My three year old can take apart a Glock better than the ATF guy.

my three legged blind dog can take apart a Glock better than an ATF guy

ATF "Expert"

No ATF person is a real gun person.

That’s not exactly a high bench mark

Mech Tech Systems here in the US has made something similar for Glock, XD/XDm and 1911 handguns for at least 20 years. The Norlite is much nicer, though, as the Mech Tech uppers are basic tube style straight blowback, and don't have many of the features that the Norlite does. Having the Norlite imported would be nice, but I do agree that something like this would be right in Palmetto State Armory's wheelhouse.

I love the micro roni system.

@@daleford8621 A lot of people do, but it's just not for me.

@@ashfield4313 that's cool. I like other systems too. I always like to see what new stuff comes out.

​@@terryfaugno9242Yeah, but you forgot to mention that this one cost 3 times more than the Mech Tech Systems. Besides, I like it more MT for developing hot loads due to the simple, yet very effective recoil system. I had the 1911 one in .460 Rowland and I pass long the 15% above the security loads and only stops when the brand-new brass starts ejects cracked at the first shot (I never use one-shots or worse to develop hot loads). I'm talking 2004 aprox, when the .460 Roland was still a wildcat so, I had to do my loads almost blindly, and the MT CCU was awesome for that. Seeing this one, I don't think that could take the same amount of punish that I put in the MT CCU. And I already mention that you can get 3 MT CCU's for the price of this one. And I don't event talk about the easiness and quickness of assembly. Sorry for my English is not my main language.

Gut zu wissen!

Guter Mann! Bin dank Jörg Sprave auf den VDB aufmerksam geworden, und nun Unterstützer. Endlich eine Lobby mit Eiern gegen die Extremisten und Anti-Demokraten wie Nancy Faeser.

The "carbine" kits are probably gimmicky in the US but they fill quite a specific role outside of it. Most countries don't have a silly definition of a rifle vs handgun and it's often based on caliber and actual intent. Then many countries also limit how many firearms you can have as each firearm would often need to be licenses separately so these kits are quite important. In the US these are not only mostly a gimmick but one that easily could lead to someone running afoul of the NFA as well as possibly creating problems down the line and poisoning the supply chain as a rifle cannot be converted legally back into a pistol.

@@DOGMA1138 Don't need to tell me twice about daft gun laws, I'm British lol

@@DOGMA1138 If it started life as a pistol, you can convert it to a rifle and back again, no problem, as long as you abide by the required barrel length and overall length.

It's only gimmicky if they make it a gimmick. This looks like a very well made, well engineered conversion system.

Nah...it's still gimmicky

If it didn’t cost more than just buying a standalone pcc is would be a major hit here in the states Im sure. As it stands, hard to justify when we (at least most places) don’t have a limit on the number of firearms we can own or need a license for each one, so you might as well just buy a full gun instead.

​@@Andrew_182But does a new PCC have a trigger as good as the Shadow 2? The acquired familiarity with the grip and the trigger may be an advantage over a new complete PCC.

⁠@@jeffersondaviszombie2734I mean, you can easily drop a geissele or larue trigger into an AR-9. And I’d have to imagine there are tuning/upgrade options for other platforms too if you’re worried about it. And while familiarity with the grip and trigger is beneficial, it’s also something that can be easily gained with another setup by just using it. Like I said this thing is cool. And I don’t doubt there are some here who would spring for it over other options (or just to have it in the collection). But it doesn’t make as much sense here as it does in places that have the restrictions this was designed to address when you can buy a complete PCC for much less here. ETA - while the price is 1500 euro (roughly $1650 converted) over there, *if* it were imported into the US, the price would very likely be even higher to offset the import fees and such. There are A LOT of other options other there for ~$2000 or less.

@@Andrew_182 yeah, you're right. The only way this makes sense is if you're limited in the number of firearms you are allowed to own.

@@Andrew_1821500€ retail price includes VAT, which won't apply to US buyers, so in the end it should be around the $1400 mark (plus import fees). Still I agree with you, it makes more sense for us shooters in Europe with restrictions on the number of guns -- here in France it's 12 category B guns (semi-auto rifles, handguns and most shotguns) ; category C guns (bolt/lever/pump action rifles) you can have as much as you can afford.

That's what they're doing...

@DougsDiggers Yes and no. They’re using components from the rock, but afaik you aren’t going to be able to take the “upper” off the frame of the x57 and put a slide on it and have a rock like you could this with a cz75. You need a cz75 for this to be a functional firearm while the x57 will come as a complete a fully functional stand alone firearm.

@@DougsDiggers No, the X57 is a distinct firearm that has parts commonality with the 57 Rock, not a conversion upper. The same way the Ruger 5.7 carbine doesn't require owning a Ruger 57.

that's certainly how the x57 upper should LOOK imo

Yeah it really should be. It will heavily depend on price though because the 5.7 Rock isn't particularly expensive. If the x57 is also low priced then it may be pretty easy to justify buying both.

You mean "definitely", right?

@@zadtheinhaler thanks

They have been making a Glock version for a couple of years now. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

The system is well received especially in the German market (maybe other European countries, too) where this only counts as an accessory to an existing hand gun. It's not a gun by itself (by German law), so it doesn't fill a slot on your gun permit. And it still counts as a hand gun, not a long gun, so you can use 20-round magazines with no further ado (although admittedly there are stand-alone pccs like the Ruger PC-9 charger that also count as hand guns here)

I have a question though: I thought that everywhere in the EU, all firearm essential components are treated as the complete firearm itself. The essential components being: frames and receivers of all kinds (upper and lower), barrels, bolt carriers and bolts. This matches with the European rules of marking not just one component, but all the essential components of newly manufactured guns. For example, EU-made pistols have to have at least their manufacturer name and serial on the frame, slide and barrel. All this being said, wouldn't this count as an upper receiver and a barrel, both having to be serialized and, thus, treated as essential components, thus needing to follow the same registration and permitting procedure as a complete gun? Or am I living in a particularly North Korean corner of the EU? Because what I described above is what is the case where I live, so I wouldn't be able to just buy an USK without going to the Police first.

​@@jeffersondaviszombie2734It depend, It change state by state. In Italy caliber conversion kits and "normal" chassis are not guns, they are in an ad hoc category with his special paper work. On the other hand, this will probably count as a full gun, because It has both barrel and bolt.

@@M.M.83-U yeah, an (upper) receiver, barrel and bolt... that's a functional gun for all intents and purposes in the EU. I doubt it will be available over-the-counter in many, if any, places in the EU.

@@M.M.83-U In Romania, standard chassis like the Roni are free to buy because they're simply an accessory, but a barrel kit needs to be permitted by the Police pre-sale and then registered on the gun permit. The only difference from an actual gun is that it doesn't count as a separate gun. But that makes little difference because for sporting and hunting purposes there is no gun limit, so the gun count doesn't really matter for most people. The only constraint is that if you have more than 15 guns, you need a security system connected to the Gendarmerie. But there are exceedingly few people going over that limit, so it's more of a theoretical limit for all intents and purposes.

It counts as a conversion kit here in Germany, that means you can go into any gun store and just buy it if you own a matching firearm. Sure, it has to be serialised and to be registered within 2 weeks, but it doesn't count as a firearm and doesn't impact your gun limit. Further more, a bit oversimplified, firearms longer than 60cm count as rifles and are restricted to 10 round mags, conversion kit are excluded, so you can still use 20 round mags an have a rifle length package.

Agreed

7,5brno is basically 30m1 but in a 6in pistol instead of a 16 carbine. So putting 7,5 in a chassis/pcc equals upping the 7,5 to sbr ak performances ... I fail to see the appeal

​@levergatRapha You fail to see the appeal of SBR AK performance in a PCC?

@@lolk4530 1€/$ per round, base gun is 2k min, 1,5k for chassis... Expensive stuff for what a cz bren sbr could do heh?

​​​@@LaughingMan44Another advantage is that you can share ammunition between pistol and rifle (this way they can also share the same magazines and the more used a cartridge is, in theory the cheaper it becomes). Some time ago I had already thought of a way for this to be viable and in my opinion the diameter of the projectile had to be around 7mm, as it can have a range of projectile weights that can work well for rifle ammunition (with spitzer bullet shape, which would lead to a bullet with better aerodynamics and less projectile mass to reach higher speeds) and for pistols (with a hollow point bullet that has more volume and consequently greater mass, which is ideal for pistol ammunition) and for me the simplest solution would be neck-up 5.7x28 mm for a diameter of approximately 7mm (up to 7.35 mm, which would make it a straight wall cartridge)

But it is different in eu, in simple terms this is a gun in eu gun laws because pressure bearing parts are firearms

​@@michall3918it depends on the individual national laws. Broadly speaking this is a system that only works if you add parts of another firearm. Therefore it has the definition of an "swapp system" like an individual ar upper may have and as this dont count into your number of weapons you can own. The idea is that you only have so many weapons simultaniusly so a system that only works when added another gun is not a "full" weapon.

@@uwesca6263 See i didnt know that. There is no such thing where i live.

@@uwesca6263 great addition to my comment, thanks. And yes, that's what i was thinking. I don't know about every european country, but this company and iwa are both in germany, and i know german competitors on international IPSC matches always complain about getting permission for another pistol or rifle, while a new barrel or upper isn't a problem. Must be registered, but doesn't count towards your gun limit.

A lot nicer build quality than Mech Tech, TBH. The inclusion of MLOK vs their proprietary fore end is huge. Mech Tech does cover more brands - Glock, XD/XDm/1911, and calibers - 9MM, .40S&W, 10MM, .45ACP and .45 Super and .460 Rowland, though I think they only do .460 Rowland uppers for 1911s.

It's been developed for the German market, and German shooters usually want really high grade match-quality because they can only buy so many guns (not many by US standards). As far as I understand it, all the barrel options for this system are Lothar Walther match barrels. These are definitely the best barrels in Germany, probably all of Europe.

​@@zee-fr5kwwell thats not true. It aint that expensive. Compared to other sport hobbies. Quite some germans have the buy once cry once mindset. And the shadow 2 is a nearly 2k€ gun. So people who own that have the kind of money to spend.

@@uwesca6263 sooo rich germans. most germans i know can't even afford their electricity bill

@@zee-fr5kw than you know very few germans. In contrast i dont know anyone who cannot afford it. And i live in germany and have many friends from all levels of society.

@@uwesca6263 well you are clearly middle class, therefore hang around people similar socio-economic backgrounds.

Gun laws across countries varies quite lot. Overally only few thumb of rules apply. But to my understanding those limited amount of guns are more middle european thing. Because differences i can only be sure about our own laws. But here in Finland there is no anykind of limitation how many firearms you can have.

Laws vary very wildly across Europe as a whole. There is really quite a huge gradient

@@bower31 I think i should have specified that i meant countries inside of eu region.

Just search for Norlite USK and you can't miss it.

KZfaq has weird rules where you can’t post links to websites that sell guns or gun parts

Just Google the company, it's not rocket science

Exactly what @bentheenigma1913 said ^ It's 2024, Google it.

@@TFBTVShowTimethe question is Can we order them to USA

With an SP01 you can also try a Hera Triarii though not a full upper nor a longer barrel.

It sure does. The 5.7

They also offer three or four different types of barrels for the system, including high-end match-barrels by Lothar Walther. Not to be confused with Carl Walther, his son Lothar also founded a gun company back in the day and they are THE best barrel manufacturers in Germany, probably all of Europe.

It counts as a conversion kit in Germany, so it is legally an accessory to an existing gun, not a gun by itself. It is a regulated item and needs to be registered, but it doesn't count as a gun so you'll still have i.e. five hand guns, while if you were to buy a seperate pcc like the Ruger PC9 charger, you'd now have six hand guns on your permit and the government office might start bugging you about documentation for matches shot with each of your guns and stuff like that. It's always good to have one less "gun" on your permit, even if it's just so you can buy another one.

Thanks for the clarification. Btw, what is the limit of long guns and handguns one can one in DE? With a hunting license, and without a hunting license? Could you share? Danke! @@maximilianmustermann5763

AFAIK if they made a 16", that would count as a long gun/rifle in Germany, so it wouldn't be a conversion kit for a pistol anymore. That would make it much less appealing for the German market (and probably other EU countries, too).

@@maximilianmustermann5763 That's why the preface to that question is about United States availability.

I was wondering the same.

I feel this is a banned item in Canada.

Glock one never came, has been several years. This one wouldn't either, it'd be monstrously unprofitable

He's a great guy. He became vice president of the best German gun lobby group VdB last year and he already spent countless hours of his busy days lobbying for better gun laws in Germany.

@@maximilianmustermann5763 he seems like a great guy doing purposeful work👌🏼