If the enclosure is not too big you can put the netting up as a roof as well.

That was my first question - predators. I live in a wild place thank you for the answer. Now, what about keeping small animals out. It looks like it will keep the full grown quail and bunnies out, but I'm concerned about the babies getting in.

Thank you! My boys are almost 20# each. But not much "street smarts". They tend to panic and do something not smart. Yes. A barred owl in my trees and a bald eagles nest to my right and their perching tree to my left. They're back and forth all day. It looks like a fabulous enclosure for the right situation. I'm glad I got to see it!

This was exactly my thought. Once I was outside in my yard with my teenager and our cat, who was about 10lbs at the time. A hawk was coming down literally feet above us to grab my cat. I was surprised it was comfortable getting so close to humans. I waved my arms at it and screamed and it went away. I'm in Texas and our birds of prey are very large. But in other parts of the states, this enclosure looks good.

Icelandic sheepdog s protect against birds, while great Pyrenees are good with cats and are great protectors. I have the cats already and saving up for a nice pyr! Where I live, an occasional dog wants to get after a outside cat. I have great trees and bushes all around my house!

Never heard of that, but sounds like a great way to train your cats! Thanks for sharing the idea, Leo!

My grandmother did this too well over 50 years ago That's an Old Wives Tale that is true!

It also helps to protect the paws in winter, also good for dogs (although maybe vaseline is better for them). Edit: white vaseline, not the yellow stuff

That’s sweet but cats don’t get lost…. Also if they have a way inside ….window Always left open or preferably a dog door they are so much safer from becoming prey. Will come home sooner. When vet assist we always said show me a cat hit by a car and I will show you an owner that chases a cat like it’s a dog vs leave door open and go away not yelling name and shaking treats … peep find their cat cause they were driving around looking.. they are to sad to tell them they wouldnt have run if you did not chase …. They are not dogs … they are very strategic and establish territory starting at house … this takes time.. lots … cats that want out and are prevented will act as being hunted and cross street … it’s worth it to them but peep just add more prevention. It’s heart breaking

There are thousands, literally thousands of lost cat posts in my area and there are 49 other states besides the one that I live in. Cats do get lost! 🐈🐈‍⬛

You are so kind, Tango! I appreciate the comment.

By looking at that yard, I can see how much you love your cats! Looks wonderful, my cats would think they lived in paradise!

I know of people who have used Marmite. Generally the rule is to keep your cat inside your new house for 3-5 days, let it roam around freely. It will look out of every window at every angle and have a pretty good 3D map in its head (they really, truly do) of everything that it can see. So when it is let out, it has far less to deal with visually as it only has to fill in the blanks, and then the Smells and Sounds. . If a Cat was simply transported to a new house and let loose, it would have a literal massive headache, and be absolutely stressed as to "what is home and safe, and what is not", which is why so many cats "disapear" when people move home, they have no idea where "home is" and feel abandoned by their "Owners". . IMHO, anyone looking to take on a Pet of any kind should be required to take a course that covers basic things like the animal communication, habits, basic do's and dont's and so on. . On a separate note, all Dogs (and Cats Larger than standard "House Cats") need to be registered. There are excellent examples of this working well all over the World, and we do not want to see literal groups (packs) of Dogs escaping from someone's yard and randomly attacking people (typically small children). The registration in the UK (in the 60's I think) made a massive positive difference, there are other examples.

And us! The best video on this topic.

Yes.... living creatures, desperate to experience freedom, forced to live in a confined and unnatural area where their food is rationed discarded product equating to less than mcdonalds rather than chosen, live, or natural. "our cats constantly try to escape but we lurrrveee themmmm" ....they can't verbally argue for themselves so no choices, no rights. *shrug*

YES

Thanks for the comment, Reflex! They have not gotten out in three years, so I think it is pretty good. Maybe birds of prey could get in, so unsupervised kittens should not go out is there are hawks in the area.

i think critters end up smelling the cats scent and the lack of tall grass isn't inviting to any critter

Still a danger of the cats predating on the native animals. All the danger is not to our cats.

So great!

Yes I do agree! My cats are incredibly happy with mine as well. Indeed money well-spent!

It's great to hear someone really loves this. I'm thinking about this but I have a small yard and it's kind of ugly. I dont know how my neighbors would feel about it since we have basically a shared back yard with no boundaries.

@@HipsterSpinster_ so, interestingly enough, the black mesh kind of “disappears into the landscape”. Yes, you do see the posts, but my neighbors have never had any objections to the fence.

@@HipsterSpinster_ When it is up it mostly is hard to see because of the looseness of it. It fades away and never is an eyesore

Wonderful!

Could try metal zip ties. Think they make stainless steel ones

@@666Corpselord hmmm…didn’t know there were metal ties…thank you!

If you can't find metal zip ties,a roll of plain bailing wire will do the trick for super cheap.

@@Debbie4729 thank you! 😺

LOL!

He knows when he has a good thing going! LOL

Sounds to me that you are his peaceful sanctuary ❤

My baby girl is like that. She comes out in the yard with me but if I go where she can't see me soon as she sees me she runs to me meowing with relief on her face.

I have been the chosen human of a couple of cats.

If he was a stray, they are usually very outdoor savvy cats. I wouldn't worry about him going out during the day. Just make sure hes in before the sun goes down because that's when the coyotes come out. I'm talking like before 8 pm. I lost a cat to a coyote in our backyard around 8 pm. It was tough because we went to walmart and forgot she was sunning herself on the deck. We found bits of her fur in the backyard. It was so frustrating. I'm still mad at myself for forgetting. She was 17 and lived a long life but tbh she would probably still be alive if we didnt make that fatal mistake.

So glad you like the setup, Mysticmuse! I have received a lot of positive comments.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benny F

@@MattOGormanSmith what are these guys missing out on?? Nothing. They have it all.

Thanks for caring for your mom’s pets.

Great suggestion for those with DIY skills!

Thanks, Tamaruni! I appreciate you taking the time to comment!

Sounds like a great option for some people. Thanks for the suggestion, Peziki!

Please make a video and show it!

Thanks for the comment, Shannon! Those are definitely concerns if you have those animals in the region. Average hawks won't go after cats, but kittens are in danger. Eagles and very large hawks can be a problem for all of them. I would not use one of these if there were coyotes around. I would stick to a catio.

Yes, I live in an area like that. Bobcats, coyotes and other predators have been in my yard. We built a covered enclosure using heavy reinforced double layer cattle panels. I taught my latest cat to walk on a harness and leash. He loves it.

That would be necessary in my area - We have large owls, hawks, eagles and coyotes that take out prey larger than a housecat.

You can do it, Mette! Thanks for your comment!

Yes, you can always tell when a cat is stalking or playing with prey. Thanks for the comment!

Yes, you have to know your cat and its capabilities! Some cats are super smart and ingenious escape artists.

My cats are cunning and can escape Alcatraz. We have a fence just like the one advertised and my cats would climb over it as if it wasn't there. I no longer let my cats out because we have coyotes, foxes, and other predators that have killed neighbor cats not to mention people who steal them.

If you have the overhang they cannot get over that. I have M.Coon climbers but they cannot beat it.

I'm so glad you liked it!

Pretty sure that concrete anchors would solve your rocky ground problem.

That sucks free roaming dogs

Free roaming cats sucks too.

@@cathyosbourne6986 yes, but they do not kill anyone and do not poop in the middle of the road. I hate free roaming dogs

Thanks for your comment, Anna-Karin! Great ideas! I hope that Purrfect Fence is checking these comments.

Thanks so much for the comment, Auntb! I appreciate it!

Same here. Even on her leash Jazz needs supervision to keep the hawks away. 😏

Yes, birds of prey are a danger to small cats and kittens. Large cats, not so much, unless you have eagles around. Land predators can get it. But cats are pretty smart and I suspect that they will detect a prowling predator and run inside or make an escape as the predator is climbing the mesh. If your neighborhood is full of dangerous predators, a fully enclosed catio might be a better option. Thanks for your comment!

Same. I have a large great horned owl that wants to eat my *small dog.* if she has to spend time outside unsupervised or without her much larger dog brothers, I make her wear a harness I fashioned out of leather with metal spikes, like a wolfhound collar. No bird of prey is getting a decent hold on her without grabbing a spike through the foot first.

like Alaska........my kitty is a climber, don't think this will help

My cousin [chuckling] had to do that to protect her chickens.

I know!

Wow! That's not good! Thanks for sharing!

It sounds like a great solution for you. Thanks for sharing, KCW!

Ugh , I feel so bad for cats being declawed. What a terrible thing to do but I’m so happy to hear your cat is now in good hands and hopefully is in no or very little pain if at all.

Why did u declaw your cat? U should not have animals

@@bambinaforever1402 bro if you’ve ever eaten McDonald’s stfu. Fact unless you’re a vegan stfu

@@SleeplessinOC you guys are such babies. Eat McDonald’s everyday but complain endlessly that a cat got a surgery.

Good points about wild animals. If you live in a rural area with hunting animals, this system is probably not strong enough. But it might give the cats enough time to run inside. And kittens can always be taken by hawks.

@@9LivesToLive I live in Phoenix, and we have ALL the wild animals. In fact, there was a mountain lion in our neighborhood that my son ran into while walking one of our dogs, the other night (SCARY, but nothing happened, THANKFULLY). My cats go outside after 7am, until 4 pm, and 5 of my 6 stay in the backyard, but my latest rescue won't get with the program, even after a year, grrrr. She stays in the backyard MOST of the time, but does go in the front, and will go down the street, also. We have a block wall fence, but she jumps over it, easily. My other cats can jump over as well, but they don't, and stick very close to home (YAY). They also come in on their own, sometimes even before 4pm. Again, DaisyMay, the rebel, is on her own time, and sometimes shows up at 11pm, FREAKING ME OUT. My answer is 6 catios that I'm building, connected by 8 foot high cat runs. Thus far, I have 3 catios completed, with ramps, high shelves, trees, scratching posts, and other cool stuff to catify the spaces. The tunnels/runs aren't complete yet. Because of this, my cats come in at 4, but now have access to their catios all night long. My other 5 cats are THRILLED with the catios, and being able to be in them at night. DaisyMay is like, MEH, haha. She goes in them, but tries to figure out how to get out to her freedom. That's why I thought this type of fencing may work, but alas, it won't keep the wildlife out. Plus, I have a 1/2 acre, so this would be cost prohibitive. AND we have giant owls all over our neighborhood that come out at dusk. Your ideas are great, and I appreciate your content, as a fellow cat lover (all animals own my soul). So, thank you. Bless you, and your adorable cats 🐈 ❤️

HOAs should be illegal and actually, I don't see how they aren't. I guess it depends if the courts would backup the homeowner or the HOA. Under the law I still don't see how HOAs are legal in any way, even if corrupt local courts grant them undeserved preference.

@@WindowsXP_logon_sound_25yrsago EXACTLY. HOA's are criminal. They are a micro of the macro...

@@energeticsoulhealer888 ya I really don't see how HOAs are legal, Many of their methods are unethical, I really think somebody needs to challenge them all the way up to the Supreme Court. Now this scotus would probably vote for the HOA but they really need to be legally challenged on a fundamental basis. Perhaps we can get various states' Supreme Courts strike them down. It's true that some people willingly agreed to it when they moved in, but they probably don't know what they were getting into. Nobody should have to meet anybody else's standards if they owned their own property. That's what property rights ARE. HOAs completely violate that and they presume powers of a government authority by demanding monthly membership and steep ones at that. I find both of these realities perplexing and stunning. HOAs have no right to be coercive regarding anyone's legally-owned private property or to demand money. If someone's demanding I pay them, and it's not for a legitimate debt, and they're not government, I call that extortion. I just failed to see how HOAs get away with being financially coercive and coercive regarding other's private property. They aren't the government. Ergo, I fail to see how they have any legal authority. A court may back them up because courts have done many dirty things, but that doesn't mean that a legitimate court would uphold such a ruling.

Thanks so much for your comment, Freedom! Yes! Peace of mind. Could not have said it better!

​@@9LivesToLiveAnd this product will make for happier neighbors as well. It's a fantastic idea !

So sorry to hear about your cat. It's so hard to find the right balance between safety and quality of life.

Thanks so much for your comment! Some cats can go outside relatively safely depending on the area where you live. Cars, predators, dogs, etc. are all important considerations. It's so difficult balancing their need to wander with their safety.

@@9LivesToLive agree. I live in one of these remote, safer than safe places. And it happened. 😔 I never would have thought. He was outside with me. Walked up to me crying, with a large laceration to his left side. Clean cut. Still no idea what happened. He passed at the vet on the table. Kitty heart attack. That cat was MY WORLD. My soul mate kitty. I'll never forgive myself.😕 CATIO. When I'm ready for another cat.🙏🔥 If I'd only had one.....

It sounds like a great solution, Sky! I'm curious, is the bird netting strong enough?

@@9LivesToLive Hi, yes, it is from our local nursery and is UV quality. It only comes in white. My cat has a large portion of garden which has a tree and shrubs, plus a modern , large kennel with comfortable mats if it rains (is autumn going on winter here now), as well as a small home made walk in house to lay in the sun while having an arched roof. She has fake grass and natural ground with grasses that grow in this region which is her favourite to eat, I am home all the time so let her in and out all day as she chooses, and that’s because of spiders and flies we have the screen door to the house closed. She is on my bed at night. The UV bird net is very lightweight, but strong. In 4 years it has not deteriorated, it is absolutely perfect. No stray cat can get in and my can cannot get out because, as you know, netting cannot be climbed, Also, I have a 3 foot square dedicated toilet area which has earth soil I buy from the nursery in large bags and is the cheapest, plainest earth which gives her natural soil to go in which I dig out and replace, plus there is other natural ground she can also use. It’s a wonderful set up and that garden is my own quiet place to spend time with her. Under the 15 foot long verandah of the house she has a couple comfy chairs to sleep on , too. She has lots of options 😃

Wow this setup sounds amazing!

@@Cc07 It is the best cat proof garden ever. Cheap too. The bird netting can be quite taught, does not need to sit slack, for no cat can climb it since it is unstable with regards to absolutely no purchase and my cat never even tried anyway. She could see beyond into the greater garden and watch birds on the other side in their birdbath below a big tree. Easy to erect and get the us netting for long lasting ability. My girl passed away a couple months ago, sadly. But the whole point was she was safe at all costs and no other cat could get in either.

Lmao most of these comments sound so fake. This fence is outrageously expensive and everyone is saying thank you 😂😂

You are so welcome!

This is an important concern. Eagles are big and tough. You might be better to consider a catio.

It's cruel to keep cats inside full time. If that means that a wild bird's life is cut short, so be it. At least they both got to live free.

It's a compromise, not perfect but reasonable. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!

Yes, any outdoor space, even tiny is good.

Thanks for your comment, Shawna! I can appreciate the problem with the predators in your area, especially if your cats are smaller.

Those are great concerns! I have seen coyotes occasionally at dusk, and I have heard owls, but not sure what type they were. I know that owls can carry off cats (I recently learned about this, and I'm sure most people are unaware of this!) My concern was eagles, because we had a couple pairs in our area, and the people who kept tabs on their welfare had found cat collars in their nests!

I had the same concerns. Since my outdoor space is smaller (about 40' x 25') I added 16 guage wire panels across the top. I also bring the cats in at night to avoid their bringing a surprise "gift" (lizard, snake) to my bed in the middle of the night. They have access to the screened porch overnight. I helped a friend with her small space and we added deer netting across the top. That keeps small animals and owls/hawks out and her kitties in. It has held up for over 5 years now. If your spot is small, perhaps that could work for you.

@@1211foster cats can sleep inside u know, that is enough they can enjoy outside during day time

@@1211fosterthis is all great info!! Thank you!🙏

Thank you so much, Diane! I appreciate your comment, and watching it twice!

It is neat, but if you have owls and hawks they may get your cat.

@@aurorab6796 Hi Aurora B. good point. So I would also put wire above the enclosure as well . That's what I intend to do with chickens when I have some. 💚

@@franpie2264 Yes and I have an 8" X 8" catio with wire topped, but if it's big like the one in video it would be hard to cover without lots of supports. I watched a hawk come down, but he realized my cats were enclosed. I would love to have something like that for them, but don't think I could cover it all. I also worry about dogs, too many people around here let their dogs loose.

Ok but you NEED the fence bc they are an invasive and very destructive species. People like to just forget that.

Smaller cats and kittens can be in danger if you have large hawks in the area. The Red Tails, for example, weight 3 lbs or less, I don't think they want to tangle with a full sized cat of 10 to 15 pounds unless they are really hungry. But maybe I'm wrong.

@@9LivesToLive yep! My H wouldn't let the stray inside when she first came to us. We fixed her a place on the covered porch. She was only a couple months old accord to the vet. We have the big almost three foot high hawks here. I would sit on the deck with her on my shoulder and hiss when I saw a hawk fly over. She lived outside for a year but was super vigilant about whatever was above her. Now she's mostly inside, but still has her instincts and reflexes from her outside time. She won't even get up on my counters or furniture-- I assume because it's a higher more exposed area...happy me😊🥰

Thank you for the kind comment, Suzanne!

You're welcome, Judy.

Thanks so much, MK!

Too bad, but you are right. Some areas are not safe for domestic cats.

U can walk with your cat on a leash or u can be with your cat outside supervising. Boring i know, but letting your cats roam free in the neighbourhood, safe or not safe, is no bueno. There are mean people, mean dogs and cars. Driven by mean people.

@@bambinaforever1402 I'm not going to get another cat until I live in a safe area again, and I'm not going to prevent my future cat from going outside. I've had many cats throughout my life and none of those things have ever been a problem. Appreciate your concern though.

You’re welcome Thanks for watching, Marilyn!

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!

Yes they are! Thanks for your comment, B D!

Yes, it all depends on the neighborhood and wild animals in the area.

TY!

I live in Vancouver. The outdoors are home to bears, coyotes and cougars… but most dangerously dogs and cars 😅

You're welcome, Jill.

It's so great that your cats stay in their yard! Thanks for the comment!

Healthy boundaries!

You're welcome, Kathlene!

You are welcome, Lorelyn!

I tried hArness and leash because it would slow them down ( cats), but they get out of a harness in a second. Especially one - he goes somewhere where leash gets stuck, then turns backward and just wiggles out. I saw him - 1 second and he is out. So when walking with him on a leash i must keep him forward all the time. Can not find anywhere a west. So beware, sooner or later your cat learns. It is better to keep an eye on him

@@bambinaforever1402 not on a harness they have a collar on and leash on that they only get in my garden and I sit out there with them Love watching them play Too many dogs of leash so couldn’t walk them really

Thanks for your comment, Cyn! Unfortunately, a corral is not possible for everyone, but a catio is a great idea!

Thanks, Schoomzer!

Thanks for your comment, Dianne! Glad you enjoyed it!

You are welcome, SI! I'm glad you found it helpful!

You are welcome, John! Thanks for commenting!

outdoor cats are a serious threat to native song birds.

@@janetannerevans2320 I really don't want to argue. However, I cannot not say this... Birds can fly.

@@johnafagerquist8235Bird eggs cannot fly.

@@janetannerevans2320 ​​⁠ your homes were a serious threat to the traditional predators of the birds… many of which have become endangered due to communities being built. The nests being built lower and exposed is due to people feeding the birds with feeders set at levels to please people vs safety of birds… removing predators completely creates other problems…

Thank you, FreedomBee! You are making me blush!

Thanks a ton, Munira!

Thanks for the comment, n! When you moved the fence, did you have problems getting the metal sheaths out of the ground?

@@9LivesToLive No I did not. It moved easily with me to Florida.

I have one of these too. Did you take the netting with you too?

Thanks for the suggestions!

You're so welcome!

How about a catio?

If you have a strong welded metal fence with decent reinforcement & it's fully enclosed, you should be fine!

Thanks so much for your comment, Geraldine! I appreciate it!

Thanks for the suggestion, Serendipity!

Diatomaceous earth may be hazardous to any animal’s lungs. Note also that there are two kinds of DE - food grade usage and non-food-grade; important if you use this in your garden.

@@pkeyrich Yes, thank you for mentioning! Very important to keep animals away while applying it and wear a mask, but after it's settled and not airborne it's all good!

I know, it's just not possible for many people for different reasons. Thanks for the comment!

You're welcome!

Thanks so much for the kind comment, Sooz!

@@9LivesToLive you're welcome.

I know! I hate when they do that!

So go out with him. Being even a short time outside is better than no outside. Mine jump on fence, so if i say no, go down immediately they go down. If i do not see then they go on the other side. So keep an eye and everything will be all right

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching, Christopher!

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks, Abraham! Much appreciated!

Sounds like you have a good system. Thanks for the comment, gmm3080!

They do love it! Thanks for your comment!

So true! Thanks for the comment, Prince

Great! Thanks for the comment!

Thank you, MsLouisV!