Exactly especially if you're buying it for recreation on not a daily driver

This is always the poor persons answer. You can’t buy a new Defender so you would be worried about damaging it.

@elliottpalmer7624 we will agree to disagree on that one. I have an '05 Rubicon all built out for offroading. I never take my 3500 AT4 Duramax offroad because it's too big and too expensive. My side by side is new and expensive, but it's indestructible. Also, these new SUV's and trucks are way too wide for CO trails...

@@richfarfugnuven6308 it’s all relative. I take my 2014 Range Rover off road because I bought it for the value of it bearing great on and off road. Some people say it’s too expensive to break ($35k when I bought it years ago) but for me it’s not too expensive. Everything is relative. I am glad I bought white though for all the pin stripping. 🤣

When u are talking rovers the older the better p38 range rover and below

Cheers !! My 06 4.4 full size range just rolled over 335,000 miles. Original as well. Keep fixing keep driving. Love it.

My 2005 LR3 4.4 V8 HSE HD has 235k miles going strong blew up the transfer case pushing the limits. Fantastic off road have owned 3 land cruisers 1991,94,and 2000. Prefer the Rover.

Original air suspension?

@@iibise.3827 yes

the CC does say "for fudge's sake" though hahaha

I heard fudge

LMAO fudge sure fudge is gooood 😂

My kid heard f*ck

I was about to say the same damn thing 😂

Exactly what I thought of at that moment too lol. Same vehicle too

Yeah, I think he just mis-spoke there and meant to say unibody.

Yep he misspoke, and the new defender is unibody

F*ckin-A!!

Glad you enjoy it!

It broke an ADD, settle down...

@@richfarfugnuven6308probably mad he can’t afford a new Tacoma

⁠​⁠@@richfarfugnuven6308 Yes definitely not a big deal. Be fair. And this is coming from a 2020 P400 owner. They are both great . Different strokes…

I hate that you’re so spot on. 2024 Toyota is not 2000 Toyota. I’ll be avoiding these new disasters until they can bring their rep back up

Yeah same. I'm going for the 2door v8

They are absolute crap. Ex owner. Never take one outback. NEVER buy one.

​@ozman528 Well I have owned three, never broken down and left me stranded , been overland through the Kalahari desert though Namibia to the Skeleton Coast on the Atlantic and back. 6,000 miles in a single trip, I think that you can class that as overland.

@@caryknapton7233 You are one lucky fella! Both for having the opportunity to do that and to have them be reliable for you. Keep up the adventuring mate.

It's called evolving technology. A modern FI V8 with 500HP gets better MPG than an old carbureted V8 with 160 HP...

I have a v6 here in NZ. It goes ok. Much simpler motor than the Jaguar v8. Easier to maintain. But yes fuel consumption appears to be the same.

They could absolutely make an NA V8 that gets 30 mpg. But petrodollar says hell no

Which Jeep?

235k on my 05 lr3

It's all about maintenance on these cars. There were some things in early LR3's but it generally was stuff that was easily fixed, the Jag 4.4 was pretty bulletproof from 05-09.

Mine is about to roll over 200k

@@DavidSmith-dx1bd 206k for me. No engine lights, basic maintenance. Best vehicle I have ever owned.

I'm sorry...

Don’t listen to wimp above me. Mad haters out there. Just make sure you drop the 1600 on KO2’s and it’ll be dope. I have a 90 and we love it. Hope you got the extended black pack as the grey bumper and skid pan are weak.

Rover really led the way with this stuff and even the early systems like the LR3 (2005) are ahead of most current systems. That said, I'll take simple manually selectable systems every time given the choice but I understand why manufacturers want to dumb everything down and make it "automatic" - no driver skill/knowledge required.

Actually the new traction management is better by far and often lockers aren’t needed at all. LR that is. Yes Ineos has rubbish traction management - might as well not have any.

When we get our ineos in July I would happy demonstrate how the defender will not do 10 percent of what the grenadier will do. You pick the trail. Phase 2 we add 35s and take on the Rubicon.

@@user-vz8qv4tg9q did i say it cant do more?

@@user-vz8qv4tg9q Watch Ronny Dahl with 34" tires on his Grenadier, Looked at 35" tires but with the spare (35") the small rear door wouldn't have opened.

@@clooperman3745 Quite a few have 35s on and the spare fits, maybe its the brand. Sort of standard now, add a set of lift springs and go 35s. 37s will take a spare tire spacer, maybe I will grab one for the 35s to to be safe. I am planning 35s for a few years once we get ours. The concept of having 1 ton running gear, and heavy duty everything is so exciting.

Thanks!

Until someone really drives them and realize no vehicle does anything better offroading than LR3

I have a Commander with the hemi…always and still want an LR4. I have always wondered how comparable the two are?

@@christiancenteno3009 Personally, I prefer steel springs for simplicity. I'm very happy with the Old Man Emu suspension I have on mine. Clearance was the biggest weakness in stock form.

They sold it a month ago to pay for the Ranger Raptor.

A camry? Lmao shows how little you know about off roading.

I don't care if they bleep it or not, but don't they usually bleep stuff

Get a good few people shaving down the calipers and putting smaller wheels on the new defenders and a few range rovers, once they depreciate the defenders will be all over the place like the disco 3 is now

To be fair, greenlaning is generally extremely mild off-roading. Spent a week in Wales with a nearly stock D90 (original, not current) and even with open difs and hard-as-a-rock 31" tires I was able to walk through the "hard" trails. Only once did I find a place that turned me back due to lack of a locker. It's fun and scenic; there's even a good chance of damage when you lean over against some ancient rock wall in a big rut, but finding a real challenge is itself a challenge. Sadly I didn't run into any other Rovers on the trails! Plenty of them on the roads and on farms at least. Of course, it was mid-week most of the time I was there so not as many people out playing (intentionally on my part...avoid crowds)

The 4.4 v8 that came in the lr3 is by far the most reliable engine theyve used. Even today. I have 284k miles on mine. All original drivetrain.

8:40 it’s an alloy steelie-lookalike

The five spoke rims are 18s.

@osubeef not all the five spoke rims. The five spoke rims on my Disco look the same, but they are 19inches.

Helps you not hit stuff.... but you can tap the screen to turn off the beep

The lr3 and 4 also have loads of computers. Especially compared to the D2. I love the look of the LR4, but timing chains are notorious for going bad.

@@krover01 Yep. Like most used cars, LR4s have some issues. But they are well-known and documented. If the few known problems with the LR4 are addressed, they’re good used vehicles that are more comfortable, luxurious, and capable than most. If you (or the prior owner in my case) sort the timing chain issue, the normally aspirated Ford 5-liter V8 in the LR4 is solid, uncomplicated, and powerful. And yes, they have computers too, but my point is that the number of computers in new cars has exploded. The new Defender is a poster child of that complexity. Yet, if you’re going to try to eliminate all computers (not a bad idea but not easy either), you’re planning to drive something at least two decades old.  If you have the money, buy a new car and an extended warranty. If you’ve got a little less money and can afford one of the highly sought-after, reliable old cars, that’s awesome, but you’ll _still_ be sorting out general old car issues . . . or maybe you spend a lot on a vehicle with an LS swap. If you’ve got even less money, you _will_ be dealing with used car troubles of one kind or another. My biggest problem so far with my 11-year-old LR4 is that the AC isn’t cooling as well anymore, so I need to troubleshoot that.

Yes, when Tommy said his was basic, I had a laugh. My JKU has manual everything: Transmission, windows, mirrors, locks, etc.

He just misspoke.