Isn’t she also already dead so she doesn’t need to feed on the difference between expectation and reality or whatever the heck they feed on? Also Cade came back wrong, more like a ghost than a guardian or whatever.

Man, that's like... Super fucking duper important as fucking goddamn shit context. Would've loved it if new players coming into the game with TFS had the option of experiencing tha- oh wait you literally cannot play that content anymore... As in you *literally cannot see characters come to terms with their shortcomings and overcome their flaws to grow as a person*.

But that's not how the game presents it. The game reminds you more than once that wishing upon an Ahamkara results in unforseen consequences DURING The Final Shape. If Bungie didn't care about that being a thing, why would they bring it up? They don't ever bring up the fact that there's nothing to be worried about, Crow even specifically says they did it because they had no other option, so whatever consequences are still a potential problem.

​@@Williasonotice that the ahamkara do wishes is to intentionally fuck with the wish to feed on the divide between what was wished for and what the reality is. Its why they fucking die if they ever grant their own wish, or starve if they grant near exactly what the wisher wants. again, all explained in that very same season.

exactly

Do you want a medal?

No I did the exact same thing. I loved the campaign from start to finish. Don’t let anyone else tell you that you can’t.

Hunter has better exotics, jumps, melees, supers, fashion, and pretty much everything else

I eat crayons and there is nothing you can do to stop me or convince me otherwise!

​@@BoomerNick I like the bloo ones 🤤

@@xayvionasherman Prismatic hunter has like, 3 good combos. Still better than titan though

@@xayvionashermanbut are you a member of the shadow wizard money gang? I think not

Best part of the night lol

And everything else I said in the video was true?

@@Williaso good for you! Want a cookie? I want being pissy or critical

Yes.

I mean, yeah. Especially if they're explosive.

MG for dmg

This is why I always say swords, MGs, and LFRs are unironically the best choice for DPS, because they don’t come with the possibility of “accidental” suicide.

Real

Like peggle

Where's the great story writing? It's exactly like all the other campaigns, with a big bad that barely matters because they basically just talk at you the entire time and you don't ever interact with them. At least with Witch Queen, Savathun actively participated in the plot and not only had a personal connection to your guardian specifically, but she tricked you into doing her bidding as a way to make it even more personal. The Witness just monologues and sends goons, he's no different than like, Ghaul.

I'm sorry man i was there during the stream and the fact you have to stand there while nothing happens except dialogue is so boring

It's cool and fun so who cares. Also, it's a campaign mission. It's easy even solo.

it can be done solo and everything scales to the number of players, so it will be playable as long as destiny 2 its self stays online

I don't really think it's a respect thing at all, but in your case, is it more or less respectful to not match the original voice of the character? Lance Reddick gave Zavala his voice, wouldn't it make more sense to honor him by having the character live on sounding like the voice he gave him?

@@Williaso I'd rather a fictional character be disrespected than risk a real person being disrespected. While Keith is a great VA, it's possible he may have just done an awful impression of Lance's Zavala in which case not only would Zavala still have an off-voice but then it genuinely would've sounded like kind of a sad attempt at "replacing" a well-known figure in the game's community. It's a slippery-slope either way but honestly, the way they went is probably the safer way. Again, I'd rather risk ruining a fictional character than making a (even if unintentional) mockery of a man who passed that a lot of people liked (even outside the Destiny community). I'm not saying you're wrong btw, just giving my perspective on why Bungie might have gone the route they did.

@@jeremycampbell4021 That makes sense. Like I said in the video I didn't expect Keith David to do an impression, if they went that route I'd assume they'd have hired someone who sounded like him, but I suppose a bad impression is worse than no impression.

@@Williaso If they were going to voice-match Lance Reddick, I would have gone with Christopher Judge. When you think about it hard enough, Zavala is just a blue version of Teal'c from Stargate SG-1 (evolved human warrior with a symbol on his forehead who likes to say "Indeed.")

If you love my content then you know this is par for the course. I treat every game like this. Not only is the Final Shape a sad excuse for the ending to 10 years of build up, it was barely new content, with a large amount of the DLC focused on the past so they could re-use assets from previous DLCs as well as content that was already currently in the game.

@Williaso Then it must've just been this one, and I understand why you feel that way. It might've just been I didn't agree with the sentiment. Just keep doing what you are doing then, like every show, there are bound to be a few episodes a viewer doesn't like, and this was my.

​@@Williaso I mean it is a culmination of 10 years of the saga, it's expected that we fight a lot if the enemies we had over the years. The sol devisive are there because they started to actually serve the witness in season 19, the taken are there because the witness has the power to take, the basic hive are there because Xivu arath, and you'd know why the lucent hive are there if you played the after quest when beating the campaign. Heck we literally got a new enemy faction (minus the tormentors as they where there since lightfall). Furthermore, the entire pont of the destination was for it to feel like we've seen it and not seen it at the same time. The pale heart is an amalgamation of memories and experiences, it's expected to be like this.

@@Noname-ol8ef Maybe the Pale Heart would've been interesting if Bungie bringing back old locations and having you fight the same few enemy factions wasn't the go-to for every single other DLC, too.

@@Williaso I don't understand what you're trying to say with that statement. Almost every DLC has introduced a new location to the game, and the Pale Heart is not a complete reuse of assets: it feels new but also familiar (which is the whole point of the destination), while having plenty of new elements to see. And this DLC also brought in a new enemy faction to fight against.

No the radio part is where you sit and do nothing while you listen to the radio because it’s REQUIRED to progress the campaign. If I’m meant to be doing something else along with it then it doesn’t seem like the radio is all that important, but can’t progress the game if I don’t play it Besides, if I already checked my loot and tuned my loadout, what else am I supposed to do? Go and get fucked? We can do that anytime, Bungie didn’t put required radio dialogue in the game to just give you a window to change your gear around.

@@scoobybsnackin idk, that is what i did, just changed things in my loadout and stuff

*the 6th destiny DLC

Is it? Because this was supposed to be the big ending to a build-up of 10 years of lore, and we got a campaign where our character has basically nothing to do with the plot where the big boss is yet another world-ending big bad that doesn't interact with us.

@@Williaso Saying the Witness doesn't interact with us is a lie. Like a full on lie.

@@jordanread5829 What, because he narrates at us during dialogue? He has no personal connection to us at all. Witch Queen was so good because Savathun had that personal connection and tricked us into helping her. The Witness is just every other big bad, he's no better than Ghaul.

@@Williaso They still interacted with us. You claimed they never did. Keep moving those goalposts.

And every other thing I said in the video was clearly the truth?

@@Williaso idk didnt watch it lol

Darude Sandstorm

Battle ready from the lightfall ost

Same, got error coded doing it on launch day lol. Didn't see it till I played with Will actually

I know most of you guys were shouting “take the shot” when Zavala almost got JFK’d. Don’t lie to me.

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​@@Williasono not really ive been watching sice halo reach cas. Love the vids but this one felt a bit undeservingly negative

@@ponttepontte4032 On the contrary, paying $50 for a DLC that involves over 10 minutes of standing around doing nothing as a requirement for continuing feels like it definitely deserves it.

​@@Williasodefinitely agree that that is just down right bad design. And 100% worth complaining about.

Not that the value of the dlc is 100% based if the campaign is good but yhe for a 50$tag it should be better

What do you mean? Yes it is?

I'm not complaining that there's cutscenes - I'm complaining that there's a whole LOT of standing around doing nothing to listen to dialogue. That's not cutscenes. Most games don't charge $50 for DLCs that are just copy-pasting old game assets that were already reused in other places in the game. Most DLCs for other games aren't 10 years into their lifespan. I've played literally every Destiny expansion. I'm not skipping to the end. I'm not complaining about more content - I'm complaining about pacing. Forcibly halting progress on the campaign to do stuff only tangentially related that doesn't progress the plot forwards is always frustrating.

@@Williaso The dialogue at the campsites are showing the characters feeling towards what's happening and showcasing Zavalas mental decline throughout the story And most games with DLC do in fact use the same assets. I mean the Elden Ring DLC has loads of reused assets and enemies. And you make criticisms of the story that were already explained - like the Wish. It didn't have any consequences because we fulfilled Rivens bargain a while back. The most recent season was all about explaining the Wish Dragons and the initial cutscene even explains that. As for the extra stuff at the end? That's literally rallying the armies so that the Vanguard is in a good position for the final battle. Only someone who doesn't like the game would see an issue with additional stuff.

@@shade7327 Yeah - snooze fest. There's better ways to show that and we're just told these things, every single time. While we stand around and watch. Destiny has been reusing assets for EVERY DLC. For 10 years. The fact that this time they tried to frame it as something different when they were doing the same thing they always did is an eye roll. Some of the pale heart locations are even CURRENTLY in the game. The Wish Dragon thing I'll give you. I don't remember the game explaining that at the beginning but I'll take your word for it. I just went off of what the game seemed to imply, which was that wishing upon the dragon was bad - they never told Cayde it was totally okay. Rallying the army was also a snooze fest. You spend most of the DLC gathering everyone up instead of a more interesting build up to the fight. You gather Crow, you gather Ikora, you gather Zavala, then you gather Zavala again because he ran off to die. I mean I can't believe I'm even saying this but at least Lightfall had us training to fight the big bad at the end. For the culmination of 10 years of lore, the Final Shape doesn't feel different from other DLCs at all. In fact you don't even interact with any of the dozens of characters from across the years that you've met up til then, you're just talking to Ikora, Zavala, Cayde and Crow. Everyone else is relegated to background characters in a cutscene. How cool would it have been if the final mission had characters popping in periodically to help you advance to the end so it actually felt like they were there for a purpose?

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Also, it's incredibly funny how Cayde is the only actual character in the series who's past and future we actively take part in, and who's class has the most fleshed out lore in general. Like seriously, we fight Taniks, the man who killed Cayde's predecessor, in the first game and we never get anything like that for the other vanguard. We even meet or get direct reference to all of Caydes friends during gameplay interactions (Andal, Shiro-4, Tevis). Meanwhile, Ikora Rey is stuck with Wonder Woman syndrome, and Zavala is stuck playing into the stereotype of "gruff soldier man"

And it was good

It felt as though he just has a hate boner for the game. If he doesn't want to play it he could just... Not play. But instead he acts as if he's being forced to play it

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You should watch the stream

Final Shape is actually much better than this guy gives credit for

Standing around doing nothing for extended periods of time is bad. Period. There are better ways to do that and they have you doing nothing to listen to dialogue a LOT.

@Williaso I agree but destiny has always been a very story heavy game. This dialogue has no other way to be construed better than collectible audio logs (which would've been WAYYY better)

@@prettylittleenclave Or actual cutscenes, or during gameplay, or presented in a way that's not straight-up telling you everything all at once and actually SHOWING things. There's other ways. Given that we're inside the Traveler and the Witness is creating all these fake locations, presenting the information during some weird metaphorical levels where you're seeing people's emotions physicalized would've been really interesting.

@@Williaso True. Thankfully we did get some of that with Zavalas stuff

@@Williaso Honestly, I'm not sure I want to check if you've done any videos on GW2 based on your idea of how long those radio scenes were. Though I do want to correct you. The Witness was not creating any landscape. The places we see in the Pale Heart were manifestations of our memories, including the Witnesse's. That's also why the Witness wasn't actually able to directly fight us at first once we entered the Pale Heart. The Witness did not actually have that much control of the Pale Heart, and the entire first part of the campaign involves us traveling deeper and deeper into the parts the Witness controls, while the enemies get stronger in those parts. Even the first zone doesn't really have Witness forces, they rather have Lucent Hive forces, which is another indicator that the Witness has very little control there.

Zavala's ghost was destroyed completely in the darkness void thing, ours was still intact and nearby

@@Williaso fair fair, but its funny to think about it.

Most of the campaign is constant action.