Regardless of who you’re a fan of I think we can all admit that a) it was very close and b) the hate that Derek has gotten simply because he won a close decision is unwarranted. We as fans need to be more respectful of these athletes.

Time Stamps: 🕛 00:00 The podcast starts with excitement and introductions from the hosts. 🕒 03:05 The hosts discuss the challenges of competing in a late-night show, emphasizing the importance of adjusting schedules for optimal performance. 🕠 05:50 The discussion shifts to the timing of the show and how it has changed over the years, with a focus on the challenges posed by late start times. 🕣 08:28 Discussion about the scheduling challenges for athletes in late-night competitions and a suggestion to have men's divisions at the Expo for better lighting and timing. 🕥 10:57 Analysis of Hadi Choopan's performance and the debate about his size and conditioning, particularly from the back, in comparison to Derek Lunsford. 🕖 13:47 Derek Lunsford's exceptional performance, especially in the back double biceps pose, and the discussion of whether he deserves the Mr. Olympia title. 🕟 16:37 Discussion about the improvements made by Derek Lunsford in his physique, particularly in pecs and legs, and the debate regarding his abdominal shot in the posing rounds. 🕠 20:44 Analysis of Brandon Curry's performance and challenges, including his fasting due to ulcers in his esophagus and the question of whether he could have challenged the top three competitors. 🕔 24:55 Discussion about the performance of Andrew Jack and Samson Dauda, and the potential for improvement in terms of size, structure, and condition. 🕦 28:54 Analysis of the performance of Hunter Labrada and comparisons with previous showings, focusing on his shape, structure, and the importance of achieving the right conditioning for success in the Olympia competition. 🕢 32:54 Discussion about the potential of bodybuilder Hunter Labrada and his genetic advantage for future success as a contender for Mr. Olympia, considering his genetics and family background. 🕗 37:02 Analysis of various bodybuilders' performances, including Antonio Burton, Regan Grimes, and Charles Griffin, discussing their strengths, areas for improvement, and the impact of lighting and staging on their appearances at the Olympia competition. 🕛 40:57 Discussion about several bodybuilders who participated in the competition, including notable mentions like Hassan, Theo Leguerrier , and Phil Viz. 🕕 45:15 A mention of Nick Walker and recognition of his performance in the competition, highlighting the importance of achieving a top-six placement as the next step in his bodybuilding career. 🕤 49:44 Discussion about bodybuilders adjusting their positions during the competition and concerns regarding moving forward and stepping over the line. 🕒 53:37 Detailed analysis of the Side Chest pose, focusing on the strengths and weaknesses of individual bodybuilders, including Derek, Andrew, Samson, Brandon, and Hunter. 🕙 57:55 In-depth analysis of bodybuilders' performance in various poses, including the Side Tricep pose, and comparisons of their strengths and weaknesses. 🕜 1:02:00 Discussion about the distance competitors have to walk during prejudging comparisons and observations on their poses and physique qualities. 🕦 1:06:02 Discussion of bodybuilders' poses during prejudging, especially focusing on the Quad Stomp pose and competitors crossing the line during comparisons. 🕜 1:10:41 Analysis of competitors' performance during prejudging, specifically in the Side Chest and Abdominal and Thighs poses, with a focus on their strengths and weaknesses. 🕣 1:15:37 Detailed analysis of bodybuilders during the posing routines, focusing on the comparison of various poses and the criteria for evaluating their muscularity, conditioning, and proportions. 🕧 1:19:58 Discussion and assessment of specific bodybuilding poses, such as the Side Triceps and Abdominal and Thigh poses, with a focus on individual competitors' strengths and areas for improvement. 🕒 1:23:52 Detailed commentary on the bodybuilders' poses during a competition, discussing how they use various techniques to present themselves effectively on stage. 🕦 1:28:16 Discussion about the results of the competition, focusing on the performance of the athletes and their strengths and areas for improvement, as well as comparing the winners of different categories. 🕢 1:32:28 Discussion of the Classic Physique competition and the strengths and weaknesses of the competitors, particularly focusing on Chris Bumstead's dominance in posing. 🕦 1:36:28 Analysis of the Bikini competition, with a specific focus on the victory of the contestant Jennifer Dory and a comparison with other competitors like Moren and Ashley. 🕤 1:41:08 Discussion of the winners and competition results in various categories, including Figure and Men's Physique. 🕛 1:45:11 Reflections on the competition and a discussion of the competitors' future plans, including the potential comeback of previous champions. 🕓 1:48:57 Discussion of various topics, including Hadi Choopan's travel restrictions, upcoming competitions, and costs of renting a car vs. using Uber. 🕞 1:52:50 Discussion of the upcoming events, including a show in Romania and Hadi Choopan's Pro debut, as well as predictions for fights at Madison Square Garden.

We all need a coach like Milos. He LOVES Samson!!!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No one should be mad a Derek. The judges made the decision

Milos called me a stalker at the Olympia because I ran into him over 5 times 😂😂❤️

Who else would like time stamps on Cutler's cast?

Milos' cardio joke was the best 😂

Love hearing Milos' analysis and critiques. The guys is a historian, and a super-passionate fan. The Cardio Joke had me dying😂.

As an Iranian fan, I congratulate Derek and wish him the best He is a loving and moral person

I was looking forward for this podcast, thanks guys!

Milos: You want to tell me he wins this shot? Jay: YES! 😂

They should put a 4 inch tall barrier strip on the stage to stop them from stepping over the line. That way everybody is seen with the correct perspective.

So many pros will say that you win from the back. This is still holds true for Derek!👍

51:54 ''What are you talking about 2020'' Jay killed me with that one! Love you Jay!

Guys, I m from Italy, and I m almost crying... thanks for these contents, in Europe we don't have those things and those experts like jay and Milos. I m so grateful to have the possibility to have this material, it s a gift for my passion and for myself. Thanks to all of you❤️

Milos and Dorian taking shots at each other is hilarious

Work day saver been looking forward for this episode

Your eyes just went to Hadi he had that polish,hard dence muscle.This is what upsets folks, politics.Fans want these judges to be impartial and the best package should win,that what the sport needs!

Amazing show! Great analysis.

Great insight gentlemen! God bless!

Anyone remember the controversy of the 2007 Mr. Olympia?? I think since that one this is the most controversial since then.

One thing I really like about Derek is that shape and silhouette in most of the poses is just mythical. Looks a bit otherworldly even

I have been waiting for this -- for the last few days....i'm getting a drink and i'm going to enjoy this one tonight!

Great job Cutler Cast. Been lookin forward to this.

Been looking forward for this since the competition ended! Best BB podcast out there! Great breakdowns

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🏆 Introduction and Initial Thoughts - The podcast discusses the 2023 Olympia and the excitement around it. 01:11 🏋️‍♂️ Initial Placings and Expectations - The hosts discuss the top 6 competitors and their predictions for the Olympia. 02:21 💪 Derek Lunsford's Win and the Unpredictable Show - Derek Lunsford's victory is highlighted, and the hosts talk about how the Olympia turned out to be unpredictable. 03:34 📊 Judging Process and Samson Haddad's Performance - Discussion about the judging process, including how Samson Haddad performed and the competitive nature of the event. 05:26 🕒 Timing of the Show and Its Impact - The hosts discuss the late timing of the Olympia and its potential impact on competitors' condition. 08:00 💡 Suggested Changes for Future Shows - Suggestions are made regarding the timing and organization of future Olympia events. 10:31 📏 The Importance of Midsection in Judging - A debate on the significance of midsection and abs in bodybuilding judging. 15:00 🏆 Derek Lunsford's Posing and Most Improved Athlete - Discussion about Derek Lunsford's posing, physique, and improvement over the years. 20:12 🤔 The Ab Shot Controversy - A discussion on the controversy surrounding the ab shot and different posing techniques. 21:35 💪 Discussing Brandon Curry's Olympia performance - Analyzing Brandon Curry's physique and challenges he faced. - Speculating on how he might have fared against the top three competitors. 24:52 🏋️‍♂️ Assessing Andrew Jack's performance - Evaluating Andrew Jack's performance and improvements. - Comparing him to other competitors, particularly Samson Dauda. 27:35 💪 Smaller competitors in bodybuilding - Discussing the success of shorter competitors in bodybuilding. - Exploring the criteria for success in bodybuilding competitions, including size, symmetry, proportion, muscularity, balance, and conditioning. 33:44 🏆 Antonio Burton's performance - Assessing Antonio Burton's physique and performance. - Comparing Antonio Burton to other competitors and discussing his potential in bodybuilding. 35:38 🦾 Charles Griffin's top 10 placement - Discussing Charles Griffin's impressive top 10 placement. - Analyzing his physique, particularly his conditioning. 39:07 💡 Regan Grimes' performance and physique - Evaluating Regan Grimes' physique and discussing his strengths and areas for improvement. - Addressing the impact of lighting and ambience on stage presentations at bodybuilding competitions. 42:50 🏋️‍♂️ Discussion on bodybuilders' posing and stage positioning. - Mention of the lighting and backdrop on the stage. - Discussion about the triceps and a gym incident involving a pullover machine. - Mention of Hassan and his injury, debate on his placement in the competition. 45:18 💪 Analysis of several bodybuilders' performance and placement. - Evaluation of a French competitor's physique, noting the need for more size. - Mention of a French competitor's structural issues with size and width. - Discussion about a competitor from Iran and addressing political claims related to his placement. 47:08 🤔 Speculation on how certain bodybuilders would have placed in the competition. - Discussion of how additional competitors might have affected the rankings. - Consideration of various scenarios regarding the rankings. - Mention of the importance of competition and motivation for bodybuilders. 49:44 💬 Evaluation of specific bodybuilders' strengths and weaknesses in various poses. - Assessment of the bodybuilders' performance in different poses. - Debate on the strengths and weaknesses of each competitor's physique. - Mention of Derek's exceptional back double biceps pose. 57:52 💪 In-depth analysis of a bodybuilder's dominance in specific poses. - Discussion about a bodybuilder's incredible performance and dominance in certain poses. - Comparison of the physique and attributes of multiple competitors. - Speculation about the impact of stage lighting on the perceived physique of the competitors. 01:02:44 📊 Analysis of competitors' performances in different poses. - Examination of the physique and performance of bodybuilders in various poses. - Focus on the bodybuilder's midsection, arms, and overall physique. - Discussion about the positioning of competitors on stage and its impact on judging. 01:04:10 🏋️‍♂️ Discussing the lineup positioning during the Olympia prejudging, - Analyzing the placement of athletes in the lineup. 01:04:55 💡 Observations about the spacing and movement of athletes on stage, - Noting the distance athletes walk during the prejudging. 01:05:25 🚶‍♂️ Discussing the competitors' positioning on stage, - Commenting on the athletes' movements and placement. 01:07:07 💪 Analyzing the physique of various competitors during the prejudging, - Observing the athletes' muscle condition and posing. 01:09:24 🏆 Discussing key competitors and poses during the prejudging, - Evaluating the athletes' performance in specific poses. 01:16:42 🥇 Analyzing the top three competitors' poses and presentation, - Discussing the comparison between the top athletes in different poses. 01:19:11 🏆 Evaluating the final poses and performances of the top competitors, - Providing a final analysis of the top athletes' posing and physique. 01:27:56 🏆 Derek Lunsford's Olympia Victory - Derek Lunsford's victory at the 2023 Olympia. - Opinions on whether Derek deserved the win. - Discussion on the importance of ab shots and ab exercises for bodybuilders. 01:29:19 🏆 Ramone Wins Classic Physique - Discussion about Ramone winning the Classic Physique category. - Comparisons between competitors in the Classic Physique division. - Opinions on height limitations in open bodybuilding. 01:39:37 🏆 Jennifer Wins Bikini - Jennifer's victory in the Bikini category. - Comparison between Jennifer, Moren, and Ashley. - Opinions on the athletes' physique and performance. 01:41:24 🏆 Sarah Retains Figure Title - Sarah's successful defense of her Figure title. - Opinions on Sarah's performance and physique. - Comments on Natalia, another competitor in the Figure category. 01:42:19 🏆 Keon Wins Men's Physique - Keon's victory in the Men's Physique category. - Discussion on the competition and other competitors, like Banks and Ryan Terry. - Mention of Jeremy Buendia's performance in the Men's Physique division. 01:48:58 💪 Coach discusses the challenges of athletes' travel restrictions - Challenges athletes face with travel restrictions, impacting their competition options. 01:49:26 💰 Prize money for Arnold Classic and Olympia discussed - Discussion on the substantial prize money offered at Arnold Classic and Olympia. 01:50:07 🏆 Congratulating Derek Lunsford for winning the Olympia - Acknowledging Derek Lunsford's remarkable victory in the Olympia and discussing his achievements. 01:51:02 🌟 Praise for the organization of the Olympia event - Complimenting the smooth organization of the Olympia event and expressing gratitude to the organizers. 01:52:08 🚗 Discussion on the cost-effectiveness of Uber vs. renting a car - Comparing the costs of using Uber versus renting a car for transportation during the event. 01:53:15 🤝 Relationship with Nick Walker and plans for the future - Discussing the relationship with bodybuilder Nick Walker and future plans for collaboration. 01:54:10 💼 Upcoming events in Romania and discussions about visa processing - Upcoming bodybuilding events in Romania and the challenges associated with visa processing for athletes. 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Been waiting for this one!

Been waiting all weekend for this haha

It's ridiculous to ask how important is the ab shot. Body building has gone downhill since the golden era

Re. The timing and idea of using the Expo and a black backdrop… yes! Just that! Having suffered the over bright, camera ruining, distracting rolling backdrops and lighting on a $75 ppv it’s unfair on us but way more unfair to competitors who put so much into it to be sabotaged.

Thank you for your insights, expertise and humor. Best podcast in the whole BB-World in my opinion.

Love Jays knowledge and Milo. Great show!

I’ve been waiting for this episode. I can’t wait to hear everyone’s perspective

Finally, I couldn’t wait for this podcast! I’ve been going nuts thinking what you guys are going to say.

The most anticipated Podcast!!!

Lmao I love when they turn around to the back double bicep jay cutler just says it for what it is 😂😂

Next year the top three is going to be with Derek Samson and Nick

I had Hadi winning but also can understand why Derek won…

Been waiting for this!

Samson will be a force to be reckoned with in the future.

Glad to see experts breaking this down. 😂 Milos to Matt “ you’re reaching”

These guy's are all amazing!!!!! I would not have wanted to be a judge!!! They all were with in a few point's of each other!!! Real fan's understand how hard it is to separate your self from the other competition!!! They all put their Heart and Soul into the sport!!!! Much Respect to all the competitors!!!!!

I’m dissapointed in BB these days …

My fav BB is Andrew but this MR O i was left wanting more from him. More conditioned better posing and better attitude on stage. Like he was at the Texas Pro 23.

These episodes save me at my job. The day just flies by 🔥

Its injustice....you know

I thought this year they would fix the lighting, but somehow it got worse. I sat in some of the front few rows. The fog was so thick on saturday it blew off the stage into our seats. I could see half of everyone

The fact they had Keon win over Shawn clearly set the stage for Samson to win and then they didn’t follow through - crazy

Whenever Jay and Milos are on podcast it's good

What is Milos looking at??? Samson is not close to Derek or Hadi in side poses, especially side triceps. I mean I know he is biased coach but geez man. 🤣

100% agree with Matt here on the timing and doing pre-judging at the expo.. that would be awesome!

Great job with the video!!!!

🎉 well guys, been looking fwd to this one! Can I just say Regan! What a warrior to go through the food sensitivities is no joke- after cancer mine got worse. He made major improvements and championed his way through the difficulties & his partner is amazing!

Get Derek to the podcast 💪

Awesome insights from Jay and Milos, and gotta thank Milos for pointing out that Hadi's reaction wasn't out of disrespect. He probably couldn't even understand what Bob told him while he was leaving because he's hearing impaired and doesn't speak English. Congrats to Derek as well for bringing a hell of a package this year. Next year competition will be legendary.

Best breakdown, thank you.

Derek, Cbum, Keone and Ryan ❤, congrats you all

Manager Matt has the best summary/analysis at 1:30:04 !!

"Dorian is into Yoga" - i almost shi* my pants. Milos is the funniest Person in BB Universe i love it!

Love the show jay..

Is anyone gonna speak on the new champion injecting synthol in his lats,the two red balloons that are infected whe. He did the double biceps,and his arms too, he can't even get a bicep flex, when he does most muscular it looks like two water balloons 😅

No hate but Hadi deserved to win. Derek wasn't there yet. The organizers just wanted a better ambassador for the sport, american (check) christian (check). Politics

Jay me alegra verte y escucharte como viste el Olimpia nada ya es como en tu tiempo extraño esa época eras una estrella resplandeciente nadie brillo como tu el escenario era tu cielo pero ya verás yo lograré igualarte te admiro gracias por todo q

Thanks very much!!!

Milos ended Jay blowing Hunter “maybe Hunter could win if he was up there alone” was hilarious at the 32:48 mark.

Andrew should have been at least 4th. Samson and Andrew for top 2 next year.

The 2nd best podcast in the game 🙏🤩

Thanks Jay, Milos is always fire great insight from both of you and yes the lighting suck especially on the pay for view thought they were at a disco the Olympia needs to consider the athletes first and then work from there !!! SR.

I love Samson but I will say he had some stomach issues at times glimpses of gutish

Jay cutlers awesome dude I love how he likes who he likes an he likes Nick walker an he’s gonna vouch for him that’s just cool as hell dope person

40:27 If we go back and look at the prejudging of 2007 Mr. O they had the guys on a 2-3ft riser on the stage with screens on the riser and a black curtain behind the competitors AND then sponsor screens at the top of the stage. I was IMPOSSIBLE to not see the sponsors(so check the taking care of sponsors box) AND there was the PERFECT back drop for the athletes(so check the taking care of the viewers and athletes) EVERYONE WINS. Now of course we can put a modern day upgrade on this approach but it takes care of all involved!

"That's a cardio" LOL I love Milos' cute little jokes

Definitely one of the more exciting Olympias as of late

Jay is infatuated with Derek's side leg, while at the same time overlooking how soft he is in his upper body haha

What happened to having to “knock out” the champ?

54:25 Agree, Derrek front legs are not Mr Olympia legs.

Congrats to Derek. He earned the victory. I would have voted for Hadi but they were both deserving.

Glad you had Milos on for this one!

The Friday night lighting/music/screen was OBNOXIOUS!!!

Derek had better glutes and killer poses and back views. That was the main edge I saw. Great Olympia this year in all divisions 💪

Hadi and Shaun both got robbed!!! I don’t get it. Very weird year this year in bodybuilding. I’m from the 90’s of bodybuilding and it’s just not the same anymore.

Once again, an awesome episode! I was surprised when they were talking about Cbum that they didn't mention how dominant he won WITH a lat tear 10 weeks out! Crazy!

See this is why guys don't come in peeled, Krizo came in shredded and everyone says he wasn't full enough. If next year he comes in full, everyone will cry how guys today just focus on size and it should be more about being peeled lol. We need to make up our minds ASAP

Look at Ramy when he lost the O and dropped to 5th; how did he handle such a devastating loss? One thing he didn’t do was storm off stage like a poor sportsman. Everyone is a great winner, but a loss shows who you are

We all know the robbery history in MR.O

Miloš King ❤. Much love to you from your Serbia ❤

I’ve watched the rest,now time for the best ❤🇬🇧

This Olympia was meh. Lots of top guys pulled out or retired so bottom of the top 10 was a fake top 10 imo and all the placings were so obvious. Everybody knew they wanted to give Derek a win before the show even started

derek is the Phil heath 2.0 with that 3D back pop

J,n Milos. That's awesome to hear there analysis. Jay goes "WHAT ARE YA TALKING BOUT". IT'S OUR MASS ACCENT.AND ANOTHER ONE HE GOES NO ONE LANDED IT. SEE HOW WELL INTUNE HE IS. HE KNOWS THE PROCESS AS HE TELLS Milos, THANKS J. #CutlerNation #MattyFromMass Confused about this Mr.Olympia. not gonna lie. The new Guys gotta get that mapped out lol.

hadi = fdb / fls / st / mm / abs thigh Derreck = bls / sc / Bls Hadi = 5 Poses vs Derreck = 3 Poses No comparison. Even if you give the side tricep to derreck its a 4:4. The champ had to be knocked out. This did not happen here!!

It's more likely 4 judges had Samson in 3rd with 1 of them having him in 1st

If Hadi was not from iran and a better ambassador to the sport, he would have won hands down

Milo’s jay an Matt are class act guys man love this podcast

With Milos as a coach and Mentor, who needs a lawyer? ";-)

You can't blame the judges. It was a very close battle between Derek and Hadi. I'm glad Derek won. He also won people's champ which should explain a lot as well.

Hadi can’t promote the sandow yearly. Ifbb knows that. They chose who’s more beneficial for sport. Feels odd though because it was close but I think the judges were “persuaded” to go a certain route

best podcast of the whole year

Glad you support Milos! Giving him some quality food!! I did hold Samson or Hadi the winner, and Derek number 3. but Derek is still the winner, and i know the judges saw more and know more then me.

I Am disappointed with IFBB new direction. I think that, they send a bad messege to the bodybuliding world: only bussines, and politics means