But theres something Sonic has done that Mario tends not to do and that's DLC acordind to Sega documents and how the last games have happen there's a 90 to 95% chance of Superstars DLC and maybe they will add online multiplayer new playable characters more stuff that will make this games legacy improve

Sonic superstars is really a great game so I'm proud to be a sonic fan.

You forgot to mention the music composition was very Sonic 4ish mediocre, etc.

Yeah really liked the game too the only thing that made me mad was the final boss and trips final boss because they were bs. And also I think there is a high chance we will get DLC.

Superstars is just that, mediocre. It needed to be better than mania and it wasn't. The bosses were designed with co-op in mind and that was a huge mistake especially since they didn't reel it back when playing single player. One more thing, the music. Why is it so ass? Sonic is known for banger osts especially the genesis tracks, no offense to tee lopes as he did a fantastic job with all his tracks.

Give Sonic Team more credit. If it was up to Sega, it would have released a year earlier in a Broken state and abandoned like Colors Ultimate. Absolute jokers.

​@@spritvio639fans make better games than them

@@quandaledingleofficial6 Wow, that's kind of sad. Sega puts years and months into their games. And you think that fans who spend a week did a better job?

​@@blast7061tbf they literally made Sonic Mania.

@@daniellejackson6543 It's not completely fan made.

I love being a fan of mario and sonic

Yeah. Because Sonic fell off so far that the only reasonable thing to do is to back out immediately.

It’s just friendly competition, it might not look like it but it is

Sonic was literally designed to compete with Mario. Even though the console wars are long over, it’s only natural that people will still compare them to each other because their rivalry was so iconic

True, Mario will never lose so its not a contest

yeah dude I thought it would be 1/10

​@@batterysnatcherI thought it would be a 0/10

@@Paperio_tbh I thought it’d be -1/10

I would expect ign to give it a 0/10 since it’s a good game

@@gmoneythestickmanIt really isn't. Frontiers is so grindy and repetitive it's boring. the cyperspace levels and physics are so lazily made it's sad. The writing isn't as good either.

Agreed

True that.. true that

What’s even crazier is Super Mario wonder beat spider man 2 💀

@@ohosmandivine6770 surprisingly yeah

​@@ohosmandivine6770maybe because the critics know mario since 1983

I didn’t do enough to flesh out the point because this was an unscripted off the cuff video but I understand what you mean. I think when you get towards the end of trips campaign and play levels like golden capital it’s just a bunch of BS thrown in the level that would never make it fun to replay or ever be able to complete the level fast. But in terms of the main campaign I think they do a good job with the level design overall. Thanks for watching I appreciate the contribution to the discussion as well!

That's exactly the problem with Sonic unfortunately. The biggest issue with the games by far is that you get these sudden difficulty spikes out of the blue that really take the player out of the story the games are trying to tell because they keep having to redo segments of the game. Meanwhile with the Mario games, the difficulty of the segments that story progression is locked behind is balanced enough to where you might die once, but generally unless you're going for the optional challenge stages that aren't tied to plot progression, you are able to get to the end of the story pretty comfortably. The Sonic games need to fix this issue in order to even start to try to compete with Mario, as the developers claim they want to do. Having difficult segments like that is fine, but you should never lock story progression behind them. They should be completely optional. When we play a game for the first time, we don't want to have to go back. We don't care about finding the optimal path. We just want to play the game and get to the end to see how the story unfolds. Did I finish this game? Yes. Eventually. Will I ever go back and play it again? Probably not. I really don't want to have to go through all that again. And evidently, most people feel the way I do. Sega needs to wake up on this.

yeah, some critics will say stupid crap like "this game is so hard, it's not worth playing" supposedly losing to the first boss in some games when the game is way easier than they claim. It's clear that some reviewers just make up crap for the attention. It's always better to play a game yourself. Admittedly, I actually like 06 despite knowing it's a bad game. There's still some guilty pleasure for me that I can get out of some of it's jank. Plus, speedrunners make almost any game look amazing tbh.

I agree I like superstars better than mania because it’s more original and feels fresh.

HAHAHAHAHHA thanks I needed that laugh. Mania is leagues ahead of Superstars.

Oh boy... the bosses... they stall way too much.

I have them both, and I don't want to say one is better than the other, but I think Sonic is more fun. When I turn on my switch, the first game I want to play right now is sonic.

@@TheCapnMorgan But it plays like trash.

I agree

I agree

Agreed. It is so annoying.

Sonic was made to be a Mario competitor and Sega themself even said they want to Compete with Mario and again and even surpass himz

Sega literally said they wanted to make Sonic compete against Mario like they did back in the 90's. So comparisons are correct.

What about Sega?

Sega with Platinum Games: _C'mon take your time._ Sega with Sonic Team: *_I WANT THAT GAME FOR YESTERDAY!_*

It's not GameFreak's fault. The Pokémon Company makes them overwork 365 days of the year because they want a big main game per year. Even Nintendo tried to tell them "please, slow down because we don't want broken games." And GF being the slave of TPC, which is 3 thirds property of Nintendo.

it was executed particularly poorly in this game though

Dark levels though I'm pretty skilled at Mario Panasonic mostly Mario dark levels are pretty skilled and actually pretty cool if you ask me Finnegan that's just my personal opinion so

Frozen base act 1 was fire wish we got a follow up to that as well. Bosses REALLY drag the game down, while the main campaign platforming levels are generally pretty solid.

Pretty sure Mario is a veteran in multiplayer and this is sonic’s first time

That’s all that matters 💯

TBF, Superstars has 8.9 user score and Wonder has 9.1 which are VERY close I still believe that Superstars should get at least a score of 83 or something like that

Mario Wonder did get rated before it is even released so

Me toooooooooooooooooo

​@@andrebabani7152yeah yeah Mario better 🙄

I'd say it's that people have an expectation of sonic, and the conflict between 2D and 3D fans. mario doesn't have this issue because they routinely deliver both 2D and 3D games. that and mario fans are really accustomed to change. we rarely get more than 2 mario games in the same style. mario bros 1 and lost levels is dramatically different from mario bros 2 and bros 3 feels wildly different from everything that came before. mario started out in donkey kong and demolition crew. mario world was a little different from 3, but then world 2 was a totally different game. even the 3D games are almost all totally different games. There isn't much expectation for "what a mario game is". sonic though, sonic 1,2,CD and 3&knuckles are very similar games. the mechanics feel the same, and you'll be just as comfortable with any of them as you would the others. they more or less feel like one continuous game. this is why sonic 4 was so utterly hated, because it didn't feel like the next part of this continuous game. fans have this expectation of 2D sonic. this is also why mania was so beloved, because it DID feel like it continued the continuous game. Sonic team just doesn't seem to understand this expectation, and wants to just copy nintendo with random zany ideas (sometimes copy too much). then, among the fanbase, there is a huge division. because there are many continuous subserieses in the sonic franchise. worse yet, most of these get abandoned and replaced with newer ones. 2D classic sonic died and was replaced with adventure and advance. 06 killed the adventure format, and boost format replaced adventure and advance with rush and unleashed. the boost formula has been around until whatever you'd call frontiers. lost worlds was also different, but didn't do well, so it was just a one off, but frontiers is successful, so it'll likely be the new 3D format going forward. each format has it's hardcore fans, but classic 2D fans clash the most with adventure and especially boost style fans. 3D fans think that 2D is inherently inferior to 3D and shouldn't exist, adventure and classic fans think boost is a lazy boring boost to win mode, sonic 3&K fans fight fervently with Adventure 2 fans for title of best game in the series. advance and rush fans tend to be pretty chill though for some reason. so, for super stars, the 3D fans probably see it as a waste of time and a threat to their preferred format, and 2D classic fans are judging it based on the expectations of the one long continuous game.

​@@NebulaSondo I got to spill the beans

in my personal opinion i like 2D mario more because i don't like the speed factor. it just doesn't work that well, especially in 2D.

Same. It sucks to sonic always losing to mario in most peoples eyes tho. 😔

​@@aquaponieeeYou are wrong. Speed Factor DO work in 2D. Let me explain why: remember when Yuji Naka took inspiration from Mario's first level??? It was to see how FAST he could beat level in Super Mario. So basically you have contradicted yourself.

​@@aquaponieeemario fanTARD

​@@afronautexplorer144Still, the guy don't like the "speed factor" in 2D games. I honestly only prefer the classic Sonics (Sonic 1, 2, 3&K and Mania) and Sonic Generations & Unleashed, just that, all of the rest is just crap for me. The 3D Mario games will be forever *better* than 3D Sonic games (with exception of the two games i mentioned). For me, Mario is better than Sonic!

Facts

Perhaps you never heard of Mario's downs like Color Splash

@@zeroxenoverse9251 Those are spin-offs. We're talking about the mainline franchise. We're not comparing Hotel Mario and Sonic's Schoolhouse.

Agreed, I think SEGA is starting just now to see that Sonic is actually worth investing in as a game IP due to the success of Frontiers and the movie franchise. So we will see what the future holds in the next 5-10 years

Yeah when I see people saying its sonic 06 or sonic 4 etc. its like HOW?!

​@@SonicHubYTThose discussions started with leaked versions, which means it was played by people so excited to play it that they couldn't wait for official release. People who are so hyped are nearly guaranteed to be Sonic fans who wanted to see Super Sonic ending. That means after suffering through the final boss of Story Mode, they played Trip's Story which makes all the issues of the game even worse. Spiky enemies everywhere, bottomless pits and other insta-kill obstacles ruin level design, bosses which were already waitfests became twice as long (or longer if they die), Fangbot takes forever, each attempt takes forever and can be ruined by tons of various instakill attacks that restart the battle from the start and Super Sonic boss fight is just tons of waiting which are the best utilized for praying to RNGesus to spawn friends with rings, the worst final boss in the entire series. That's the final impression they got - worse level design, boring bosses that take forever and two terrible final bosses. Most problems about Superstars are backloaded to Trip's Story and Last Story. And after they were done with those two - they came to complain online with terrible last impression. Superstars is great if you stick just to Story Mode. Most average people will do that, and praise the game, while fans who couldn't even wait for release end up with bitter aftertaste.

@@Gnidel Good analysis that makes sense. Crazy enough I really like playing as trip as a character her story just sucks towards the end and the bosses as well. When I replay though I will be only sticking to story which is pretty solid minus some of the waiting around during bosses

That’s just 4chan. They hate everything and are always negative lol

@@Gnidel With that being said, I've always wondered if the bad IGN review of Sonic Unleashed HD was cause the reviewer suffered through EggmanLand which no doubt would've left a nasty taste in his mouth.

not gonna lie, i dont see why everyone likes the 2d sonic games so much, sure they are good but i only see them as A tier games (except for sonic 2 the goat)

@@TailsHub7 Because the 3D Sonic games ALWAYS have problems beyond just having story segments locked behind challenges that are prohibitively difficult (such as frequent glitches in most of them). Superstars has glitches, but for the most part you need to really go out of your way to find them.

@@SBaby i dont experience glitches in most 3d sonic games, plus all games have problems. they arent reallly exclusive to sonic

@@TailsHub7 Sonic games have a reputation of flinging you off ledges, and there's a glitch in Frontiers that basically lets you skip half of certain areas. I don't recall a single Mario game that ever had something like that unless it was intentional and actually part of the game.

@@SBaby when did sonic games have a reputation of flining you offf ledges 💀 also stop comparing a 50 billion dollar company games to a 3 billion dollar company games

That wasnt me

@@SonicHubYT That's what they all say, Sonic T. Hub.

As someone who plays a lot of Mario maker 2 and Classic Sonic Sim (Sonic & Mario level makers) it’s a lot easier to make a good mario level so that makes sense

@@SonicHubYT yo I play a LOT of CSS and I’m not being narcissistic but I think my Sonic levels are pretty good! I don’t play Mario maker 2 cos I’m too brokand not interested enough.

Mario Maker 2 is one of my favorite games is factually better than that Sonic maker thing I mean I played it but it wasn't really possible to make a good level for me but when Mario Maker it was so fun and also they should have had the online play from Mario Wonder Mario wonder is a 10 out of 10 game to be honest but to be fair they should have had like the multiplayer like in Mario Maker 2 what you could actually play with different people not as a ghost but like a physical player that would have been way better

Spider man 2 is better than sonic superstars

*Marvel's Block-Man 2

@@quandaledingleofficial6 tf that suppose to mean?

⁠@@DayDreamHasGoldI’d imagine the comment was made as a reference to that one glitch in sm2 where spider man turns into a white cube

@@avocadeous ah okay

Ok they were right

Yeah SuperStars was pretty much doomed to fail

​@@HeroTheHedgehog999you know superstars is released on all of the consoles right?

@@dontbecomelgbt Multiplat games can still fail in terms of sales. Look at games like Crash Team Rumble, Overwatch 2, Balan Wonderworld, etc. Not saying Superstars flopped cuz despite the release of Mario Wonder n Spider Man 2, im pretty sure the game still made decent buck for Sega/Sonic Team and it will probably keep growing once they drop the price to $40 or lower along with the announcement of dlc 4 Superstars

The soundtrack in superstars is bad but gameplay is what matters for me

That wasn’t me

​​@@SonicHubYT8:46 "With the new character I'm not gonna spoil it" 10:49-11:05 you show the final boss of base game and Trip's final boss.

@@thecocopopsman8578 nah that was someone else

Hey Sonic any new characters oh I guess tails knuckles and Amy again😅😅

Yeah that's not new we got Mario also producing new enemies and gimmicks and other gameplay skills like it's the back of their hand don't even get me started on enemies enemies definitely nee😊😊😊😊

Good point.

THANK YOU!!! Mania is so damn overrated and I've seen people act like it is the best.

I mean the developers of the games should be competing with their peers in the industry or that’s a huge problem for us as consumers

😂😂😂

Its already done! Just waiting for the right day to upload it tbh

I know, right? I like Sonic more than Mario, and even I agree with this.

FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT!

The sonic fans are out rage 💀

The way my blood was BOILING during some of those boss fights I cant even put into words lol

@@SonicHubYT I literally don’t know if I want to buy Sonic Superstars or Mario Wonder. I am a hardcore Sonic fan but I wanna goof around with my sister with the elephants in Mario Wonder. Help me!

@@XAutumnXandCorruptednebula both are good! I would imagine you will catch superstars on sale before the holidays so maybe start with Mario wonder

@@SonicHubYT ok thx!

Why are you not accepting the fact that superstars is mediocre, i get its sonic but this game is mid, bosses are too long and have one hit kos,the game is too short for a full priced game, the ost is ruined bc of jun senoue, and and you're not going fast like in the previous classic titles.

@@quandaledingleofficial6 Because your personal opinion is not a fact first of all, secondly it doesn't matter one way or the other because it changes nothing about what I said.

Mario Wonder isn’t considered better because “popularity”. Mario’s last game is widely considered mid (New Super Mario Bros. U). But they learned from that and gave us Mario Maker and now Wonder. Sonic is just made by a team that barely knows what they’re doing and won’t hand over the reins to a team with passion and creativity. I really wish there was a good team behind Sonic because my first ever game was Sonic the Hedgehog and made me fall in love with games.

@@christopherbradley7149 Who said Mario was considered better because of popularity? Lol where did I state either game was better than the other?

Yall need to read and understand before you comment lol