Agreed!!!

@@worldartgym Ditto.

I have to agree. I was a huge fan of both and really loved Gutsu for being the daredevil, but Shannon should have received a 10 on the first vault and she would have been the all-around winner.

She was robbed.

@@s.j.johnson1961 definitely. especially considering Gutsu didnt even qualify for the AA. The unified team pulled another girl out lieing that she was sick to put Gutsu in her place.

Shoulder angle as she hits the horse. Piked down, but pop off.

No Chouchou's 1st vault is much better

@@amoregang7280 I thought because Shushunova landed with bended legs, although she stuck the landing

I personally think the judges weren’t ready to throw a 10 for a USA gymnast yet in ‘92

@@worldartgym they definitely weren’t. The judges leaned heavily to Soviet gymnasts, even after the end of the cold war transitioning into a “unified team” for 92, didn’t matter. They had the judges wrapped around their fingers!

agreed

Reminder there were four apparatuses. It’s not just the vault and that’s why Tatiana won.

@@thrillcker68 no kidding. I didn’t say it was only the vault. I just asked why Shannon’s vault wasn’t a 10.

Agreed - especially about '92.

I agree

If Shushunova's vault was only a 9.95, Silivas's which was tons worse would deserve only the 9.8 Kim gave it.

But they had to giver ger a 10.0 because they gave Silivas 9.95 with a much, much weaker vaut.

Silivas's vault should be a 9.7 then, LOL!

Because the Soviets had the judges under their thumb. You’ll notice in latter competitions the judges were watched closely, and sanctioned for bias if it was noticed.

Shannon did not hold her "stuck" landing for the required 2 seconds, like stopping your car at a stop sign. Gutsu did

No. Her vaults were not that great! May be in the mediocre US or Western gymnastics performance criteria! Her vault and everything were NOT even near to the Soviets and Romanians.

Gutsu had a little shuffle and then landed low on her second one. Shannon was superior

Not to mention a huge step in her floor routine.

Judges being bought and paid for, that’s how. In 1996 the judges were heavily scrutinized- for just that reason. The Romanian judge was sanctioned for bias.

She shouldn't have been in the all around to begin with. There was nothing wrong with Rosa's back like they claimed

Miller was robbed by a team that had the judges in their pocket, yes. In the next Olympics the judges were watched closely, and the Romanian judge was sanctioned for her bias.

Nellie is an absolute disgrace to gymnastics judging.

Funny how both times Nellie Kim was the judge that made the difference that ended up having Russians win the gold...

@@erinames7783 And she used to coach Boginskaya

Nellie Kim should have been barred from judging. She’s appalling.

@@simoneforthewin7269 Nellie was actually sanctioned in a future competition (I believe in either’94 or ‘95 for bias. They started to really scrutinize the judges, and she got caught and (I believe suspended for a time). You are absolutely right, she had no business judging.

Do you mean on vault or the entire competition? Including compulsories?

@@worldartgym the entire all around competition, I think Shushunova was better on vault (by a lot) and beam (optionals and aa), Silivas better on bars and floor they both deserves their aa 10.

Por dios...el suelo de shusu es impresionante! Flig flag con apoyo de rodillas , salto Thomas... Hablo de suelo donde ambas fueron fantasticas pero decir que el suelo de shusu es aburrido es estar ciego!!

Gutsu should have been stripped of her medal after the lie was uncovered.

@@saragrant9749 how? ☠️ even if galieva was not injured. there is no rule on pulling.

@@211jump oh I know there wasn’t, it just disgusts me to see someone get a medal who should never have been there in the first place. Stripping the medal? No, I suppose not. She certainly should have SHARED gold with Shannon though. The ones who should have been punished were her coaches- they should have been banned for their deceit. You should never be allowed to lie about a situation like that.

@@saragrant9749 not sure how much of the 80s and 90s you followed but top teams pulled gymnasts for another all the time back then. It is not like today when it is rarely done. Just for one example the 85 womens world AA title was shared by not one but two gymnasts who did not qualify and were put in, yanking teammates who also could have won (one of them the great Olga Mostapenova, the girl who probably wins the 84 Olympic AA without the boycott, but even she got yanked for her younger teammates). Another example, is Alexandra Marinescu was yanked twice for Simona Amanar, and Amanar went onto medal in the AA both times after technically not qualifying. The Gutsu and Galieva switch was not rare, it was in fact quite common back then.

@@carolebrown2621 oh I’m well aware it used to happen all the time. It is one of the most blatant examples of how toxic the sport was- and honestly in many ways still is. Gymnasts were treated like propaganda tools, like property instead of human beings. Politics still plays a huge role in who gets chosen for teams vs who doesn’t in far too many instances. Take Kaylia Neymour for example- bullied by the French delegation to the point she decided to represent Algeria instead… a decision that took the French GOVERNMENT stepping in and pushing for in order to make it happen! I’m just eternally grateful my father absolutely forbade me from becoming a gymnast. He didn’t like the environment of the sport. Instead he encouraged me to pursue track and field, a sport that is all inclusive. I was a thrower for nearly a decade and had the best time, learning many life skills and making a multitude of friends - something I undoubtedly wouldn’t have experienced in gymnastics.

Miller A bar 9.9 Beam 9.912 Floor 9.85 Vault 9.975 Goutsou A bar 9.95 Beam 9.9 Floor 9.9 Vault 9.925

Hard to protest a 9.975

His protest would have been dismissed, guaranteed. Those judges were controlled by the Unified team coaches and would never have accepted a protest of her score. She wasn’t the “allowable” winner to them.

@@saragrant9749 how was it controlled

@@LETMEINGUYS back in that time the Soviet Union had very strict control over the judging of international gymnastics competitions, particularly at the world and Olympic level. They decided who got gold medals- and who didn’t (even within their own team, just ask Olga Korbut). Errors- VISIBLE ONES- were often overlooked purposely because that athlete was their chosen one. Some medals obviously were won on merit, but others were definitely not. There are plenty of people who will tell you this isn’t true, but many judges from that time have fully ADMITTED it was the case. It’s why I’m honestly surprised (happily so) how Nadia was able to score her seven perfect tens, given she was Romanian and not Soviet. Just take a look at what happened to Vera Kaslaska (sorry if I misspelled that). She was from Yugoslavia, which the Soviets were trying to take over. Her floor gold should NEVER have been shared with the Soviet, but it was because the judges were instructed to make sure she got a gold- even though her routine was far inferior. It’s much like the East Germans in the 1970’s and 1980’s with doping. Everyone knew that they were loaded up on steroids, but had no way to take action as there was no system in place to identify it and stop it. Once drug testing became a thing they were, in many cases caught and stripped of medals. It’s the same thing here. If you watch competitions after the 1992 games, the judges were being heavily scrutinized for bias. Nellie Kim was actually suspended for quite a period of time for biased judging. Today the judges are still kept under close watch, to ensure equal treatment.

@Sara Grant I get that, but what control? I mean if I were a judge and did t score a gymnast the way they wanted me to what is the worst thing that would happen to me?

That’s pretty accurate! I agree!! 👍🏼

Jamás never

@@guadalupequevedobata8755 how would you rank the order?

Gotta stand up for Miler. Could have gone either way in ‘92

@@worldartgym no. US gymnastics in general was not very good in 93. These Romanian coaches - Belu or something came and they improved.

@@bbatjargal1549 I was only referring to the ‘92 decision right there between Gutsu and Miller. And only that Olympics, from your comment.

@@bbatjargal1549 Bela was already in the USA in 1981 and Belu had been coaching in Romania in 1992 for a while and built a nice gymnastics dynasty. Bela, from ROM, defected to USA. Belu always in ROM... Not sure what you are saying

Interesting. Who scored gold, silver, and bronze in your opinion?

@@worldartgym Gutsu gold, Bogi silver, Milo bronze.

The great part about 1992 is how there were 6-10 legitimate contenders for all-around medals. It was exciting and came down to the last (fourth) event. It was also the first “new life” Olympic competition.

Silivas did not deserve a 10 for vault, are you crazy, LOL! If it were literally anyone else but her people would be complaining the 9.95 was too high.

Yeah but shushinova should not have received a 10 for the same vault. Her legs were also separated like Silivas but the judges gave her a 10. It’s obvious there was some major biased judging going on. Nelly Kim gave Silivas first vault a 9.8? Stupid.

Please feel free to leave your opinions but do not insult the gymnasts or their gymnastics.

Sorry you see it as “useless,” nonetheless, the argument does indeed continue, therefore there must be some merit to it.

Russians make “platinum” medals or special golds for athletes, especially figure skaters, they think should have won. Ask slutskaya and plushenko. Since when do Russians get to declare discussion over? Gutsu shouldn’t have even competed in the final. Her preliminary scores were too low, so the team faked an injury to another team member to get her spot in the final. Shady.

The only thing useless is you getting butthurt over people exercising their God given right to share opinions and have discussions and debates. Get over yourself.

Wrong worthless person!

@@badgernation74 And those people are losers, just like the ones who don't accept Shushunova and Gutus are the Olympic AA Champions, or the Komova fans who don't accept Douglas is the 2012 Olympic AA Champion, and so on. I don't distinguish, you are all equally as much losers for not being able to get over things that happened 30-40 years ago. I call people like all of you people who are so unhappy with reality, which probably pertains to your overall life as well, you need to live in a fantasy reality that does not exist to cope.

Actually, subbing one gymnast for another was not against the rules at the time.

@@ojk46 i never said it was against the rules but it is wrong if she didn’t earn that spot like rosa did. Rosa earned that spot but was told to step down for Gutsu. I find it morally wrong. She made a mistake which meant she didn’t qualify to be in the individual round, therefore should have sucked it up and let Rosa compete. That is what i meant.

1992 will always be tainted in my opinion. Gutsu definitely didn’t deserve to be there.

There's a documentary about gutzu being made to share the money she won with Rosa.

@@LETMEINGUYS I’d head about that, yes. if that’s true then in a way… ok good. Money can’t take the place of a stolen opportunity or that medal. I also suspect that was to assuage folk who cried foul upon hearing about the lie. As far as I’m concerned it should have resulted in a rule stating that only qualified athletes can compete in the all around and individual finals. If an injury occurs- tough, you have only one in competition, not two. It would eliminate blasphemy like this. The part that disgusts me with Tatiana herself is she tried- and still tries in interviews- to say “she understood Rosa’s sorrow and anger.” That’s the behavior of a spoiled brat, and was completely disgraceful. If she’d said “I couldn’t imagine her pain, but it was the coaches decision” I would feel differently. To even try to say she did understand was selfish in the extreme. I wouldn’t blame Rosa if she never spoke to Gutsu again ever- which I don’t believe she has. I know I wouldn’t.

Totally agree !!!