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True! I feel that they should have specified the Mondial 8 since the Mondial 3.2 and the Mondial T were pretty decent cars. Heck, the T had 300 bhp from the same 3.4 L engine as the 348.

"we all make mistakes from time to time"

THANK you for pointing that out!

Probably meant the 308.

totally right, i´m a lancia fan and kept 7 of them mainly late 70´s to early 90´s ,still looking for a Lancia K coupé 2.0L turbo with 24 valves , they are rare but confortable and a fast coupé for it´s engine it´s fast from 80 km/h to 160 km/h as it is from 160 to 220km/h ,it´s a lancia common characterístic in it´s late 80´s to the early 2000´s cars

@@RUfromthe40s take a look at Gasi Garage youtube channel, he's an italian mechanic. He works on youngtimers and old cars, especially Lancia. He just finished restoring 4 Lancia Thema Ferrari 8.32 for an italian event 😉

@@RUfromthe40s Also I think he restored and sold a light blue Lancia Kappa coupe 2.0 last year

@@Tipodatubo thanks for the info. ,regards

@@Tipodatubo i know some guys who looked for and found their themas with ferrari engines , they do are fun to drive but ,normally they are stopped ,engine problems , i kept a 2.0L turbo gasoline engine ,never gave me problems ,the K was the model that substituted the thema ,but some years ago they released a new thema wich is not a normal thing for Lancia but with the body of some big chrisler sedans already released in Europe in the early 200´s by the time they released the crossfire with mercedes engine, that´s why they didn´t sold almost any car but interior wise were well equiped and not like other sedans but very original ,only with a already seen body from 20 years ago, the ones who had money to buy them already had the chrisler sedan with the same body, regards

Yes, no professional presentation, just a rant to attract the KZfaq crowd. They show works pictures of the European version of the Mondial QV which had 240 HP and accelerated from 0-62 mph (0-100 kph) in 7.4 seconds and reached a top speed of 150 mph (240 kph). Obviously they have no clue what they are talking about, which is astonishing for such a channel.

@@nicoroehr "WAAAHHHH THIS FREE CONTENT IM GETTING FOR FREE HAD A MISTAKE" no ones forcing you to watch mate, you can always unsubscribe and stop watching

Also those side strakes can't be emulating the Testarossa as the Mondial was launched first.

They did mention that the later QV version was significantly faster. But still, i would expect more from a Ferrari. Even a much older BMW 6 series is as fast as the Mondial (635CSI: 7,6; 229km/h, M635CSI: 6,4; 255km/h). And the 635CSI was sold since 1978, the M635CSI since 1982, so several years older. But i agree: I would not call the Mondial an awful car.

The Mondial's hideous performance inspired Toyota to use the phrase, "If it was anything less, it'd be a Ferrari." This was used to advertise the Turbocharged MR2 introduced in 1990.

Look at a white convertible. Gorgeous.

No accounting for taste. If it’s so desirable why is it far cheaper than any other Fezza?

@@ParallelSyntax because the masses aren’t smart!

@@automotiveaffairsshorts That, or it’s a bit crap. People that defend it haven’t ever driven another Ferrari. Compare it to a 308 (even that was far from a great car), you’ll see why it was panned by all the car journalists in the day. Like I say, they’re cheap for a reason. That and the GTB Dino (another car that people defend despite it what was so bad that Ferrari took their name off it). Oh and that 400

@@ParallelSyntax - All four seater Ferraris are cheaper than their 2-seater counterparts, because Ferrari snobs don't consider Ferraris with back seats to be "true Ferraris." The Mondial also suffers for this. 250 GTEs were also cheap for years. 400 GTs, 400is, and 412s are still cheap and oft-mocked, despite being fundamentally just 365 Daytonas with trunks and rear seats. The 456 GT is also fairly cheap today, despite being arguably the best thing Ferrari built in the '90s.

Terrific is the Aston Martin

Yeah, I don't care what anyone says, I find them to be very very beautiful. Both inside and out.

Yeah, I absolutely love the lagonda

In my opinion it is the most outstanding Aston Martin or Lagonda like it shall be named. For the time it had some pretty amazing tech, and it was expensive. It still is, selling for 300 to 400 grand in Germany.

@@LexusLFA554 - 300 - 400K? I don’t think so! 30 - 40K perhaps.

me too I adore the Lagonda

I regard it as the most beautiful mass-produced car EVER. I still remember the first Stag I ever saw.

I suppose there must be some reason why they didn’t use the great Rover/Buick V8?

@@johnd296 I remember once on a jeremy clarkson program apparently the head of rover didn't like the head of triumph so refused him sales of the v8 even though they were under the Leyland umbrella. If it's really true or not I'm not sure.

The Seven S4 really was hideous though.

The side intakes on the Testarossa were for the engine cooling radiators. On the Mondial, they were for engine air intake on the right hand side, and oil cooler on the left hand side. They did not have to be as large as the Testarossa.

Reminds me of that scene in The Scent of a Woman where Al Pacino (playing a blind guy) decides to take a Mondial convertible out for a test drive

see another person who knows what a car is ,and manual transmition , didn´t knew if they were made with automatic but that was considered a crime in Europe sport cars with automatic ,feels like sport cars for 90 years old persons, instead of rpm counter a big clock ,you don´t change the gears why a rpm counter or why a sport car ,a mercedes SE with automatic aceptable ,if one is fisically diminished and wants to feels a powerfull V8 , S-class from mercedes it is, and one can take the grandsons for a drive and eat a gelato or sorbete

I’d hate to hear your description of driving a 1980s Lamborghini Countach … a truly awful car to drive, especially in a traffic situation…. Of course it was iconic But nothing else … I should know, I Owned one … in 1986/7/8 But enjoyed the crowds it got everywhere it parked up…

also in mid 90´s i started to drive a BMW 1502 that i owned in mint condition from 1975 , it´s the same of the 2002 but with 1.5 engine but mine uses a 1.6 engine with one carburator ,instead of two in the 1602 or 4 barrel carburator in the 2002 model, when camping lot´s of kids mainly from germany always looking at the car and when i used to arrive from the beach, they used to ask me if it was really a BMW, none of them had ever seen this 02 models from the 70´s , some years ago when prices of the 2002 tii reached the 50.000€ they become more known and seen in car shows ,i used to show them the dash where functions are all printed in metal but in german language ,nothing there is written in english, and have to say a very practical and minimalist design ,normally the center console wrottens and i took it and only kept the ashtrey and the two conectors on that litle panel atatched to the lower part of the dash(in the midle) with two screws .

@@barryhill1044 Never had the opportunity, but the doors remind me of a chop saw, not inviting at all. Also wasn't impressed with the styling, a big let down, after the Miura!

"It's duned, Captain Mainwaring, doooned I tell ye!"

If you look at the Tiiumph TR range as a garden, the 1 is the seedlings, the 4 and 5 the flower beds, the 6 the rose garden and the 7 the compost heap.

@@simondavis5415 lol. I like that.

I thought of a similar Ferrari restomodding some years ago, when I had the means but never got it started. I got offered a key ready Enzo engine for $66k and my mind started racing for what to put it in! I thought of a 308 GTB 1975-77 fibreglass car with a wrecked engine but never got started on the mating process. Could have been so glorious!

So true

I think the 308GT4 is one of the most beautiful cars ever built!

The Lancia Beta Coupe is nice if you can find a rust free example and a lot of the negative reaction to the Arna in the press was due to the feeling that it was a cheat to get Japanese cars into the European market. Having said that, I'd still prefer a hard to find rust free Alfasud than a Arna, even if the Japanese steel might have lasted a little longer than the Italian steel.

My father was a huge fan of Italian cars from the mid-60’s until 1989 (when the last Ferrari 328 was made), and although he owned many different Italian sports cars (and several sedans) from that period, the Ghibli was his favorite. He has owned 6 different Ghibli’s since 1980, and right now he owns a ‘72 SS spyder with the 4.9 liter engine. To me the Ghibli is one of the most beautiful objects ever created, it’s perfect from every angle, coupe or convertible. I love driving them, the speed and the sound and the handling are just incredible. My father owned 2 Ferrari 365gtb4 “Daytona” and they’re also flawlessly beautiful and sound amazing, but it’s a handful until you reach highway speeds. The Bora’s my father had were amazing cars (although we both hated the hydraulic brake pedal), but mechanically it was an extremely complex car, and every mechanic said it was a nightmare to work on, as where the Ghibli was a more “normal” car to work on. The Bi-Turbo really did a lot of damage to Maserati’s reputation. My father never bought one, because the bad news came pretty quickly when they first came out. It’s really too bad, because it could’ve been a great car if it had just been built correctly. My dream car is a 1978-81 BMW M1, a perfect combination of Italian looks and BMW build quality. Unfortunately, they destroyed the molds to make the fiberglass body, so if you need a replacement panel, you’re screwed.

Yeah the spider looks better because you don't have the C-pillar/buttress to highlight how awkwardly long the car's tail is.

The engine comes out really easily. Just undo the 4 bolts each side of the chassis mount, and the 3 nuts on top of the shock mount and you're pretty much done. The entire subframe with suspension, engine, exhaust etc comes out in one piece and makes for really easy servicing. I can do a clutch or a cambelt(s) without even having to take the engine out. Some people just prefer to take the subframe off instead. Its easy. Ive had my Mondial QV for 17 years and had no issues with it whatsoever.

The ATS is a more accurate equivalent in size to the Cimarron, and the FF is a V12 powered front engined car, not a mid engined V8 like the Mondial, the 360 and it's successors are more accurate.

CATERA

The Cimarron had nothing in common with the CTS or anything else Cadillac ever built. It would only have required the swapping out of a few chrome-plated plastic bits to make a Cimarron externally indistinguishable from a Cavalier. In fact, if you wanted your Cavalier with leather as well as power windows, locks and seat, (why not??), the best way to get it would have been to buy a used Cimarron at a fire-sale price.

they missed the Pinto because FORD is not a brilliant brand at all

That's what I thought! Not far off Sierra Cosworth level.

A friend of mine has one that he has done some mods to and it is around 250 hp. That is one fun car to drive.

It's an old USDM rating though so that's probably at the crank, on a test bench, with none of the pumps and accessories attached.

@@boheyo how do you think all engines of that era and before were rated.

@@donziperk In Europe you primarily saw German DIN ratings that were typically like 30% lower than their US SAE equivalents.

Dolomites was horrible

I have had my Mondial QV for 17 years and it really is an excellent car.

The same goes for saying an old car is slow.

The Mondial sat above the 308/328 in the Ferrari range. It was more expensive. (Full disclosure I have an ‘83 QV. It really is an excellent car)

@@AdrianFClarke interesting, when I read about the Mondial, it's touted as being the most affordable/cheapest Ferrari back in the day

I always thought the very obvious positive camber geometry on the front end of the Maserati Biturbo looked a bit old fashioned and strange. Other than that I quite liked them.

The spider rear end rather looks like the first convertible 3 series bmw in 1986..

The agro was bad. But worse was the Princess. Both trounced the Marina . That takes some doing

Allegro was my first thought, but title says from brilliant brands.

My first car was a Buick Skyhawk had the 2.0. So far as I could tell no benefit over a Cavalier. But the Cadillac at least had options, and would've loved a Cimarron to replace that Buick. Or better, one of the Z24's with the v6, 5 speed, and digital dash.

I never did pursue one myself, but I recall all the Cimarrons in the L.A. area seemed to be driven by old(er) women. I never did connect the dots for a sensible used car like that until later on (mid-2000s) when Buicks from a few years prior were sought after because of how well kept they were by their old(er) owners.

My thoughts exactly. I would have the Cimarron as a used car anyday. But would not have bought one new at twice the price of the Chevy version.

If they released it with the V6 from the gate it would have been a success

Meh. At the end of the day, still a puddingmobile, and there's always been heaps of lightly-used Camrys about. A better car in every way than a J-body, unless you're trying to get on the lawn at LeMons.

@@mattagnew206 The original poster mentioned these were great used cars in the 1990s. Of course nowadays, there are numerous better choices. I doubt there are any Cimarrons even for sale.

Mike and Edd had a BiTurbo through the Wheeler Dealers workshop. The previous owner cured the problem, he converted it to a milk float, well converted it to electric, They updated the electric system from a DC motor and lead-acid batteries to twin AC motors and modern battery tech

It was way way ahead of it's time and a GREAT drive. First front wheel drive practical family hatch back in the EU. Pity about the quality of the steel used because they actually did rust in the showroom from the inside out due to Russian steel not being correctly recycled - Yip: NOT a rumour. The steel ame from the eastern block recycling their ships and was full of ..... rust when delivered in great big rolls already.

Hmmm, looks like a badly executed copy of a Citroen GS to me.

@@team3383 not only rust, but also all kinds of metals, as they never bothered to clean the raw recycling stuff out of anythign that should not be there. these steel sheets were made all over eastern europe, and delivered across the iron curtain, and car makers were forced to use it because there was no other sheet available. so even Mercedes and Porsche from a certain era corrode like dipped in acid. add to it that nobody bothered with cavity-protection and stuff except some owners with bad experiences you have cars that would not pass technical inspection after their third year...

@@lotharrenz4621 I know, but somehow the "mainstream" ignore it and just say that the cars were poorly designed and just disappeared. It was the great "cold war" period and the beginnings of globalisation. Look where it's got us. I sound like my grandfather but I did prefer the 70's...

Rust was an issue because of British road salting , BMW's of that period were also rust buckets. The twin cam was the same as the Fiat, I had the 125 Special not another 1600cc could touch it and could give a Lotus Cortina a run for its money

The Sprint's engine had a bore of 90,3 whereas the Stag's was 86 mm.

Probably a harder impact with the tree.

Stag heads are handed so you wouldn't be able to put Sprint heads on both banks of the Vee.

Indeed!

My thought too.

I too really like the Mondial and the Biturbo.

I'm thinking the same thing, although performance is a dog

That would be saying that pontiac was a "brilliant car brand".

@@RenotsBoy oh riiiight...lol

It's too ugly, to put on a list on KZfaq, might scare away subscribers!

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