Oh hi Lotus XD that game was fun! I should have told the Harpy lol

**Lunatic**: - Evil players learn if they are the Lunatic's Minion. If they do, they also learn who the Lunatic is. - Lunatic's who think they are Zombuul's will be woken after they die the first time.

I run a homebrew version of the Huntsman. Huntsman (Townsfolk): Each night*, choose a player: the Damsel, if chosen becomes a not-in-play Townsfolk; a Minion, if chosen, causes you to become drunk. [+the Damsel]

That actually sounds a lot better, I like it a lot.

In your private chats with other players during the day you also need to be mad about them being evil.

@@MrMasterman20 I get that's why it happened, but it seems like a pretty nasty way to run it. The nominations phase is a dedicated part of the day for people to throw around accusations. But apparently a Harpy-mad person can't be allowed to gather information, then present their case at the designated time? I know that every storyteller has agency over madness effects, and the Harpy is new, but I hope this style of Harpy madness doesn't catch on.

@@Hix108They can, but Ponko was claiming a role that exonerated Mark, and never threw any shade at him whatsoever. Patters may have been fine with it if Ponko had just told Caffeine something like "I don't trust Mark, he told me Slayer but he was super cagey about it, and when I told him he was in my pings he seemed way too eager to learn the other ping." (Which would be hilarious if he was convincing, because he would be convincing the poppy-grower demon that the slayer was a minion.)

@@Hix108 Madness is designed to work the whole day, if the mutant goes around and tells people they are an outsider they are also breaking madness. Going around for 7 minutes and saying they are good is about as strong of a madness break as you can do.

@@MrMasterman20 madness is at the Storyteller's discretion. I decided that Ponko was making no effort to suggest in any conversation that Mark was remotely evil, at all. I took that to mean that Ponko wanted Mark dead because THEY made a choice to not say that Mark was evil once in the 8 private minutes they had.

It seems really straightforward to me. Ponko blatantly broke madness

Do you think that happened in this game? Ponko said nothing. Niz voted with a player they should be "mad" is evil. The first is an easy execution. The second is less fair to good, but it might have got the Demon one more day (it didn't, but might have).

@@patters I don't think just the act of voting with someone who you should be "mad" is evil, counts as breaking madness. Plenty of people vote along side evil when they think evil is buying legitimacy with their vote, or similar situations where they have reason to want the nominee dead regardless. However not calling out that they thought Sheeps vote was sus, or at the absolute minimum something like "I think evil is voting on this, but we should still do this....", is still breaking madness. So I thought the executions were valid. Unfortunately it did sound like Niz was about to start saying something like that, right as he was executed. But that's something that happens online due to latency and a lack of body language.

​@@patters Ponko was blatantly breaking. But Niz did something that good players do all the time. But on a more broad point you can see in chat that there were lots of different interpretations of what being mad that someone is evil should look like.

@@Ellie-rx3jt Niz's madness break was certainly less clear cut than Ponko's. It was my attempt as a Storyteller to get the game to final 3 by making the good team worry about an execution on final 4. The game definitely wouldn't have continued if I hadn't, so I gave it a try.