oh no

Late as hell to the party, but thanks for the kind words and the shout-out.

“Sonic truly understands the meaning of war...” is the most mind bending sentence to ever be written seriously

Remember that time when Tails hesitated to JFK Robotnik?

You missed the 'best' detail in Sonic Live!: They were too cheap to buy and too lazy to borrow a Genesis, so there's no console in any of the photos and indeed the 'controller' the boy is using is obviously a TV remote turned sideways.

My favorite part of the early Sonic Comics were small little boxes in the corners of the front page, with my favorite one being Robotnik in the corner box and saying "Today the corner box, and tomorrow the world!"

so cybershell is finally dead. after all these years. its technically not dead but on an indefinite hiatus .

"Last night I dreamt I was engaged to a red echidna named--" "Knuckles?" "Yes how did you know?" "I had the same dream" I know it's not what they meant but I just fucking laughed out loud at the idea of Sonic having a dream where he marries Knuckles

Ken Penders, congratulations you are one of the only artists who's work actually makes me wanna throw up.

I drew that Sonic CD picture in the Sonic Live issue. I was like 16 at the time. They also messed up and put & Kitty beside my name, probably cuz I had my middle name spelt in Japanese.

Ken Penders is the embodiment of deviant art OC cringe.

"Pay attention to Ian Flynn" and "pay attention to Tyson Hesse" one's written the story for Sonic Frontiers and the other's been hired as character design lead for the Sonic movies. We're lucky to have them.

I think something bad is happening to Archie, first Mega Man and now Sonic.

Two issues I'LL never forget are Issues 175 and 200. The former in a nutshell, Dr. Eggman wins. He just straight up wins. He ambushed Knothole, destroys EVERYTHING and Snively captures everyone but Sonic(and Tails, Knuckles, and Amy) so that Eggman can defeat him personally, and he does. Sonic gets straight up thrashed, and even pulling off one of his most impressive speed feats ever, complete with a badass line(Limit!? I'VE GOT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT HERE!) he still gets knocked into the dirt. The latter is actually the first Sonic Comic I ever read(not counting the one in Mega Collection plus), and it's glorious. In the aftermath of 175, the following issues had sonic and company make the biggest comeback yet, and when Eggman was defeated after Sonic recovered from his brutal ass-kicking, he slowly started descending into madness, and his constant strings of defeat weren't helping. When Sonic beat him in THIS issue, bringing their war to an end, the Eggman cracks and he has a mental breakdown and the issue ends with Eggman in a straightjacket.

I remember going to an antique shop with my grandparents and mom when I was 14. I was a huge Sonic fan, but never knew about the comics. Then I discovered a stack of about 50 of these for 10 bucks. My mom got them and I read and reread them religiously that year - it helped me get through the awkward age of 14 and I'll love these comics forever for that.

The Ian Flynn run was probably the best the Archie comic got. Ken Penders had his moments when he wasn't being creepy, weird, or egotistical, but it was usually either him or Karl Bollers responsible for some of the worst story stuff to happen in the comic. The first year or two solid of Flynn's run on the comic was basically cleaning up the Penders/Bollers mess. And actually managing not to let Sega's increased meddling and increasingly oppressive mandate from ruining the comic. Ultimately it was Penders' lawsuit that killed the comic, since it was basically that and Archie's own financial woes that got the comic ended. I haven't ready much of the IDW comic yet, but I hear Flynn did a phenomenal job getting its lore up and going before he departed *that* comic. I'm always delighted when I hear how pissed off Ken Penders is that he's pretty much blacklisted from the industry and very few people give a crap about his attempt to continue his awful Lara-Su comic since he doesn't even have the Sonic license to base his work on anymore.

The main thing I hate about the comic getting cancelled is that the spinoff comic Sonic Mega Drive with art by Tyson Hesse will never be finished. It was great, best thing out of the Sonic Archie comics in ages.

Are you kidding? Sonic did the Council of Ricks before Rick and Morty

2:26 Tails: “Sonic I don’t like that look of that face” Sonic: “I don’t much like the look of your face, am I complaining?” TAILS GOT ROASTED

"'A dragon's spoken word is fact', confirms Knuckles" kills me every fucking time lol

Do you ever think Sonic just ever thinks "Man, I miss old Robotnik?". I think that should've been touched up on in the comics. A reflection on the different relationships between Robotniks and Sonic. It just feels so weird that Robo Robotnik integrated himself so well into continuity and he's just sort of a carbon copy of Robotnik.

is that tails WITH A FUCKING GUN trying to kill robotnik AND A FUCKING UNICORN HUMAN BEING TELLS TAILS TO PULL THE TRIGGER? w h a t

1:44 so Tails received a gun before Shadow? Wow

0:01 "The Sonic Comic is finally dead." 1 year later: *Making the IDW comics*

I still love archie silvers story; he searches traitor who destroyed freedom fighters for his whole life.he finally finds it and goes back in time to tell sonic,sonic beats him up and tells "traitor"(antonie) sacrificed his life to save king and quenn from eggmans lazer.thus disambbling freedom fighters

Playing overwatch while listening to the audio of this I heard IT'S HIGH NOON and I actually get scared

you know, ken penders kind of looks like eggman.

Me: *Please don´t talk about Ken Penders, please ignore that please please please* -Ken Penders and the Lara Su Chronicles *Oh boy... at least he might not know that Ken did the sonic live-* -Sonic Live is... *Crap...*

*Listens to the stuff about Ken Penders* ... My god. This must be the most financially successful bad fanfic writer in existence.

Fun fact: Dawn Best, one of the artists who drew for this comic, is also the creator of Rouge the Bat. True story.

I love that in the background with all the comics, at 12:20 one of them is literally just Sonic and the Secret Rings

I will always grieve the loss of the fantastic backgrounds the comics gave to Espio and Silver. 😢 Silver's story didn't even get resolved in the end. It's just tragic.

The irony here is that, if you take copyright and fair use laws into account, things would have worked out much better for both Archie AND Penders if he'd never gotten the job there to begin with. He could have made his crappy Lara-Su stuff unimpeded (and much sooner) since original characters can't be claimed by Sega or Archie's copyright, and Archie wouldn't have been forced to reboot the whole mythos in his absence. So in retrospect, one SINGLE act of nepotism screwed this whole comic over.

Fun Fact: The Endgame Saga was originally going to be the End of the Comics, and according to Ian Flynn Part 4 of Endgame was going to be twice as big.

Honestly, I really loved the fact that the Archie series had its own canon and world separate from the games. I mean why would I want to read a comic version of a game's story when I could just play it? I liked that the series had its own unique flavor of storytelling that you just couldn't get in your average Sonic game. I get that seeing lots of comic-exclusive characters would probably be a turn-off to a lot of game fans. I really get it. But to me, having those characters didn't turn me off of it- it actually did the opposite! It intrigued me even more as I wanted to find out just who they were and how they fit in with the game characters. I'll explain. My first issue was #140, Return to Angel Island Part 3. As you can probably imagine, I opened it up and saw like 20 characters I had never seen before and knew nothing about. Knuckles had a family?! What was going on here?! What's the Dark Legion?! Who's General Kage?! I see Eggman, but who's that weird lady right next to him?! And who's this "Hunter" guy at the end!? However, instead of being turned-off by all the unfamiliarity... I was actually quite intrigued by it! I wanted to know what was going on and who those unfamiliar characters were. I can see how it would be a turn-off to many people, but I really was on board with it. I felt like this new and unexplored universe was like a birthday present that I could slowly unwrap as the issues went on, deciphering the chronology of events and figuring out just who all of these unfamiliar characters were and how they related to each other. So yeah, I guess I had a pretty different reaction to reading the comic as a lot of other Sonic fans did.

13:08 yo definitely my favorite comic was "Sonic and the secret rings" for the wii

also Ken Panders is the devil. he sounds like a devianart artist that got way too much power.

it figures it would be uncerimoniously cancelled

Can we talk about how weird this comic was? Like I love it, I own quite a bit, but it got so... off. I remember when Tails fought Sonic because sonic dated his ex or something, and like... what?

Knuckles Mom: "Honey, don't microwave the baby." Knuckles Dad: "...>:)"

Sonic Comic in a nutshell: but then it got weirder.

Wow! You know, I always hated the Genesis Wave. I just couldn't undrestand what the fuck Archie Comics would want to reset everything, after they when through all that work, developing the character's personalities and and relation ships... Now I know the REAL reason why!... This Ken Penders should be lynched by his BALLS!

The Sonic Comics were absolutely batshit insane. Disappointed you never mentioned the Xorda, buff Tails, or the time they made an even edgier version of Shadow.

"Aw man, now everything we love that left a legacy is ending.." IDW: "Sup B" "I will now put my faith in you"

With it's high and low points, the Sonic Archie comic was great while it lasted, and it's a real shame to see it go. To be fair though, it wasn't just Ken Penders alone that killed the comic (as most have been led to believe), because Sega themselves had an hand in it's slow demise as well. You see, over time, Sega continuously passed notes down as to what could and couldn't be done. They were very restrictive as to how the official characters were depicted, and tried as hard to make the comics more and more like the games in tone and style while removing creative control from the writers. Not to mention Sega slowly destroyed the comic's roots and intended on erasing any connection to the SatAM cartoon completely because it didn't fit their vision of the franchise, a trend which was amplified tenfold after the Super Genesis Wave event. This was combined with a massive decline in sales after the reboot, as well as internal politics on Archie's side of things in the fact that they too wanted to get rid of the comic along with Sega, especially since Archie wanted to focus more on their homegrown titles, much like Marvel did in the 90's when they sold off their comic licenses to other companies. So when you really narrow things down, the Archie comic had everything going against it, so there's not simply one source for the cause of the comic's demise, but several different factors that contributed to it.

man. my interest in the comic started waning after #50, i'd pick up an issue sporadically and then be all confused and shit. that endgame arc fucked me up as a kid tho, like damn. i think i've still got all my comics laying around somewhere, actually...

13:35 i love how in the background to the right, there's just randomly sonic and the secret rings amongst all the actual comics

Idk how I feel about a kingdom of fursonas being called knothole

I vividly remember Reading one of the Issues where it was a filler issue. I remember the plot being that The freedom fighters (Except Sonic) Had some Robotniks McDonalds style fast food, then they got sick. thus sonic had to go INSIDE them to fight off the illness for them. is was fucking bizzare.

fleetway Sonic is so weird

I can't believe you just casually showed the "Alone on a Friday night?" panel and did nothing with it

Well I was very sad on the verge of crying and felt like absolute garbage when I saw the thumbnail for this video and just started laughing hysterically so thanks for that cybershell

Wow. Never have I seen a creepier person, in both form and personality, than Ken Penders.

"Cries in tears" Archie whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy IDW obtains the license "Oh ok"

I always wished that there was a quality game based on the Archie Comics Sonic universe. Something kind of like Jak 2 with Sonic exploring a hub world and getting missions from freedom fighter characters to complete missions in and around Robotropolis.

Anyone else here from Oneyplays today?

Spaz And Tracy were probably my favorite artists

i should be sleeping but fuck it i'll watchthis video instead.

I read from 172 to 243. So many amazing memories, these comics we're my childhood.

British people who havent had a sonic comic since 2000: Bah

Yoshikage Kira just wants to live a quiet life

Such a damn shame, really. The Archie Sonic Comics are what pretty much inspired me to begin drawing and creating characters, all the way back when I got my first issue - Issue #173 - from my grandmother after she saw it at a yard sale. I remember kinda drifting away from the Sonic franchise as a whole two or three years ago, but I still have all the comics I collected over the years. Seeing this news really just hurts.

Therapist: "Jacked Sonic isn't real it can't hurt you" Jacked Sonic: 5:28

11:36 *HOLD THE ONIONS*

I want them to release all the comics in big easy to manage books. They had a few last time I looked but vast quantities were missing. I'll assume that they didn't expect me to maintain a subscription for the last 25 years to get them all.

125 was actually the point when an evil alien race I forgot the name of was trying to wipe the world off the face of the galaxy, and Sonic wound up powering a warp-weapon to use against them by running really fast. The story ended with Sonic being warped to the galaxy that the alien race came from after the weapon successfully worked, and the next bunch of issues revolved around him finding a way back home.

Endgame, suck it Avengers Sonic did it first!

And farewell to you, Cybershell.

Even if IDW does pick up the comic, there's no guarantee the FF will come back, esp. considering the fact that Ian Flynn had to fight Sega to keep the Freedom Fighters in the series after the reboot I think our Sonic SatAM crew is officially dead..... :'/

after hearing about all this stuff about ken panders.....i wonder if chris-chan worships him since he aint to far off from ken panders

Wow, what a rabbit hole. I think I read every single one of those right up to around the same time you quit on it too.

I remember reading the whole ixis naugus arc and the time when they actually killed eggman

So Kids, if you get sucked into the TV, don't forget Up, Down, Left, Right, A+Start!

Hopefully Sega snatches the SatAM cast and all the Mobius stuff for themselves so that there's at least hope the comic sorta continues under different people.

Even tho I have never read the comic (and I probably never will), I somehow really enjoy this video and the way you present it, not as a critic but just as a sonic fan. It feels really refreshing to see someone on youtube not criticize the stuff they're talking about and just like the stuff and wants to talk about it, this applies to most of your videos but I wanted to comment on this one because I keep rewatching it a couple of times a year.

4:42 Sonic The Hedgehog:Into The Sonic-Verse Comic

I personally loved all the issues that involved Nathaniel Morgan, he was a pretty solid character. Also #FuckKenPenders

Unlike Mega Man, Sonic is an active properly, and Sega seems to be doing right by Sonic lately. Someone will pick up the license eventually. As much as it saddens me to see this go, and that it didn't get a proper ending, I am excited to see a potential fresh start for this series.

"A lot of really talented people have worked on this over the years. Like pay attention to what Ian Flynn works on in the future." My guy knew all this time. I'm super happy for the dude and he is finally a huge part of the actual games :D

You put sonic and the secret rings in the background! You THOUGHT I wouldn’t notice!

"Overly long rambling"? Nonsense, you really went in-depth about some of the issues, and you are still internet comedy gold. I love your content, so keep it up.

Your Mona Lisa Jack-Off argument was surprisingly refreshing and compelling.

i just realized sonic has 1 blue arm in the thumbnail. im not a blue arm obsessor but *mismatched* arms is another story

Sonic in the thumbnail can easily be replaced by Cybershell

You know what the worst part is? THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET TO ISSUE 300! That would've been huge for a licensed comic book series. I don't think Ken Penders is entirely to blame for this either. Both Sega and Archie are in the red considering that it's Sega who decided not to remind Archie that their contract was starting to expire, and that Archie wants to now only focus on their company's namesake.

Not only one the longest-running comic series based on a videogame character, but also one of the best in general. Even if I didn't read much of it, I'm entirely sad to see it go. R.I.P. Comic Sonic. Also, screw Ken Penders, that slimy, talentless hack.

12:00 All of the comic covers in the background, and then fucking sonic and the secret rings from the wii appears in the right corner like bro.

Ok this is unrelated with this video but, the sonic comics started a day after Sonic 2 released because Sonic 2 was released on 11/21/92 literally search it up

5:27 There’s a dimension where Sonic accepted Knuckles’ steroids

What, seriously? They're cancelling it? Even with all the shit that's happening in the books now? FUCK.

32:56 my eyes it burns ahhhhhh

I remember my dad buying me one of the earliest sonic comics when I was a kid and then buying them monthly at my local party store good memories.

Wow, never knew the Sonic comics had the same continuity for so long. I always read random issues but now I'll start from the beginning because it looks freaking awesome lol

35:19. Hey look! Sanic and Solly!

this video brought back memories. I knew I had read a few Sonic comics when I was a young kid as I remember my letter being published in one, but seeing the Mecha Sonic and Knuckles issues over again was a burst of sudden nostalgia and memory. That art is timeless.

No other joy compares to seeing cover art by Spaz with the inside art by Tracy Yardley

Goodbye, Sonic Comics. I hardly knew ye.

RIP Hershey the Cat

With how much of a shitshow the whole ken penders ordeal was, I wouldnt be surprised if Archie intentionally "lost" those documents to justify hitting the cosmic reset button.

The one story you couldn’t tell was Penders's infamous tweet. The tweet is getting old, but this video was faster on the draw in that department.