Absolutely agree with this statement, why companies continue to put bottle opener on multitools is beyond me. There are MULTIPLE ways of opening a bottle without a cap lifter but only one way to open a can without a can opener and that is with a knife, a rather dangerous procedure and one I would not attempt in a survival situation. The last thing I want to happen if I am depending on this knife to get me through a rough situation is to wind up with a nast cut and infection and no place to have it treated. Honestly, I would havve picked one of these up had it not been for this oversight.

Genau so sehe ich das auch. Victorinox ist Qualität. Grüße in die Türkei benden çok selam

Ruike

Look for an online retailer specialised in knives that ships to where you live. I'd give you some names but KZfaq seems to auto-delete comments that mention them.

Your best shot is probably knife retailers (which I would recommend anyways when purchasing knives online). Depending on where you live try KnifeCenter, BladeHQ and Knives And Tools. the Ruike LD51-B Trekker (which I own) is a variant of this multitool where the blade has a thumbstud and a liner lock in addition to a strong slipjoint.

Look for an online retailer specialised in knives that ships to where you live. I'd give you some names but KZfaq seems to auto-delete comments that mention them.

@@FR333KSH0W OKKAYYYYYYYKAAYYAYA

Agreed 👍

agree

1) What's wrong with Chinese-manufactured multitools or pocket knives in general? China produces loads of manufactured goods, parts and components used worldwide. I'd be surprised if you didn't own anything that was made there. 2) Ruike uses better materials to manufacture their products than Victorinox does. Sandvik 12C27 heat-treated at 59HRC is superior to 1.4110 steel heat-treated at 56HRC in terms of toughness and edge retention. G10 is a much stronger scale material than the plastic Victorinox uses. Said scales are also applied with screws by Ruike as opposed to glued on by Victorinox. Ruike also provides pocket clips with all their products for carrying comfort which Victorinox does not. Ruike also provides more of their multitool products with liner locks and thumb-studs for one-handed opening and closing and user safety as opposed to Victorinox. 3) Purchasing two multitools, such as the Victorinox Huntsman and Thinker, as opposed to one tool will create an overlap in tools and redundancy of your spending as a result. Furthermore, neither of these particular tools is equipped with pliers or a glass breaker, so in this example, Ruike still comes out on top.

Ha ha, "the trouble is after half an hour or so you’ll want another one" isn't that always the way!

On MY victorinox deluxe tinker, I use the pliers to tighten small things like camera tripods or hold keychain rings, once usted it to grab a broken key inside a keyhole... The awl I used to open holes on a belt or on cardboard to hang signs at a fair

The arguments that are presented in your comment are... entirely fallacious. The products that Ruike provides are quite comparable in price to that of Victorinox if you compare the amount of tools each individual SKU has. Ruike however uses 14c17 steel in their multitools which is not only stainless but is significantly higher in quality in terms of edge retention and toughness. This steel is also heat-treated to a higher hardness which contributes to this steel outclassing that which Victorinox uses. The blade is also thicker along the spine which makes it more suitable as an improvised pry-bar. Unlike most Victorinox's multitools, Ruike has made the clever design decision to position screwdrivers and the awl to fold out along the long part of the multitool, making it easier to use and less likely to fold back in by accident. Ruike also uses G10 for the multitool's scales which is a material that is significantly stronger and more durable than the plastic seen in a lot of Victorninox's SAK's, hence why G10 is a very popular material for knife scales in the knife world. These G10 scales are applied to the multitools with screws meaning that they can be removed for cleaning and lubricating of the tool itself. All of Victorinox's scales are applied in a way where they cannot be conventionally removed by the consumer which makes the consumer unnecessarily reliant on customer service and out rules replacement/aftermarket scales. Unlike Victorinox, Ruike also provides all their multitools and folding knives with pocket clips which makes them easier and more convenient to carry in your pocket which if especially handy if you carry multiple items in the same pocket. The only points on which I can see Victorinox being better than Ruike in their multitools is that Victorinox's knives are easier to sharpen, though this is because the steel is much softer and will therefor dull much quicker, and that Victorinox's tools are significantly lighter than those of Ruike, though this isn't really an issue since the pocket clip nullifies the weight by adding it to your pants which shouldn't be pulled from your legs by 265g, and if they do wear a belt.

Ok, well, to start SAK, use soft steel because it's more resistant to snapping. It doesn't hold an edge every well but is very easy to sharpen. A hardened alloy is brittle and will snap relatively easily. Its likely they had to make things thicker just so they wouldn't snap so easily. A thick blade is not ideal for slicing, and the hardened material is going to be more difficult to restore the edge. I haven't used this particular tool. Perhaps the design and thickness make it more resistant to snapping. I have knives made of the same material, and they snapped. It wasn't the blades fault, I used it outside of its purpose. Harder and thicker doesn't necessarily mean better. There are pros and cons to everything, making them suitable for some purposes and not others. Personally, I find the softer material much more suitable in something like a pocket tool for more than one reason. A hardened material is a much higher risk to causing damage where it wasn't intended. It's meant to be handie, meaning it's probably going to need to be able to handle some abuse without braking. The SAK has been perfected over a long period of time. Just like the steel they use to make them. There are many things they choose over other options for a reason. The SAK is a proven product that lasts a lifetime of everyday use. It would be difficult for another manufacturer to say they make a more durable product. They will do things like make it thicker or use hardened steel. These things often give the illusion that it's better.

@@marktaylor171 Though harder steels are indeed more brittle and prone to chipping and in extreme cases breaking, however the same argument can be made for softer steels in that they are more prone to bending. Especially in the case of Victorinox multitools which usually to sport fairly thin, small blades, they are prone to bend when pressure is applied to them. This becomes especially problematic with folding knives since this can quickly cause the knife to no longer be able to fold back in, rendering the tool defective. When it comes to knives you would typically carry to suit your day-to-day needs, edge retention is the most important quality to best fulfil these needs unless you're going hunting of bush crafting. As a result the overwhelming majority of the pocket knife world chooses steel that features edge retention most prominently. As a result steels such as D2 and Sandvik 14c28n are popular steels for budget knives which are typically heat-treated at 58-60 HRC. In higher-end knives you will find steels such as S30V and S35VN a lot which are typically heat-treated at 60-62 HRC. Steels that are softer and thus more flexible are more suited to tasks wherein the knife is put under a lot of pressure or stress and to combat the knife bending these knives are almost always fixed blades made for bush crafting. A steel that is very popular for bush crafting knives is 1095-carbon steel which is typically heat-treated at 56-57 HRC. Folding knives should be made of hard steel so as they don't dull quickly doing what they're meant to be doing: performing cutting tasks. The only feasible benefit a soft steel on a pocket knife has is that it is easier to sharpen and will not require expensive equipment to get it to hold a good edge. A thin overall blade is only notably beneficial when a very delicate, small cut is required. A blade that is ticker along the edge or spine as compared to a typical Victorinox is no detriment in the overwhelming majority of cutting tasks one might encounter. Though Victorinox is a well-respected and long-standing manufacturer of multitools which have stood the test of time, this is no argument to dismiss any competition out of hand by virtue of not being Victorinox. More durable and time-tested products do exist in the knife world, such as the Buck 119B Special of which the prototype was forged back in 1902 and the buck 110 folding hunter which debuted in 1963. Both of these products are still available in retail today though their many years on the market does not factor into the physical qualities of the product. Buck understands this and whilst sticking true to their legacy products have made steps to produce new models for the EDC, bush crafting and backpacking market. Even then Buck is by no means objectively better at heat-treating steel (don't get me wrong Buck is known for their excellent heat-treatment, but so is Spyderco) or producing better knives overall by pure virtue of their years on the market as a brand. Newer brands on the market have proven themselves capable of competing on the knife market, Ruike being only one example of this for the reasons I have stated in this reply and my previous reply.

Most sak's are made of plastic, that hardly says high quality to me. They do marketing well apparently though.

@@Skobeloff... From what I can tell from this comment section alone it seems that a lot of people favour Victorinox more out of brand loyalty and a lack of knowledge of the knife world rather than actual product quality. For a lot of people Victorinox is the only brand the encounter and recognize in their early life or see in local retail. Victorinox has become a household name which can't be said for many manufacturers in the knife world. I feel this is a big factor in why Victorinox is still as successful as it is and hasn't had to compete as much with other manufacturers such as Ruike.

You said 😏

I wouldn't be too sure look at Leatherman for example

@firet101 Leatherman sucks and has from day one! Shitty steel!

It will compete, won't win!

@@topperboggs214 Sure 🤣

How does the country of origin factor into the performance of the multitool which is the focus of this video? China is home to a good portion of well-respected knife brands on the market today such as WE Knives, CIVIVI (WE's budget brand), Kizer and QSP knife just to name a few. Opposing Chinese production in the knife world is silly and hypocritical since China is responsible for almost a third of all manufactured products produced globally which are undoubtedly present in your day-to-day life.

What's wrong with Ruike producing SAK-style multitools with their approach and execution of the concept? Victorinox does not have some legal or divine right to be the only company to produce this type of multitool. Ruike has taken the concept and has taken it a step further. Ruike uses better materials to manufacture its products than Victorinox does. Sandvik 12C27 heat-treated at 59HRC is superior to 1.4110 steel heat-treated at 56HRC in terms of toughness and edge retention. G10 is a much stronger scale material than the plastic Victorinox uses. Said scales are also applied with screws by Ruike as opposed to glued on by Victorinox. Ruike also provides pocket clips with all their products for carrying comfort which Victorinox does not. Ruike also provides more of their multitool products with liner locks and thumb-studs for one-handed opening and closing and user safety as opposed to Victorinox. Under this line of reasoning, Victorinox is just as, if not more 'guilty', than Ruike is when it comes to producing products based on the concepts introduced to the market by other manufacturers. Victorinox produces plier-based multitools that were introduced to the market by Leatherman. Victorinox produces lockback-folding knives introduced to the market by Buck. When knife companies learn from one another and incorporate concepts into their products from other manufacturers enriches the market as a whole and benefits the consumer. Concepts such as flipper-tabs, liner-locks, thumb-studs, Crossbar-locks being applied by every manufacturer make the knife market better as a whole, and arguing against this does nothing but restrain the range of products available to you as a consumer.

@FR333KSH0W still a copy and not unique. There are a lot of multi tools out there, and some people appreciate the Victorinox quality and history. The last multitool I accidentally ended up with lacked the smoothness of the Victorinox, and the tools did not open easily. I returned it asap. Some people want Swiss Army, not a lookalike.

​@@maryusa8526 Your reply fails to address the arguments I made regarding your initial comment entirely. This last comment further suggests that your preference for products made by Victorinox does not stem from a knowledge of the actual product and its properties, evidenced by your failure to address my argument regarding Ruike's use of higher quality materials, but rather out of brand loyalty. This brand loyalty however does not seem to be founded in knowledge of knives and multitools, since your lack thereof shines through in your point of immediately returning a product because the folding action of the tools was lacking. Every knife enthusiast knows that the first step of basic knife maintenance is to disassemble, clean, and lubricate. I have had to do this myself with new products that operated swimmingly after. Please understand that I'm not trying to be mean or to attack you as a person, but to simply point out the error in having such a narrow view of multitool products founded in baseless brand loyalty. As I have stated before, there is nothing wrong with companies learning from one another taking each other's concepts, and developing them further. Another good example of this is Cold Steel's invention of the Tri-ad lock, which is a greatly improved version of the back-lock introduced to the market by Buck in terms of lock strength and durability. If knife companies were as narrow-minded as the rhetoric displayed in your comments, innovations like this would not take place, and new locking mechanisms, blade steels, blade shapes, and handle materials would be out of the question and the market would be stagnant and limited. This extends to shunning knife manufacturers due to their country of origin and the number of years they have been active in the knife market. A good example of this is WE knives, and their budget brands Civivi and Sencut. Established in 2014, they have made great progress in developing their brand and contributing to the overall knife market. Notably, the Civivi Elementum is one of the most, if not THE most, best-selling budget folding knives on the market today. Do not limit yourself to one brand out of brand loyalty or other baseless limitations, the only person who ends up having less as a result is you.

@@maryusa8526 Your reply fails to address the arguments I made regarding your initial comment entirely. This last comment further suggests that your preference for products made by Victorinox does not stem from a knowledge of the actual product and its properties, evidenced by your inability to address my argument regarding Ruike's use of higher quality materials, but rather out of brand loyalty. Said brand loyalty however does not seem to be founded in knowledge of knives and multitools, since your lack thereof shines through in your point of immediately returning a product because the folding action of the tools was lacking. Every knife enthusiast knows that the first step of basic knife maintenance is to disassemble, clean, and lubricate, this would have likely solved the problem you were experiencing. I have had to do this myself with new products that operated swimmingly after. Please understand that I'm not trying to be mean or to attack you as a person, but to simply point out the error in having such a narrow view of multitool products founded in baseless brand loyalty. As I have stated before, there is nothing wrong with companies learning from one another taking each other's concepts, and developing them further. If knife companies were as narrow-minded as the rhetoric displayed in your comments, innovation on the market would not take place, and new locking mechanisms, blade steels, blade shapes, and handle materials would be out of the question and the market would be stagnant and limited. This extends to shunning knife manufacturers due to their country of origin and the number of years they have been active in the knife market. Do not limit yourself to one brand out of brand loyalty or other baseless limitations, the only person who ends up having less as a result is you.

@@maryusa8526 Your reply does not address the arguments I made regarding your initial comment. This last comment further suggests that your preference for products made by Victorinox does not stem from a knowledge of the actual product and its properties, evidenced by your skipping my argument regarding Ruike's use of higher quality materials, but rather out of brand loyalty. Said brand loyalty however does not seem to be founded in knowledge of knives and multitools, evidenced by you mentioning immediately returning a product because the folding action of the tools was lacking. Everybody familiar with pocketable cutting tools knows that the first step of basic maintenance is to disassemble, clean, and lubricate. I have had to do this myself with new products that operated swimmingly after. As I have stated before, there is nothing wrong with companies learning from one another taking each other's concepts, and developing them further. If companies were as narrow-minded as the rhetoric displayed in your comments, innovation on the market would not take place, and new locking mechanisms, blade steels, blade shapes, and handle materials would be out of the question and the market would be stagnant and limited. This extends to shunning knife manufacturers due to their country of origin and the number of years they have been active in the knife market. Do not limit yourself to one brand out of brand loyalty or other baseless limitations, the only person who ends up having less as a result is you.

What's wrong with Chinese-manufactured multitools or pocket knives in general? China produces loads of manufactured goods, parts, and components used worldwide. I'd be surprised if you didn't own anything that was made there.

Perhaps there were chopsticks but you were too busy inbreeding to notice them?