You need to do same test on ars 20" to 10" barrels out to 500yrds

@SLR95LHMB Nice, 3 shot group. Now do 9 shot group like in this video :)

Both top2 rifles were milled, just saying.

Vz and galil

that 7.62 and 5.45 looks like vympel with purple lacquer.

There was some squatting. Which helps compensate for that fact.

Very few pelmeni on show. Highly suspicious.

@@willwallacetree He didn't show his freezer? Or do I need to rewatch?

*Vlad-ity

Thus they were not Spetznaz "Athletes"

PS: we can get you stuff to upgrade your Vz58...

@@PolenarTactical ambi safety?

@@PolenarTactical Is there any rail/red-dot mount that replaces the rear sight? I saw one once, but it was quite tall.

Also, can you throw in an AKB-521 into any accuracy evaluation video, it would be freaking great. So little information about the latest update on the platform.

Cant wait to see it ! Love your channel and content too! God bless!

Yeah, I don't know why they didn't install a master mount rail on the side, so it would have had a scope also. It's something that wouldn't have been a permanent change and could have been taken back off. It's not really a good test when you're not comparing apples to apples.

Nice,how much did it cost?

The one time China doesn’t make crap

​@@tullo5564 500 to 600 but I think you can get it even less expensive

800.00 from my bro plus 500 rnds of steel core ammo..NIB🎉

Norinco guns have a surprisingly high standard.

@@sarchlalaith8836 But norinco only, the rest is kind of hit or miss. norinco generally seems to be the star in chinese weapon manufacturing.

Back in days in army i could do 5 shots group with rk-62 about 2 inch/5cm group with iron sights to 150 meters. maybe i got good not beated to death example but that rifle shot damn accurately. One buddy actually betted that he can broke that target standing stick with 10 shots. If not he will run around that range to 3 laps. He needed only 7 shots before that target board fell to ground. But what was mentioned in video ammo could had somehting to do with those groups and barnaul is not known to be extreme accurate. I dont remember surely but i will guess what army used was loaded by lapua.

@@davids3282 Polytech made great rifles too, what I’ve been told polytech was more of the high end Chinese AKs with the legends and such. My polytech has a couple thousand rounds through it and it still looks brand new

@@sarchlalaith8836 I wonder if that's still the case. While in the US the Norincos are all old pre-ban rifles, there's new production ones on offer here in Europe sometimes.

I have 1984 model

Never seen an AK with a polished finish on it. Seen em gold plated tho....

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood he meant AK's from Poland (to be precise in Polish People's Republic)

@@astmatyk5166 woooosh

And east german

Zastava too

I compared my o-pap m70 to a galil ace 7.62x39, don’t worry I have the results... @ 100yards. Galil out shoots it by a milestone.

not sure about the zastava, but if what i hear about the valmet fit and finish is correct, it probably would have been up there with the galil and the vz

@@tonytobias905 Well for it to make more sense the new Z pap m70 should be compared, its an upgrade to the O pap so of course the galil will be significantly better

@@tonytobias905 "by a milestone".... Care to elaborate on that?

Whilst I too would have liked to see them if we are playing AK bingo there are a few missing ……….…….also not on the list are Automatiku Shqiptar 1978 model 56 ,ASH-78 Tip-1,Tipi 1982 model (ASH-82), model 56 Tip-2, model 56 Tip-3 from Albania; FARA 83 from Argentina; Khazri from Azerbaijan; AKK/AKKS, AKKMS, AKMS, AKKN-47, AK-47M1, AKS-47M1and AKS-47S and BD-08 from Bangladesh: Cambodian Type 56s, Ak47s and AKMs. APS-95 from Croatia: Cubian AKMs: MPi-K/MPi-KS, MPi-KM, MPi-KMS-72, MPi-KMS-K, MPi-AK-74N, MPi-AKS-74N, MPi-AKS-74NK, from East Germany; Misr and Maddi from Egypt; Et-97/1 from Ethiopia; AK-55, AKM-63, AMD-65M, AK-63F/D, NGM-81 from Hungary; Trichy, AK-7 and Indo-Russia Rifles, AK-203 from India; KLS/KLF and KLT from Iran; Tabuk Assault Rifles from Iraq; Bernardelli VB-STD/VB-SR from Italy; OBJ-006 from Nigeria; Type 58A/B, Type 68A/B, Type 88 from North Korea; PK-10 from Pakistan; pmK, pmKS, kbkg wz, skbk wz, kbk wz, PM md. 63/65 from Poland. Vektor R4 andTruvelo Raptor from South Afica; MAZ from Sudan; AKM-1, AKM-VN, from Vietnam; AK-103 from Venezuela and lets not forget US132 rifle and US132Z assault rifle from Kalashnikov USA. Sure I’ve missed a ton as well. Every time someone brings up one someone else will bring up another of these, most of which are not and will not be available in the USA thus can’t be done. I’m sure you will agree ten is enough for the conclusion as stated

Also polish and milled Bulgarians.

Or East Germany, i heard those guys make good stuff (especially scopes)

Countries that no longer exist dont get a vote. Unless youre a democrat.

@@Mr.Ut21 man you boomers always have to bring up politics huh, just cant help yourself

@@Mr.Ut21 uhh what? I mean, ak's itself originate from a dead country. Also why bring up a US political party in an ak vid, its literally one of the most non-us guns

You worked the whole continent or an actually country?

@@nomad155He might not want to reveal which country…

@@QualityPen then their water men's is as useful as an anecdote

@@nomad155 Yeah, the whole thing is an anecdote - whether or not he tells you in which country or continent he worked.

​@@nomad155watermen's ?

I don't know if the test was accurate. Did he measure the exact amount of Communist Revolutionary Zeal put into each shot ?

@@scratchy996 To be fair most if not all AR platform rifle accuracy tests don´t take the capitalistic propaganda washed smoothbrain believes into account either so it doesn´t really matter~

and you being german is relevant to this because...?

@@user-kg7zr3yl3n Because germans are said to be perfectionists. Precision, high production standards and being nit picky is basicly in the DNA. So him adding that he is german is meant as a compliment, since he knows how precise testing has to look like.

​@@Fischbroetchen2kThat, and they throw in being German when ever they can !

That or the LPL

It might be Matt from Fudd Busters

I’m not a youtuber... not a social media personality BUT I do shoot a lot of AKs. I’ve collected 7.62 variants almost exclusively for 20yrs. This isn’t gospel just what I’ve experienced. PSA had a bit of magic juju with their FN barrel but the rest of their quality isn’t necessarily the most desirable compared to imports. YMMV and beware the psa mafia that will come screeching for this comment alone. I find most other domestic builds usually have the CHF nitride barrel. Maybe they have quality import parts kits but without original barrels. I currently only own 2 in this category but I’ve tried everything. Atlantic kit builds to Riley defense... both are avg for Ak accuracy. However quality is not. Quality is sadly your avg American reverse engineered “affordable” approach for full house domestic builds. I prefer options that use parts kits (like Atlantic) for their import internals. I avoid full domestic builds like the plague while imports are on the market. I’ve dished out some coin for AKs over the years. I got a meridian defense... glorified romy kit. Nothing special an import can’t be tuned to when it comes to throwing money at it. Looks bitchin but I found other “boutique” builds to be just about the same. I have a Rifle dynamics tuned 107FR. I’d expect the same quality from their full house builds but I believe they use that same CHF nitride barrel. I don’t own one but even for the price tags of those two... it’s really just avg AK performance. Reliable Ak accuracy. I’ve not gotten my hands on the KUSA yet. Maybe never will. I’m not trying hard to be honest Maybe my time and experience with AKs for all these years I just don’t find anything particularly special about them anymore. They all behave the way they’re supposed within the limits of the caliber. Some will last longer than I can ever imagine and I’ve broken more home brews than I care to remember. I want them to do great and I love the fact more people are getting into AKs but their is a learning curve to the caliber... and most my fellow Americans have proven to be learning disabled

@@hailtothe_rooster1572 you got any accuracy numbers for these rifles you've tested?

@@hailtothe_rooster1572 I too, am learning disabled (american). I love my cugir, and slr107fr. I trust the romy better simply because I have more time behind it. The slr107 looks mo betta though.

@@hailtothe_rooster1572 You know what actually bothers me about American made AKs, is that while we do seem to regularly fuck up the stamping, we have endless experience with milling on CNC machines. Milling also negates the economies of scale argument used to explain our failed stamped rifles. Why we aren't pumping out (good) milled AKs by the truckload is a mystery to me. I've worked in manufacturing, so I'm not TOTALLY clueless as to how this works in the same way as like how a lot of people seem to greatly oversimplify the issues based on their total ignorance.

@@KI.765 I think they are shooting for a price point, and the corner of the market that Riley/Century/PSA is going for doesn't strike me as super discerning. Honestly that explains a lot of the dumber decisions like casting trunnions. I think PSA has come a long way from everything I can tell though (74 still needs work though) and the KUSA 103 seems decent by early accounts.

I agree but would like to see the m1 garand thrown in just for the hell of it.

Also the Carcano, Arisaka, Lebel 1886, and MAS 36 would be cool to see,and I'd also throw it Winchester 1895 lever action rifle since it was used by the Russians in WW1 and WW2

We already know the answer for mosins tho

@@ivyssauro123 There are some Mosins out there that can print some decent groups. I have a Tula manufactured Mosin made in 33 and it shoots pretty well. My rifle is in good shape with strong rifling though...there are definitely plenty of them out there that shoot like garbage

@@AnarchAngel1 Yeah in general they're worn off, damaged and the sights are always bad. But the finnish ones for instance tend to be more high quality with better sights and finish(lol). But as a rule of thumb Kar98s will ve better every time.

ikr. Lol

He went soft when the two Not-AKs won. He also denies the VZ-58 is better than the AK-47, too.

@@danielhenderson8316 thats allright, everyone has their god-given right to be horrifically, absolutely and utterly wrong :-)

Who?

@@gojiraforbreakfast the Ak guy

I asked a Romanian friend which AK I should get and he told me „Any but not the Romanian“

@@GunWodan Romanian AKs are generally speaking not that bad. Would much rather have a Wasr than a playdoh trunnion special a lot of US manufacturers were doling out.

@@GunWodan Romanian AKs work. There's nothing wrong with them.

@@GunWodan Romanian AK's are pretty great actually. Century imported WASR rifles are a terrible example of them though.

@@MrOystaCatz My SAR-2 performs similar to the SLR104

I've got the Zpap, it's nothing ground breaking in the accuracy department. Although I've only shot it with Tula, it would be middle of the pack in this test. The trigger sucks, smooth but long take up with no "wall" before it breaks.

I couldn't tell that was Cyrillic on my phone.

or Т. Чан "Товарищ Чан"

​@@richardpashos Or that. Couldn't really tell if it's a Т or a Г. But that was my theory. I wonder if Henry can jump in to elaborate or he already did sometime ago in previous videos because I saw that markings in earlier episode ofc. Somebody must have asked.

@@StrangerOman Must be a T. If it really was 'Henry' phonetically written in cyrillic, the first letter would be X.

​@@DinnerForkTongue Not really. Henry in Russian translates into Генри. For a quick example, take name Henry that is used as SI derived unit of electrical inductance. In Russian this measurement called Гн (Генри) and in English H (Henry). Tho if I were to have a chat with someone named Henry I would use the English pronouncement that would roughly translate into Хенри and not force Russian adaptation of this name. ;)

Oh hey there!

Not even a rotating bolt gun, which also busted some myths...

Czech have a long experience in gun manufacturing. They are so proud of that they have maintain their home production during the USSR era beside pressures. Lot of awesome engineers there. Vz52, Cz-75, Skorpion, Skorpion Evo, ...

Is it saying something that both galil and vz are milled not stamped?

@@snipecox2153 In fact thats not the problem. For exemple, the SIG-550 has a rotating bolt and this rifle is capable of tighter groups

@@azypk how's that got to do with the receiver being stamped or milled?

SHORT STROKE ALWAYS BETTER

First in 100% grouping. And second in 80% by only 1.5 mm.

He is a sniper. Not regularly soldier.

you alive!

Holy shit, blast from the past, I remember watching you as a teen and being sad when you decided to move on from airsoft! Hope you been good man and thanks again for all those years of airsoft reviews! I still remember that old tiger towel background haha

I have a Npap that will compete easily with that, with 123 grain wolf.

my thoughts as well. I wanted to see some Zastavas. Valmets would have been welcome also.

I know right? No love for the Yugo??? Common man!

If I were to guess, the Zpap or Npap would definitely be near the top of the ranking for accuracy.

From a design standpoint, nor much difference to the Chinese. Mix of Type 3 and AKM. Yugo's are my favorite for sure and would easily be right in there.

Agreed

They don't have it here but Finland would have won.

@@android61242 the rk62 front sight post is pretty thick, kinda hard to shoot at longer distances. Though you can switch out the front post assembly with a galil arm one and get a bit of a nicer sight picture with an adjustable post to boot.

Both vz and galil were onlyilled rifles lol

vz. 58 is not AK

I must have seen you at the Prague palace in a smart blue uniform then :)

Damn, that's so true. I still can't forget about that one Škoda Fabia, which disabled "all" our APCs 😂 *_(true story btw)_*

😂

@@BloPsy__ haha what? I have to hear abput this skoda

@@sarchlalaith8836 Yeah I am not kidding - a female driver panicked and slammed the brakes. There were 5 Pandur APCs behind her and they all crashed into each other. 4 of the Pandurs were out for repairs for like 2-3 years? :)) I wish it was a joke, but sometimes you just can't make things like this up 😂

Nah, the Izmash already beat once the vz.58

Well the vz is just straight up not an ak and as for the galil, I don't see why they're "unloved", everyone likes them. Just not worth the price to performance IMHO esp with crazy people buying them for $4k on gunjoker.

Ost saying something that both are milled ?

@@rodiculous9464 Im way more annoyed than I should be at the vz 58 being included with aks with no notice whatsoever that the vz had literally nothing in common with the AK's operating mechanism and other than ammo and similar looking furniture has nothing in common

@@rodiculous9464 Ok, there's a split among the AK community which is politically biased. I'm myself not a fan of Galil, Valmet or other AK platforms from "western" countries.

Check GB , 40 cents a round just got some! Its good ammo too!

Thank you very much for that ammunition tip 😉

Had mine 12 years over 5k thru it 0 issues. I love it. Shoots around 3 moa.

If your WASR 10 was made in romania it was more then likely put together correctly.

Me too

@@kdcustoms1272 lmfao same. Bought mine for less than 500 at the time. It's canted as all hell but still works fine. The only thing that's ever broken or malfunctioned on it was the gen 1 kns piston I put in it. Many matches under it's belt

@@Chiefshadow4 it is factory built with the standard mag well, not the 10 round mag well that century used to cut to fit double stack mags. Cugir never really cared for QC on the 10 round single stack guns. And most were built from rejected parts or parts kits.

There is a rumor that a really big amount of 103s was created in Russia for Venezuela's army. And that's why 103s had much better quality check than other AK-s produced at the same time in Russia. But the contract was finally rejected. And that rifles were converted (in many ways including only blank-firing modification) to sale them on the civilian market.

not to mention the cold reality that most shooters are 10 MOA shooters when shooting without a bench / bags / bipod.

Combat accuracy depends so much on the shooter and conditions so you can't fairly use it to compare rifles, it's used mostly by gun writers as a crutch to justify guns that don't shoot as accurate as others. If you want to know which gun has the best accuracy you have to take out the human element as much as possible to have valid results. Not to mention ammunition, but it's fair to use the most common issued ammunition when comparing military weapons otherwise you get cherry picked results.

@@CCW1911 You're kind of missing the point entirely with that stupid rant. Combat accurate means it can hit a torso on first shot at 400 yards or so, which is often the longest viable engagement range with many of this intermediate cartridge (if you really intend to take your target out after shooting, which you should since you're likely giving away your position and starting confrontation). Yes, mechanical accuracy is important, but the remark wasn't about mechanical accuracy, but about a very real and relevant parameter to determine that a rifle is viable for combat; More accuracy can be good, sure, but not always that important, which is what the second half of the video was about.

@@lucastonoli3256 exactly. 4 MOA has long been the standard for combat accuracy, for good reason. Once upon a time a 1MOA rifle was special. Nowadays people have unwittingly fallen into the trap of thinking that 1 MOA is where accuracy begins and it’s simply not true. The average shooter cannot put 10 out of 10 rounds into a pie plate at 100 yards from standing, on a calm day on a quiet flat range. Any rifle with any ammo can do that. Add combat to the mix and even that level of accuracy goes out the window.

@@lucastonoli3256 more accuracy can actually reduce hit probability as it doesn't matter of you are shooting 0.1 MOA groupa if your sights are of target. Lower accuracy compensate the aimi g errors by spreading the shots around

RK is an Ak which is about as accurate as these. Not like Russia and other countries couldn't build really accurate aks but there were no point. As stated in the video; all these rifles are perfectly accurate in 500m range which is the requirement for most militaries for these. Getting them to be more accurate would be take money and resources noone want to pay

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Can´t say for galil but Vz.58 isn´t even AK pattern rifle with its short stroke recoil, two recoil springs, different magazines and fall down locking block. It´s much more similiar to G43 than AK.

Galil is ak lol

@@jakubschneer5189 The Galil is an AK. The Israelis made the Galil with the thought that they can just "re-acquire" mags and ammo from the Arabs they defeated

For engagement of a full, man size target, at known range, in an open field, standing still, in broad daylight, when fired from a rest/bench, by an amazing marksman, with an audible spotter walking the first few rounds in, yes indeed! But... We must also assume that the target really does not want to be shot, and will take steps to quickly get behind cover. And then there's that whole shooting back at us thing. Sorry... Former Infantry here. Rested bench shooting has almost nothing 8n common with fluid battle. It is great for sighting in, and comparing one unit against another. I think he did a great job and he is a gifted marksman.

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@@bobsmoot2392 my takeaway from what you've said is that an AK in competent hands is just as good as an AR-style rifle (M-16 or M-4), and both are useless in incompetent, untrained hands.

@@artemis_smith Dirty little secret:. The AK-47 didn't survive it's first major conflict (Vietnam). The Soviets dropped is and went to the AK-74 in 1974. But that was more about cartridge than rifle design. The 5.56 & 5.45X39 are vastly superior to the 7.62X39 in virtually every way. More accurate (much), twice the effective range (300 vs 500), lighter by far, superior terminal ballistics, and... less recoil for better control and quicker follow up shots. Vietnam ended in 1975. Soviets basically dumped the 47s on anybody who claimed to hate Americans. They are still using the 5.45X39 today. Why? It's way better.

Well century didn't make it...

@@zip1233 yeah, I went to correct it and yt ate my edit

@@Ihasanart how do you figure? The video showed it performing strongly in the middle of the pack.

@@zubdub2506 Poor overall build quality and missing parts.

@@ReverendMeat51 mag well smoothed out, newer triggers are quite good, and shepherd's hook should be replaced anyway (though mine was fine). I just need the sights to be straight

Yes - because Lapua ball is far superior to Barnaul ammo.

I would have voted for the Galil ACE except my beloved slr104fr did so much worse than I expected that I was spooked.

Remember vz don't have scope

The VZ 58 is NOT an AK. It uses a tilting bolt like the FN FAL not a rotating bolt like the Garand and AK. You should have gone for the Mini-14.

@@elingeniero9117 I,m sorry but who are you telling this to? Everybody here already knows that :) plus it was said in the video :)

@@elingeniero9117 it doesn't use a tilting bolt at all lol it's a locking block system

the Czechs always come correct.

​@@sabiti5428 CZ 52 handgun would like a word with you...

@@7hart2good gun

I was hoping for that too.

And polish

And Serbian And North Korean And Romanian And Iraqi And all the other AKs, but they picked what they picked and that's good enough))

No. Not fair. Finn no play nice with Russian.

AK-12 is more accurate than the ACE since it pulls 1.96MOA (50cm). You can see the latest kalashnikov concern video in which they show a fire test.

we just don't 'have one on hand but hope to borrow one at some point

Those Valmets are getting pretty rare/pricey over here! I would expect it to perform much like the Galil unless you cheat and use a 556.

The galil is basically a newer valmet

I have issue with using any vz. 58 - it is not an AK at all.

@@randomnobodovsky3692 Have you ever fired one? It's like taking a stolen Ferrari through a mountain pass with a cartel kingpin's girlfriend in the passenger's seat. You'll love every second of it...as long as you don't get caught. I wish my AK's were as smooth handling.

@@anthonycochran6492 Yes, I did. They were dirt cheap (a third of the AK price) where I live - for some time a least.