One thing I find fascinating is Japan’s fascination with Alice in Wonderland. I’m not even just talking about Kingdom Hearts. They just love the aesthetic of Alice in Wonderland. You can find countless manga artists drawing their characters in outfits modeled after Alice in Wonderland and even some manga retellings. I find that interesting.

I may not like Disney's live-action Alice In Wonderland movie nearly as much as their animated one, but I can at least respect it for being its own thing rather than trying to "replace" its animated counterpart, unlike most Disney live-action remakes.

Fun fact: Alice’s original voice actor reprise her role in Kingdom Hearts in her 60s!

the Cheshire Cat is pretty much the embodiment of chaotic neutral

To be fair, the Cheshire Cat is more of a troublemaker really.

Who is and isn't a villain in Wonderland? Depends on when you meet them.

I'd like to point out that the Cheshire cat does get Alice home. It is her confrontation with the queen, provoked by the Cheshire Cat, which causes Alice to wake up. Which is what Alice wanted help with. Cheshire Cat isn't a villain. He's the only character who actually helps Alice.

I always thought the story about the oysters was a stranger danger lesson

One insteresting thing about the KH manga shows Sora, after fighting a giant Heartless sent by the Cheshire Cat to test him, calling the cat out by asking which side he's on. Cheshire doesn't answer that, and only says that Alice is not in Wonderland anymore. A few pages later, we're shown the main Disney Villains commenting angrily about the cat deciding to give a hint to Sora, adding that Cheshire would've been a great ally, if only he didn't refuse the invitation to join them. So, canonically, Cheshire is considered great villain material, but he prefers to do his own thing. As for the Queen of Hearts, later in the game, she's shown to actually make sure that Wonderland doesn't get consumed by darkness. And another game, called Disney Magical Castle, show some rather cute instances of her love for her husband, while still being her usual short-tempered self.

It can be argued that the Cheshire cat was actually trying to help Alice by sending her to the queen and provoking her, assuming he knew she would wake up if she was about to be killed.

The Queen of Hearts was also an inspiration for Miss Trunchbull from Matilda, as they both resort to extreme punishments when they don't get their own way and have a very short temper. Also it would be terrifying if the Queen of Hearts had her very own chokey, in which Alice would have to escape from.

I don't think any of the wonderland characters are evil or good. They are just neutral and they don't have a moral compass due to their insanity, and even thou they sometimes commit very cuestionable actions they aren't evil, they are just mad.

Fun fact: The queen of hearts is typically played by a guy in the Disney parks because they’re tall

The Queen of Hearts is also one of the seven Disney villains featured in the Japanese only game Twisted Wonderland.

I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention the Cheshire Cat taught Sora magic in the manga. It's just the best example of how he seems to be doing whatever amuses him.

One nice detail I like is that the Cheshire Cat sings a little bit of the Jabberwocky poem in the animated film; it’s a nice way to give a little callback to such a memorable character!

In Once Upon a Time in Wonderland (a sadly underrated one-season show), the Cheshire Cat appeared. While he was apparently on good terms with Alice in the past, he is now much more sinister, with seemingly-murderous intent, and was voiced by Keith David.

The Cheshire cat was going to have a song called, "I'm Odd" but it was cut so he could make a reference to jabberwocky by singing the first stanza of the poem

Fun Fact: Sometimes, in Disneyland Paris parades, there is actually some cards in the parade!

A fun and interesting fact about Kingdom Hearts and Alice in Wonderland, Alice’s Voice actor was actually Kathryn Beaumont (the original VA) she reprised her role as Alice and she also voiced Kairi’s grandmother as well. Seeing her revoice her role 51 years apart was something truly special ^-^ (Alice in wonderland-1951/Kingdom Hearts 2002)

In the original book, the Cheshire Cat is outright the only friend Alice makes and even if he's a weirdo who doesn't help much, whenever he shows up he's a comforting presence because it feels like there's someone genuinely on Alice's side. I wish the film kept that instead of making him the same flighty irrational jerk as the rest of the Wonderlanders

I'm glad you pointed out the 2010s live-action AiW being more of a separate adaptation than a live-action remake. I see it grouped in as one of those a lot.

Yeah, I don't blame anyone for not really getting into Once Upon a Time.

Honestly, Ken Page playing two very, very different kinds of Disney baddies with extremely similar motives really amazes me. Oh, btw, he's also the cannibalistic monster Oogie Boogie to those who are gonna ask in the comments after reading this.

What’s especially crazy about the renewed interest Alice went through is that it happened in the 60s when LSD of all things became popular. Imagine watching Alice while high as a kite on acid

I'm surprised you even included the Walrus and the Carpenter as villains, though I can see why in retrospect with both the film, the original book, and other adaptations. Plus on a little fun fact you've overlooked: While the Walrus doesn't appear in the Tim Burton film, he does make a cameo as a portrait in one of the Queen's rooms. Same with the Mock Turtle and Gryphon. Same goes with the deleted song "I'm Odd", the closest to a villain song along with "Beware the Jabberwock." Also funny how like Stromboli and later Kaa, the Cheshire Cat was another character that wasn't a villain in the book, turned into a villain.

I feel like most of the characters in Alice in Wonderland are obstacles for Alice and The Queen of Hearts is the true villain.

Before, i didn't even think of Cheshire as a villain, but now I see it. He's literally the reason that Alice got tried.

Wow, the fact that the bats warn Alice and she threatens them with Dina reminds me of how in the book Alice is thinking about Dina falling with her and thinking that there’s no rats but Dina might be able to catch a bat, and going into “do cats eat bats/do bats eat cats.”

When I was a kid I always hated those flowers in Alice in wonderland. I hated the fact they jumped straight to the fact that Alice was a weed... Like wouldn't they have guessed that she wasn't a weed since Alice looks NOTHING LIKE A WEED. I'm pretty if you didn't want a weed in your garden, you'd be pretty familiarised by them. I especially hated that lavender, violet, whatever flower that purple one was with the glasses because she was quick to call Alice a weed. I always wanted to pluck them slowly out of the ground just because I hated them so much.

When I was a kid, I thought the Carpenter was a seafood chef. At that I time I didn't see Alice In Wonderland from start to finish and much of the clips showing the Carpenter like in the DTV music videos made him seem like a seafood chef in the way he prepares the food for the Walrus and the Oysters, and his attire looked more like that a seafood chef/server than a carpenter. My uncle's a carpenter and I'd never seen him wear a white apron and what looks like a paper hat. Have you? The only thing he did that was even remotely carpentry was building that shack or whatever you wanna call it.

The Cheshire Cat actually had a cut song from the 1951 movie called I'm Odd.

The Cheshire Cat is one of my favorite Disney characters.

This movie stressed me out as a kid (and, lol, let's be honest, even as an adult!!!) because everyone is SO MEAN to Alice! Top Shelf work (as always), and let me know if you or want resources for the Peter Pan video!

The queen accused child of "stealing her heart"? sounds to me like it's the queen who should be on trial (yeh,I know what the actual context is, but out of context it just sounds so hilariously wrong)

Queen of Hearts remains one of my favorite Disney villains solely because of her constant want to lose her temper. Compare that to many other Disney villains who are calm and collective during most of their screentime in their respective movies.

I like how the walrus and the carpenter are some of the few villains to never harm the main protagonist

Excellent video! I think "Alice" concept art is my favorite out of all the Disney productions; there's some great variety throughout the years.

I so do wish the Jabberwocky scene made it in it would have been so creepy and then hilarious 😂

18:34 Having the voice of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum voice all of the characters in the story that those characters are telling Alice is such a great detail that I did not know until watching this video.

Slight thing that you forgot to mention in the 358/2 Days manga: the Queen of Hearts ends up falling in love with Luxord after he charms her and uses his cards to build her a new house. It's honestly one of my favorite segments of the entire manga.

Another time the cat seems to be subtly leading people to trouble for his amusement was in kh 1 ,after alice dissappears ,before the gang can leave wonderland the cat leads them on an wild goose chase to find the key hole by turning on the lights in the round room...all this does is summon the second boss (or 3rd/4th depending on the order you play surten worlds) trick Master, after said battle, the talking door was coincidently awakened by the noise and yawns reveling the key hole...the cat trys to role with it pretending this was his plan all along. he does this again with roxas (in kh 359/2 days) , but at least this time around roxas was actually looking for the heartless, this one know as twin pranksters.

It could honestly be really easy to call everybody in Wonderland a villain.

Next time you do the Peter Pan one make sure you put in "a good pirate never steals another persons property" 'cause it's the funniest **** I've ever seen.

Here in Dorset, there's an Alice in Wonderland theme park (that's since been revamped to include a jungle themed area) and I still have fond memories of it. Also in the KH Manga, Luxord actually charms the queen by making her a castle made of cards when it starts to rain.

There’s also an Alice in Wonderland Maze in Shanghai Disneyland’s Fantasyland. It’s based on the live action Alice films instead of the 1953 animated one like Alice’s Curious Labyrinth in Disneyland Paris.

Once you get all the way up to Raya, it would be interesting to point out that by the time the movie came out, many, many people saw Disney themselves as evil for stuff like the Uiyghr controversy.

I totally agree about the Cheshire Cat and I cannot wait for the Jungle Book episode

I just want to say that this channel is absolutely wonderful. So well researched, and delivered. This villain series specifically is always one of my most anticipated KZfaq series. Thanks for the great work! :)

A year late, but you forgot to mention The King of Hearts' appearance during Tokyo Disneyland's 30th Anniversary Parade "Happiness is Here" and the "Dreaming Up! Parade" for the park's 35th Anniversary.

I’m surprised you didn’t bring up how odd it was that the dodo was used as one of the bosses in Mickey Mousecapade despite not really being a villain

The Carpenter appeared on "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland" played by John Prowse. He appeared in only one episode.

I've never actually looked into the stories or the movie other than a few, but it's definitely a fun warehouse. I think the The Jungle Book villains and their actual motives would be interesting, since some is just instinct, protection, or interest.

NEVER MIND ALL THAT! Get to the part where I lose my temper.

Man, Dan hall's version of the story was early dark disney stuff. I think it was softened after the war because people wanted to think of nicer things after a war decade. But seriously this movie, and Peter pan I notice had darker iterations that could have had different reactions to the public if released back then an again were delayed due to the war. Also its interesting how disney made a blowhard in the book into an actual threat.

Oh, you think Once Upon a Time is confusing if you haven't watched it? I have watched it and believe me, it STILL is confusing.

My favorite part of the Disney animated version (and part of this is because I saw it on Disney Channel back when it was traditionally aired on Easter on Disney Channel) is how all the visuals get momentarily desaturated the moment that the "mad" watch gets smashed.

For the Queen of Hearts' personality, I imagine that the animators just split the difference between funny and threatening.

That prosthetic make-up that Ken Page wore for his Walrus role looks incredible for its time.

ITS FINALLY UP! 😄 I’ve been waiting for this video to drop all week! Alive in Wonderland is one of my favorites!

For the wonderland comic I like how they actually reference the other cards suits because I think it’s kind of weird that the queen of hearts has spades clubs and diamonds working for her also I’m guessing Peter Pan is going to take a lot longer mostly because this is the first Series do you have a connection to The movie and not just the reimagining and I’m guessing you’re gonna have to pick and choose which villains from Jake and the Neverland Pirates you want to use also I think there’s going to be a new Disney Junior show based on hours in wonderland

Came for Adventures in Wonderland, wasn't disappointed. Thanks. The David hall Leica Reel is fascinating so I'm glad you mentioned it.

I never liked "The Walrus & The Carpenter" part nor the two characters in general. I usually skip their part. I do enjoy the Queen & King of Hearts, as well as the Cheshire Cat (even though he's more of a neutral character & trouble maker than a villain).

The Alice books were (and are) two of my favorites. Thank you for this amazing retrospect!

I just finished making two stained glass cheshire cats. They were done using an antique Disney pattern done in partnership with a German glass pattern maker. One I did in more Disney like colours using an antique lavander irridescent glass and a darker purple water glass and the other I did in a tim burton style with a streaky teal glass and an irridescent grey.

Interesting thing I noticed was that the song the Cheshire Cat sings is actually the first verse of "The Jabberwocky"

8:46: No one brings up why Alice shrunk, so I'll give the explanation: Alice ate both pieces of the Mushroom, one that grows and one that shrinks, not realizing that having to eat both of them would result in the shrinking effects take hold soon after.

I read on Wikipedia years ago that the flowers were considered villains. Given that they rudely boot Alice from the garden after accusing her of being a "weed".

And also you forgot to include MOBILE GAMES in the Video game section since both the Queen and Cheshire Cat are welcomed characters in Disney Magic Kingdoms during the Alice in Wonderland event

Dude you used background music from Theme Park World on PS1! Mad props! :D

This was impressively comprehensive actually, really enjoyed it, appreciate your work for sure.

You know, Mike Matei's video on Carl Barks got be intrigued at a young age, but your videos talking about Yellowbeak and the Mickey Mouse Comic Strip and those weird crossovers that used to always happen really sealed the deal in making me finally check them out and start reading them. I gotta say, I like 'em. I've only read two Captain Hook stories so far, but I can't help but notice that in them Hook's right hand man Smee is strangely different, like he was always on the bad guy's side but in the comics I've seen he seems just as evil as Hook and follows his orders without making any mistakes, is that how he always is in the comics?

Hopefully by Maleficent you’ll cover the books like A Twisted Tale, A Tale Of, and Kingdom Keepers. Hook appeared in all of them except A Tale Of.

I love all these retrospectives, thank you for all the effort you put in. Your channel is truly wonderful. There is also a Alice in Wonderland ride in Blackpool pleasure beach in the UK, I believe it is the oldest ride in the park and has always been on of my favourites. There is a particularly cool part where it seems like you are upside down and also you transport for the ride is a Cheshire cat! Xx

I FREAKING KNEW IT! I KNEW THE KH MANGA GAVE THE CHESHIRE CAT A MORE ANTAGONISTIC ROLE!

I swear this is one of your most enjoyable and fun series that I watch and enjoy! Actually your entire content is so we'll edited and enjoyable to watch ❤️❤️ Please keep up the good work! :)

Just found this channel, and I love it! Working my way through this series on Disney villains has been very entertaining and fascinating. I'm very much looking forward to when you one day do a video about Professor Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective. It's my favorite Disney movie, I don't think it gets enough attention, and I think Ratigan is a very interesting villain.

I'm glad that you mentioned the Wonderland comic with Mary Ann, but I'm disappointed you didn't go into more detail. It's a pretty fascinating comic. For instance, we get to see the other card queens (well, one other; the Queen of Hearts tricked the other two into murdering each other). Plus, the Cheshire Cat shows himself to be more of a villain: he tricks the White Rabbit into reciting the Jabberwock poem (which naturally summons the vicious Jabberwock), and he tries to seize control of Wonderland in the finale.

Another gear episode of this lookback. Looking forward to captain hook

I’m surprise that Twisted Wonderland wasn’t feature in this video as this Japanese mobile game is own by Disney. Of course, since this video got release on 2021, the game was only in Japanese. But now in 2022, it got released in English!

I hope this series never ends i love this history

I love that concept art so much. This channel is so good, i always learn something cool.

I think the most wholesome thing about the Mangá version of Wonderland is that Luxord helped rebuilding the Queen's castle and she fell in love with him. I dunno, that was pretty cool

Excellent and thorough research, as always!

Great job as always! Looking forward to the next edition in Never land!

One thing that I really like about the jabberwocky is that Disney planned to make a song in the movie called beware the jabberwock. The song is really catchy

25:05 Sora, Donald, and Goofy counter goes up (reference to NicoB's LP of KH)

I can’t say how much a love the Wonderland villains and Lewis Carol books in general ♦️♣️♠️♥️ #OFFWITHYOURHEAD

Did you do the voice for Alice and the Carpenter when showing that Looking-Glass comic? I really enjoyed their banter.

This was alot of fun to watch! Thanks.

That ending made me smile! Great job! Thank You! :D!

I'm very impressed with all the research you did for these videos, Colin. You really outdid yourself. And good observations on the similarities between the Walrus and the Carpenter and Foulfellow and Gideon.

I’m looking forward for more Disney villains 🦹‍♀️ starting with Peter Pan

Another villain duo that can be compared to Foulfellow and Gideon are Gonzorgo and Rodrigo from Babes in Toyland. One does all the talking and the other is literally seen but not heard.

If I remember correctly.... The Walrus and the Carpenter were supposedly analogous to a Incident in London. Where a Dock yard was constructed by some worker/laborers/carpenter's, on the promise of "Pearls" or oysters from the profits of said dock yard... By some upper crust wealthy type, walrus proxy. Only to it eventually come out that the Walruses have Eaten up the whole profit. Or something like that.

Tell me I'm not the only one who thought the Queen of Hearts was the mother of Fred Flintstone? I mean he does look enough like her to be her son, although I never suspected the King of Hearts was Flintstone's dad. Hey, Stone is a bastard surname in George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, given to bastards born in the Kingdom of the Vale, maybe Bedrock followed that logic, or illogic if in Wonderland.

The Walrus appears to have had his character and design based on a very old black and white film version of several O. Henry stories. I cannot recall the name of the story or the film. The actor was a large character actor portraying a bum who intended to get himself arrested in order to go back to jail for free room and board. He continually was thwarted in this by people trying to be kindly to him. In the end, he went to church and had a complete change of heart, announcing he was going to walk the straight and narrow from then on, only to then he arrested for a trifling crime, where the judge threw the book at him.

Such a good series keep it up 👍

I agree that the Tim Burton Alice in Wonderlands don't really count for the live action remakes. They aren't a remake of the animated film, they're just from the same source material. Also, I really liked Once Upon a Time in Wonderland but I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority on that one. *SHRUG*

The walrus and the carpenter absolutely horrified me as a kid. Lol like, I don’t know know why I found that scene so terrifying but I did.