Why do you dismiss something you don't understand? Sounds like ignorance mixed in with some pride. There's actually very few of people that think like this. I've been building and riding electric for many years, and I rarely ever run into people who think like this. Typically the ones that think like that don't even know how to work on their own gas bike lol When we used to use horse and buggies, there was people like you that despise the fact of the combustion engine, nothing new under the sun !

@@pilotrt Sounds like a classy broad.

When you can hear when the wheel brakes traction you have more granular control which can translate to greater awareness, better reaction and more forward momentum 👍

@@jameshatton4211interesting thought.

@@mxcollin95 look up elmofo 😎

You do realize that everyone will look at you as a loser after this right? It's like coming out of the closet...don't get one

Getting an electric bike like this and riding it seriously is emasculate

@@777goncharovv Yeah sure LOL

@@777goncharovv bro you just watched a video of the electric bike effortlessly emasculating the latest and greatest 450 technology. Bad choice of words bud.

@@kurtheidelbach You really got me there with that argument

Once i see the real world run times/range in the woods, i'll consider replacing my KTM. It needs to be able to make it through a hare scramble.

​@@OtisFlint Enduro riding will definitely be a lot easier on the battery, so I would assume it will last quite long on enduro rides.

Lucid of motocross bikes?

@@Bozza36 From the videos I've seen , it looks like 30-50 real miles of casual pace, which is awesome.

Agreed

Well my Alta was a wheelie monster on the road, this will probably do backlfips on pavement at the flick of the wrist haha.

@@bwhaskell lol Agreed! How long before your delivery date did they send the shipping info email?

It was like 3 to 4 weeks, but me being their first customer that was a somewhat of a special case

@@bwhaskell special in that they don’t do it for everyone? Or that was earlier than usual? My delivery date shows as September 30th on their website, but I haven’t heard anything yet.

Yes, exactly, I want to see some drag races with his bike

He raced vet 30+ in an earlier video and got both holeshots

@@BigKidCasey its a holeshot beast, no doubt about it. just the rest of the track is what your worrying about

A Holeshot sure is king .. but a track is way way more than that .. put it on a track with some pro riders .. Let’s walk the talk

if you want the full 80Hp dude, it gonna be God damn expensive. 20k for that shit.

@@NotAHillyBilly bro wtf in their web the 60hp one is 13k and the 80hp is 14k, not 20

​@@Keler477he must be quoting Australia pricing. $20400 for the 80hp down here

@@gettingschooled3094 HOLY SHIT yall fucked up there

I've always wanted a cr 500,I'm in the position now to get one but after looking at these I don't know. You can just jump on stark and go for a blast around and not bother anyone with the noise. I'll probably end up getting both 😃

The smile was priceless. Chad was seriously impressed.

@@bwhaskell the smile and then the tears

Yes, all 691 ft-lbs of it. lol Do you believe that ?

yes his eyes were ripped wide open

@@Corteumit’s the same thing EV makers has been saying Bottom line is that much torque at the wheel is useless so it doesn’t matter if it’s true or not

10/10 butthurt👍

Has absolutely nothing to do with getting rid of generators that the majority already have a large facilities anyway.

😂

HAHAHA!!!!!!!!60hp you sure about that hmmm! hmmm! 60hp= 44 760 watts/hrs and you have battery maybe 8000watts / 44 760 watts/hrs = 0.17873 in the most best conditions is possible, like disconnect the motor shaft to the rest of the bike and if you really have 60hp/hrs or 44 760 watts the autonomy it's arround 10'min. very max but reconnect the shaft and your autonomy drop down to maybe 2- 3 min. hahaha. OK your motor is probably 5000 watts / 746 watts/hrs = 6.7 HP and that's is the real power of this Bike. the torque is just awesome in electric motor. HAVE FUN! Oh MATH it's ; OHMs LAW 5 min to learn😉🙂

Except that the YZ has more gears than the one shown.

​​@@banaana1234 Yes, that will basically push the curve to the left, so at lower speeds it exceeds the Varg slightly. Doesn't matter really tho, because you're geometry limited there anyway, meaning the bike is going to wheelie.

That curve makes the 60hp motor option look pretty good

None of y'all can ride a 450 to it's limits. Even factory riders can't. And y'all want 20 more hp? 😂

nope not for me, I ordered the 60hp version@@NeoMK

Please explain to us not in the know what that means?

@ManMeatMusket Thank you! So in the video you could see that they had corrected values for the Varg?

@ManMeatMusket Ah, thanks a bunch!

Agreed. Although the bike rips compared to a modern 450, if they advertised 80hp and you paid for 80hp, you want to see 80hp all day long.

Thanks for explaining that. I was wondering how the values were “corrected.” I thought maybe it was some kind of compensation for having only one gear.

@@jaysmokey 100% agree that new rider should not be on 450s but this bike allows you to detune it down to 10 hp. Basically XR100 type horsepower with great suspension and handling. It’s brilliant 👍🏼

wait till honda releases theres, then the game begins.

The implications of this technology are pretty staggering. I could set this bike up at 10 hp and teach brand new riders how to ride. Yeah try doing that on a Honda CRF 450 without catching a murder charge.All the way up to having a bike that would rival what the pros have.Well played gentlemen well played

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of electric motorcycles. But teaching a beginner on this bike is a mistake IMHO. Beginners need to learn to shift, use the clutch and use a foot brake (yes, I know the Varg can be had with a foot brake). If someone learns to ride on a Varg they won't know how to ride the VAST majority of motorcycles.

But then when you take into account the maintenance, top end rebuilds etc, that would be needed on a comparable bike with a traditional combustion engine.

@@iaiaianoespecially a 2 stroke

I looked at the website, it's surprising that they offer every replacement part the bike has. Bit pricy tho. 😮

​@@iaiaianowait till you listen the battery and ECU price and after..a bike is 1000 euro max the rebuilt

​@@alejandrolll977she had a two-stroke is the easiest bike in the world to keep up maintenance on can you put a new piston and ring in every once in awhile bingo bingo done I've literally changed them at the track in an hour now talk about a 4-stroke you ain't doing that s*** at the track not an hour that's where she gets expensive when you got door overhead cams you got to pull it apart all the time the f****** shim the valves and it's a nightmare two stroke you just put oil on gas in the f****** thing and ride it to a blows up and then put a new piss in the ring in it and ride it again really you don't need to wait till it blows up I've learned to replace piston and rings every so many hours and I've had cylinders last over 10 years looking brand new I know 4 Strokes are getting better but man when they f****** they f****** when they go bad I mean they go bad I'm sure it's the same way with this electric bike electric motors probably just ain't built to last that long if I was rich I'd buy one I'm not rich I'd love to have one but if I have to buy a bike what's going to be two stroke

Probably a shitton of losses in the greatbox, considering the small size and the high engine torque its probably compromised.

I have never heard back from Brian Haskell on this concern of mine and the original question at hand based on the Dyno test.

It's typical dyno units. Calculated wheel power is what it stands for. Also, the dyno needs to be setup for electric motors as they behave differently from ICEs. So add all losses from the motor to the 67-68 whp and you end up in the ballpark of 80bhp.

There will still be noise and fuel burned by all the generators youll have to run to keep these things charged up between motos.

I paid retail! It's my own bike.

I had the same thought. I think hp to the rear wheel on all bikes is a smaller number vs hp from a motor bolted to a stand straight off the countershaft.

I see what you're saying. In theory perfect clutch work could result in roughly flat HP for the yz. Honestly the vargs curve is so massive you'd think they'd gear it down a little.

I think you’re referring to 80hp vs 63hp or whatever the peak showed on the graph. It’s rwhp vs at the motors output. Same as in any other vehicle, the wheel hp is going to less than crank hp.

@@zacreeves7377 Correct, I'm not sure if they are talking about rear wheel horsepower or at the crank horsepower? I guess I was wondering if you set the app for x horsepower, does that equal what is seen on the dyno? Which would be rear wheel horsepower???

Soon the women and children of Africa won't be digging up lithium for pennies then what's going to happen?

Nothing wrong. I was going through a move. Going riding tomorrow in my new state. Stay tuned. More content coming

On this particular dyno, 67.5, compared to the 2023 yz450 on this dyno at 53.3.

This battery chemistry will still provide full "power" until it hits its low voltage cutoff.

@@fen2453 That's a great theory, but I would rather hear it from someone actually testing it.

​@@tacticooldennisand even at low battery voltage percentage, it will still out power a gas 450 .

Electric Cycle Rider channel did one , well, multiple, from hard trail riding to motocross qualifying. It's not terrible, but it's literally hours less than what Stark claim it'll do. I'm a gas guy, give me a 2-stroke any day over anything else, and I both don't care for 99.9% of electric vehicles, nor do I want anyone forced into buying one or the government forcing me or any manufacturer to build them....but I'd definitely take this bike, and I'd definitely take a Rivian R1T to get it where it needs to go, and I'd definitely take a Porsche Taycan GTS SportsTurismo for my daily....but only because I don't drive more than 200 miles in a shot absolutely ever, and I'd be charging at home....but I definitely don't want to use any of those to drive out of state, and I definitely wouldn't want to "actually" go for AT LEAST a full days trail ride on the VARG(5+hrs, hundred+ miles), it just won't make it without turning back or knowing exactly where you could leave the trail to recharge for that hour+. I could see shorter trail rides and motocross ECT where you either have access to electricity, or a generator in the back of your truck to charge the damn thing..... it's still gorgeous, extremely well engineered (except that one little issue where they're sending out complete new powertrains lol, but at least free and promptly for those bikes already sold), and they're brutally fast.... I mean, this channel doesn't show how ridiculously fast this thing really is, only channel I've seen show how brutal this thing is in 60hp-80hp mode, is the one I mentioned above.... I'd check it out where he first gets his and is trail riding, you won't be upset I can tell you that 😅

Havent had that problem on this bike.

Gearing , i geared mine to 115 (salt flat racing)not even joking, torque pulled me hard couldve gone faster but front end got SQUIRLEY