with her hands? Why did the Doctor disappear? Who is Mad Jack? Why did it take Mad Jack so long to candidate for PM? Why did stepping on the circle make all of this happen? About why everyone screams after going near her, I think it's not because the woman tells them something but maybe they see something in Ruby, or she tells them who ruby really is? They do run screaming only after looking at Ruby. still, so many questions.

@@Resenderrr It’s ok to make up your own mind. I think a big problem is tv viewers expect everything on a plate. Not a criticism just how tv has gone. For me the breaking of the circle curses Ruby to live out her life alone. And because ruby is ‘special’ she comes back at the end of her life to lead her back from this broken time line to save the doctor. ‘Don’t step’ she whispers to her young self just before he steps. She stops the breaking of the circle.

It would be a pretty cool concept to try out one day but I don't think that's the case here. Otherwise in the Church on Ruby Road, when baby Ruby was gone from the timeline, The Doctor also should have disappeared.

@@ethanlawrence5502not if Ruby is a future Doctor

1. Some supernatural stuff, like how Kate says in her scene. 2. Some goofy ahh hands idk 3. Most likely Kate was more determined than the pm 4. Hope was lost 5. Perception filter

1. idk... Maybe the original old ruby isn't old ruby? If it is, it's just timey wimey stuff. 2. I really want to look into those. Like was it sign language? Idk. 3. I think the prime minister resigned because he embarrassed himself in front of everyone/maybe it was just getting scared.

I think Kate withdrew because she understood what was happening, and that it needed to.

All explained by bad writing, the show's writers are rubbish, so they don't think things through and create massive plot holes. They're not sci-fi writers so can't cope with the subject matter.

I feel like number two was some type of sign language signalling 'dont step' or smth, as that was the entire point of old ruby's creation; to stop her old self from breaking the circle.

yeah its mainly RTD that suffers with the landing thing.

@@charg1nmalaz0r51 moffat very much as well. The whole issue is the show has only been ran by 2 close friends for the last 20 years. We need completely fresh writers

@@frewthelookingglass860 We got that during Jodie's era and everyone refused to accept it.

I really don’t get the confusion with this episode. We don’t need everything explained, we are not American. Well written, well paced, bst episode of the series

@@thelair9392 But it didn't make any sense and was full of plot holes. Badly written.

@@thelair9392 I respect your opinion, and I don’t mind some mysteries unanswered, but when nothing was answered it feels incomplete, just a few lines of technobabble at the end would suffice.

@@rozzgrey801 just because something isn’t explained, doesn’t make it a plot hole