A Decade with Arch: Why I Said Goodbye 💔🐧

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Жыл бұрын

I never thought I would be making a video on how I quit using Arch Linux. At least, not so soon. About 10 years ago, I installed Archbang (a derivative of Arch), and I was pretty much hooked. It was bullet-proof stable, the Arch Wiki showed you how to do everything, and it was all just very interesting. Before that, I used Ubuntu but because of certain problems that I didn't have on Arch, I went with Arch. For about 7-8 years, it was an experience that was life-changing in the way I look at computers. But, as in many good things, it has come to an end.
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@FullStackOnArchLinux
@FullStackOnArchLinux Жыл бұрын
"I use Arch btw", a statement so bold, My system's so sleek, it never gets old, From the AUR to pacman, a tale to be told, Arch Linux is the best, a fact so well-sold.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 11 ай бұрын
I think NixOS is the best. Not Arch.
@anadolijamajh4181
@anadolijamajh4181 Жыл бұрын
My story is very similar, I was on arch 8 years, but no more. I'm now on Debian Stable and... ewerything just works. Cheers.
@Blessed2bFresh
@Blessed2bFresh Жыл бұрын
Hey, great video... just discovered your channel. Doesn't Endeavour offer something aside from Grub on the install? I use Arco on the laptop and Spiral, which I highly praise personally on my server. I've been using Linux since '05ish but I'm just now starting to learn what is actually under the hood. I'm also in my 40's and I stuck through the video btw. Glad to find ya
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about Endeavour since I've never used it. Arco is good. Thanks for the support. I really appreciate it. I'm just trying to get this channel up and going, but I don't want to be a DistroTube clone. DT is pretty badass, but I want to concentrate more on the development-side of things.
@TheThunderSpirit
@TheThunderSpirit 16 күн бұрын
arch is a journey, not the end
@kj_sh604
@kj_sh604 Жыл бұрын
Oh interesting! I haven't used grub on legacy bios until fairly recently when I attempted to install Arch on a Coreboot X220. I think the whole grub issue might just be your hard drive is formatted with GPT instead of MBR, which happened to me on my first go around with an install. There's extra steps with a BIOS/GPT set-up unfortunately. Glad you found a new home though! Arch has always been good to me, but I understand that's not always the case for everyone else. Which is totally understandable given the nature of the distro. I've been fortunate enough to have long-running rolling Arch installs on my main machines (I just clone them over when I upgrade hardware/laptops) and fairly reliable fresh installs on my secondary machines that I experiment Libreboot and Coreboot on. Arch isn't the "end all be all" distro though. They've definitely had some missteps with how they handled specific manual intervention cases (i.e. with the whole grub update debacle) and how they've constantly changed what ships on their ISO (I do think the archinstall script is rather convenient). So if you found something else that works for you then more power to ya! 💪🏽. It's all about finding the best for you 😌.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I just wish it was as good as it used to be.
@Little-bird-told-me
@Little-bird-told-me Жыл бұрын
DO you use XFCE or KDE ? I want to use XFCE but i also like Kwin. I wonder if XFCE has a good inbuild window manager
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I use KDE mostly these day. In XFCE, you can use any window manager you want (xfwm, openbox, Kwin, Compiz, etc). I used to use XFCE, and I had pinned buttons in my bar to change window managers. You just have use the --replace proceeding the window manager, i.e. compiz --replace.
@mojtajnynick101
@mojtajnynick101 Жыл бұрын
I would share the same story but with Manjaro. After 5 years and 3rd death of it after the upgrade I wasn't even able to recovery it from the timeshift snapshot. Now I'm just wondering if it wasn't maybe indeed something related to the grub, because it stopped on that stage and I could not reach even the bash. On my old Dell laptop I'm not able to use UEFI so looks like somebody have made the choice on my behalf... Anyway, currently I'm happy user of Pop OS and for now I'm really surprised how well maintained it is. Obviously my opinion about this distro will be more objective at least after few months.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I literally had similar problems with Manjaro since after about year two of its inception because they use a different kernel than the Arch kernels. If you look closely at the kernel, you will notice that they have their own repos that doesn't coincide with the Archlinux updates. It's weird. On a another note, I hear good things about POP OS.
@blackdeath5026
@blackdeath5026 Жыл бұрын
I had the same problems with Manjaro every install would start glitching out or missing or just not work even tho it was fine the day before
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, that was the reason I initially went to Arch because this kept happening in Manjaro.
@eduardoelfilosofo
@eduardoelfilosofo Жыл бұрын
Hi tuxer you should enable the KZfaq dubbing option like other creators have done, it would be great to see you that way!
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
That's a good idea!
@johanb.7869
@johanb.7869 Жыл бұрын
I used a Arch respin for a while, but the constant perl warnings made me uninstall it. For almost 5 months now I've been using Kubuntu 22.10 with backports so I have the latest Plasma release. So far so good. It's still running smooth. Which Open Suse? Leap or Tumbleweed?
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
As far as I remember, both versions of Open Suse suck.
@johanb.7869
@johanb.7869 6 ай бұрын
@@the_jr_dev depends on the user because I know some that absolutely love it.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
@@johanb.7869 Probably because they don't know better than to love it.
@ShastenMarshall
@ShastenMarshall 6 ай бұрын
@@johanb.7869 I don't agree. YAST just sucks balls.
@scottb4029
@scottb4029 Жыл бұрын
MX Linux has been a solid Debian distro for me. Sure they are an anti system D distro, but they still give the option to use it in the install. I like Apt pretty well , but Nala is an interesting project for a package manager for Debian. Have you checked it out?
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I haven't heard of Nala, but I might check it out.
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 Жыл бұрын
MX is my #1-- I have it on my system too-- and LOVE Nala.. one of the first things I add to all debian distros I use is NALA!!! :) Great minds think alike!!
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 Жыл бұрын
YES I agree on all of it- MX is the ONLY one- other than SPARKY- also a debian distro- that I've had NO issues with AT ALL-- and they work- beautifully-- I just like looking at something different every so often-- but I think I'm about DONE with hopping- going back to MX and Sparky as my alternates and STAY there..
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 Жыл бұрын
Right now, I"m on XEBIAN- it's the new Debian 12 bookworm with XFCE- and I installed KDE on it-- and it's working PERFECTLY-- a 3rd distro now that I have found with NO issues!!!
@johanb.7869
@johanb.7869 Жыл бұрын
@@davidwayne9982 Xebian with XFCE and than installed KDE on it🤔 Why didn't you go for Debian Bookworm KDE?
@TequilaDave
@TequilaDave 11 ай бұрын
I like Debian (Raspbian, Kali ,LMDE etc.) but I'm surprised you didn't go from Arch to Gentoo. I learned a lot about not only Linux but also operating systems themselves by doing stage 1 Gentoo installs years ago. Slackware is great as well for proper Unix compatibility and stability if you need it. I work for the 999 emergency services so reliablity is key. Thanks for an enjoyable video 😀
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 9 ай бұрын
I've used Crux, Gentoo, and Slackware quite a bit. I like them but because I do a lot of things with recording music, video editing, etc; a systemd-free system is not going to work without a lot of hacking at the OS unfortunately. Otherwise, I think I would use either one of those distros ahead of Debian.
@tsa4983
@tsa4983 Жыл бұрын
I'm on Arch. First it broke after installation, then I installed EndeavourOS which was bloated, so I installed Archcraft, then ArcoLinux. Things breaks from time to time. That's why I stick with Arco which is not the best choice, but Eric Dubois is great on his KZfaq fixing fast what's broken. Still, things breaks a lot. Now I cannot use out of the box my cellular modem, but only workaround works. The thing is that there is a lot of pain, but with that there is progress of learning. I don't recommend it to any person who wants to have stable OS. Debian breaks a lot as well, because you won't be able to stick with old packages, so either you sacrifice a lot of SSD space installing flatpak or other things or just break things with backports. Thing is that Debian is slow, you can feel it using it. Old and slow and Arch is like ADHD teenager who is full of energy, but breaks things sometimes. I would rather control a teenager and have an interesting life than be with old people all the time. There is no perfect distro out there, no matter if somebody tells you that. People are searching for perfect everything, so they buy Mac or iPhone. It's stable, but you cannot play games on it. The same is with Windows, you can game, but give away your personal data. No perfect distro, even if you pay for it. The key for me was to accept that, but sometimes I'm tired. Guess it's a learning curve for all of us.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I don't notice it any faster than Arch. There are definitely quirks on both systems. The thing is that I had the perfect system until about 2-3 years ago, and until last year I had a build of Arch that I built that lasted 5 years and survived three different computers. There was hardly any maintenance and I was happy. Now, that's totally changed.
@catav6018
@catav6018 10 ай бұрын
i went ubuntu, fedora, back to ubuntu and then to arch, been using arch for the last 4 months now, i found it to be more stable than ubuntu or fedora. At least in my case in ubuntu or fedora things were either missing (NDI plugin for obs), or they just broke out of the blue (games stopped working after they ran fine, VLC deciding to not play video if render window was docked to main window) and many little things like these that made me go to arch, never had anything break on Arch so far.
@ShastenMarshall
@ShastenMarshall 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Ubuntu either. The thing about Fedora that I dislike is the fact that their distro doesn't really have great support for Desktop Environments other than Gnome and I hate Gnome. You will have package conflicts if you use the AUR.
@godisgood5089
@godisgood5089 11 ай бұрын
I don't understand why your grub doesn't work. It lets you select it on the archinstall script and automatically puts it in your system. I'm relatively new to Arch and grub has never broken, even after customizing it with a splash screen.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 11 ай бұрын
I guess you didn't understand, I was doing a Legacy installation of Grub and not UEFI. Had I done UEFI, it would have worked. I didn't want UEFI.
@siphr
@siphr Жыл бұрын
Good- You should use the distro you are comfortable with- I on the other had swear by it and it elped me stop distro hopping-
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Arch Linux had managed to get me to stop distro hopping too. I think part of it was the fact that Arch is easy to maintain, easy to get up and running the way you want, and I think it gave me a chance to understand some things about Linux and how to solve problems. I'm off to Debian but I'm not distro hopping like before.
@torsten.breswald
@torsten.breswald Жыл бұрын
i wonder if you ever tried void linux, which i think solves a lot of issues that i have with arch usually
@folksurvival
@folksurvival 9 ай бұрын
I've been using Void for over a year and it has been great.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I've used Void off and on for 8-10 years. I think systemd is a little more stable than runit or openrc. S6 is an interesting anti-systemd project that I have been following that I think has a lot of potential, but I have yet to see it implemented in a way that might challenge the stability level of systemd.
@Coopertronics
@Coopertronics Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've used Arch based distros for the last few years and have come across a few issues like this. The last straw was OBS and their unhelpful discord. Arch is good, but I've been looking at a replacement and installing the flatpak of OBS or any other native app that's 28mb is totally unacceptable. Q4OS is nice and I've used it on older machines, but I've found Alpine Linux seems to fit the bill with older machines. I have been experimenting on a VM with 1 core and 512mb RAM and have had plasma desktop running in 184mb. Discover software manager works nice as Alpine comes with no GUI frontend for their APK manager. You've inspired me to make a little video on installing Alpine desktop on low end EOL machines. Nice little video. Keep them coming.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 9 ай бұрын
Thanks. I will. I look forward to the Alpine video.
@ollicron7397
@ollicron7397 6 ай бұрын
Why are you using flatpaks on Arch? The intent of Arch is to not use them. With Arch it's always best to build from PKGBUILDs and inspect them.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
@@ollicron7397 Well, I only use a couple of APPs used from flatpaks because that was the only place I could find them. You can build from PKGBUILDs and inspect them, but there is another issue because all too often there is an update that breaks several apps. Building from the PKGBUILDs won't solve that problem.
@walter_lesaulnier
@walter_lesaulnier 5 ай бұрын
With Debian, I use Spiral - from the same guy that made Gecko for OpenSUSE
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 5 ай бұрын
I've heard of it, but I haven't tried it yet
@RakibHasan-hs1me
@RakibHasan-hs1me 25 күн бұрын
Why would you use it in the first place?
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 25 күн бұрын
Probably because things didn't break like they did in Ubuntu when I first started using it. Also, I really do like Pacman. It's still one of my favorite Package Managers.
@methanbreather
@methanbreather 23 күн бұрын
if you want bullet proof, go slackware. No fluff. No idiocy. Just working.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 23 күн бұрын
No kidding. I've often thought of going to Slackware, but there are still a few things that I can't figure out. I'm thinking of going to NixOS very soon.
@walter_lesaulnier
@walter_lesaulnier 5 ай бұрын
Arch developers get sadistic pleasure form putting out things that they KNOW will break lots of systems. They probably get drunk and laugh at people in the forums that are trying to remedy the carnage that the Arch developers intentionally caused.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 5 ай бұрын
I think that is probably true enough but it wasn't that way before. It was more stable than Debian.
@CausticAscarite
@CausticAscarite Жыл бұрын
24:30 TRIGGERED
@merlinxxx
@merlinxxx Жыл бұрын
Видео слишком затянутое медленное все что ты сказал можно было уместить в 2-3 минуты
@blackmirroxx
@blackmirroxx Жыл бұрын
I moved to gentoo because of more control of the components
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
I like Gentoo a lot but I'm not sure how well it supports my multi-media endeavors. That's why I am using Debian most of the time.
@SudoLinux
@SudoLinux Жыл бұрын
i use arch btw and it is the best as it provides the customization i need.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
You can achieve the customization on Debian or Fedora. It's just a little easier on Arch. That part is true.
@TFFun-lx9in
@TFFun-lx9in Жыл бұрын
opensuse is a pain at times
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
I'd probably go back to using a Mac if I had to use OpenSuse.
@justanaveragebalkan
@justanaveragebalkan Жыл бұрын
Yeah fam that tattoo,....bit excessive
@afonsorafael2728
@afonsorafael2728 Жыл бұрын
I feel that arch has only been more stable...
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
It used to be. Now, the way everything updates so quickly, sometimes you have serious incontinuity problems. So say, all the programs you have installed require Package A, but your system updated to Package A.1 but the installed packages haven't updated the package requirements. It creates a headache.
@afonsorafael2728
@afonsorafael2728 Жыл бұрын
@@the_jr_dev In the end you should always use what is the most comfortable option for you! I confess I have only been using arch for the past 3 years, and I never had a single problem, (by problem I mean something that would take me more than 10 minutes to solve).... I never used snap packages or anything similar, I only use pacman and the aur. I do software dev, play games from time to time and do some music production!
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 Жыл бұрын
THAT - sir, is THE main problem with ARCH-- they think they have to ALWAYS be UPDATING and IMPROVING-- (neither of which they ACTUALLY DO each time it upgrades)... when something works- it's BEST LEAVE IT THE F..ALONE-- but they. I installed 3 differnet arch distros this weekend-- and LOVED them- FAST , beautiful- nice-- and they updated and upgraded THIS WEEKEND and would NOT work any more... that's BULLSHIT!!!! I figured if they're going to change every time I fix something , SCREW THAT-- I have more important things to do with my time left than spend it FIXING what the new " improvement's" F..k up!!!! SO- making me a shirt that says "PISS ON ARCH"... Like that little cartoon you'd see in the back of cars that would say piss on ford or piss on chevy or whatever.... :)
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev Жыл бұрын
That would be a good t-shirt to make, I think.
@adonespitogonaif
@adonespitogonaif Жыл бұрын
Did arch automatically install updates to your computer? Or was it your choice to update?
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 Жыл бұрын
@@adonespitogonaif You know Arch-- they upgrade every 5 freakin minutes-- which is BULLSHIT... NO ONE needs upgrading and updating so often- once every 2-3 years like Debian would be plenty-- but no it updated automatically-- a couple of times in 2 days!!! I'm done with ARCH- if you have to fix something to use it the first time- and fix it again almost immediately after install- that's CRAP- and USELESS JUNK to me.
@DataDashy
@DataDashy 4 ай бұрын
f UEFI lol I would not want newcrap like this or systemd not in 10 not in 20 not in the next 30 years or in the rest of my life
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 4 ай бұрын
I have tried Devuan, Crux, Gentoo, Artix, and Void on real hardware. The one's I could potentially use are probably Devuan or Void. Artix is buggy (doesn't matter which flavor). I've thought about Crux or Gentoo and on certain systems; I would probably do it.
@fabricio4794
@fabricio4794 Жыл бұрын
Arch Linux Toxic Community Anime avatars...none of this guys are grown up man Pathethic installation process.. AUR
@yramagicman675
@yramagicman675 11 ай бұрын
I used Arch for 7 years and I eventually moved on to NixOS. I moved on because I liked the guarantees that NixOS provides and was tired of having to configure everything manually. NixOS works, period. End of story. The learning curve on NixOS isn't terrible. I had every machine in my house switched in a week, and was able to exactly replicate my old config without any issues. The major issue with switching is changing all your shebangs to reference usr bin env because nothing is in the usual location. Once you get that done, setting up a desktop environment is a one-liner, changing desktop environments is a one-liner. At the time I was running xmonad for a desktop, super simple to install. You mentioned qtile, and enabling that is as easy as setting services.xserver.windowManager.qtile.enable to "true" in your configuration.nix. I don't know your workflow, so I can't comment on anything specific to that, but you mentioned software development and devops, so I'll comment generally on that. NixOS makes both of those a total dream. You have projects like devenv (I'd link, but youtube hates links) that allow you to have isolated development environments with very tight version pinning for dependencies. You can also very quickly and easily enable and spin up Docker containers. Nix is actually better at building Docker images than Docker is in some ways. (See nixos.org, click search, then NixOS Options, then search for oci-container to see how nixos handles containers at a system level.) If you know Docker and Nix, you will never have a problem with a development environment because Nix probably allows you to do what you need to do, and if not, Docker definitely does. Take 2 hours, spin up a VM and see if you can get your config ported over in that time. I'm guessing you'll do it. Every change happens in etc nixos configuration.nix. Build your config with sudo nixos-rebuild test for changes you want to test and sudo nixos-rebuild switch for changes you want to keep. If you can do Arch, NixOS is easy.
@yramagicman675
@yramagicman675 11 ай бұрын
Replying to myself... I know, probably cringe. The other nice thing about NixOS is that updates are atomic. I had my laptop die mid update. On another distro, I'd be hosed. On NixOS I plugged in and rebooted and was 100% fine. You should be fine with your hard reset test, and if you want to take it to the next level, try doing a hard reset during an update on both distros. (Do that in a VM!) Also, suspend just works on NixOS.
@the_jr_dev
@the_jr_dev 6 ай бұрын
I use NixOS in a virtual machine quite a bit and I have tried it on actual hardware. I'm really liking a lot of what I see with NixOS. It reminds me a lot of Crux except with a really good Package Manager.
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