‘73 YARDS' ENDING EXPLAINED! [WHO WAS THE WOMAN?+MORE!] DOCTOR WHO EP 4, THINGS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED!

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The Confused Adipose

The Confused Adipose

24 күн бұрын

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Hello KZfaq and People Of the interwebs, are you as baffled as I am about the ending of DOCTOR WHO: 73 YARDS ? Well... here's a few answers... hopefully!
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@judgecagle1377
@judgecagle1377 21 күн бұрын
The Doctor: "Roger ap Gwilliam. The most dangerous Prime Minister in history." Harold Saxon: "Am I a joke to you?"
@TisaneGingembre
@TisaneGingembre 20 күн бұрын
HAHAAHAHAHA
@hiccuphufflepuff176
@hiccuphufflepuff176 20 күн бұрын
Yeah, you'd think he'd mention the Slitheen too...
@griffinschreiber6867
@griffinschreiber6867 20 күн бұрын
"in history". Maybe since the Saxon stuff never happened it doesn't count?
@TheSirSpence
@TheSirSpence 20 күн бұрын
He was never Prime Minister after the time reset.
@justanormalguyy
@justanormalguyy 20 күн бұрын
​@@TheSirSpence he actually was, cause the reset timeline started then when the President was murdered, so Harold Saxon was primeminister at that time
@DriverHenryWho3245
@DriverHenryWho3245 22 күн бұрын
This is one of the first Doctor Who episodes I've watched on release where I really feel like I need an "ending explained" video 😅
@adam_smith_music_
@adam_smith_music_ 22 күн бұрын
Yeah same 😂
@geetee4459
@geetee4459 22 күн бұрын
Nothing ever ends....
@user-ts6wc6fn7m
@user-ts6wc6fn7m 22 күн бұрын
​@@geetee4459 ok ya fr was a bit confused about the whole episode felt kinda lonely without the doctor
@Ashtrodude-mv6eo
@Ashtrodude-mv6eo 22 күн бұрын
It's a "timey wimey" story, virtually by the doctor breaking the seal, it starts a timeline where mad jack is reborn and the doctor is trapped within the curse jack was in, and ruby can only reach herself through her own death cause ruby is stuck in a different curse for reading the notes, who knows how many times this has happened for ruby but finally this version of ruby broke the curse by stopping them both, and can rest in peace. Cause without ruby stopping the doctor stepping the doctor wouldn't have stopped ruby reading the notes, it's a circle it's a head spin, but it's brilliant storytelling
@geetee4459
@geetee4459 22 күн бұрын
There is probably a story about your grandfather - or some person - from history -that you may not understand . But u csn enjoy the ep surely?
@EskoBomb
@EskoBomb 22 күн бұрын
Another coincidence: 14th doctor tells the fake Donna in Wild Blue Yonder that when he's gone the tardis will land at an outcrop by the sea when he dies which is where the tardis was for the entire episode.
@justintlme8763
@justintlme8763 21 күн бұрын
that's not really what is said, just went back and listened. A lot more too it...
@EskoBomb
@EskoBomb 21 күн бұрын
@@justintlme8763 well he was talking about wondering where the tardis goes without him. Yeah he talked about how they built the cities around it and after the cities are going to tardis is still there. But he literally said it ends up in an outcrop And when I googled an outcrop I got images of basically where the tardis was. Obviously that never happened because it was literally only 80 or 90 years that had passed
@justintlme8763
@justintlme8763 21 күн бұрын
@@EskoBomb Gotcha, yeah I just never heard him say anything about him dying.
@EskoBomb
@EskoBomb 21 күн бұрын
@@justintlme8763 true true. Yeah I'm with you there. I was looking for the same when I went back to rewatch it... No yeah he didn't say anything about dying. But I don't think I put that in my original comment for that reason. But yeah it is pretty crazy
@PeerAdder
@PeerAdder 20 күн бұрын
Why would you think that was a coincidence?
@debrahanes4439
@debrahanes4439 22 күн бұрын
The tardis not letting her in makes sense the tardis can hear the old lady and therefore treats her like everyone else with disdain and fear
@stevetayler9518
@stevetayler9518 22 күн бұрын
But why is future Ruby causing people to treat young Ruby like that? How is she doing it?
@evildeed90s
@evildeed90s 22 күн бұрын
@@stevetayler9518 i think we will find out more as the series goes on. i think its more to ruby its kind of like what happened with the doctor and jack when rose brought jack back the doctor ran away with fear and disgust because he became a temporal anomaly a fixed point in time it was never meant to happen i think its sort of the same thing with ruby the old women showed them what she was and who she will become they ran in fear and disgust much like the doctor.
@charliechar__
@charliechar__ 21 күн бұрын
@@evildeed90s Jack explanation only works for time-aware entities i.e a time lord or the TARDIS. Why would a human with zero time awareness be scared if that was the case?
@evildeed90s
@evildeed90s 21 күн бұрын
@@charliechar__ STFU wasnt talking to you. Acting like what i was saying was fact take your toxicness to someone else its called a theory.
@argmentum22
@argmentum22 21 күн бұрын
The Tardis wont let her in because the doctor has disappeared , this was for-shadowed in an earlier episode - and itll sit on a cliff and be worshipped - they’ll build a city round it etc.
@MalfunctionNeo
@MalfunctionNeo 21 күн бұрын
My personal theory, the Doctor didn't disappear, Ruby did... When the Doctor at the start of the episode stepped in the circle, and broke it, he immediately apologised to the circle, however while the Doctor is apologising, Ruby takes and reads a couple of the scrolls, and then as the camera turns back towards the Doctor, we see he has gone. Ruby had to go through the loop to fix the circle as she had broken it, but didn't apologise to fix it in the original incident.
@MalfunctionNeo
@MalfunctionNeo 21 күн бұрын
It also explains why the TARDIS wouldn't let her back in... It's not the TARDIS but a replica made by the circle.
@alejandrogangotena9033
@alejandrogangotena9033 20 күн бұрын
this is the only satisfying answer I ve read so far. Thanks
@shalinimahalingam9064
@shalinimahalingam9064 Күн бұрын
I like this theory as well, it ties things together better than other possibilities. It's so frustrating how there are so many loose ends though. The only issue is that the only reason she didn't pick up the scrolls the second time round is because the doctor told her not to but if it wasn't his act of stepping on it then he should've been able to warn her to not pick up the scrolls the first time round.
@alejandrogangotena9033
@alejandrogangotena9033 Күн бұрын
@@shalinimahalingam9064 deja vu effect
@ThatGuyCalledSteeve
@ThatGuyCalledSteeve 22 күн бұрын
I think this episode will make more sense as the season progresses and we learn more about Ruby. She seems to have some sort of powers which influences her own timeline in some way, first being able to bring snow from her past and now seemingly being able to travel back into her own timeline
@BrumeGhost
@BrumeGhost 21 күн бұрын
that and that woman who is multiple people in her life
@patricgmuer2988
@patricgmuer2988 21 күн бұрын
I really hope that it’ll make more sense, cause right now it doesn’t make sense to me.
@xLionsxxSmithyx
@xLionsxxSmithyx 20 күн бұрын
Just waiting for the Reveal where Ruby's mother is Ruby tbh...
@PeerAdder
@PeerAdder 20 күн бұрын
@@patricgmuer2988 it's not meant to. It's a hook to keep you watching.
@MrKeinoz
@MrKeinoz 19 күн бұрын
I don't think that episode will ever have an explanation. Susan Twist however might.
@DriverHenryWho3245
@DriverHenryWho3245 22 күн бұрын
Leaving what the woman said ambiguous certainly has a lot of potential for some good jokes lol Imagine if she told Gwilliam "don't you think you look tired" and that's why he resigned. If you know, you know. 🤣
@steve-0493
@steve-0493 22 күн бұрын
Dalek voice: Yes,we know who u are!!😂✌️🥃
@gingerfreak01
@gingerfreak01 22 күн бұрын
We all know, Henry. We're all Who nerds on here.
@TehWhiteTiger
@TehWhiteTiger 21 күн бұрын
That would have been a great reference. Sadly watching this episode I can only apply that phrase to RTD....
@martins3776
@martins3776 16 күн бұрын
She told them spoilers :)
@TheMondayVibes
@TheMondayVibes 22 күн бұрын
With the distance question… I believe that the reason old Ruby can’t get closer is because she’s not the guardian of the circle, she’s cursed at both sides. Young Ruby can’t get close to her older self because she read the note and released Mad Jack, older Ruby is forced to never age and warn her younger self, whilst also not being able to get closer because she’s the cause of the curse. Also 73 is the amount of years between the two Ruby’s ages, 19 to 92.
@kosmickosm771
@kosmickosm771 22 күн бұрын
but at the end of the ep old ruby says "i haven't been alone for 65 years" which im guessing is the time she had herself watching her all these years, so i dont think 73 has anything to do with her age
@EvilGuy52
@EvilGuy52 22 күн бұрын
Looking at it from a "magical reason", which seems to be the theme for this season, the Number "7" is the number of "completion, a total encompass of an action/event" while the Number "3" is the number for "harmony and new life". But I also like the idea of it being the "age difference" between the first time young-Ruby spots her, and old-Ruby in that hospital bed finally getting close/becoming the woman-in-the-distance. Back to the magical reason; 7, completion, 3, harmony. By breaking the circle and "releasing Mad Jack", Ruby and the Doctor introduced disharmony to the world and the potential for ending life. Ruby was then (for whatever reason you want to believe) "charged" with making things right, bringing back harmony, and to do so she had to "go the long way around" to Complete the Circle once more and close it, and even--at the end there--keep it from being broken in the first place. Of course it could just be the writers using a pair of dice and rolling them at random during the outline phase. LOL!
@ashleyarias7444
@ashleyarias7444 22 күн бұрын
Time travel 101. You absolutely can't interact with yourself from a different point in your own timeline.
@lunacouer
@lunacouer 21 күн бұрын
@@kosmickosm771 73 yards though is 66.75 meters, which makes way more sense for a UK show. If that theory is true (which I believe it is), she would've been almost 86 when she died.
@davidcarter5038
@davidcarter5038 20 күн бұрын
IIRC, RTD said that he'd spent some time on a pier watching people and working out that 73 yards was the distance at which a person with normal eyesight could no longer make out the features on a face.
@tatsudragneel4761
@tatsudragneel4761 22 күн бұрын
I think the episode is a manifestation of Rubys thoughts of abandonment which was triggered by stepping on the circle. Which is why the Doctor disappeared and the TARDIS shut down. A circle is also how Ruby experiences it, when she dies and becomes the 73 Yards lady she relives the same events but in reverse until she's back at the circle and prevents it from being broken in the first place. A theme also seems to be that no matter how many people leave Ruby she will always be with herself. As for what she told others to make them run away, I agree with RTD, I don't think that's something we need to know. But if I had to put my own idea out there I don't think she necessarily said anything at all. I think because she was a weird time anomaly that was warping peoples perceptions to be blurry and not be noticed, that the people who talked to her had their perceptions of Ruby altered into the manifestation of her abandonment issues. This power may not even be something she consciencely does, but just something that naturally happens due to the nature of her paradoxical existence and the thoughts/emotions she seemingly represents.
@its-a-me--mario
@its-a-me--mario 22 күн бұрын
I love this theory, living by it now~ XD
@frankhughes7551
@frankhughes7551 22 күн бұрын
So the doctor steps on the circle and activates thoughts of abandonment in Ruby?
@TomGoymour
@TomGoymour 22 күн бұрын
Yes. Agreed. This is what it's about and you have explained it very well ... ' I think because she was a weird time anomaly that was warping peoples perceptions to be blurry and not be noticed, that the people who talked to her had their perceptions of Ruby altered into the manifestation of her abandonment issues'. This, or something very close does make perfect sense, given the fact that we will get a bit more clarity from RTD as the series progresses.
@MineCreeperLPs
@MineCreeperLPs 21 күн бұрын
@@frankhughes7551 The doctor doesn't disappear until Ruby reads the notes. I think it is her reading them that triggers it.
@MRKBDY
@MRKBDY 21 күн бұрын
This is what I thought. I've seen someone pointing out that 'Semper Distans' is an anagram of 'missed parents', which backs up that the mysterious figure represents abandonment trauma. All the way through the mysterious figure stops Ruby from maintaining relationships. Sometimes the other person isn't aware of why Ruby is distant and other times the figure intervenes directly - mostly when someone tries to help her. I think what it says or does to those who run away is a manifestation of what Ruby thinks might drive that particular person away from her. She may not be able to say exactly what that is, but she always feels it is there, so the ambiguity and blurred photos represent that. I also think the manifestation is triggered by the Doctor vanishing. Ruby doesn't react as if he's been spirited away. She thinks he's left her ("Maybe this is what you do...."). Even averting the nuclear war doesn't get rid of the figure, so isn't the point of the story. Only when she takes ownership at the end of her life does she get the Doctor back & the figure disappears. I think whatever is said to the crazy Prime Minister might be the truth of her origins / existence, which she isn't aware of consciously but is terrifying enough to cause this power crazy lunatic to run.
@ashleyarias7444
@ashleyarias7444 22 күн бұрын
you know what I just put together? The Doctor really needs to be a bit more careful when he's walking. Walking out of the TARDIS all carefree has not been working out very well for him with the landmine and the fairy circle. The Doctor really needs to start paying attention to where he puts his feet when stepping out of the TARDIS.
@Boltmaiden
@Boltmaiden 19 күн бұрын
Oh my gosh what a good catch! There was also when he stepped on the butterfly!
@vapx0075
@vapx0075 15 күн бұрын
@@Boltmaiden No, he saved the butterfly. It was under HER foot.
@shalinimahalingam9064
@shalinimahalingam9064 Күн бұрын
​@@vapx0075point is that people need to be careful where they step after exiting a TARDIS
@RR4711
@RR4711 22 күн бұрын
The Doctor said at the beginning before breaking the circle that the prime minister led the world to the brink of nuclear war. Only the brink of but not an actual war. When the circle was broken and Mad Jack was released he possessed/influenced the prime minister so the war would actually happen. When Ruby intervened the war didn’t happen they were only on the brink of it. Ruby put the timeline back on the correct track as the war was never supposed to have actually happened. The Doctor at the start also called the prime minister “dangerous” instead of evil, if the war was supposed to happen The Doctor would have called him evil (dangerous is just a potential for something bad as the brink of war is dangerous). Ruby didn’t change the timeline she prevented a war that actually was never supposed to happen.
@kieranmoore8501
@kieranmoore8501 22 күн бұрын
I actually really like the fact that there's so much we don't know. My reading of what the woman said to people is basically whatever she needed to say to that individual to make them shun Ruby so she'd be alone her whole life in order to fulfill her task. That makes it particularly sad if you then take into account that it's Ruby herself saying awful things to people like her mother to make her abandon her.
@babs5968
@babs5968 22 күн бұрын
So why did Gwilliam run ?
@kieranmoore8501
@kieranmoore8501 22 күн бұрын
@@babs5968 could be all sorts of things. My guess would be she threatened to expose what was happening with the young lady who got an invite to the party. For obvious reasons that part of the story was downplayed.
@kingryanarthur
@kingryanarthur 22 күн бұрын
I think it wasn't future Ruby, but rather passed-away Ruby. The whole hospital room felt like a setup for her dying, as did her reaching towards her older self...or merging finally with her dead self. She was being followed by the ghost of her future self the whole time. People ran, like they had just seen a ghost. They always looked back at Ruby before running, perhaps with a stone cold realization that she was indeed Ruby's ghost. They also acted as if in a trance of some sort, scared. Maybe, as death, she said she would take them with her. Though, gwilliam and the minister both said, "ask her." What could she have said that they couldn't say? If it was a mystical thing, maybe it was just a supernatural stirring of their souls with their deepeat fears or something. It almost felt like she didn't actually say something to each person. If she did say something, maybe it was about the importance of Ruby's task, or they were shown a world torn by nuclear desolation.
@scottn2046
@scottn2046 21 күн бұрын
Almost a walking talking Pyschic Paper ??? !!
@ceesmith
@ceesmith 20 күн бұрын
@@kieranmoore8501 It may be just that he took advantage of Marti in the same way as he looked across at Ruby earlier. Marti did say he was a monster, so she already knew what he was like.
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 22 күн бұрын
Was anyone else surprised when they discovered that this episode was hated/disliked by most audiences? Like, to me it's one of RTD's best, I LOVED it.
@otps8035
@otps8035 22 күн бұрын
Same!
@janetwebster5099
@janetwebster5099 22 күн бұрын
Ditto. Church had too much Trans Stuff ( as did specials sadly), Babies was just DUMB as F, Chord dumb as F plus too much Gay... Boom was not Terrible, but still a bit Fu*ked. 73 YARDS on the other hand is actually ( shockingly) GOOD! REALLY GOOD! 😂😂😂😂😂
@appalachianpatriot1796
@appalachianpatriot1796 22 күн бұрын
Yep. I felt Moffat did this with Peter’s run and Chris tried it but failed. Start weak, loose casual fans, come back with amazing stories for the actual whovians.
@evildeed90s
@evildeed90s 22 күн бұрын
i thought it was alright ncuti gatwa grown on me now the first few episodes i was a bit unsure of him but now im confident he can carry any story. Its nice to have my show back that woman doctor was pile of shit
@MementoMoriv2
@MementoMoriv2 21 күн бұрын
@@janetwebster5099jeez wanna insult any more minorities while your at it?
@thekueken
@thekueken 22 күн бұрын
I ended the episode exclaiming a loud "Huh?!?" so here I am. Problem, that the Doctor mentions the bad Walsh person (for his nuclear war instigations) BEFORE stepping on the circle, even in the second version before being stopped from breaking it, is a huge one. Yeah, sure we can justify it off-screen that he knows of various timelines... Except, he doesn't. He knows the history that is and always gets really anxious when he *might* change the known history. He's okay with making smaller, often personal and individual level changes or things that didn't make it into the history books (or maybe he hasn't read about it yet), but something like a nuclear war is a pretty big thing. We may find out later on how Ruby affects the Doctor, why that leads to him vanishing (to the point of the Tardis becoming inert), and maybe that is related to the distance, too, as well what the old Ruby made others feel (apparently she did not talk to them?) in the upcoming episodes... But I don't really bank any money on that... Thank you for trying to answer the open questions, but the only comfort I got is that I did not miss anything and am not alone with this feeling... Still, I count this personally as one of the better episodes this season. Kate coming ins had me cheer and her leaving Ruby completely alone hit that much harder, devastatingly. Wished, they had Ruby stutter a bit less (while always a bit bubbly, she was portrayed much more competent even before she really met the Doctor) but overall great performances, in a "Doctor-Light" episode.
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 22 күн бұрын
I don't think it's a plothole that he knows about Gwilliams before stepping on the circle. Pretty sure the point of the episode is that the timeline they start in is the one where he did step on the circle but Ruby didn't have the 73 yards woman, and the timeline they end in is the one where he didn't step on the circle, and the entire middle of the episode is dedicated to this new timeline the 73 yards woman created. We're almost certainly gonna discover more about this episode in retrospect this season, probably that Ruby is able to go back into her own timeline and that's what the woman is
@arion1633
@arion1633 22 күн бұрын
I was kind of shocked when Kate also run off. I mean, the people who worked for / with her told her what they saw/heard and based on that Kate, of all people, she run off. And she was so prepared and I thought if anyone could help Ruby would be Kate. And now all the speculations in the all the comments in this video is making me think, is Ruby gonna be something like River / Clara 🤔
@abhinavs8109
@abhinavs8109 22 күн бұрын
the doctor is a complex space time event even if you don't consider timeless child cannon, he can remember multiple timelines. I think Ruby is also the same considering there is something supernatural about her.
@thekueken
@thekueken 21 күн бұрын
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 That's some good points, and I will c&p a little something I wrote in another comment response on this video, for further consideration (based on my understanding of the show so far, previous episodes, even within this season thus far): "[...]stepping into the circle has nothing or should not have anything to do with the war or not, given that the Doctor doesn't know several timelines, and his perception is locked (like he locked Ruby from changing the timeline by stepping on butterflies or even when he enters an altered future, his memory doesn't change, he still only "knew" the timeline with music, the dystopian warzone was unknown to him even if he can make an educated guess of what lead to it; as just re-established two episodes prior)... Unless he is part of the change (saving Peter Capaldi's character in Pompeii), but even then he is very careful his own changes are relatively small scale (lesson learnt from Waters of Mars) - or he had no prior knowledge of the established/written history. The elderly Lady in the pub, even though she had been mocking Ruby, did say some true things. For one, the fairy circle did have some important significance. But she also mentioned the placement, the top of the cliffs, between the land and sea, being a crossroads or gateway of sorts. ...Irish and Gaelic folklore do have a whole lot of timetravel elements. Caves and lakes and seasonal portals at the sea take protagonists of those tales through time, future and past. So my take is, that the circle itself was from that future, a rip in time of sorts, that started bleeding when being stepped on, affecting both Ruby and the Doctor, and the bleeding's effect only "stopping" when Ruby prevented the Doctor from breaking it. The bleeding resulted in a closed loop; it may even be we only saw one version, the one where Ruby managed to stop the war, survive herself to unlock her own time-travel abilities at old age and warn her younger self. There may have been many unseen ones, where Ruby never aged that old, died in the nuclear war and never could warn herself and upon her unnatural death returned at the moment of the Doctor stepping into the circle... ("Turn left" is a bit similar to this episode, is it not? Oh, the importance of companions!) Whether the latter is feasible, what we've seen, Ruby's own time travel does not affect the circle itself nor its origin. The war will still happen. ....I would think, that a time portal bleeding out might at least somewhat explain how a Time Lord suddenly vanished to the point of his loyal Tardis going completely inert. Where he vanished to, how exactly it affected him, we will never know... Just like in those folklores the protagonist's fellows only ever see them vanish..." The above is entirely under the assumption that Mad Jack is indeed Roger (and not some sprit/entity possessing him, which... He wasn't even near the circle when it got disrupted and the Doctor mentioned him for the nuclear war before that, so...) and not anyone else, but also, as described, in line with the folklore time travel aspect.
@mickieg1994
@mickieg1994 20 күн бұрын
The episode was terribly written in my opinion, it's pretty clear there was no intention of actually finishing the plot because they didn't know how to. Even if they try to explain in another episode, it will still be bad writing as the episode now cannot stand on its own. But hey, we got rid of gatwa for a while so that was a win.
@MystM
@MystM 22 күн бұрын
Without a doubt its Ruby in a liminal space. The Doctor dissappears for directly breaking the circle and Ruby ends up in a loop (liminal space) cause she read the note and became part of it. Ruby says she's been to Wales three times and The Doctor mentions the priminister before the circle is broken, that's just the time resetting or revirbarating back out from this event, that's why Old Ruby also appears one last time before dissappearing. There's an overlap to the circle resetting.
@superevilvillain
@superevilvillain 22 күн бұрын
I've seen other people mention this, but my new headcanon is that Roger ap Gwilliam is the future "Minister of War" that is briefly name-dropped as a future enemy of the Doctor in Before the Flood.
@josephcooter5763
@josephcooter5763 22 күн бұрын
73 yards is exactly one yard per year between the time the Doctor disapears and the Time Ruby shows up to save the day. Ruby is 19 when the Doctor disappears. And she is 92 when she goes back to save the day.
@prof.evilpictures8696
@prof.evilpictures8696 22 күн бұрын
No she’s not, she says the woman has been following her for 65 years, so she would be 84 at the end
@josephcooter5763
@josephcooter5763 22 күн бұрын
@@prof.evilpictures8696 yes but that's when she visits the Tardis. A few more years pass before she's on her deathbed. So She would be in her 90's.
@Logan_alexander_gaming
@Logan_alexander_gaming 22 күн бұрын
What about the time she moved back exactly 73 yards, so Mad Jack would resign?
@coolerkerl8469
@coolerkerl8469 22 күн бұрын
​@@josephcooter5763no she says the 65 years line in her death bed
@josephcooter5763
@josephcooter5763 22 күн бұрын
@@Logan_alexander_gaming That, I think was something that came out of left field as far as I was concerned. I didn't think she had the power to do that.
@Pooter-it4yg
@Pooter-it4yg 21 күн бұрын
I don't think this was particularly complicated. It's a time loop ghost story (people being their own ghosts is as old as the genre). As ghost stories go it's actually quite logical. The apparition isn't trying to get the circle repaired, it's there to do precisely what Ruby uses it for when the time comes. Ruby inevitably learns that it can't be destroyed and drives away anyone it communicates with, so she figures out its purpose. There are some time jumps that aren't specified so I think the distance between them in yards is the same as in years when the apparition was created (by breaking the circle and Ruby taking on the "curse"). Ruby would therefore be 91 when she dies - the actress who plays her is definitely in her 90s, not her 80s (it's okay that at your age, you can't tell the difference). When she dies, she becomes the ghost that has haunted herself, hence the power to terrify people. The indistinctness of her appearance is a manifestation of the indistinctness of memory. Ap Gwylim was always going to be PM in the future and nearly cause war, the created and averted time line is the one in which he actually does. The circle is a general ward against evil, the message pertains to the specific evil of Mad Jack's possible future and turns the reader into an agent to defeat him. Incidentally, this is the second literal butterfly effect. Chance and consequences seem to be tied to Ruby.
@Anni6758
@Anni6758 20 күн бұрын
This is a great explanation! Genuinely the first time it clicked for me thank you! There is still one thing I can't get my head around. Ruby seems to realise what the whole thing is for when talking to Marti. She says something along the lines of 'i'm sorry, i had to be sure' - what was that? What clicked for her? What was she now sure of? What did Marti have to do with it all? Do you have any thoughts?
@Vas175
@Vas175 19 күн бұрын
​@@Anni6758She is now sure he is going to nuke the world since she got the info of the specific date he will get the codes to the nuclear weapons.
@Pooter-it4yg
@Pooter-it4yg 19 күн бұрын
@@Anni6758 Hm, yes her. Didn't need to be there at all so will probably be "ta da" significant later. Maybe she'll turn out to be River Song's left kidney or something... Typical of modern writing. It's like bad detective fiction where it turns out that the scullery maid from scene one did it. The expected reaction is "oh I should have noticed her when she was clearing the plates". The actual reaction is usually "was I supposed to count the number of bloody spoons?" I used to set crosswords - you can be tricky but you have to be fair. It's the same principle.
@juanbell2732
@juanbell2732 22 күн бұрын
Thank you for the explanation/review!! 🤗
@arion1633
@arion1633 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for this! I'm still confused but the video and the comments from others started to fill in some gaps for me! 🙏🏻
@revitalisestudios1930
@revitalisestudios1930 22 күн бұрын
I have a feeling this will all come back in the finale, especially what the old woman said to scare people off Ruby. The middle episode is always the one that sets up the finale, e.g Fugitive Of The Judoon
@b.l.999
@b.l.999 22 күн бұрын
Yes, "Turn left" was a complete episode, that is probably part of the whole story arc.
@Kuchiri
@Kuchiri 22 күн бұрын
I just finished watching. I think the Doctor knew this time loop was going to happen. Which is why he gave Ruby the hint. I don't think breaking the circle actually released Mad Jack. I think part of the episode is how everyone making up stories to cover up the idea of Death. That is what the pub scene was about when they scared Ruby. That is why when after Ruby stopped Gwilliam nothing happened and death was still there and Ruby had to wait and be abandoned for another 40 years. As Beetlejuice on broadway says. THIS IS A STORY ABOUT DEATH.
@db7541
@db7541 19 күн бұрын
Something RTD said helped me make a little sense of this episode. The Doctor and Ruby break the circle, which because of Wild Blue Yonder has consequences, and basically the circle that contains Mad Jack and stops him is broken which is why he’s free, but also it reacts and forces Ruby to fix her mistake, a life of penance as it were. So she stops him, resetting the timeline to its original version where he’s dangerous and brings the world to the brink but it doesn’t actually happen, then she becomes the woman in her old age. But because she’s fixed the timeline the circle can somehow release her, because she’s paid the price and stopped Mad Jack, so it lets her go and alllows the older version to prevent the circle ever being broken. But that’s only possible because she did stop him in the stadium. As for why everyone runs away and why the woman can’t be focussed in photos, I see that as the circle acting both to stop Ruby figuring it out, punish her by taking away her Mother and UNIT, but also in so doing offer the solution she uses in the stadium. But yeah that’s the best I can do, there’s not enough in the actual episode to confirm that but equally I think it can work with everything shown.
@dylansimkins3040
@dylansimkins3040 20 күн бұрын
Thanks I was waiting for someone to analyse this
@IsiahBradley
@IsiahBradley 22 күн бұрын
THANKS for this!!!! Great explanation on Mad Jack's timeline!!! I agree with you that this episode does push the idea of Ruby's godhood. (Man, this season finale better explain *a lot* ....)
@zemoxian
@zemoxian 22 күн бұрын
I don’t think it matters what she actually says. Whatever happens there’s a deep rooted psychological connection made that makes anyone in her presence uncomfortable enough to run for the hills. There’s nothing purely vocal that would make a mother abandon her child, UNIT pack up and leave behind a supernatural mystery, or an evil Prime Minister just pack up shop, resign and retire. It’s a bit like seeing Lucifer’s devil face. You’re not just looking at a weird looking face. That reaction would just being startled by the face change and asking if he needed help or what the hell did that to him. People seeing his face are having a soul transforming experience … a revelation of sorts that gives them true knowledge of the nature of his and their reality. So I think something similar is happening with the woman. They walk up to her and they get the sudden understanding that Ruby is cursed and it unravels their personality where they just have to get away from her. That’s all that matters to them.
@brenanholston6389
@brenanholston6389 20 күн бұрын
Thank you for this breakdown!
@jonathanlarose3231
@jonathanlarose3231 22 күн бұрын
I love it. Thank you!
@catflap7980
@catflap7980 22 күн бұрын
Roger Ap Gwilliam is elected PM 22 years after the circle is broken, not 40 years later.
@ultimativerHexer
@ultimativerHexer 22 күн бұрын
If we knew, what the woman says, we would all run away. That would not be that good for viewer ratings, would it.
@gryffin932
@gryffin932 22 күн бұрын
Loved the video!
@joshuarubin3684
@joshuarubin3684 22 күн бұрын
Great episode, great commentary
@toyloliSpare
@toyloliSpare 22 күн бұрын
Also 73 yard Ruby is a clear tribute to the watcher at the end of Tom Baker's era. She is literally her future self.
@frankj10000
@frankj10000 22 күн бұрын
The watcher was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that woman, just standing there in the distance the same way as him.
@benllewellyn297
@benllewellyn297 21 күн бұрын
But at least the Watcher was well explained at the end. This was just a mess.
@StevenHouse1980
@StevenHouse1980 22 күн бұрын
It was a Pocket Paradox timeline.
@geoffreyblackmer
@geoffreyblackmer 22 күн бұрын
Ran across this video from the Great Algorithm. And for once, I'm very pleased. Very well done and presented. Adorable, smart, with a good voice, and thoughtful analysis. I also appreciate the depth of knowledge you have about the whole series. ❤ I will definitely be subscribing.
@qyntifex
@qyntifex 21 күн бұрын
i ended this episode and desperately wanted an analysis/explanation/theory video because i was super confused and thought the discourse on this episode would be super interesting. thank you for coming through!
@Mithcoriel
@Mithcoriel 22 күн бұрын
We gonna talk about the fact that the old woman hiking (the first person scared away) seems to be the same actress as the ambulance that kills people in the future? There's some bad wolf stuff going on there..
@ShorTMan0787
@ShorTMan0787 22 күн бұрын
The actress is Susan Twist. She appeared in several episodes as different characters since at least the 2nd 60th special. She was at the beginning in the Isaac Newton part. She also was in the devil's cord, boom, and now 73 yards. I don't know what's up with that, but I guess "there's always a twist at the end".
@ShorTMan0787
@ShorTMan0787 22 күн бұрын
I think she was in space babies, too. Just for a second or two on a screen.
@shaunmoore681
@shaunmoore681 22 күн бұрын
The Doctor did say "there's always a Twist" in episode 2. The first Doctors granddaughter is also called Susan and is referenced in the same episode, but I'm really over reaching now!
@vortexalliance9938
@vortexalliance9938 22 күн бұрын
4:07 Actually it isn't cause nuclear war stuff still happens cause the Doctor still mentions it at the end and cause Ruby not there to stop him now, the war will happen.
@elaine_of_shalott6587
@elaine_of_shalott6587 22 күн бұрын
He says that before both Rubies manage to stop him from breaking the circle.
@thekueken
@thekueken 22 күн бұрын
I agree; stepping into the circle has nothing or should not have anything to do with the war or not, given that the Doctor doesn't know several timelines, and his perception is locked (like he locked Ruby from changing the timeline by stepping on butterflies or even when he enters an altered future, his memory doesn't change, he still only "knew" the timeline with music, the dystopian warzone was unknown to him even if he can make an educated guess of what lead to it; as just re-established two episodes prior)... Unless he is part of the change (saving Peter Capaldi's character in Pompeii), but even then he is very careful his own changes are relatively small scale (lesson learnt from Waters of Mars) - or he had no prior knowledge of the established/written history. The elderly Lady in the pub, even though she had been mocking Ruby, did say some true things. For one, the fairy circle did have some important significance. But she also mentioned the placement, the top of the cliffs, between the land and sea, being a crossroads or gateway of sorts. ...Irish and Gaelic folklore do have a whole lot of timetravel elements. Caves and lakes and seasonal portals at the sea take protagonists of those tales through time, future and past. So my take is, that the circle itself was from that future, a rip in time of sorts, that started bleeding when being stepped on, affecting both Ruby and the Doctor, and the bleeding's effect only "stopping" when Ruby prevented the Doctor from breaking it. The bleeding resulted in a closed loop; it may even be we only saw one version, the one where Ruby managed to stop the war, survive herself to unlock her own time-travel abilities at old age and warn her younger self. There may have been many unseen ones, where Ruby never aged that old, died in the nuclear war and never could warn herself and upon her unnatural death returned at the moment of the Doctor stepping into the circle... ("Turn left" is a bit similar to this episode, is it not? Oh, the importance of companions!) Whether the latter is feasible, what we've seen, Ruby's own time travel does not affect the circle itself nor its origin. The war will still happen. ....I would think, that a time portal bleeding out might at least somewhat explain how a Time Lord suddenly vanished to the point of his loyal Tardis going completely inert. Where he vanished to, how exactly it affected him, we will never know... Just like in those folklores the protagonist's fellows only ever see them vanish...
@dandanod
@dandanod 22 күн бұрын
He actually doesn't say about the nuclear missiles at the end, just he's a terrible PM 😊
@xaz9211
@xaz9211 22 күн бұрын
@@dandanod What does PM mean is I can ask?
@MesserJackII
@MesserJackII 22 күн бұрын
Maybe the war will stop by the doctor in the future. Maybe he heard about the nuclear war, but so far he didnt experience.So Ruby manages to save the doctor, that maybe includes that she has to survive until she is very old. For me is the biggest question: doctor where? Was he dead? (but where is his corpse?) Had he never existed? (makes no sense, the tardis is there) Did he escape? (makes also no sense: without the tardis we would see him...maybe a teleporter or something else. but the woman is 73 yards away and he couldn't hear what she says. Ok the tardis could translate the sign language of the old ruby / old lady, so he wants run, but why he doesnt use the tardis? because the tardis has switched off instead to run away. So the doctor uses a teleporter or something else, what he has randomly in his pockets?) This sounds unlikely and destroys my first theory that the Doctor needs to be saved to prevent the world war, but it could be true. The episode won't let me sleep today.
@seanboxer1521
@seanboxer1521 22 күн бұрын
Great review
@StupidKidsTM
@StupidKidsTM 21 күн бұрын
Hey! Love the content, massive fan 😎 thought I’d comment to help you get a few bob 😉 any more thoughts on the tricksters theory? Or should say Joe’s theory 😂
@olb3587
@olb3587 22 күн бұрын
An interesting point I didn't notice until my friend pointed it out: Roger ap Gwilliam was mentioned by the doctor, and was already a prime minister in 2046 that led the country to the brink of nuclear war, so we theorised that the spirit of Mad Jack was released in the alternate reality and "possessed" Roger ap Gwilliam in such a way that he would have actually started that nuclear war, or that the change was created when Ruby spoke to him, introducing him to Marti, which would've somehow made him more likely to start the war.
@jordanmcculloch1169
@jordanmcculloch1169 22 күн бұрын
Have you talked about Ruby recognising Susan twist character?? That was a key point I feel
@constancecampbell4610
@constancecampbell4610 22 күн бұрын
Such a fun episode. I was on the edge of my seat, but I wanted more info. 🤷‍♀️
@SUPERSpaceBar123
@SUPERSpaceBar123 19 күн бұрын
Keep it up brother
@rafayetrahmanratul1059
@rafayetrahmanratul1059 22 күн бұрын
The old Ruby was 82/83 years old, not 80. They went exactly 62 years into the future, 2024 to 2046 and then 40 more years. Roger ap Gwilliam still existed when Doctor broke the fairy circle. But as the episode said, Mad Jack was released when that happened and probably influenced Roger ap Gwilliam. The timeline of what happened in the episode probably happened inside the fairy circle, a contained story there, keeping Mad Jack there. But how Doctor knows what happened in an abandoned, fairy tale timeline is complex. In the Ruby said, she came to Wales 3 times before, but can only count 2 instances, 3rd one is in that circle timeline. But they all have some distant memory of it. Like a perception filter around that story, its there, but not quite there. Which was also the theme of the story and was explained too.
@martinfoote8224
@martinfoote8224 22 күн бұрын
camera seemed to linger on Kate's red nails in a couple of shots.
@otps8035
@otps8035 22 күн бұрын
Maybe she was the one who picked up the Master in the tooth
@martinfoote8224
@martinfoote8224 22 күн бұрын
@@otps8035 that's what i was thinking- maybe Unit want to study it to find out more about the gods- maybe they'll even free the Master and try and do a deal
@ianmoore4832
@ianmoore4832 22 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@mohammednihaal5943
@mohammednihaal5943 22 күн бұрын
I love your videos
@granvillesimmons6033
@granvillesimmons6033 22 күн бұрын
If you are a fan of films like Donnie Darko, you will understand this episode. An alternate timeline is generated to both save the world from Mad Jack and reunite Ruby with The Doctor, and Ruby has to live out her life in that alternate timeline in order for it to happen. At the end, the alternate timeline fades and dissolves, much as it did in Donnie Darko. But who set all this in motion? It is subtly suggested that it is the Faery Folk. And why not? Brilliant episode.
@d.sfilms7677
@d.sfilms7677 22 күн бұрын
It's a mad world...
@simchar4263
@simchar4263 22 күн бұрын
YES thank you! Donnie Darko is the perfect example to help explain this episode, I was using Capaldis simulation episode to explain it before but Donnie Darko is so much better.
@elektralyte1
@elektralyte1 22 күн бұрын
I thought of Donnie Darko too. I agree, this episode is brilliant!
@sampitcher
@sampitcher 22 күн бұрын
Yes I agree, a very mature concept for Doctor Who and I loved it.
@syzygycalalignment
@syzygycalalignment 13 күн бұрын
Alternate reality, if mad Jack would have used the nukes, then that's why Jodie Whittaker and friends went to the alternate Earth in 'Orphan 55". Explanation to that Earth.
@Noname13550
@Noname13550 22 күн бұрын
I didnt like this episode the reason why is yes mystery is good but there was zero payoff . Too many plot holes . We never know what she said and why is it making it making people change that badly . This episode is too vauge to the point i disliked this episode the most outta all of modern who . I loved midnight and that explained nothing but it was a good episode this i felt was the worst or at least one of the worst and how not to do a vauge mysterious episode . I feel like it had potential to be amazing but how they excuted it was bad. I know im in the clear minority and this is simply my opinion .
@MKR5210
@MKR5210 22 күн бұрын
You are right though. This story just gives pompous asses the ability to pontificate about how smart they are and tell everyone what it actually means, although they are all different.... That's how you know the plot holes are simply that, massive holes that the self congratulating narcissistic Who "experts" can fill with whatever word salad garbage they desire 🤦
@vapx0075
@vapx0075 15 күн бұрын
@@MKR5210 Philosophy and the range of human experience and feelings not for you. Got it.
@jamiedude1197
@jamiedude1197 22 күн бұрын
Loved this episode
@rudyclarkejohnson4625
@rudyclarkejohnson4625 22 күн бұрын
This was a very mysterious and intriguing episode that I very much liked!
@rebekkahill4664
@rebekkahill4664 22 күн бұрын
I didn't get the impression that the old woman was literally ruby, and instead thought when ruby's physical body died her spirit got passed onto her, almost like reincarnation.
@justintlme8763
@justintlme8763 21 күн бұрын
I think it was just her as a ghost...
@lic3d127
@lic3d127 18 күн бұрын
@@justintlme8763a ghost that everyone could see.. i dont think so
@justintlme8763
@justintlme8763 18 күн бұрын
@@lic3d127 not everyone could see it. They said she was basically there but like you didn’t always really notice her.
@justintlme8763
@justintlme8763 18 күн бұрын
Similar to “the silence” but not.
@anthonyfisher-7090
@anthonyfisher-7090 22 күн бұрын
I feel like this needed to be a 2 parter. I think the first part needed to maybe end with the mad jack/pm. The second being taking him down and growing old. We needed a bit more explanation of at the end with the Doctor and maybe more of Unit. It feels like the episode did alot but nothing.
@cking5530
@cking5530 22 күн бұрын
Why more UNIT? They weren’t able to do anything even though Kate was confident they could and it showed that Ruby was really in her own
@anthonyfisher-7090
@anthonyfisher-7090 22 күн бұрын
@cking5530 I just feel that they could have had an extra few minutes of screen time ya know rather then the extremely clumsy way they handled it. Maybe a scene at unit HQ. Maybe Unit thinking rather then arresting the woman Maybe take Ruby to unit HQ since the woman is always 73 yards away, then things go pear-shaped from there. But this is I'm ideal canon where it would have been a 2 part episode.
@mohzayd1234
@mohzayd1234 22 күн бұрын
It didn’t need to be 2 parts. There’s only 8 episodes this series and the finale is a 2 parter. It’s a doctor lite story because ncuti wasn’t available to film as this is the first episode they shot
@holyome
@holyome 22 күн бұрын
For anyone confused about this brilliant episode: The lady in black was Ruby herself. She dies of old age at the end of the episode, but once she dies her ghost starts moving backwards through time (kinda like Tenet) staying at 73 yards from herself, up to the point she first arrives on the cliff with the Doctor. A recurrent theme throughout this season is how many superstitions have been given real power ever since 14 used the salt trick at the edge of creation. In the beginning of the episode, while speaking about a terrible prime minister from the future, the Doctor steps on a fairy circle which was apparently binding "Mad Jack", causing the Doctor to disappear. And Ruby begins to be haunted by her ghost which always keeps a distance of 73 yards from her but other people can approach but when they talk to her they begin to fear Ruby and retreat from her but also from the world. It is later revealed that this prime minister the Doctor was talking about goes by the nickname Mad Jack and is hell bent on launching nukes (whether the pm himself is Mad Jack itself or Mad Jack is acting through the prime minister is up to debate I think). Ruby realises she has to stop him and she does by placing her ghost next to him (by standing at 73 yards from him, the exact distance she was about to get shot by the PMs security), causing him to resign retreat from the world. In the end Ruby dies, but her spirit goes backwards through time, keeping the same distance from Ruby up to the point where she arrives on the cliff with the Doctor, and she makes her past self stop the Doctor from stepping on the circle, never releasing Mad Jack and stopping this whole alternate timeline from happening, in turn stopping her ghost from ever existing, causing it to disappear.
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 22 күн бұрын
This is a synopsis not an explanation ✌🏻🔷
@ethanjohnson3642
@ethanjohnson3642 22 күн бұрын
​@@CashelOConnolly yup
@user-gj9uq3kb7y
@user-gj9uq3kb7y 22 күн бұрын
so an ancient evil spiri from the past reincarnates again becomes PM and gets scared by a ghost really now come on that's stupid
@thunderfyrekinggaming2243
@thunderfyrekinggaming2243 22 күн бұрын
She died no she didn’t
@stevetayler9518
@stevetayler9518 22 күн бұрын
The key source of my frustration is the ‘twist at the end’. It spoils everything. The figure inducing terror/disgust in anyone it speaks to is a great idea. If the figure had been an unknown entity, a supernatural creature then YES, the concept that it can say something that would cause that reaction, even in Ruby’s own mother, would be brilliant. It was brilliant and creepy whilst watching it. But then the twist absolutely ruins it. The mysterious woman is Ruby! What? That’s makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly as we actually spend a fair amount of time with old Ruby, and she’s lovely. We know for a fact she never learns what has happened or what the woman said. There’s certainly no indication that she’s learned some terrible, forbidden secret that could install terror in any who hear it. We follow old Ruby right up to the moment of her apparent death. So when she magically teleports back to the past, where is she getting this from! What the hell is she saying that causing Ruby’s mum to hate her so much she takes out a restraining order? She isn’t scared of Ruby, she’s not upset that she can’t see her, she clearly hates her. What could old Ruby (who is just Ruby, just older) possibly have said to her that would cause that? More to the point WHY would she be doing that?
@gwenthomas2530
@gwenthomas2530 18 күн бұрын
it's the mid season episode and these episodes are usually relevant to the overall arc of the sries (eg. the long game introducing satellite 5, rise of the cybermen / the age of steel introducing the cybermen for the finale) so it might be explained in the finele or at least be a bit more relevant
@kingboarhog
@kingboarhog 22 күн бұрын
I was on the edge of my seat and fully anxious throughout. Larger questions aside, in 2005, The Doctor said he could feel everything, including the turn of the Earth... But the last two episodes plots hinged on him stepping on something because he wasn't paying attention...
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 22 күн бұрын
I don't really see how feeling the turn of the earth or grand things like that helps you see A. A mine that's literally invisible before you step on it and B. A circle that's literally made of string, a very small and light material that probably doesn't weigh enough to set off a villengard mine. Neither of these were because he 'wasn't paying attention', they were just subtle
@UnitedAcolyte
@UnitedAcolyte 22 күн бұрын
I believe Ruby is the embodiment of story or companionship, either way, every story has a message, maybe this one is tread lightly or that sometimes that what you need to see is right under your nose, perhaps giving us insight to the bigger picture of this season and to what Ruby actually is.
@kingboarhog
@kingboarhog 21 күн бұрын
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 The point is that he's hyper-aware, always noticing seemingly insignificant details... Just strikes me as odd.
@SallyLovejoy
@SallyLovejoy 22 күн бұрын
I've been watching Doctor Who since 1963. You can imagine how many times I've been left confused. The answer is always the same........it's because it's Doctor Who! (You're welcome!)
@alyh9568
@alyh9568 21 күн бұрын
It never occurred to me that the creepy woman was Ruby! Why did the Doctor disappear? To me that's the biggest question. Where did he go? Will that be revealed in another episode or is it more stand alone? Love your channel and your use of Adipose in your name!
@vapx0075
@vapx0075 15 күн бұрын
It's a fairy circle. That's what they do. Try watching Tale Foundry's video on "The Back Rooms". That's where the Doctor went. POV is key here. This is all in Ruby's POV.
@gerarddominus35
@gerarddominus35 22 күн бұрын
I like your ideas
@kbg12ila
@kbg12ila 22 күн бұрын
I think the overall point of this episode was Ruby being punished for breaking the circle/the circle makers way of fixing the circle (i think the doctor went away because he also was abandoned and had his own 73 yards journey. He is also abandoned by the tardis.) It punished Ruby by haunting her deepest insecurities of abandonment, and only fixed everything after punishing her. Everyone inexplicably runs away from her and Ruby is left not knowing why, and that is directly linked to her being abandoned as a child and her not having found her mother/having found out why she was abandoned. Its not explained on purpose. The woman is always 73 yards away because it means the only companion left in Rubys life is someone who's "always distant". So far away Ruby can't even see their face. The politician thing/mad jack thing was just a coincidence. Ruby thought it would fix things but it didnt and had nothing to do with it. The problem was only fixed maybe when Ruby realised she was always abandoned but never alone, because there was always one person with her... And right at the end she realised it was herself.
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 22 күн бұрын
The Doctor broke the circle 🙄🔷
@mrcritical6751
@mrcritical6751 22 күн бұрын
@@CashelOConnollyyeah but Ruby read the notes, she got punished for that
@DeusLucifer
@DeusLucifer 22 күн бұрын
@@mrcritical6751 this is so dumb even the so called villian i have no idea what wrong he did and this entire ep is a paradox as non of the even happened if old ruby prevented young ruby from letting the doctor destroy the so called circle
@mrcritical6751
@mrcritical6751 22 күн бұрын
@@DeusLucifer he sexually assaulted Marti!
@briangonigal3974
@briangonigal3974 22 күн бұрын
I admit, I've never actually seen Logopolis and everything I know about it is in relation to the oddities involving the Fourth Doctor's regeneration, but it immediately upon the end of this ep. it struck me that the old woman seemed to be acting very much like "The Watcher" from Logopolis: apparently all through that final Fourth Doctor story, the Doctor & companions repeatedly spot a strange, indistinct white figure off in the distance just watching them, until the end when the Doctor is lying on the ground dying, the figure suddenly approaches and merges with the Doctor, triggering his regeneration into Five. As this is happening on of the companions says something like "The Watcher, he was the Doctor all along!" But no further explanation is ever given, and of course no such creature/phenomenon has ever figured in any other regeneration before or since. Like the Watcher, the old woman remains off in the distance from Ruby staring at her for what turns out to be her whole life, until finally at the moment of her death by old age she finally approaches with her & merges with her. How this helps actually explain anything, either in this episode or Logopolis, I'm not really sure, except there have been constant fan theories surrounding Ruby that she is somehow connected to The Doctor's granddaughter Susan, even that Susan was Ruby's mother who left her at the church as an infant, in which case she's related to the Time Lords and thus might be susceptible to experiencing whatever the Watcher thing from Logopolis was, which would likewise suggest that The Watcher's appearance in Logopolis was in fact closing some other sort of alternate timeline loop that we never got to see and putting the Universe back on track in some way. Of course, I realize that in the end, this..., not even theory, but just observation that the old woman seems to act similar (although not identically) to The Watcher, actually definitely answers nothing and instead just leads to a whole host of new questions about what's going on not just in this story but now another one as well, pretty much the oppisite of the clarity you were asking for. But in truth I think mysterious supernatural phenomena in fiction work best when they are surrounded by mystery, unanswered questions & vague, frustrating hints as to what is going on that are never clarified. As soon as you start definitively answering too many of these questions, the whole thing becomes less intriguing.
@LupinTheDestructor-dh4wy
@LupinTheDestructor-dh4wy 19 күн бұрын
Ruby is a timelord. The doctor is training her, raising her quick with tough love, setting off traps to experience things like; the pitfalls of civilizations inasmuch as a timelord can affect them; how to deal with, understand, and remember alternate timelines. Comm guys. The Doctor’s not that clumsy!
@syzygycalalignment
@syzygycalalignment 13 күн бұрын
The 'ambulance" would have picked up two hearts when Ruby was scanned.
@petergallagher7573
@petergallagher7573 21 күн бұрын
WOW! Just WOW! i'll have to rewatch this several times.I love the surreal look, feeling of this episode.The best one so far and that's saying something after last weeks cracker of an episode.
@thelair9392
@thelair9392 22 күн бұрын
I don’t get the confusion with this episode. Loved it
@demtron
@demtron 22 күн бұрын
Check out "Behind the Scenes | 73 Yards | Doctor Who" According to Behind the Scenes they decided to cast a new actress instead of making Millie Gibson look old. It also made filming easier. As far as I understand, the Doctor had to leave so that Mad Jack could enter.
@jamesbaxter1667
@jamesbaxter1667 22 күн бұрын
I get my dw news and reviews from you which helps cause of bein in the states
@SAMEEDEE56
@SAMEEDEE56 22 күн бұрын
I was so confused 😆 I kinda like it
@fracttu
@fracttu 22 күн бұрын
I feel Russel came out with the concept of the episode and couldn't think of a resolution so he just made the problem solve itself
@Theplaysthet
@Theplaysthet 22 күн бұрын
Wow. Uve worked urslef into knots with this one. Disappointed so many doctor who reviewers don’t get this. It was brilliant. Watch it again.
@otps8035
@otps8035 22 күн бұрын
I love it
@Resenderrr
@Resenderrr 21 күн бұрын
I enjoyed it but, I don't understand some things. So the Woman is old Ruby relieving her life backwards as the woman and then stopping the doctor from stepping on the circle right? Why did she become the Woman? Why is she always 73 yards away? how can she "teleport"? What does she do that makes everyone run screaming? Why can't you see her face? What is she doing with her hands? Why did the Doctor disappear? Who is Mad Jack? Why did it take Mad Jack so long to candidate for PM? Why did stepping on the circle make all of this happen? About why everyone screams after going near her, I think it's not because the woman tells them something but maybe they see something in Ruby, or she tells them who ruby really is? They do run screaming only after looking at Ruby. still, so many questions.
@Theplaysthet
@Theplaysthet 21 күн бұрын
@@Resenderrr It’s ok to make up your own mind. I think a big problem is tv viewers expect everything on a plate. Not a criticism just how tv has gone. For me the breaking of the circle curses Ruby to live out her life alone. And because ruby is ‘special’ she comes back at the end of her life to lead her back from this broken time line to save the doctor. ‘Don’t step’ she whispers to her young self just before he steps. She stops the breaking of the circle.
@alansmithee419
@alansmithee419 22 күн бұрын
The only suggested explanation I've seen for what scares everyone away that I've liked at all is that it's simply a manifestation of Ruby's personal fears of abandonment or of being alone. What this has to do with Gwilliam quitting his job I have no idea, but it's the only thing that's been narratively satisfying to me.
@brobs0463
@brobs0463 22 күн бұрын
Best episode in days!
@stephenclaridge1896
@stephenclaridge1896 22 күн бұрын
73 yards, the best episode this season.
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 22 күн бұрын
Honestly I feel like it might be one of RTD's best
@alvadagansta
@alvadagansta 22 күн бұрын
pretty low bar then
@Electromatlc
@Electromatlc 20 күн бұрын
@@alvadagansta why would you type that. you’re just instigating people to argue with you
@ArthurChappell
@ArthurChappell 22 күн бұрын
I was confused by the young lady helping Mad Jack's campaign. Who was she? Why was she afraid of him yet still helping him? She seemed important but then just left out of everything with the other stuff not wrapped up
@frankhughes7551
@frankhughes7551 22 күн бұрын
I assumed he raped her
@bacontheshoe
@bacontheshoe 21 күн бұрын
You mean the one who Ruby works with? Roger clearly sexually assaulted her, but he was in such a position of power that she couldn't speak up about it. Ruby realised what had happened, but couldn't do anything at risk of compromising her position close to Roger, as she knew how to stop him and knew she would only get one shot.
@battlep0t
@battlep0t 20 күн бұрын
My take is it was implied she was sexually assaulted by him inbetween the scene where she first meets her and the scene where she says to Ruby he's a monster She's probably still helping him because of fear of speaking out
@Vas175
@Vas175 19 күн бұрын
It was very clear he sexually assaulted her and she doesn't speak up because he is a man of power.
@Daveluvutube
@Daveluvutube 20 күн бұрын
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one semi confused. I understood it all but had a lot of unanswered questions.
@marcokeller3575
@marcokeller3575 20 күн бұрын
Thank you, I was wondering the same thing and just thought I'd missed some sort of explanation. I also wondered about the significance of the other lady who came to work for the politician. The one Ruby spoke to before she went onto the field/pitch. Why have her in the story?
@TwixverseTwo
@TwixverseTwo 22 күн бұрын
Ghost light looks simple in comparison
@Mithcoriel
@Mithcoriel 22 күн бұрын
This episode definitely needed more explanation. It's nice to raise all these creepy questions, but then you also gotta answer them. Why was Ruby able to warn the doctor about stepping on the string in the end? Did her memories merge back into younger Ruby?
@MineCreeperLPs
@MineCreeperLPs 21 күн бұрын
It's possible that when Ruby saw her older self this time she thought to look down after the events of Boom and thinking of the Ambulance and saw the string to warn The Doctor.
@Smelly285
@Smelly285 21 күн бұрын
Omg really loved the companion getting a solo episode where their personality is not developed and they are still a shell
@cameronwidner9971
@cameronwidner9971 22 күн бұрын
I know the Doctor at the beginning of the episode mentions the prime minister nearly starting a nuclear war, so maybe when the Doctor broke the circle it ensured that he would therefore requiring Ruby to be the one from stopping that from happening? As to how this happened, I have no idea, but I imagine magic is involved somehow. I don't know much about Welsh/Celtic mythology, but maybe the fairy circle whisked the Doctor away, effectively erasing his existence from the universe or bringing Ruby to an alternate universe where the Doctor doesn't exist, then it created a closed time loop like system like the Time Dial in Heaven Sent, with the events repeating over and over until Ruby got set on the right path that prevented the war. We only see her successful attempt which finally allowed the closed loop to come to an end, with that pocket branch timeline resolved. In the main timeline the Doctor stops the war from happening in the first place sometime during his past, explaining how he knows about it and why his absence would require Ruby to step in. Idk if any of that even made sense, this episode was trippy but I have been really enjoying this season.
@micron000
@micron000 22 күн бұрын
Agreed, I'm very confused. This was like a more nonsensical version of Turn Left. Which, I mean, I love Turn Left, but part of what made it so great is that we've already seen how things were supposed to go in the first place, making it easier to grasp what went wrong in the alternate timeline and what Donna had to do in order to fix it. In 73 Yards, not only was the thing initiating the alternate timeline in the first place was basically "magic"; but, we also don't really get any explanation of what's actually supposed to happen. It just leaves us having to guess too much, which is a problem RTD's resolutions often have sadly. Millie did amazing in carrying the episode, and I loved the vibe and setting overall. I even liked the twist of Ruby being The Woman - I just wish there was a better explanation for how she went about "fixing" the timeline, what actually happened after she did, and why people ran away from her older-self in the first place. I mean, if Ruby was the one to stop Roger ap Gwilliam, what happens in the restored timeline where she doesn't? I could accept that maybe stepping on the shrine was the thing that made him become Prime Minister in the first place (releasing "Mad Jack"), but then, the Doctor was talking about him almost causing Nuclear war BEFORE ever stepping on the shrine. Is it just because he's the Doctor and could somehow sense the aborted timeline? Or does Gwilliam rise to power regardless and the difference is he's stopped some other way (which would mean, Ruby really didn't need to do anything about it)? Unlike the well-thought out writing of Turn Left, we never got any explanation of how older-Ruby went back in time to become The Woman in the first place, or how and why she was able to teleport/keep exactly 73 yards away. Also, what could she possibly say to cause so many people to run away from her? I can MAYBE buy UNIT stepping back once they realise she's older Ruby, cause they don't want to mess with the timeline.. But, what made her own Mum run and turn on her? How did she possibly cause Gwilliam to quit, or get perfect strangers to run away screaming? Oh and also, you're right about the TARDIS locking her out, plus, what even caused the Doctor to disappear? That wasn't explained at all as far as I can tell.
@stevetayler9518
@stevetayler9518 22 күн бұрын
The key source of my frustration is the ‘twist at the end’. It spoils everything. The figure inducing terror/disgust in anyone it speaks to is a great idea. If the figure had been an unknown entity, a supernatural creature then YES, the concept that it can say something that would cause that reaction, even in Ruby’s own mother, would be brilliant. It was brilliant and creepy whilst watching it. But then the twist absolutely ruins it. The mysterious woman is Ruby! What? That’s makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly as we actually spend a fair amount of time with old Ruby, and she’s lovely. We know for a fact she never learns what has happened or what the woman said. There’s certainly no indication that she’s learned some terrible, forbidden secret that could install terror in any who hear it. We follow old Ruby right up to the moment of her apparent death. So when she magically teleports back to the past, where is she getting this from! What the hell is she saying that causing Ruby’s mum to hate her so much she takes out a restraining order? She isn’t scared of Ruby, she’s not upset that she can’t see her, she clearly hates her. What could old Ruby (who is just Ruby, just older) possibly have said to her that would cause that? More to the point WHY would she be doing that?
@micron000
@micron000 22 күн бұрын
@@stevetayler9518 Exactly! Thank you, I think you've explained it better than I've managed to so far lol. I do believe there's some sort of supernatural aspect to it, like, she's not just supposed to be older Ruby but also a version of her that was affected by some sort of hex due to breaking the fairy-circle thingy, but yes, that was the biggest thing that wasn't explained well enough imo. I seriously think it would have worked much better without the twist, or if the twist was better expanded on. As it is, it's just needlessly confusing and doesn't actually make sense without us needing to add way too much head-cannon type of lore into it on our own.
@brandoncattermole9403
@brandoncattermole9403 22 күн бұрын
The episode was amazing
@samueleveleigh2767
@samueleveleigh2767 21 күн бұрын
For me the annoying thing is that once again Ruby's mum straight up abandons and hates her own daughter, and Ruby just kinda takes it. I think they are going to end with a grand "You are my daughter no matter what" but it still leaves a bad taste that the majority of time we spend with Ruby's mum is her disowning the person she loves most.
@Vas175
@Vas175 19 күн бұрын
What are you talking about? The only other time Karla is not a loving mother is when the goblins go back in time and take baby Ruby from the church so Karla never had her in her life to begin with.
@kaiateya
@kaiateya 18 күн бұрын
I think the ambiguity and superstitiousness of it is really spot on for a season all about mythological things pouring into the universe. Especially these faerie circle type of myths, where you don't have to understand what you did or how to fix it, the fact that it happened may doom you. Not knowing the rules doesn't mean they won't be enforced, and it doesn't have to involve malicious entities doing the enforcing. It can be balances upset or a thousand other things. And yeah, knowing what I know about mythology, watching her open up what looked like prayers/spells and reading them kinda made my skin crawl. I like the idea of Ruby having essentially stepped into the circle (representing a closure of the Mad Jack nuclear war timeline) when she broke the seal on the knowledge about Mad Jack (and released him back into the world), and the only way to fix it was to walk the circle to her end, then back out again, thus re-sealing the circle. There was this mythological idea of a "geas" too, from lore in that era. It was an obligation. It's been described as anything from a duty you need to perform, up to a curse that controls your life. We could guess that re-sealing Mad Jack was her geas, and when people perceived or interacted with The Woman (Ruby traversing back around the circle), they were left with a geas of their own, an indescribable need to gtfo of the way of what was going on, my guess. I doubt she needed to say any actual words to them. Perhaps it was as simple as seeing the future and Ruby's involvement in it; guy at the pub runs screaming, her mom wants nothing to do with the nuke future, Roger ap Gwilliam senses all that terrible stuff coming and runs screaming.
@TimothyCollins
@TimothyCollins 22 күн бұрын
It begs the question - who is Ruby? If it was Ruby that was the older woman, who us she that is so scary that even the "mad jack" entity runs away terrified after just talking to her?
@mrsmirnoff8715
@mrsmirnoff8715 22 күн бұрын
I think that Ruby is Susan's granddaughter and therefore she is the Doctor's great-great granddaughter.
@TimothyCollins
@TimothyCollins 22 күн бұрын
@mrsmirnoff8715 Are we all ignoring that the actress that keeps showing up is named SUSAN Twist? If Ruby is Susans kid it would make sense for her to move in next door and show up everywhere.
@stevetayler9518
@stevetayler9518 22 күн бұрын
The key source of my frustration is the ‘twist at the end’. It spoils everything. The figure inducing terror/disgust in anyone it speaks to is a great idea. If the figure had been an unknown entity, a supernatural creature then YES, the concept that it can say something that would cause that reaction, even in Ruby’s own mother, would be brilliant. It was brilliant and creepy whilst watching it. But then the twist absolutely ruins it. The mysterious woman is Ruby! What? That’s makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly as we actually spend a fair amount of time with old Ruby, and she’s lovely. We know for a fact she never learns what has happened or what the woman said. There’s certainly no indication that she’s learned some terrible, forbidden secret that could install terror in any who hear it. We follow old Ruby right up to the moment of her apparent death. So when she magically teleports back to the past, where is she getting this from! What the hell is she saying that causing Ruby’s mum to hate her so much she takes out a restraining order? She isn’t scared of Ruby, she’s not upset that she can’t see her, she clearly hates her. What could old Ruby (who is just Ruby, just older) possibly have said to her that would cause that? More to the point WHY would she be doing that?
@user-kv1nj2kz6r
@user-kv1nj2kz6r 22 күн бұрын
Yes, I'd been trying to find the sign language for what old-Ruby was doing because I assumed it would tie-in with the ending. Nope. I am a bit peeved at RTD saying that to leave what old-Ruby said to each individual to make them hate and abandon young Ruby as ambiguous is a cop-out. We know that it is for Ruby to 'feel' abandoned by everyone (as she is an orphan) The Doctor, The Tardis, her Mum, Kate Stewart all left her, but why did they hate her so much? We dedicate to watch Dr Who each week and for RTD to give us a programme which (albeit was entertaining), was so confusing and with an unexplained ending and then just tell us to except that there is no explanation and that he just put in nonsense to pee us off, is rather insulting to be honest. I am glad though that there wasn't ANOTHER USA-like musical song and dance in this episode or last, I don't know if I can take another one of those. Why Dr Who is working with USA Disney when it has always been a BBC program I cannot fathom, but the world has gone mental in the last 20 years since Dr Who started again. My daughter (20) has grown up in it and I hate to think of what her future holds.
@srijitseal
@srijitseal 21 күн бұрын
Another weird theory: Maybe the apparition Ruby saw was not Ruby at all but another being that had stepped into the circle previously. I know it does not make sense but hear me out... Everytime someone reads the scrolls after the circle is broken, one is sent into a pocket universe where one lives out one's life and become an apparition for the next human who breaks the circle and reads the scrolls. The reason why Ruby returns as an apparition for her younger self may have something to do with her exposure to the Tardis(time loop affecting the circle) or the Doctor... That will explain why Ruby as the apparition appears before breaking the circle at the end of the episode. This would also suggest that the first apparition of the previous person could have really been a supernatural entity(maybe Ruby's mother?) who could bewilder people {like she kind of surprised(or perplexed?) the Doctor by pointing at him in the Christmas episode}. Also, the Tardis might have refused to open in the pocket parallel universe and was connected to the main universe as a transdimensional space-time vessel...
@user-xt6rl8fm1c
@user-xt6rl8fm1c 20 күн бұрын
Best episode yet
@Sjorn99277
@Sjorn99277 22 күн бұрын
73 yards is 66.6 metres. The spookiest distance (in metric).
@andymassey8105
@andymassey8105 22 күн бұрын
Except it’s 66.751 metres sooo not so spooky
@Sjorn99277
@Sjorn99277 22 күн бұрын
@@andymassey8105 But Kate L-S rounded it to 66.7, not 66.8. That suggests the precise distance was 66.666…metres. So spooky after all!
@squidwardtortellini2827
@squidwardtortellini2827 22 күн бұрын
I really loved this episode a lot. I really like it when doctor who gets weird like this. I wish they get more into the weirder side of who because space and time is weird.
@BeReasonableAndAskTheQuestion
@BeReasonableAndAskTheQuestion 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video! Yeah - this was a really confusing episode. Others have made comparisons to the Watcher from Logopolis, Tom Baker's final story. I don't know how many here have mentioned this, in the 726 comments before this one. I found one instance of it below. And I agree with the sense that the Watcher was eventually explained well enough, while a lot of mystery was left surrounding him, but here, it remains really vague. There was also somewhat of a precedent for the Watcher set in Jon Pertwee's final story, Planet of the Spiders, with K'Anpo / Cho-je. So it's possible that the suggestion here is that Ruby is a Time Lord, who at the point of death projected back into the past of her own time stream to influence events, or that in some other way, she was time traveling like a TARDIS, considering Kate Stewart's mention of a TARDIS's perception filter, so maybe the TARDIS somehow was joined with her to accomplish the altering of the past.
@hermiona1147
@hermiona1147 13 күн бұрын
If this was old Ruby then the TARDIS wouldnt let her in because of the paradox, both Rubies cant exist at the same time. This already happened in DW in The Girl Who Waited.
@merricasem1964
@merricasem1964 22 күн бұрын
Ruby dies and then becomes the woman. So this is a Ruby timeline wibbly wobbly
@LaloMartins
@LaloMartins 22 күн бұрын
Even summoning my best devil's advocate powers, I could only find answers to one thing, and it's one you don't ask. That is, once she becomes the old woman, the first thing she does is prevent the Doctor from stepping on the thing, so how can old-she have been haunting younger Ruby all along? Best answer to that is that was *not* the first thing she did. Instead, once she becomes the old woman, she lives her life again from the old woman's perspective, but backwards, almost like a defective weeping angel; every time she's not seen, she slips in time to the previous encounter. So she lives backwards, and ends finally on the hill where she stops the Doctor. Not only answers the question, but also much cooler this way. In fact that would explain the old woman being played by a different actress, too. Older Ruby is played by a different actress, and so is baby Ruby in the special, no reason why Even Older Ruby wouldn't be yet a different actress. In the hospital scene the two would have to look the same, but in that case we don't see the older one's face, so… we can chalk up the differences to just the supernatural circumstances making the hair creepier. Then “next” we see her she's 20 years or so older, so different actress makes sense.
@jackdavinci
@jackdavinci 22 күн бұрын
That would be a very Haunting of Hill House bent neck lady approach, and this episode did give me some vibes of that. But I think in this case there's a simpler explanation. Ruby appears to be in a time loop of sorts so I think either the original old lady is actually a different being of some kind that she replaces the second time, or this is her second or more attempt and she's just more successful this time.
@vortexlegend101
@vortexlegend101 22 күн бұрын
I’m pretty sure she dies, and her “unfinished business” is to stop herself in the past.
@mrcb20476
@mrcb20476 22 күн бұрын
Cool episode
@itsEONN
@itsEONN 22 күн бұрын
Maybe it was a shadow pocket timeline she was sent where ruby lived all the way to her 90s and once she was died she was sent moments before the circle was broken to stop it .But the question is Ruby at the beging says she went 2 times but at the end she said 3 times meaning she kinda new of her life but could no remeber it completly .Maybe she will end up being a timelord and she received her memories of another timeline like the doctor knows of timelines .
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 22 күн бұрын
I’m not stupid but I didn’t understand this episode,am I the only one?🤷🔷
@curtwall7089
@curtwall7089 22 күн бұрын
No space babies made more sense
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 22 күн бұрын
@@curtwall7089 the only episodes I’ve liked so far are Maestro (I know controversial) and Boom 💥
@KuromajikkuGaming
@KuromajikkuGaming 22 күн бұрын
Honestly best episode so far. The others felt really unlike Doctor Who to me. I’m honestly just wondering where the hell the Doctor disappeared after stepping on the circle
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 22 күн бұрын
@@KuromajikkuGaming what was it about 🧐💭✌🏻🔷🔷🔷🔷
@vordman
@vordman 22 күн бұрын
I don't think there's anything clever to work out. It's just ill-concieved shite.
@OzTheGuy8224
@OzTheGuy8224 22 күн бұрын
The tardis didn’t die. It just locked.
@andrewlancefield3730
@andrewlancefield3730 21 күн бұрын
Perception filter...and 2 people can't occupie the same place in time and space 73 is a safety distance
@WhoStew
@WhoStew 22 күн бұрын
The master is back I think
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