A Decade of Democracy: China and Russia

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Athens Democracy Forum

Athens Democracy Forum

Жыл бұрын

Ten years ago, Xi Jinping ascended to national leadership in China and Vladimir Putin began his second stint as Russia’s president. Over the next decade, both have consolidated power over their countries, and today both unapologetically and jointly proclaim their autocratic, ruthless, macho rule as a more effective model of democracy, winning admirers and imitators the world over. As Putin has pushed this model to unthinkable extremes, what has the effect been on fellow and aspiring autocrats? What is the best way to prevent the template from replicating even further?
Jaroslaw Kuisz, Editor in Chief, Kultura Liberalna
Jeffrey Sachs, Director, Center for Sustainable Development, Columbia University
Su Yun Woo, Postdoctoral Researcher, Institute of Political Science, University of Zurich
Moderated by Steven Erlanger, Chief Diplomatic Correspondent, Europe, The New York Times

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@shawnhennity1769
@shawnhennity1769 Жыл бұрын
"Jeffery, stop. It's enough, I am the moderator " in a forum for democracy. That provides a clear explanation of how the current Western democracy is, nothing more and nothing less.
@nanjinglover9920
@nanjinglover9920 Жыл бұрын
well said
@alexandervantricht2189
@alexandervantricht2189 Жыл бұрын
Shawn Hennity, this says it all . Greetings from Belgium
@chiman730
@chiman730 Жыл бұрын
You hit a nail on the head Shawn
@zhangyi5145
@zhangyi5145 Жыл бұрын
Democrashits should be a fair word for western systems if you insist to name voting system controlled by capitals. At least you should avoid using the word "democracy", otherwise you're literally insulting your own language
@Modus07
@Modus07 Жыл бұрын
Quickly went from Democracy Forum to Autocracy Forum. Oh, the irony.
@leevictorkc7063
@leevictorkc7063 Жыл бұрын
The world needs more people like Professor Sachs who speaks the truth without fear. Keep this up Professor!
@rammpage4468
@rammpage4468 Жыл бұрын
But he got shut up by moderators everytime that he speaks on stage, people don't want to listen, or don't want the normal people to listen to the truth, that's the world we live in.
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia. All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
@pearsonleek954
@pearsonleek954 Жыл бұрын
The moderator already had the answer, and just looking for proof from casts
@chenren6977
@chenren6977 Жыл бұрын
BBC once interviewed him for a environmental program but he was asked straightaway about China's democracy. You should listen how he educated the host, cracking!!! The pay back is - he never invited by BBC again because the agency doesn't allow guests with different view 😱
@erical237
@erical237 6 ай бұрын
freedom of speech - free to speak about what they want to hear.
@lavendereucalyptus3225
@lavendereucalyptus3225 Жыл бұрын
Prof Sachs is A hero for truth, A hero for humanity A hero of integrity and honesty Good people love Prof Sachs 🙏❤️🙏
@dracoyaya8661
@dracoyaya8661 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@arthurlincoln9093
@arthurlincoln9093 Жыл бұрын
He's a conceited big head who would happily take away our freedoms as would little miss China here who seems as though she is trying to sell us a square wheel.
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia. All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
@billycheung8836
@billycheung8836 Жыл бұрын
Totally agreed!
@obserwator1766
@obserwator1766 Жыл бұрын
96 / 5 000 Wyniki tłumaczenia Sachs is also just plain cheeky, arrogant SoaB. The Kremlin's "useful idiot" or agent of influence.
@davydacounsellor
@davydacounsellor Жыл бұрын
Jeffery is a breath of fresh air in the world.
@arthurlincoln9093
@arthurlincoln9093 Жыл бұрын
He's a stinker full of self importance who doesnt live in a socialist paradise that he promotes. If he loves it so much why does he live in the USA?
@davydacounsellor
@davydacounsellor Жыл бұрын
@@arthurlincoln9093 give us a break were just looking a bit of peace here in Ireland.
@arthurlincoln9093
@arthurlincoln9093 Жыл бұрын
@@davydacounsellor I love Ireland. The Irish never know when to stop talking either. To be sure.
@murnyang8381
@murnyang8381 Жыл бұрын
💯💯 afrika with Jeffery
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia. All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
@riccardo9383
@riccardo9383 Жыл бұрын
As expected, the NYT correspondent interrupts Jeffrey Sachs precisely when he describes the United States record of war and aggression from 1950 til today.
@fool9111z
@fool9111z Жыл бұрын
So called freedom of speech and accusation of censorship in other countries
@wyz9815
@wyz9815 Жыл бұрын
My hat off for Mr. Sachs, a brave man with wisdom.
@untertk3048
@untertk3048 Жыл бұрын
NYT must have regretted big time that they have invited Prof Sachs. Looked at the reactions from the audience when he spoke. I feel sorry for the poor moderator who completely lost it when Prof Sachs make his point that UK was and US is the biggest threat to world peace while both are viewed a democratic society from inside. The guy couldn’t handle it anymore and started shouting, so disgusting
@ruggierolauriadafiore
@ruggierolauriadafiore Жыл бұрын
@@untertk3048 I absolutely agree with you and make mine your words
@randht
@randht Жыл бұрын
That's why we keep having endless wars. They try to shut truth tellers up. The US needs to stop the violence, my entire life has been occupied with wars.
@fannyli9853
@fannyli9853 Жыл бұрын
The student from HK is exactly seeds Britain planted since taken over HK. No idea and no knowledge of Chinese history and just siding with propaganda without investigating the fact. Sad. 😢
@kimmeelee9758
@kimmeelee9758 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!! 100% agreed! I love HK SAR, China!
@rebeccachan3405
@rebeccachan3405 Жыл бұрын
He is typical “I am not Chinese” Hongkongeser. The type bred and promoted by the Anglo-American Empire.
@sleepyjoe4529
@sleepyjoe4529 Жыл бұрын
@@rebeccachan3405 The funny thing is Hong Kong hates it when Western men "take their women" but actually HK girls prefer white men for a reason -- cuz HK guys have no backbone and no sense of national pride.
@jonsnow8853
@jonsnow8853 Жыл бұрын
This HK guy talked like HK was a sovereign state under British rules 😂 HK never had a free election or freedom of speech under British rules
@icarus113
@icarus113 Жыл бұрын
Not all Hong Kong youth are like this. Those like him already flee to aboard and speaking empty accusation in the western countries for their survival. Hope our fellow chinese would not turn this into hate for all Hong Kong youth. Cheers.
@wyz9815
@wyz9815 Жыл бұрын
What a drama that Hong Kong guy put on as if he really cares about human rights, i dont know if he was has such dramatic feeling when US destroy countrys after countrys, killing millions of muslims? he knows nothing about Xinjiang and Uyghur people who actually live much happier life than before, i have not only been to Xinjiang several times and lived with locals, but also followed some Uyghur vloggers on YT who are showing their daily life in Xinjiang, and I can tell their live is improving a great lot! feel shame that this guy has no interest at all to see the real Xinjiang with his own eyes rather than blindly believing "Nayirah 2.0" lie manufactured by western politicians and media. What a joke.
@untertk3048
@untertk3048 Жыл бұрын
Well said! What a pathetic guy he is. At least the other guy from Slovakia asked a real question while the HK guy was just ranting. It was great that Prof Sachs didn’t even bother to respond to this guy.
@keyboardmanyoutube3189
@keyboardmanyoutube3189 Жыл бұрын
I can’t take him either. His emotional speech or question is so terrible that he should ask himself about invasion by US and UK. Hongkong youths are brainwashed so well that they think they know the best
@Caoderrick
@Caoderrick Жыл бұрын
It is so pathetic that he actually believe in whatever western media told them
@dehua-2730
@dehua-2730 Жыл бұрын
Hong Kong people are super racist, that tells you that the apple does not fall far from the tree. They learned much from the brits.
@augustliu3150
@augustliu3150 Жыл бұрын
He was raised by British law and education, (Hong Kong was not under the educational system of China, since the lawmakers, education systems are still British) so he cannot take the facts that what he was told are all lies. Then lying to yourself is the best way to continue feeling superior and proud as a Hong Kong or British civilized person rather than Chinese.
@mr.cosmos5199
@mr.cosmos5199 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Sachs is more concerned for the well-being of the whole world rather than any particular country.❤
@user-bn6vz1rf8q
@user-bn6vz1rf8q Жыл бұрын
He's so inocent and naive, there's no freedom of speech in China, world will be the same if China leads.
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia. All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
@gregorywade1559
@gregorywade1559 Жыл бұрын
How does opposing War harm any particular country?
@cinpeace353
@cinpeace353 Жыл бұрын
Recognizing problems and trying to point his own country towards the right path is a way of love towards his own country. Sure he concerns about US and want to make things right too. The way US going, could be a self-destruction which corrupt from the inside.
@aoeu256
@aoeu256 Жыл бұрын
@@gregorywade1559 Well isn't it US that stops Ukraine from negotiating with Russia?
@equality869
@equality869 Жыл бұрын
Mr Jeffrey Sachs you are full of facts with evidence. You are good
@paulheydarian1281
@paulheydarian1281 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like he didn't sell out, or that he hasn't sold out yet. But remember, everyone can be threatened, and we all have a breaking point. They might come after his family for instance. The power elites behave much like the mafia.
@tokuh5821
@tokuh5821 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Sachs is a great speaker. He is the best of all. He is honest and brave to speak about the historical truth.
@scalarnai
@scalarnai Жыл бұрын
He's got balls of steel to call out his own country essentially as a lawless bullying pariah state.
@arthurlincoln9093
@arthurlincoln9093 Жыл бұрын
He's an economist and therefore knows nothing. If economics was a science the world would be stable but economics is the hand maiden of politics and politics is full of criminals and liars.
@sabinereynaudsf
@sabinereynaudsf Жыл бұрын
@@scalarnai That is the messiness of democracy. The beauty of the autocratic states people will not be allowed to point out anything negative of their states. In Russia any opposition gets imprisoned, in China there will be a political purge.
@willengel2458
@willengel2458 Жыл бұрын
Sachs witnessed firsthand "Shock Therapy" did to Russia and the Russian people.
@arthurlincoln9093
@arthurlincoln9093 Жыл бұрын
@@willengel2458 Did he really? So what? Yeltsin endorsed it. Gorbachev flirted with it and was the acceptable face of a Russian leader in the west. The oligarchs stole the money. They looted the state and it was Russian politicians who destroyed the lives of Russian people. No wonder the USSR collapsed.
@samyang5873
@samyang5873 Жыл бұрын
China & Russia matter to most of us , said the moderater. To me , the answer is NO. US hypocricy , lies & brutality are what matter to most of us. My upmost RESPECT for Mr Jeffrey Sachs. Greetings from SEAsia.
@stonejames135
@stonejames135 Жыл бұрын
The overwhelming support for professor Sachs here is a telling testimony that truths don't lie in the main media players but in the common people who feel sick of the hypocritical dominant media machines.
@vascojoao
@vascojoao Жыл бұрын
people are ready to explode, or runaway, this so called western democracy is becoming too dangerous, and everything is about to fail.
@amossutandi
@amossutandi Жыл бұрын
Were they applauding Sachs, or were the applauding the moderator silencing Sachs? Since they did not shout out to let Sachs continue his speech, I am under the impression they applauded silencing the non politically correct view of the western establishment.
@harryliu5089
@harryliu5089 11 ай бұрын
@@amossutandi Lmao. Are you the type of person who thought the audiences were booing Taylor Swift after Kanye West grabbed the mic from her?😂
@codzymajor
@codzymajor Жыл бұрын
Jeff is a warrior for peace.
@daivietnguyen7289
@daivietnguyen7289 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
@woldemarbauer9295
@woldemarbauer9295 Жыл бұрын
Another warrior for piece? - Hopefully not! Moreover, I do believe he is a true piecemaker!
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia. All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
@krisdeweese2619
@krisdeweese2619 Жыл бұрын
It's a NYT forum, focused on criticizing China and Russia as not meeting the West's standards of *democracy.* Dr. Jeffrey Sachs (at about 14:50) points out that Great Britain was the greatest democracy of the 19th century and also the most violent nation of that time. And then Dr. Sachs points out that since the 1950s, the US has been the most violent country in the world, and the NYT moderator rudely demands that Dr. Sachs stop talking. HUGE respect to Dr. Jeffrey Sachs for actual truth telling, something we rarely see at events such as this fake forum. Dr. Sachs does some more extreme truth telling again beginning at about 31:13, again with the moderator freaking out and trying to stop him.
@meshzzizk
@meshzzizk Жыл бұрын
19:50
@ysw8291
@ysw8291 Жыл бұрын
I believe NYT has been promoting Yellow Peril and Sick Man of Asia and here they are talking about democracy. What a joke. They can't even stay true to themselves.
@elizabethtan1807
@elizabethtan1807 Жыл бұрын
I would add that the violence continues today. Blair invaded Sierra Leone ; and collaborated with Bush Jr. to invade Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
I really liked the scene where the host interrupted Professor Sachs so much, I couldn't help laughing
@amossutandi
@amossutandi Жыл бұрын
It's maybe why the establishment are pushing identity politics. It's not the contents of your character nor your action that counts, but what label you put on the person/perpetrator/country.
@jomapiku2698
@jomapiku2698 Жыл бұрын
After watcing many these kind of videos, I came to conclusion that the democracy the West means is the rest of world should obey it without any questions asked. 😆😆
@moresoysauce5489
@moresoysauce5489 Жыл бұрын
Exactly like Sachs said, you can be democracy at home and imperialist abroad
@Amaking10000
@Amaking10000 Жыл бұрын
Even in the US, they banned people from speaking truth.
@JT-cm9di
@JT-cm9di Жыл бұрын
Dictation = you must obey what I say. West Democracy = you must obey what I say. 🤔
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
There's no Democracy in the US or its colonies because all the politicans are bought by Corporations and Banks.
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
u the point,lol
@teckchuonting4582
@teckchuonting4582 Жыл бұрын
Prof Sachs is the modern day Aristotle
@Moribus_Artibus
@Moribus_Artibus Жыл бұрын
No, sir, far from it. Read Aristotle's Politics and you will see that he says that a good monarchy is more honorable than a good democracy, consequently he also says that bad monarchy is worse than a bad democracy.
@dogzdigital
@dogzdigital Жыл бұрын
Nah just a well read guy with some common sense.
@comradekenobi6908
@comradekenobi6908 Жыл бұрын
Nah just a guy who opened his eyes to the true But since we lack people like that currently, yeah he's one of the brightest
@sammysamir3037
@sammysamir3037 Жыл бұрын
Professor Sachs, you are the ONLY adult in the room. Thank you sir.
@nakim1200
@nakim1200 Жыл бұрын
on the podium you mean?
@insideout9824
@insideout9824 Жыл бұрын
@@nakim1200 Nope, should be the entire western world
@TAIWAN_PROVINCE_CHINA
@TAIWAN_PROVINCE_CHINA Жыл бұрын
The polish guy is for sure a kind of person who has a great title, yet acts and thinkns like a primary student.
@lavendereucalyptus3225
@lavendereucalyptus3225 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey is peeling off the deception layer by layer, the moderator can’t handle the NAKED truth! 😆😂
@Dr.Garcia-Pazos
@Dr.Garcia-Pazos Жыл бұрын
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs is, above all, a great intellectual committed to peace and humanity’s forum. His skills and capacities to understand very well what’s going around are much higher to the average intellectuals worldwide. Unfortunately politicians aren’t interested to hear about the truth neither to learn how to rule a world in a very complex situation. So we, the people of the world, of every corner of the planet, have the moral obligation to spread Mr. Sachs’ message.
@henryng9406
@henryng9406 Жыл бұрын
Info, you're so right. We need to spread Mr. Sach's work and wisdom to as many people as possible. Let the truth out.
@cathylam344
@cathylam344 Жыл бұрын
Agree your comments
@qiaohong14
@qiaohong14 Жыл бұрын
Mr. jeffrey opinion is not surprising to the Chinese... because it is all common sense For example, I can also talk about the essence of Western democratic politics The essence of emphasizing people's power is to emphasize the power of capitalists, because capitalists are hidden among the people When the strength of the people becomes greater, the strength of the capitalists will become greater., Therefore, capitalists must emphasize "the supremacy of individual power", "liberalism", "social Darwinism" and "small government", because the reality is "winner takes all" The essence of the world is not the left and the right... but the lower and upper classes Why does capitalism emphasize the left and right? Capitalists hope that people do not understand that the essence of the world is class... so that the lower class will not threaten them, so their themes are homosexuality, abortion, environmental protection and other non class issues... 5% of the world's people decide the ideology of others The essence of the separation of powers is not legislation, administration and judicature, but capital groups, political power and media. Behind the media is a consortium, and behind the candidates is also a consortium. Political leaders can be replaced because they are the puppet of capitalists. But capitalists are always capitalists. The richest 200 people in the United States can decide government policy. Just as the German premier was forced to visit China by a group of German consortiums, the capitalists are stateless and can go anywhere to make money. If there is a threat, they will leave there. They need not be responsible to the people there. If anything goes wrong, we will elect a new regime. People's grievances do not affect them, and they are still at large. For example, the subprime mortgage crisis in the United States means that the government has been kidnapped by capital. Therefore, capitalists must emphasize "openness" and embrace "globalization" until China emerges and defeats them with their rules of the game. The struggle between Democrats and Republicans is also a struggle between two groups of capitalists. The Republican Party represents the interests of local capitalists, such as the oil industry and agriculture. Democrats represent financial and service industries, such as Wall Street. That's all These have nothing to do with "democracy and freedom". For example, the West supports the independence of Hong Kong, but Spain, Catalonia, demands independence. The referendum was passed by 92% of the votes. The western government did not recognize them, and they put them in prison. This is a double standard
@YoungTang
@YoungTang Жыл бұрын
I get chills just from listening to Professor Sachs sincere and emotional speech, but it also depresses me he is perfectly correct. As a Chinese American, I have never experienced this much hatred and ignorance towards China by Americans, and mostly from the political elite who is just protecting their own selfish agendas, or by the mobs who have never even been outside of the US, let alone in China, to actually meet anyone that lives there. I personally am not a fan of single party system nor a fanboy of the ccp, but even I can see the fact that they have brought millions out of their poverty in such a short amount of time. Here is a simple fact and you can use your own common sense to judge it; take a trip to China, and ask any random person off the street if they are better off than their parent's or grandparent's generation? Then ask the same question to random Americans off their street in LA or NYC. I am more worried than ever with the relentless of attacks from American politicians, I really hope China doesn't fall for the Western bs as Putin did with NATO. Like Professor Sachs said, why can't we have more dialog and peace talks instead of wars and insults.
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
You are so out of touch with Chinese wisdom. Don't forget that China is the only ancient civilization that is still alive today that has not been interrupted by colonization. In China, if you don't support the Communist Party, which party do you support? You can find a party that does better than the Communist Party, and the Communist Party will be replaced. I am Chinese and I think I speak for the vast majority of Chinese people when I say that we support the Communist Party because they have earned our respect and support. It's definitely not just fear, as the Western media reports. They underestimate the courage and determination of the Chinese. We have the tradition of revolution since ancient times that we are not afraid of sacrifice and war, but we also cherish peace and are willing to do anything for the sake of the next generation
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
Because the US needs wars to make money, to suck the blood of other countries, and to insult other countries to make it look like a powerful and invincible bully that you fear
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
So they need to control the discourse power of the media, a lie told a thousand times will be taken seriously by some people
@YoungTang
@YoungTang Жыл бұрын
@@anonymintheworld9781 your wumao smug is so strong you can't even understand what I wrote is pro China, instead you call me out of touch lol. If you think EVERYONE feel so supportive of the ccp why limit their freedom of speech and the internet? This the fuel that the West can always use If you aren't afraid of people speaking up, then let go the censorship, proof to thr world. China would truly get the respect on the world stage if they were so sensitive towards cristism, as you literally just displayed, I didn't even criticism them in my original post but you decide to comment with gourmet propaganda
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
@@YoungTang 是你没有读懂我写的,并不是我没有读懂你写的,你不是亲中,你只是个精致利己主义罢了。你立场跟我没关系,你想亲哪儿就亲哪儿。麻烦了解一下苏东坡和佛印的故事,然后再来看一遍这些内容。
@alexandervantricht2189
@alexandervantricht2189 Жыл бұрын
I'm not from the US , but a candidate I should vote for the presidency is Mr.Sachs Jeffrey. Greetings from Belgium.
@henryng9406
@henryng9406 Жыл бұрын
Alexander, I agree with you 100%
@ukeliang9277
@ukeliang9277 Жыл бұрын
Amen! For world peace!
@asahiglass
@asahiglass Жыл бұрын
No use US president don’t run the world, the deep state are.
@Kllllllvvvvvvf13
@Kllllllvvvvvvf13 6 ай бұрын
Impossible. If he became the president, he would break the benefits of those "Elites", or he would have to chnage his moralty in that comment. They need biden like people or Trump who only cares his wealth and power.
@schlafmuetzeshanghai
@schlafmuetzeshanghai Жыл бұрын
I wish the Hongkong student would open his eyes and make himself actually on a trip to Xinjiang in stead of sitting at home watching KZfaq and talk about things he has no idea about.
@yzhou3281
@yzhou3281 Жыл бұрын
yes
@yunzhang9471
@yunzhang9471 Жыл бұрын
This Poland guys is a perfect example of what you become when repeating too much propaganda, he can talk half hour but nobody understand a word 😂
@ikf726
@ikf726 Жыл бұрын
He was paid to bad mouth Russia, but he embarrassed himself.😂
@franzobenhauser6364
@franzobenhauser6364 Жыл бұрын
And his fake tears for Ukrainians. Poland showed no tears for Middle Eastern refugees in 2015. Hence it's all just politics.
@baqiriq
@baqiriq Жыл бұрын
@@ikf726 I am from Poland and, unfortunately, I am convinced that he does it for free. Which makes it even worse👏
@baqiriq
@baqiriq Жыл бұрын
@@franzobenhauser6364 Well, tears may be fake but hate for Russia is totally honest🥲
@armelfouyem4908
@armelfouyem4908 Жыл бұрын
@@baqiriq 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@mo5909
@mo5909 Жыл бұрын
Moderator ruined the discussion. He wasn't moderating chat he was filtering it.
@rantingcabbie7020
@rantingcabbie7020 Жыл бұрын
Notice he started off with President Xi wanting to be the emperor forever, then the polish guy straight away drawing parallels of Ukraine and Taiwan, he didn’t even answer the original question of democracy in Russia in the last decade and constantly bringing Ukraine into the conversation constantly
@changaiai
@changaiai Жыл бұрын
And it’s ridiculous what an Orwellian state he’s making China out to be when he talked about how there’s “someone in every apartment” to monitor the people.
@user-ho2hg1pf3k
@user-ho2hg1pf3k Жыл бұрын
中国人支持习主席,更多的是因为大家在他身上看到了血性,敢于对美国说不,这是以前没有的,他上台之前,中国总是不得不向这些发达国家妥协。中国不追求统治世界,中国追求的是让那些偷中国东西的脏手离开
@TheArchAngelRaphael88
@TheArchAngelRaphael88 Жыл бұрын
I love Prof Jeffrey, not because we have the same political view or he debates for the Chinese. Simply of his unbiased, unprejudices characteristics.
@anonymintheworld9781
@anonymintheworld9781 Жыл бұрын
As a Chinese, especially one who has lived in both Europe and China, I feel that the Western media has been consciously smearing China and not reporting China objectively. This is largely why many Westerners have a negative attitude towards China. However, only if you have actually been to China and lived there you can understand why ordinary Chinese people support the Communist Party so much. Simply because for the vast majority of people their voices were heard, their demands were met, they got what they wanted. They have many freedoms and rights that some westerners don't have. Most Chinese don't understand why Westerners who talk about freedom force the Chinese to copy their democracy and don't give the Chinese the freedom to choose their own way of life and political system.
@jossietem1700
@jossietem1700 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, Raphael. He is for coexistence and cooperation.
@TheArchAngelRaphael88
@TheArchAngelRaphael88 Жыл бұрын
@@anonymintheworld9781 the good political system are ought to serve the public, not the minority, or the particular bunch of interest. Hilariously those people who hates CCP but they barely understand the situation, their history. They never objectively analyse the pro and cons of each political system. Although Chinese system not the best political system, they have the ability to rectify it, and they never urged to export their political system.
@TheArchAngelRaphael88
@TheArchAngelRaphael88 Жыл бұрын
@@anonymintheworld9781 yes I can't agree more with you
@saptarsimondal7653
@saptarsimondal7653 Жыл бұрын
Jefferey Sachs rocks, as usual!
@meetan77
@meetan77 Жыл бұрын
Huge respect for Professor Sachs who is a man with integrity.
@jerryke4997
@jerryke4997 Жыл бұрын
The speech at the advertised democracy forum was interrupted by the moderator authoritarian. The host showed a model of what is meant by American democracy. Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, you are my hero.
@claudiorocha1115
@claudiorocha1115 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Szchs -combatant for the truth and freedom- a real hero, an excellency in dignity, prototyp of honesty and justice. God bless him!
@jimmytimmy3680
@jimmytimmy3680 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia. All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
@patbyrneme007
@patbyrneme007 Жыл бұрын
Whoever planned this session should not have mixed Russia and China together. China alone would have been fascinating giving us the chance to hear of some of the novel democratic developments in China that actually give Chinese citizens more rights than can be found in the democratic circus in the West.
@samliew6610
@samliew6610 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely right. We could see the democratic rights of the Chinese people are far better than many of our so-called democratic countries
@zeissiez
@zeissiez Жыл бұрын
Reminds of a joke about democracy: A farmer asked his son before he died, "Pigs complain about poor feed, cows complain about heavy work, and chickens complain about dirty nests. What should you do?". The son said: "Change to good feed, buy more cows, clean up Chicken coop." The farmer shook his head and said. "No, don't do anything. Let them vote one from the pigs to take care of them, and let them think they control their own destiny”. Father’s idea = American liberal democracy Son’s idea = Chinese democracy
@SPLITSLEEVE
@SPLITSLEEVE Жыл бұрын
Why, China and Russia are the bad and evil countries so says the USA. They are the owns that need to be contained at the moment. So that USA can keep in full control of the world.
@sindycheng1011
@sindycheng1011 Жыл бұрын
Would any of you go to China & experience the “real” or “son democracy” there under the “ lock down condition” & Zero covid policy? Now!
@dnickaroo3574
@dnickaroo3574 Жыл бұрын
ASPI (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) is a “think tank” paid by the Australian Govt to produce Lies about China. A recent effort was to claim that China uses Uyghur slaves in Xianjing. This was shown to be completely untrue. Australia joined AUKUS - Australia gave up its own Submarines (defensive in nature) - instead we pay the running costs of American Nuclear Submarines which patrol the South China Seas (in return we are supposed to get an American submarine in 2040). The associated militarisation has pushed Indonesia closer to China (similarly for other ASEAN nations). Are these the results the US wants to achieve? China used to be our leading trading partner, with many Asian students being educated here. This is all over - Australia now has the largest Debt in our history. We can all see what the US is doing to German and European Industry. Are we next?
@ExploreWorld2060
@ExploreWorld2060 Жыл бұрын
Jeffery is probably the only one having the cleared mind and understanding the history!
@jonhone1
@jonhone1 Жыл бұрын
The moderator doesn’t like it because Jeffrey said positive things about China and the truth.
@henryng9406
@henryng9406 Жыл бұрын
Proffessor Sachs, thank you for speaking the truth, the world need more people like you. Please run for president of the USA, I'll vote for you in a heartbeat. 👍👍👍👏👏👏
@johnlee-yo8jc
@johnlee-yo8jc Жыл бұрын
A HUGE fan of Professor Sachs!!! A man of honesty and integrity ... unlike the New York Times!!!
@steveyu217
@steveyu217 Жыл бұрын
Dear Jeffery, thank you for brave voice. All real free souls are with, proud of you.
@fool9111z
@fool9111z Жыл бұрын
Wow! Sachs is amazing!
@ArikIkirA
@ArikIkirA Жыл бұрын
Amazing how the polish guy talk about the nervous sovereignty of Taiwan and Ukraine but forget the whole South America and the USA. Don’t get me start on the unmoderated moderator. Clowns get paid I see, how could they snuck in, with other serious panelists, it is a mistery to me.
@lagrangewei
@lagrangewei Жыл бұрын
people compare Taiwan to Ukraine, but they are not the same, Ukraine is a country, Taiwan is part of a country, the ROC still hold territory on the mainland til this day, the PRC allows it to keep the civil war alive, they know it is political suicide for any politician in ROC to suggest abandoning territory to PRC, this prevent ROC from transitioning into ROT while holding territory on the mainland. the reality is Taiwan is more similar to Crimea, part of a country, supported by an external power, ruled seperately, but internationally still recognise as part of Ukraine. Taiwan is Crimea, China is Ukraine and US is Russia.
@viniciustoresan4780
@viniciustoresan4780 Жыл бұрын
@@lagrangewei you are wrong. Us@ has imperi@l institutes backing it. Not russ1a.
@tangkoksoo8458
@tangkoksoo8458 Жыл бұрын
The world definitely need more people like Prof. Jeffrey Sach.
@joeygoode5840
@joeygoode5840 Жыл бұрын
Prof Sachs is such a great speaker, I wish he wasnt snuffed out by the moderator so I could hear everything he had to say
@slly4276
@slly4276 Жыл бұрын
The HK person obviously is definitely so misinformed and regurgitating info from the western MSM. Kudos to Prof Sach for his factual response. Standing with the US elitists mindset isn’t going to solve the problems.
@ikf726
@ikf726 Жыл бұрын
This HK guy, too young, too simple and naive. Hope he will become more mature and develop a critical mind.
@tweedy4sg
@tweedy4sg Жыл бұрын
@@ikf726 Yup, he is obviously one of those yellow-silk r0aches rioting in 2019. He trots out the usual China-bashing tropes or talking points paraded repeatedly by western media. These are the type of people who clearly are trained to use the same playbook by the West i.e. describe only the horrific symptoms ("gulags" in XJ as if it's a irrefutable fact LOL, jailing students in HK, etc.) without ever mentioning what's the actual cause/provocation i.e. religious extremism, terrorism, separatism in XJ & HK's breakdown of law & order in 2019 descending into anarchy. Why ? It would have neutered if not diminished their sensational & false narrative.
@MadeinChina-ui9my
@MadeinChina-ui9my Жыл бұрын
They obviously brought someone from HK to attack China and one from Poland to attack Russia. Cheap trick.
@wll6777
@wll6777 7 ай бұрын
He doesn’t even look smart 😂
@davidlu901
@davidlu901 Ай бұрын
@@wll6777that’s why he’s selected by the west. Smart guy doesn’t believe in the western propaganda.😂
@priscillazelaya9816
@priscillazelaya9816 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Sachs is truly a voice of reason and understanding. I wish he wasn't cut off! I would have loved to hear where he was going.
@henrywong1486
@henrywong1486 Жыл бұрын
The moderator may claim he is not to defend a certain party but his tone, questions and interrupuions when Jeffrey Sachs was talking about the qualities of Chinese officials, just indicate otherwise.
@kimmeelee9758
@kimmeelee9758 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree!! Spot on!
@kendellfriend5558
@kendellfriend5558 Жыл бұрын
Im confused as to why the moderator felt the need to stop Jeffrey when he started talking about the US, but he was completely fine letting him go on about Britain.
@yorktsang
@yorktsang Жыл бұрын
You cannot speak anything bad about the US
@swanrex1204
@swanrex1204 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Dr. Sachs of all my years watching the shows of world, you are not a politician nor a player but a genuine teacher.
@crowrequiem3934
@crowrequiem3934 Жыл бұрын
Jeffery Sachs is a true hero of mankind,an inspiration for us all
@daivietnguyen7289
@daivietnguyen7289 Жыл бұрын
Hat off to you, Sir, Pro Jeffrey!!! My upmost respect to you for speaking the truth clearly and in the clearest and simplest English that everyone can understand !!! No BS, and no sugarcoated needed…Just simply the TRUTH !!! 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
@antonycao
@antonycao Жыл бұрын
Prof Sachs is the glimmer of light in the darkness of todays world where political opinion is dominated by MSM. I sincerely thank you for your work and for speaking up.
@chayhiangquek3338
@chayhiangquek3338 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being persistent in delivering your message for the better good of the entire world, Prof. Sachs!!
@JL88
@JL88 Жыл бұрын
Prof Sachs is always on point. What is annoying is this moderator. He comes immediately with tainted lens, right off the bat-listen to him talking about China to Ms Kim and then leads the Polish panelist about his own viewpoint/feeling about Russia. Funnily enough as soon as Prof Sachs talks about the US, he defends….They should find someone more objective next time to claim this role as moderator!
@tweedy4sg
@tweedy4sg Жыл бұрын
He works for the NYT. Birds of a feather.... ??
@tkam9
@tkam9 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey is amazing!! Awesome and brilliant fact based presentation. Su Yun is very articulate and present a pretty good balance view of China.
@tweedy4sg
@tweedy4sg Жыл бұрын
Not balance for balance sake, but the true objectives & intents behind the policies formulated by China's gov't.
@mandhojbudhamagar7234
@mandhojbudhamagar7234 Жыл бұрын
Poor Jaroslaw Kulsz doesn't know what's he talking about neither do I or we. Trying to come to an argument with such a brilliant scholar Sachs.
@erichan728
@erichan728 Жыл бұрын
He is apparently a joke, to be there to make Sachs look ever better.
@woldemarbauer9295
@woldemarbauer9295 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey is a true peacemaker, not just another warrior for piece.
@musiqal333
@musiqal333 Жыл бұрын
Guess the moderator couldn't handle that democracy in a democracy forum. 🤣🤣🤣
@Frannie12
@Frannie12 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Sachs is emerging as the strongest, clearest and even bravest voice for peace in this crisis (Ukraine).
@uchannel1197
@uchannel1197 Жыл бұрын
Professor Sachs is the only one who spoke reason
@edwardchimedza3072
@edwardchimedza3072 Жыл бұрын
These former USSR territories should know that the promise that NATO was not going to expand east wards of Germany was the reason Gorbachev agreed to the collapse of soviet Union. Failure to accept that now will be viewed as an act of provocation on RUSSIA by NATO
@nakim1200
@nakim1200 Жыл бұрын
Germany should be the first country to voice out no more NATO expansion, as without Gorbachev's approval Germany could not have been unified. Germany reaped the benefits but does not keep the promise.
@shawnhennity1769
@shawnhennity1769 Жыл бұрын
The misconception about "democracy," in my opinion, is that there is only one kind of it-political democracy, such as one- or multi-party political systems, completely ignoring economic and social democracy. You can have a political democratic system, such as election, while people lack economic and social democracies, . Let me offer you two examples: elections can be held, but many people are still homeless, and many people are bankrupt because there is no government-sponsored health care. Democracy should be a means to make people's lives better, not as a primary goal. Any democracy that can't make people's lives better isn't a good democracy.
@jdsu7150
@jdsu7150 Жыл бұрын
Fully agreed
@dracoyaya8661
@dracoyaya8661 Жыл бұрын
Even the election is not democratic either, because poor people can never be elected ever. Furthermore, if a party can’t represent the majority of people, especially the bottom ones, you can never call that democracy.
@stonejames135
@stonejames135 Жыл бұрын
The so called democracy from the the western world is the right to colonialize other countries. This kind of democracy they are pursuing does not befifit the general public in result oriented way but superficial procedure. And most importantly the west has always use democracy as weapon tools to topple and outthrow an elected foreign government that don't want to be their puppet. So bombing of Serbia and invasion of Iraq lybia Cuba and Vietnam are all the notorious legacy of so called democracy! They exercise democracy home while ruthlessly killing and bombing others is so hypocritical.
@oswarz
@oswarz Жыл бұрын
Actually it is not a democracy. What you name a political democracy can be and is easily manipulated.
@zhangyi5145
@zhangyi5145 Жыл бұрын
Democrashits should be a fair word for western systems if you insist to name today's voting system controlled by capitals. At least you should avoid using the word "democracy", otherwise you're literally insulting your own language
@candicel8162
@candicel8162 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor Sachs for your bravery to speak the truth. 👍👍
@Dr.Garcia-Pazos
@Dr.Garcia-Pazos Жыл бұрын
I’m a follower a true fan of Prof. Sachs, and didn’t like the moderator interrupted him, but you shall agree with me that Democracy lies on rules. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@normanvanrooy3113
@normanvanrooy3113 Жыл бұрын
That was an interesting and educational forum. I really like Professor Sachs' approach which is born out of extensive experience. He spoke with a wisdom with a most reasonable kind and something I will try to emulate. Understanding the underpinnings of cultural expressions of governance is absolutely crucial to forge a pathway to a more harmonious planetary existence. Thank you Professor Sachs for your fearless voice of reason and wisdom. We need more leaders of thought like you.
@hellfarm66
@hellfarm66 Жыл бұрын
Why that guy keep’s interrupting Jeff. let him finish first very unprofessional from the host.
@saptarsimondal7653
@saptarsimondal7653 Жыл бұрын
This is not unprofessionalism! This is western censorship!
@fool9111z
@fool9111z Жыл бұрын
Because what Sachs is about to say is embarrassing and contradicting to the West. He is the mirror that the west refuses to look into.
@wyz9815
@wyz9815 Жыл бұрын
Apparently, he just didnt like what he heard from the professor who talks about facts rather than western political ideology. This is one of western media interview "skills" that making up the question in a manner to get the answer you want, if not, interrupt and stop in time, and continue to the next question until getting what you want.
@Arcy0429
@Arcy0429 Жыл бұрын
Steven Erlanger’s ego was pricked and was hurt terribly with the truth that Jeffrey Sachs related. So hurt that Steven has to stop Mr. Sachs!
@dfwherbie8814
@dfwherbie8814 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad that people are starting to see how awesome professor Sachs is. He’s always been a man of integrity. Been reading him since college.
@intothemoat
@intothemoat Жыл бұрын
That Hong Kong student doest know what he's asking. The one country that colonised Hong Kong (britain) has a long history of human rights abuse. So if this is indeed about human rights, why does he support British rule over Hong Kong? Silly young man.
@Rise_Fall
@Rise_Fall Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey is very brave, say truth even in the western political correctness forum.
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty Жыл бұрын
My goodness, Professor Sachs has such integrity.
@ZenLH
@ZenLH Жыл бұрын
Kudos to prof. Sachs with his extraordinary speech 👍👍👍👍👍
@lourginamiculob2797
@lourginamiculob2797 Жыл бұрын
i agree with prof. Sachs. He is brave who speaks the truth about America.
@Arcy0429
@Arcy0429 Жыл бұрын
My hero, Mr. Jeffrey Sachs!
@the1onlynoob
@the1onlynoob Жыл бұрын
If you are being censored by the main stream media, then you are saying the right things.
@cyl7934
@cyl7934 Жыл бұрын
That Hongkong guy just so clownery, lol
@szhang2097
@szhang2097 Жыл бұрын
It was pre-arranged. Still he sakes and looks like he is going to crumble.
@sleepyjoe4529
@sleepyjoe4529 Жыл бұрын
There is a reason why HK girls prefer western men over their own: cuz of this sad display of cuckery.
@feifeizhang1331
@feifeizhang1331 Жыл бұрын
The truth is always painful to know, especially when it does not make ppl feels good/comfortable/privilege anymore. Have all my respect to Professor Sachs, who is one of the few that understands and dare to speak out in the Western world.
@jincao2029
@jincao2029 Жыл бұрын
My upmost respect to Professor Sachs
@growbear
@growbear Жыл бұрын
I am surprised that a forum held by the NYT would even allow different voices such as Jeffrey Sachs's to be heard. Erlanger let the Ukrainian ramble on for a long time, and cut off Sachs when he didn't like what he heard. Lots of backbone, Erlanger!
@david_w.5971
@david_w.5971 Жыл бұрын
Does the western democracy works? And what is definition of democracy in western countries? Does the war in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan helps the people have democracy? Many there is a eastern democracy? And over 10 years, we will or can see that some democracy are not a one sided fits all!
@poseidon61
@poseidon61 Жыл бұрын
The narrative was set when he referred Xi to an emperor.
@chanedwin2574
@chanedwin2574 Жыл бұрын
Prof Sachs spoke for 5 minutes and had to be cut off, while that Polish guy get to mumble on incoherently for 8 minutes straight. So democratic hahaha
@Censor999
@Censor999 Жыл бұрын
Jeffrey has the balls to tell the truth! ❤
@jointscript
@jointscript Жыл бұрын
Prof. Sachs just nailed it! Kudos to him!
@TheBullethead1988
@TheBullethead1988 Жыл бұрын
Jeez, the moderator already showing his bias at the start. I'm glad Jeff shut these fools down.
@antonycao
@antonycao Жыл бұрын
Watching this debate, I couldn’t help noticing how similar the West preach democracy as how it used to preach Christianity: it’s pure and noble, the only truth, trying to convert as many people ass possible, and waging wars with other religions, in the end it’s all about power and money.
@ayserapau
@ayserapau Жыл бұрын
Bravo, good point.
@shawnhennity1769
@shawnhennity1769 Жыл бұрын
After listen whole conversation, I am sure that the Polish panelist has his deep personal agenda, who should be disqualified as a panelist in future. He serves the opposite purpose of this discussion. Two naive students should not be allowed to ask questions in future as well because their misinformed questions will not serve the purpose of this democracy forum.
@littlejigga
@littlejigga Жыл бұрын
I was actually surprised that not all the panelists and audience in this forum were like him. One biased panelists out of three was very delightful, don't you think?
@nakim1200
@nakim1200 Жыл бұрын
I also don't think that the lady panelist's presence is necessary at all.
@shawnhennity1769
@shawnhennity1769 Жыл бұрын
@@nakim1200 She was fair. She was ignored by the moderator at most of time. it's a shame.
@nakim1200
@nakim1200 Жыл бұрын
@@shawnhennity1769 The moderator put her there as a decoration.
@chillstep4life
@chillstep4life Жыл бұрын
The moderator himself was very narrow minded. The entire forum felt more like a show of propaganda. Even the two student questions seem to be both hand picked before hand...
@PurchaseRationale
@PurchaseRationale Жыл бұрын
Haha! what a democracy model. Moderator has to stop freedom of speech. Bravo J. Sach.
@janetdeng7966
@janetdeng7966 Жыл бұрын
That HK guy is a liar. I wonder if he got paid to give slanders about Xinjiang. Definitely Uyghur live in much better condition than black life in America.
@hartonolee
@hartonolee Жыл бұрын
What does it for me is when he said he might be sacrificing his personal freedom (jailed) for asking . My goodness. Its as if his opinion was that important or threatening to China.
@nakim1200
@nakim1200 Жыл бұрын
He is just a jerk and wants to make himself look important.
@liechinmannorman5140
@liechinmannorman5140 Жыл бұрын
This is a forum whereby only Professor Sachs's view matters. The others on the panel were not at the same level of intellectual and occupational attainment to shed further light on the topic.
@xiaoxinzhao1814
@xiaoxinzhao1814 Жыл бұрын
My upmost respect to Prof. Sachs for speaking the truth.
@pipilim6491
@pipilim6491 Жыл бұрын
A great panel discussion with the honorable Professor Sachs in it. It is the truth that most people are searching for and in him I could find the real truth. Thank you Professor Sachs.
@leebarry5686
@leebarry5686 Жыл бұрын
Professor Jeffery said the truth
@blogintonblakley2708
@blogintonblakley2708 Жыл бұрын
You aren't talking about democracy if you can't let a panelist tell the truth without freaking out.
@a1142730
@a1142730 Жыл бұрын
Prof. Sachs: "the Emperor has no clothes!" The moderator: "Jeffery, stop... It's enough!" let's talk about the democracy in China and Russia!!
@kornbob2665
@kornbob2665 Жыл бұрын
JEFFREY! STOP! You're spitting out so much truth and facts.
@georwoogle
@georwoogle Жыл бұрын
Unbelievable. Is this a “democracy” forum? 😮😮
@FirstLast-rn3jv
@FirstLast-rn3jv Жыл бұрын
Bravo Jeffrey for sticking to the truth!
@yunye1
@yunye1 Жыл бұрын
Professor Sachs - a conscientious professor .We need more people like him. Moderator, stop interrupting, let Professor Sachs reveals more truths。
@stephenho6258
@stephenho6258 Жыл бұрын
The title of the talk is "A decade of democracy: China and Russia" why none of the speakers are from China and Russia
@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344
@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344 Жыл бұрын
This moderator isn't moderating, he enforces the rules of a thought prison, while suppressing the truth. I'm glad Jeffrey Sachs didn't shut up.
@borisyuabov7292
@borisyuabov7292 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Jeff Sacks you are the best 👌
@willng247
@willng247 Жыл бұрын
The one act of shutting down Sachs has killed of any credibility from this New York Times sponsored forum.
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