Hey HH! i picked up this hp elitedesk g3 with a i5 7500t, and its an excellent nas for only 40 bucks. i think its an awesome video you could try due to size, noise, total power draw and easily upgradable, also it would attract lots of viewers. stay awesome bro

tbh you didn't need the caddy... just tape the drive in place lol

Love to hear it!

That’s awesome! Definitely check out some of the other great channels in the space like Jeff Geerling, Craft Computing, Techno Tim, etc..

Let me ask: while SMR isn’t to be used w/ZFS, I’m under the impression they’re not frowned upon for Synology NAS systems using BTRFS nor on UNRAID which also uses BTRFS in a 1 or 2 parity disk setup. NAScompare has several videos showing AX (SMR) vs RX (CMR) WD red drives.

Hahaha thanks for the high quality B-Roll 😂

You might want to take a look at icy dock. I have an 8 x 2.5" hot swappable drive array (fits 5 or 7mm laptop drives) that fits into 1 x 5 1/4" drive bay, and I have a 5 x 3.5" hot swappable drive array that fits into 2 x 5 1/4" drive bays. These are trays, but icy dock might have trayless, I have not looked for trayless.

Yep. That’s basically my reasoning as well.

Haha for sure. Local deals can be even better depending on where you are

That’s awesome! And your English is way better than my second language (which is non-existent haha)

@@HardwareHaven Thank you! 😂

Definitely something I'll look into; sounds interesting!

That’s awesome!

Oh awesome!

Oh nice! Glad it worked well for ya

Were you using usb to boot?

@@haveaniceday7950 yes i think i was

Haha thanks

Would you recommend them? How long have they lasted?

Nice!

How long have they lasted?

@@haveaniceday7950 Going on 3 years now without any issues. They're just a bit on the loud side

@@Kim-fm2vo wow, that’s good. They were used when you bought them?

@@haveaniceday7950 I wrote a comment but it didn't seem to go through. These are refurbished drives, I got them for $45 per 4 TB from Amazon. They seemed to have some hours on them but I'm not sure how many (SMART info was seemingly wiped as part of the refurb process). I do highly recommend them as cheap storage though, so long as you don't mind the noise!

I use and enjoy it. It's just not necessarily in every video

Not an expert, but I believe they’re fine. They might not do a great job of catching/correcting errors or handling fast IO operations

True! And probably still fast enough for most people, especially in raid or zfs

Yeah that’s a good thing to consider. I forgot to measure consumption on this, but I can’t imagine it being anywhere close to 250w. Probably more like 40-50

I don’t know a TON about smart to be fair. I do know that backblaze published some stuff about higher temps really having little impact on drives, but that fluctuating temps had more of an impact. The vibrations in the caddies does seem to be a bit of an issue though. They’re in my asustor now and not nearly as noisy.

@@HardwareHaven All of my drives that died had these two issues: 1. Bad cooling. Half of them that hit above 45-46° were an external models (sold in a plastic box with USB and no cooling) - their controllers have bright and short life 2. Vibrations - other died from physical damage on plates or heads, small number with dead motors

Yeah a google study also showed that faliure rate doesn't go up unless the drives go above 45c

Understandable! Hope it all goes well for ya, and thanks for the comment! (and patronage haha)

My guess is wifi. I would hook up a temporary wired connection and see if it’s any better!

@@HardwareHaven thank you for the reply, I tried a ethernet connection but the speed is the same.

@@manoskammas5881 hmmm maybe double check that the NIC on your server is a 1Gb nic and not 100Mb. Same with the computer you connected it to. If you were using your router to connect them, make sure the ports on that support 1Gb. Many wireless routers only support 100Mb on the wired connections.

@@HardwareHaven thanks for the help, I bought from amazon 2 CAT8 Ethernet Cables, one for the client and one for the server, I finally managed to reach 100MB/s. Do you manage to have the same speed over wifi? if yes, do you have any setup for router/switch to recommend? I am still using the default BT/EE router.

I would have to pay for a dock/adapter and sata cable anyway, but yeah, that could've still been an option.

Glad you think so, thanks!

Those are great!

@@HardwareHaven I think its overkill, but will give me a chace to dip my feet in before investing in a newer gen nas/server. Got my eye on a 9th gen dell i seen under $80.

@@alekzandru221 Oh nice! Best of luck

Oh true.. didn’t realize that until I looked it up

Something like that lol

Thanks Clyde!

Wow, that's awesome!

@@HardwareHaven here in Ireland cex sells 1tb drives for 10 euro, they are a bit of a gamble but returning them is easy

It seems nice for simple things. I still Probably prefer TrueNAS for storage thiugh

Lack of drive bays, but I could’ve probably solved that to be fair

I forgot.. :(

Lack of drive bays becomes the issue there, but definitely possible!

I discovered that many of the issues are discussed in another video from this channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hs-jfLOhx7PPhJc.htmlsi=mWAlPbY17Awej646

Haha I think it was because I recorded all of the talking head stuff late at night, realized I recorded the wrong format, and had to start all over 😂

I’d have to buy something to be able to mount it though

Nice! And yeah that’s a bummer

Thanks Jonathan!

Just want to point out that these drives also have warranties, and if a SAS drive shows up, you would simply return it. Buying new can still result in the wrong thing shipped or a DOA, so not really a fair point.

@@HardwareHaven This is true. But Companies usually clearly label things. Users posting used drives...results vary on who lists accurate details. Its not the end of the world returning something. But that depends on the person too. My mom will wait. If I gotta return...I just buy a new one somewhere else. Its faster. Buying new can still result in the wrong thing shipped or a DOA, so not really a fair point is also true. But I was not making a point but rather telling my experience with my used drives over the years and what I have learned. I personally have not had a new hard drive arrive DOA. And now that I think about it....I have never had a used drive arrive DOA. But my new things last longer than my used things. I assume its because the new things have no use on them at all till I use them. But also I take care of things and others may or may not with varying levels so when you buy used you don't get the Quality control and standard like brand new by default. It took a long time before I figured out that mounting and vibration dampening and temperature control and all these things matter when your HDD is densely packed with platters. I had to learn that. Cause that was not an issue for me with smaller HDDs. But I been on a machine since Win 95 and 100MB HDD was a lot for home use. Been through quite a few drives since then and had to somehow keep my files from back then too. Ever have to CD your They didn't really have home NAS's back then. CDWR was my friend. But once the SATA drive came out....they lasted me forever brand new or used....till they added more platters. HDDs with less platters I could literally move around while its working. I have had some janky setups. Moving around a high capacity HHD while its working...not saying you can't. But I don't recommend this as I found out the hard way that they do not like this. I still to this day move active low capacity drives. I legit hot plug them into the mobo. But high capacity...if its active I treat it like its radioactive. So I was not hating on your video or nothing if you took it as me being one of them dudes that comments to tell people how it is. I literally said "I can see the logic behind leaving out the HDD prices as that is gonna be different for every user." before I said anything from my experiences that justified why I think that the hard drive prices being left out make sense to me. I was saying that it made sense to not include the price of HHDs because everyone's storage needs are different as well as the environment you keep them in. The rest of the hardware is fine but it may or may not matter to you if the HDD have milage, warranties or if you need 4TB or 14TB. 2TB is my Music alone. So I am sorry if I gave the idea that used drives are scary or don't come with warranties. Cause you " these drives also have warranties" and I was not trying to give the impression that you can't get used hardware with a warranty. For that I apologize. I was just showing from my experience with the drives I have had is that when I buy new reputable brands it comes with a warranty by default but used reputable brads does not come with a warranty by default. I was not implying that they never do. I also never implied that they arrive DOA. I personally have never gotten a DOA HDD. But probability sides with the one that has zero use vs the one that has been writing and reading for some time. So preferably I would like the one with less milage cause they more times than less last longer. I would buy used HDDs from you cause you seem like you know your tech so I would imagine you take care of your tech too. But when buying from random strangers then they may or may not know and may or may not care. "Buying new can still result in the wrong thing shipped or a DOA, so not really a fair point." I mean I buy things from Ebay then when it arrives it ain't even the thing that was in the picture. Or its missing things. I got a mobo that did not come with an IO shield but they did not list that it don't have one and the picture had an IO shield. I don't get this when I buy from reputable businesses and from reputable establishments. I have gotten it from unknown brands when new. But not reputable ones. I was not trying to make a point but if I was I think it would be a fair one if anything. Users don't always know what they are talking about when they list things for sale. Mistakes are made with no staff or procedure or training in place to avoid it. I got a PCIe RAID controller that was shown with the battery in the picture. IT did not come with the battery. What did they remove the battery before shipping? That would not happen if I buy new directly from LSI. Only thing DOA I ever had was a 750 watt Corsair PSU 80+. It was like $80 so rather than send it back and wait for shipping I went to the local best buy and got a PSU. Just I had to pay more than $80 in store. But it was faster than waiting. "SAS drive shows up, you would simply return it" Yeah not a problem. But its not fun for the guy that needs the drive to rebuild his data that will all be lost if he don't get the right drive in there. The drive comes....Yes....you open the box....NOoooooo....Its SAS. Your data is in danger for longer cause some guy mistakenly packed a SAS drive rather than SATA. He thinks he sold you a SATA. Well I know not to comment on these videos now. I don't want to rub people wrong for sharing my thoughts or joining the convo

I wasn’t trying to say not to comment, just that I felt like your comment started off with an unfair comparison. I didn’t realize you were speaking more from personal experience than making an argument. I appreciate dialogue, advice, and criticism in the comment section!

Well I would need more drive bays, and I used the data cable from the optical drive for the second hard drive

@@HardwareHaven you can put it under the 5.25 inch cases where the dvd drive is

Not if I still wanted the front panel

For many people power is really cheap, so a lot of the time some extra watts from hdds doesn't matter

Depends on where you are

Interesting..

It's on my list!

57 was a max reported temp. They’re running a bit cooler in my Drivestor4 (~40-45).

Two drives not one… And it’s still a bit low because the prices changed between when I filmed the talking head stuff and when I edited the video