A Deep Discussion on Square Enix's Troubling State & Game Industry

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The Night Sky Prince

The Night Sky Prince

18 күн бұрын

I am LIVE discussing the state of Square Enix and the game industry, the reactions people have had to this discourse and the layoffs, the State of the game industry, and where we go from here.
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@redbearington3345
@redbearington3345 15 күн бұрын
Someone put it well, how can FF keep old fans and get new fans if its always changing? If you like 16 for instance how can you get excited for 17 when all you know is it wont be like the game you did like?
@Great.Gospel
@Great.Gospel 16 күн бұрын
Funny that you say that FF13 graphics were already good enough because the PC recommended specs to run that game on steam say GTX 460. It's crazy that the higher tier graphics cards are 15-20x the relative performance of that now so even a low tier modern day card would be overkill if you went with stylized graphics and just sharpened up the image quality.
@matten_zero
@matten_zero 16 күн бұрын
Here's the actual problem with the games industry from a macro and micro economic perspective: - TLDR is that most game companies (and tech companies) have been running unsustainably for decades thanks to the fiscal policy and the only thing that needs to change is to remove the wastefulness in the industry (including the executives). - Marketing budgets are ridiculous - Production of games that no one asked for (Marvel, star wars, DC etc) - Too many games being produced - Salaries too high (this is aimed at executives) Some of the most successful games were produced by indie teams (see Palworld, Hi-Fi Rush, Undertale etc). Hell FF7 OG was more or less a hail mary by a team with a tight budget. Some of the bloat we see in FF7 Rebirth (its my game of the year regardless) is because the budget is too big. Many of these companies are still locked to the old model of marketing and thus they think they need millions to market the game when social media marketing via influencers and fans of the company should suffice. Why was all of this ok in the past? Without getting into the macro nerdiness, investors could take more careless risks and not insist on fiscal responsibility because the Federal Reserve had interest rates set at almost 0%, so investors were willing to chase returns with investing in tech companies. Now that interest rates are at like 7%, this is causing unemployment and less investment in these companies.
@ReidusQuitzed
@ReidusQuitzed 15 күн бұрын
yeah, they out too much budget on marketing ff7. it was gonna sell itself. their target sales was too high because they were compensating for the marketing and yeah the executives. too many, they have the western branches to pay as well. so, good that they're gonna lay off some of them. make square enix japanese again. too much western wokeness crept in.
@ETHomerin
@ETHomerin 16 күн бұрын
Hey, man. While the news was tough, it all turned out to be a real fun chat. I think we all needed to release a little bit! Appreciate all that you and some of the other content creators do. Glad to share that comment with you, I feel like Tifa and Scarlet are like Molly and Bellatrix Version 0! At the bottom of everything she just seems... mean. lol The OG live execution attempt scarred me for life!
@abadi173
@abadi173 15 күн бұрын
getting FF7 remake and rebirth on the switch will do alot for square
@Rolaz
@Rolaz 15 күн бұрын
About Resident Evil and FF7R. Capcom have full translation of their games almost to all languages with subs and full Voice Acting for far more languages than FF7 Remake\Rebirth. This alone can adds a lot to sales. Resident Evil are no exclusive for PS5. They can even run on a PS4, that is surprising tbh, ofc they are not an open world games, because of this they don't need PS5 power to run it.
@jpomac360
@jpomac360 15 күн бұрын
Love the news coverage bro. Also, 17:18 TRIPLE WHAT!????
@TheNightSkyPrince
@TheNightSkyPrince 15 күн бұрын
AAA-ness… but it definitely does sound like AAAnus 😂 Also thank you so much! I greatly appreciate it :)
@rodocapsule7019
@rodocapsule7019 15 күн бұрын
Please never stop creating these discussion videos ❤😊
@pipz420
@pipz420 15 күн бұрын
Give me the ff9 and ff11 remake on all platforms. FF17 needs to build off of the ff7 remake structure and make a game in shorter time with used assets so they can focus on providing more depth at a faster pace.
@DrMike18
@DrMike18 15 күн бұрын
Duuuuude! I would love it if FF17 would have a Japanese-inspired setting. I’m so tired of damn near every fantasy story being England-inspired, not even all of Europe, just England. Like one of my favorite things about FF10 is the Southeast Asian inspired setting. It made it stand out way more than the previous games with that idea also helping out FF17.
@johnmcternan4157
@johnmcternan4157 15 күн бұрын
They should read Brandon Sanderson for inspiration too.
@eliotwildermann
@eliotwildermann 10 күн бұрын
Bruh if final fantasy x3 can give us more auron I'm there for it
@zupasha
@zupasha 15 күн бұрын
"sorry, I watch everything on 2x" me watching this vid on 2x, and being blasted by Max's 4x vid: "This is too damn slow!"
@pipz420
@pipz420 15 күн бұрын
This is fine. I would rather you watch faster and him speak slower so he can articulate his thoughts.
@vinnieg007
@vinnieg007 15 күн бұрын
Thank you for mentioning that FF needs structure. Recently the franchise has been all over the place.
@drewtheunspoken3988
@drewtheunspoken3988 15 күн бұрын
I like all the FF games (even XIII trilogy) but, yeah, they've been all over the place. If they had released XIII, XV and XVI under different titles, I doubt there are many people who would have thought they were all part of the same franchise.
@yvsliii5422
@yvsliii5422 15 күн бұрын
For live action or anime ffvii just take the story beats bombing reactor one and maybe catch the train frist point two the train and planing at the bar. Three the Jessie mission four the train tunnel and next bombing mission six aerith and that seven cornao and sewers train graveyard and plate fall 8. 9 wall market, wall climb. ten shinRa part 1. 11 shinRa psrt 2 and highway chase. 12 flash back and kelm. 13 zoomer and caves so forth
@yvsliii5422
@yvsliii5422 15 күн бұрын
14 fort conder yuffie lower junon. 15 upper junon ship(queens blood competition included) 16 coast of desal 17 mt caol north coal .18 gold saucer. 19 dyne. 20 gongaga .21 cosmo. 22 nebihim and mt neble. 23 rocket town.24 wuti 25 the date. So on
@BillNyeGuy
@BillNyeGuy 15 күн бұрын
3:09:50. Donkey doooo dooooo bad. LOL. The way you said that just made me laugh so hard.
@EldenKaz
@EldenKaz 16 күн бұрын
FF games not being on PC for release day and FF games not being on Nintendo Switch entirely, is just crazy to me. We don’t need more massive AAA budget FF games, we just need them to be on all platforms at release. Square Enix is limiting their fans base. Already struggling enough to bring in new fans. I love Final Fantasy and hope that Square Enix can right the ship.
@briandesoto7587
@briandesoto7587 15 күн бұрын
The main line FF games are on Switch up to FF 12. I doubt the Switch could run FF15, FF16, and FF7R.
@Dzzy123
@Dzzy123 14 күн бұрын
It not being on Switch has a lot to do with Nintendo releasing dated hardware. Hopefully with their next console the specs will be good and capable.
@eliotwildermann
@eliotwildermann 10 күн бұрын
As im watching this square announcing kingdom hearts is going to steam
@khdmhd2947
@khdmhd2947 15 күн бұрын
I'm happy to see with what's happening with square enix. This is their chance to step back and reflect on their decisions and policies. The reason why square was so famous in the first place was their unique take on creativity and pushing graphical boundaries. They made games for their market and in doing so got the attention of the world. When they started to pander to the whims of minorities in the west, they lost sight of what made them unique. They need to divorce themselves from western sensibilities and just focus on what brings in the sales. In fact pandering to the isms poses a greater risk than avoiding it. The majority of ppl in the world do not hold the views that the west deems sensitive. In fact the majority of gamers in the west don't find western sensibilities appealing. Square enix needs to stop listening to the cultural consultants and just work with the bare minimum that the laws in any given country requires. I think their break from exclusivities is a great move. They don't have to worry with Sony breathing down their necks. Also I found ff7 rebirth to be boring and too safe with their characters and even story. It felt so bland that I still haven't completed the game and I bought the game on launch. What drove their sales was the nostalgia but that can only take u so far. I remember the original ff7 being dark, edgy, nuanced. Even the depiction of cloud in the remake and rebirth looks like he has been sodomized by sephiroth 😅 I remember cloud being cold and ruthless in the original for more than 70% of the story. Now he seems weak and hollow. Aerith had more appeal than cloud. Well let's hope square changes for the better. They need to focus on games and creativity storytelling instead of worrying bout offending the ists with their isms.
@yvsliii5422
@yvsliii5422 15 күн бұрын
Yes I played the games as they came out but I’m in the camp of let them start with remake because one many plot hits of ffvii is kinda filled here but many Arnt into turned base like the og is it’s a crying shame but if they get invested in the games they can play og and cc on there own terms even thoughtless og can be a 10$ game on ps5 switch Xbox steam lol
@ciprianstanciu7
@ciprianstanciu7 14 күн бұрын
Nobody ate my FF17FF15 "theory" :))
@drewtheunspoken3988
@drewtheunspoken3988 15 күн бұрын
Final Fantasy is in desperate need of an actual identity. If you play I-X then there is a definite evoultion of what was established. Leveling systems changed and evolved but the game basics generally remained. I could even see the original DNA in XII. But every Final Fantasy after don't feel like evolutions but completely different games. They have Final Fantasy elements in them but don't feel like mainline entries. XVI would have made more sense as a follow-up to Type 0 than XV. Some of us may be okay with PS3 level graphics but the tech-heads absolutely want the best graphics possible on the highest resolution possible and at as many fps that they can get. They may not be the largest segment but they tend to the earliest adopters with the most disposable income. Which means that new consoles, to sell, need those jumps. If PS4 games was just PS3 with loading screens removed, I don't believe it would have been a success. Part of the reason Remake didn't get a sales boost is because SE didn't re-issue a physical efition. You either had to track down a used physical copy or settle for the digital version
@redbearington3345
@redbearington3345 5 күн бұрын
If FF7 remake was a remake instead of a seboot and 1 game it probably would have easily surpassed expectations. They got to greedy to milk it and put people on making it who didn't want to. I also think they do need to give FF a rest. For any gamer under 30 FF hasn't been good on their lifetime. FF doesn't have a good reputation right now. They need to try a new IP or resurrect an old IP to introduce to a new audience. FF isn't going to help them right now. It's been too long since they made a good one, it's reputation has sunk too low to get the sales they need
@pauljcveiga
@pauljcveiga 15 күн бұрын
I really hope FF7Rebirth gets game of the year...I love the game, as a gaming boomer of 37 years there are many story elements and pacing I think og did better, but this game, rebirth is the pinnacle of JRPGs as much as Baldurs Gate III is the pinnacle of WRPGs. If it gets game of the year I believe it will increase sales and discourse around it, it could get to a larger audience and specifically Z gen, I really do believe it and hope it.
@pauljcveiga
@pauljcveiga 15 күн бұрын
My brother (48 years) says he will play when the trilogy is finally out on Steam, until then he wont bother with it, he loved og too.
@pipz420
@pipz420 15 күн бұрын
Ps5 exclusive really gonna kill the GotY race sadly. I still wouldnt even say BG3 is currently the pinnacle of WRPGs and that is still Skyrim. Even tho BG3 and Elden Ring do help us reevaluate our progress in the market. If they want to target gen Z I am happy they want to target crossplatform which ff11 already proved is successful. They should reuse assets from ff7 rebirth to produce the game faster and use a new naming stratagy like final fantasy tactics.
@eliotwildermann
@eliotwildermann 10 күн бұрын
Bruh yo ac set to 74 mine be at like 65 😂
@1Hollowgoku
@1Hollowgoku 15 күн бұрын
I kno he may be a bit over used but Tom holland might work for a live action Titus
@Kodiie
@Kodiie 15 күн бұрын
Although DEI isn’t the main issue it definitely is a unneeded extra pressure on the development of games that hold no benefit to anyone involved. Did it sink the ship, no. Was it one of the many loosened screws that capsized the ship, yes.
@thegannerabraham
@thegannerabraham 15 күн бұрын
Aside from corporate bs. I think more games would absolutely benefit xbox. I have everything. So pc, xbox, ps, switch. I spend my time more on PC and xbox. Barely touched my playstation 5....played more of my ps4, but still way more on the xbox console wise. I don't see myself doing final fantasy or any single player rpg or not on pc. Mods to me would be the only plus...graphics sure but I'd rather sit on my couch and use a TV then a desk for those experiences. Some games are also I think always going to be more console. I played halo on pc and xbox. Xbox will always be the preference there. In the end, I just hope they got to everything if possible.
@redbearington3345
@redbearington3345 15 күн бұрын
if remake part 3 sells less than 2 this "remake" trilogy is going to be overall a lose for Square. Only SE knows for sure but if we average 70 dollars a sale of remake minus production costs advertising and Sony/steam/epics cuts they made 100-150 million on Remake, which sounds good but when they spent 200 million to make it its not great. rebirth expected to sell half of that would make it something like a 50m lose. if part 3 only sells as much rebirth they're looking at spending 600 million dollars and making 50m back.
@k4yser
@k4yser 15 күн бұрын
Ignoring how wrong your math is, I'm pretty sure the trilogy will have long legs. Once it releases on of the sales will catch up, but the legs are kicking in when the third installment is out and you can buy all three at once. I have friends who never played a FF title but they are interested in 7 remake. They just want to get it once all three parts are released. On top of that, a huge proportion of the sales lost due to the timed exclusivity is being covered by Sony.
@redbearington3345
@redbearington3345 15 күн бұрын
@@k4yser You not liking the math doesnt make it wrong. As of nov remake sold 7 million copies, at 70 dollars a sale thats 490 million. Call it 500. Sony takes a 30% cut for psn sales. Given that half of the sales were in the first 3 days, most sales were on PS digital or physical. 30% is also steams cut, though not Epics but epic is the tinniest slice of this pie. 30% of 500 is 150, 500-150 is 350. Production budget was 200. 350-200 is 150. Course physical doesnt have the sony take, but has its own costs, what % does the store take, production costs of disks and packaging. distrubution yada yada yada. Like I said, only Square knows for sure. Now your sales lost thing doesnt matter, because I'm talking about what FF7rebirth is projected to sell, not what it has sold. It's expected to sell half what remake did. so 3.5 million by 2027-2028. half of 500 million is 250 million. 30% of 250 is 75. Funny enough I google rebirths production costs I just get remakes, but say rebirth cost the same even though it probably cost a lot more. 175-200= -25. At current expectations rebirth is expected to lose money. the more it cost to make over remake the higher that lose is expected to be. Also waiting for all 3 parts released isnt going to help Square out. If you buy rebirth you get remake for free. A free game doesnt make Square any money. the trilogy will get a discounted bundle of some kind as well, which wont help Square. Even if part 3 sales are back up to on par with remakes, this has been a disaster of a project. Spending 600-700 million to make 300 million is a failure not a success.
@k4yser
@k4yser 15 күн бұрын
@@redbearington3345 You seem to not understand how financing game developement works. Every consecutive release will cost less. They keep a huge proportion of their workforce, they have the majority of the assets already developed. There will be very little additional costs on top of staffing costs. The marketing is being covered by sony, which is part of the deal. Keep doing your doomer math bro, but i think they are fine
@redbearington3345
@redbearington3345 15 күн бұрын
@k4yser keeping the work force wouldn't lower costs, and the vast majority of remakes assets didn't carry over to rebirth. Ps4 developed game vs ps5 developed game. Midgar only linear game to open world game. Also overlooking the difference in size of game. That extra what 100gb in file size doesn't come free. Things you point to for lower costs don't apply, and then you ignore all the things that would raise costs. Namely doubling the size of the game. Problem is, you aren't thinking, or paying attention. Square says they aren't fine, so you "thinking" they are means you're just wrong. Square agrees with my overall assessment, this remakes failing.
@k4yser
@k4yser 14 күн бұрын
@@redbearington3345 im not going to continue argueing about basics. just wait and see the how the cost of the 3rd installment ends up and come back to my comment
@m4ur1r4g3
@m4ur1r4g3 15 күн бұрын
Everything what happend at square will probably expand the scope or polish and porting on their main titles. All the teams that did weird B games can now work on those big games. Japanese companies don't lay off instantly because laws restrict them, even the forspoken team only got disbanded and reintegrated into other teams. The lay offs in EU and NA are unfortunate but it is what it is. Overall it's a good thing, especially if they do it like capcom. Edit: Can we stop comparing initial sales with lifetime sales? RE2 Remake has insane sales because it gets sold for peanuts since 6 months after release, capcom in general tends to put games on sale really quick, even if it's a few percent after launch, they are undercutting the competition and win. lol Edit2: Alan Wake 2 sold like ass and got good ratings, guess what it's EGS exclusive LOL
@TronSAHeroXYZ
@TronSAHeroXYZ 14 күн бұрын
This game is one game, not three games. They just want your money. By having the same game be released multiple times, even though it's ONE GAME. They should have just remade the entire game, in one release.
@rolm7813
@rolm7813 15 күн бұрын
I think FF reached its peak popularity with XV. XV was a special FF since it was the first open-world FF and was shown to be similar to GTAV at least from the trailers. It was also riding from the hype from Versus XIII. I think the whole franchise was damaged from a lot of hiccups and bad decisions SE made in the past years starting with the XIII series and the problematic game engines SE tried to develop themselves and it all culminated in this weird place the FF franchise or SE in general is right now. People are getting tired of SE at this point that even if they announce a Chrono Trigger Remake project, everyone would just be meh about it.
@johnmcternan4157
@johnmcternan4157 15 күн бұрын
There are jokes about Final Fantasy being the boomer jrpg, maybe it's time to realise it needs to be second tier in graphics and first rate in everything else. Perhaps a number reset too. It will never be what it once was unless it redefines the RPG genre itself with some unknown ingredients special x. This has been 2 decades coming.
@NikoCat11
@NikoCat11 16 күн бұрын
I think FF Remake trilogy will eventually sell well once it's completed. Other than that, Anime adaptations has done wonders to franchises, like it actually pretty much resurrected Cyberpunk 2077. The problem is that you need to actually do something really good, and it's not easy. Like, Nier anime is garbage, FFXV Anime is garbage, so it's hard to trust Square for this.
@pipz420
@pipz420 15 күн бұрын
A live adaptation of ff9 would be amazing. Chocobos, Vivi, The black mages, the summons, Garland and the Invincible. Epic tv series. Could be the new starwars.
@NikoCat11
@NikoCat11 14 күн бұрын
@@pipz420 yes, but comparatively a quality Anime is much easier to achieve, and much less expensive. But I agree, a well-made live TV series would be a banger.
@pipz420
@pipz420 14 күн бұрын
@@NikoCat11 Yes but also a smaller audience to attract.
@drewtheunspoken3988
@drewtheunspoken3988 15 күн бұрын
I'm calling it now, FF XVII is going to be a soulslike.
@jo-e-type-s8203
@jo-e-type-s8203 15 күн бұрын
If they effectively advertise the trilogy as a complete collection once part 3 releases, I hope they get strong sales out of 3. I still believe they can have a strong and successful VII Re-3! Very happy they can put the whole of FF and other Ips on PC, XB Series X, and Switch 2! Now that we are approaching the big 4-0 I hope for a special edition release for each of the games, to re-introduce gamers who have didn't have access to a physical edition of these games before (good old generation-Y-ers.) I don't agree with you. FF definitely needs an {GOD mode}, unlockable maybe after finishing the game. Where you can court the formermy new/casual gamers to become more die-hard at certain sections of the game : ). I sucked at the Titan battle on FF 16 and still. At least I got to enjoy it all the way through. Can't disagree with 16 being like a really long Hack and Slash. They need a special edition of these games with a god-mode built in if you beat the game. If Square Didn't Have FFXIV, they'd be screwed on the working income side of things. Thank god for Yoshi-P's vision into FF XIV! The brand new pipeline and assertive "renewal and rebirth" viewpoint of their company as a whole underneath Kiryu seems like a good thing, although I'm sad to see them have large layoffs. But that's happening almost all the way across the industry. These layoff just come every 5-to-8 years, really, when you look at it. Does anyone want a FF 17 compilation with a MOBA style game as part of the lore of the story, and a Sleeping Dogs (old square-enix hacker-subterfuge game). They may want to consider an FF VI remake?? It could be really cool. By the way an anime, a major one that creates a new lore. Like the MMO's and Lost Stranger Manga do. I was mad that they cut off the FF 14 'Netflix' show. THat wasa back before I jumped into the game, the art books and the lore books (Encyclopaedia Eorzea.) I believe they need a special marketing campaign that can compare or even excel by being better focussed than the FF 15 campaign. That car was what made some of the magic, but also a lot of the droll of FF15, ironicallly! They need a new 'FFIX' or FF 'XIV' That celebrates the series, but where as more on the side of FF 9, is original, and also ends in a Positive open ending, then set it up for a sequel. I am hoping they do a AA soft sequel to FF XVII (17) too. I agree that a gunblade katana could be cool, but I'd rather a buddy-cop system of either Male or Female optional characters, with optional subclasses of machiner (Industrial Revolution) and samurai as seperate, alternate-able characters (Meaning BOTH are playable on the same file).But by alternate-able as in like the hybrid system used in VII: Rebirth. They need their game to be vigorously fun, like a first person like the Metro shooter horror series, or what GEn z/Alpha are interested in which are still Teen rated games (I think anyway) and superb gaming quality with a game that improve on themes from current events, and characters that have wide emotional value /EQ and suppose questions of the human condition again. Seems like in that way FF XV had an excellent antagonist in ardyn and no control of the broski's, where as FFXVI had a lame antagonist and even less control of partners, so XVI is actually kinda bland in comparison to FFXVI. In contrast, at least you had a Day/Night cycle in FF15. If it was troubled, it was its main ending areas, and that it was hard to gage your strength and readyness to continue within the game.
@pauljcveiga
@pauljcveiga 15 күн бұрын
FF7 Tactics spin off, the war for gaia with Wutai, Junon Republic and Shinra. FF7 TV series "Calamity from the Skies" and you follow Cetra as Jenova arrives, put some Gi episodes in there too Just some ideas to milk the cash cow
@satyasyasatyasya5746
@satyasyasatyasya5746 15 күн бұрын
EDIT: The thralls to capital in the these replies is just sad. *Can we please stop pretending we as random people have any stake or relationship with multibillion dollar companies, please?* Nothing of what happens to these corporations should be 'troubling' - they make more money than you can imagine and when they claim to be in trouble, its just greed and/or mismanagment. I'm so tired of this sports-like commentary over the drama of corporations - *they don't care about us. Act like it.*
@IsaiahNewman-rv8dh
@IsaiahNewman-rv8dh 15 күн бұрын
Without the random people... the bucks don't flow... and those billions and millions go POOF...
@spyrochrisgaming
@spyrochrisgaming 15 күн бұрын
I couldn't give a rat's behind about SE as a company but what I do care about is the future of FF and other games they produce that I love. The "troubling" part is that we don't know the ramifications all these changes will have on the games we "random people" love. If you don't care about that either, the door is over there. See ya.
@ZealGames
@ZealGames 15 күн бұрын
Worst thing you can do when you're "tired" of KZfaq content is to open the video and comment on it.
@chuchuleptitrain
@chuchuleptitrain 15 күн бұрын
actually, I heard that a company is run by real people and the money comes from real people too. I thought a company was a lifeless money holding existence that simply holds money as a pass time. man I couldn’t be more wrong. 😂
@ZealGames
@ZealGames 15 күн бұрын
Actually these companies constantly say and prove that they are listening to the discourse by popular streamers This is a boom and bust industry, so massive revenue does not equal profit and many of these subdivisions of huge companies are effectively making very little relatively. And the opinions of consumers aren't obeyed but are considered... People constantly complaining about naming conventions for a game and reasons their friends didn't buy it.... That's free data. It's saved many series. Look at how Sonic series reinvents itself constantly based on input.
@jellord
@jellord 15 күн бұрын
This guy is laughing off DEI and ESG destroying the game industry and it's not happening. He's drinking the Kool aid hard I'm unsubscribed.
@AnjektusStudio
@AnjektusStudio 15 күн бұрын
So! The one how seem to be on drugs are you. As it's hard to undersrand what yoy are saying. As you are wrtting whit any kind of probely grammar.
@jaybooze5462
@jaybooze5462 16 күн бұрын
Dawntrail will absolutely not sell as much as Endwalker. Endwalker was their End Game. Most people feel they shouldn't even continue the FFXIV world and story because there is no where to go but down from here. They simply cannot follow the past two expansions with anything that rivals them in hype and quality and trying is going to be humiliating.
@uchennaobi5985
@uchennaobi5985 15 күн бұрын
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