I have to say I experienced the Baptism in the Holy Spirit in 1974. It was powerful and transformational. My love for the Lord, and the Word has never waned but has grown. At 74 I am still on fire for the Trinity. I lived in New Orleans when the Holy Spirit fell on that city and surrounding areas like a tidal wave because of the move of God that fell on that small group of Catholic students up north in the late 60’s (I can’t remember the college name maybe Notre Dame). I had a friend who took me to my first charismatic meeting in 1973. Back then they were held in the priest rectory. I didn’t totally understand what was happening but it was beautiful. Just a handful of people singing and praying and sharing. I never experienced anything wild or emotional ever at any meeting. It took me a whole year to pray and study about it. I remember reading Pat Boon’s book A New Song about he and his family’s experience with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. But When I read the book of Acts about how the Holy Spirit fell upon the 120 souls in the upper room at Pentecost and this is the kicker that Mary, the blessed Mother was there and received the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues I was sold. By that time, a year latter, they held the meetings in the church and every Friday evening a city wide prayer meeting was held at Loyola University and nuns and priests and Catholics packed out the students auditorium. Mass was the most beautiful powerful God filled holy presence that was tangible and visible like a smoke filled the place and was heaven on earth. Most joyous. Everything came alive and reading the Bible all made sense. Seek the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and evidence of tongues. Tongues is a supernatural gift the Holy Spirit gives that is a powerful prayer language and the Holy Spirit prays God’s perfect Will through us. You life your walk will be taken to new life in Him. ❤

Listening to Dr Healy made me emotional .. nothing is impossible with God. Praying for healing for my husband …. To recover from his ailments and in set of confusion and dementia.

Brilliant interview! I am gaining an appreciation for both Matt and Mary now. I am a former Pentecostal and now feeling greatly propelled into the CCR movement somehow, some way. It is going to be very interesting to see where the Lord is going to take me in all this! Never in a million years would I ever have thought I would be where I am in my faith journey, but what a ride as a new convert it has been so far! Praise you and your ways, Jesus. Your will be done, Father. Come, Holy Spirit, we need you!

St. Augustine said, "As there are many stars in the sky, there are different ways to praise God". There is room for all of us in the Catholic Church.

I appreciate the way Matt respectfully pushes back in his interviews these days. It makes these exchanges so much more valuable. It makes them attractive to a much larger audience too.

I couldn’t go to church as a child but have always had the love and direction of the Holy Spirit in my life as I was baptized Catholic as a baby. As an adult attending Mass the whole Trinity is present and there’s not a moment that’s not exciting and filled with the sacred. In experiences with the Holy Spirit I have learned that there needs to be both deep solemn worship of the Lord Jesus and then the joy and happiness that is experienced as children of God.

What an admirable God's woman and God's daugther. I am really touched by the clarity and humility that she communicates in her manner to be.

I so enjoyed this conversation about charismatic renewal. Beautiful explanations by Dr. Healy.

Deception always comes as something pleasurable

I attended a life in the spirit seminar a few years ago and it really changed my life.

This was an incredible interview. Thank you so much to everyone who made this happen. It was spiritually enriching to watch

I feel very emotional at Mass and often cry while praying the Rosary and reading Scripture. God is alive! He wants to LIVE THROUGH US!!! This was great, thank you Matt and Mary. ❤🙏🏼❤️

Thanks for this. Dr. Healy speaks so much sense. I loved her prayer. It's wonderful to know that Jesus is alive today and working in the Church, in the hearts of God's children. Praise the Lord!

as a new convert, what drew me to the catholic church was traditional, traditional morals and history of teaching spanning 1000s of years. It tires me living in a world that praises new, modern, ,move on, forget the past, experiment, do it different. The church service is a time for me to concentrate on one thing, it then allows me to sort out all the other things in the crazy world. I loved dance music as a kid but dont want that being played while i concentrate on the one simple thing. im afraid Dr Mary this sounds like a new church, I want the old to keep me focused as the new world made me loose my focus.

That kind of encounter with the Lord seals you with conviction. Yes? Alleluia!

Dr. Mary had the most amazing address to same-sex attraction. She was phenomenal in it. Explaining how they are loved, while not letting them off the hook.

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. Amen. I love Dr. Mary Healy; she is so clear and beautiful. She is good at revealing God's beauty. Thank you for having her on Pints with Aquinas.

My parents who love latin mass, and rightly done novus ordo, spent 2 decades having their faith set on fire through the Charismatic Renewal whose effects in instilling faith like at Pentecost where the Mother of God and all Apostels were present at the Church's first meeting (how more trad than that?) are unmatched - know them by their fruits. CR continues to do that work of the first meeting, setting faith on fire, and vast majority interestingly! come out passionate about the Church's teachings and very open to latin mass, tradition, etc. i.e. because the Holy Spirit is present there with real power, i.e. God in the Church doing His work for a renewed Church, saving souls. Very serious stuff, not to be easily dismissed, at least not with intellectual honesty.

Absolutely Dr. Mary Healy nailed it. Thank you Matt Fradd for doing it. Loads of love from India.🔥

Thank you for having Dr Mary Healey on your show!!! What a great testimony to God's work in people's lives. As far as excesses go, of course there can be extremes on either end of the spectrum... And of course we should exercise caution, without quenching the Holy Spirit ✝️☦️ I am deeply moved by the presence of Jesus in the consecrated host... And feel we should have deep reverence for God at Holy Mass ☦️✝️ however I have also attended healing masses charismatic... And found them to be beautiful as well 😁

59:56 Regarding music, when I experienced Catholic Charismatic Renewal for the first time, I realized the truth of the words I was singing. "I want to be holy, set apart for You, Lord. I choose to be holy... ready to do Your will." It changed my life, my husband's life; it changed everything. And we are still involved 30 years later. ❤

Thank you so much Dr. Healy for this uplifting talk on the beauty of Charismatic Mass and Praise and Worship.

Wow. This moved me. Thank you for this lovely guest.

Thank you Mat & Dr Healey - we went through CR decades ago & the seeds of that great blessing are still bearing wonderful fruit. Dr H has explained it so well. Her students are very blessed to have her in their midst. Praying the Lord will continue to bless your ministries 🙏🏼❤️ Philomena

Thank you for such a wonderful prayer of praise and thanksgiving, Dr Healy. Thank you, Matt, for bringing this wonderful program so that we could hear the beauty of prayer in alignment with Jesus. May Catholics everywhere come to experience the saving power of Jesus, and seek a deeper love through the Holy Spirit. Jesus is at work in His Holy Church, and as His children, He longs to teach us more and more!

Great show. I loved listening to the good Dr's honest and simple answers. Matt is such a real human being. Finally, the music at the end is soooooooo beautiful. I'm a subscriber now.

27:05 Dr. Healy's prayer of praise.

I grew up in a community very influenced by charismatic theology. I was never able to feel the way they say I was supposed to, or let loose in worship the way they say I was supposed to. As a result, for years I avoided thinking about faith because every time I did I despaired because I thought I wasn’t good enough. It wasn’t until I dived into other theological traditions that I was able to feel spiritually fulfilled. Charismaticism is fine for those with the right disposition I suppose, but it was only ever damaging to me.

We needed a discussion like this. It is strengthening for the mind and spirit! Dr. Mary Healy radiates the goodness of God! Thank you!

Matt Fradd, that is it! That is it! Minute 49:40ish Dr Healey says that the reason her charismatic Masses are so beautiful is because everyone is there to worship God! My husband and I and our children go to the TRaditional Latin Mass in Pittsburgh and we have been trying to find a way to tell people why we go there, why we love it. Lately I have been beginning with, we love it because everyone single person is there to worship God! Praise the Lord! It is the same reason! Let’s build a bridge on that!

Nicely produced video, Matt, and whoever might be helping you! Best of luck in finding someone with whom to collaborate in creating such great content.

There is a Charismatic group in Augusta, GA, the Alleluia Community, and they are ecumenical, but the current majority are Catholic. I’m talking the most devout Catholics I have ever seen. Devout in how they give, faithful to the Magisterium, feeding the poor, rejecting contraception, often attending the Latin Mass in the area as well. And the interesting thing about their ecumenism is that it’s not about forgetting one’s tradition…it’s about putting down one’s pride and putting Jesus on the throne.

I'd listen to Dr. Healy any day. Good interview.

I appreciated this discussion. As a former protestant, who was exposed to the protestant version of the charismatic renewal on a regular basis, I would only share similar concerns as I might to any movement within the church in regards to guarding against excesses. And just as I consider myself a traditionalist, but find many of excesses in the rad-trad camp problematic, I am sure the same exists in the charismatic renewal. As a protestant, seeing a certain giving into emotionalism, performance, false or pretended gifts, etc. But otherwise, within the proper bounds of the Church, their is room for this movement as well, and the Spirit has worked through them to the good. One particular point of concern is in the understanding of the gifts. I'm not sure how it is in the Catholic Charismatic Movement, but in the protestant, everyone claimed to exercise any manner of gift from healing, to tongues, to prophesy. Where the scriptures are very clear, that the Lord distributes the gifts as He sees fit, that there is need of every member of the body. To the effect that not just anyone can prophesy, or speak in tongues. This is one aspect of Charismatic belief that I found troubling and doctrinally erroneous.

Great interview!

Wonderful ⁠🕊⁠🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏👏⁠🙌⁠🙌⁠🙌🔥🔥🔥⁠🕊⁠❤️⁠❤️⁠❤️⁠ Truly a God filled interview. Simple songs of praise touches my ⁠❤️ and connects me in a deeper way to Praise and Worship God.

I am very appreciate and admired this talk. Finding super helpful opening eyes not only but my heart. My faith is deeper, thanks from my heart.

St Augustine said: “Just because nowadays those who are being baptized in Christ and who believe in Christ do not speak in the languages of all nations, is it to be assumed that they have not received the Holy Spirit? No such lack of faith should tempt our heart. We are certain that everyone receives him” - Since then he is received nowadays too, somebody may say, “why is no one speaking in the languages of all nations?” Because now the Church speaks in the languages of all peoples. Previously the Church was to be found in one people, when it was speaking in the languages of all. By speaking with the languages of all it was signifying what was going to happen, that by growing among peoples, it would speak everyone’s language.” God no longer needed to give the gift of tongues because the Church now speaks in all languages. Saying discredited gibberish is a mockery of the Holy Spirit.

I've heard Dr Healy before in Anahiem, CA, enjoyed her so much and inspiring. Blessings on such a beautiful interview.

We have so many beautiful Catholic hymns. I for one prefer these during the celebration of Mass, secular praise and worship music has its place, please not during Mass. Not everyone is charismatic.

Thank you for this episode.

A great interview Matt. Mary Healy is a really fine exegete and a wonderful Catholic evangelist. The grace of the Charismatic Renewal has been profound blessing in my life for over 38 years.There is no question it has made me a better Catholic. I remember with gratitude celebrating a charismatic mass with St. John Paul II in his private chapel in 1985 as part of a charismatic youth conference in Rome. Being with exuberant, faith-filled young Catholics so obviously gave him a lot of joy.

just weeping in gratitude for the prayers!

Digging your show brother. Thanks

Good listening, Joseph!

Excellent video. What a great speaker who gives a clear understanding on being Charismatic. Makes perfect sense. God bless, John Emmanuel Music

Great interview

I especially love the part where you, Matt say (if you read this in september back online), that kind of "even though" Dr. Healy got her doctorate and is a biblical scholar, she still knows the Lord is at work. I can totally relate. I am a physician and it's so hard for me to get the theory (He IS alive, He IS reigning NOW) into my heart and live this truth (not only "as if it were true"). We are cynical and sceptical for all the reasons mentioned by Dr. Healy. We are children of our age which is so antithetical to the transcendent.

I think Dr. Healy is very right to point out that if the Church does not connect us with our hearts then we will look for that connection elsewhere. I make this connection to Protestants regarding religious imagery. If the Church abandons its claim on the senses then the void will be filled by the world. With that said, I agree with Matt that charismatic services objectively sacrifice reverence for emotion. If there is a place where the heart and the mind come together then that must be a significant mark in its favor. The reaction of St. Vladimir’s emissaries to the Divine Liturgy is the best story of the effect of such harmony on the whole person. There is no need to err too much on the side of reverence or emotionalism. The balance has already been struck and crafted by God Himself. I’m aware of many young people who wept at their first Liturgy, I’m one of them. I have even met people who cry at almost every Liturgy I have seen them at. It is not true that the only evidence one ought to consider when discerning the question of which is the true Church is that for and against the Papacy. One would expect that if their is still a Divine/human institution present on earth then most of the conversions would resemble those of the NT and that it would combine reverence and depth of feeling in its worship.

You go Mary...from a charismatic Presbyterian friend. : )

It is good to see some Catholics embracing these charismatic gifts and keeping things in balance.

I was a member for many years of Dr. Haley's parish. The Mass is celebrated with tremendous reverence, and charismatic is integrated into the liturgy in a peaceful way. I wish people who fear charismatic worship would check out that parish!

25:00 She points to Merlin Caruthers' book "prison to praise" for a great tool to maintain sensitivity of the presence of the Holy Spirit. It is true. It works. Thank you Jesus for showing my time at Steubenville was not wasted......

I so enjoyed hearing Mary Healy reflect on the Holy Spirit! -Just beautiful!! Also gratefully affirm her defense of a spectrum of reverent liturgical music that is not stifling or monolithic. I love how she puts it- a beautiful blend of the old and new. I too attended Steubenville and experienced a rich spectrum of musical expression. It seems distinctly Augustinian to me. I always felt lit drew one into a deeply holy, hushed space in all its varied expressions. While deeply impressed with Matt’s guests and very much wanting to hear what they have to offer, I confess his incessant tirade against this rich spectrum of musical expression often tempts me to flip his program off. I think she and some other guests have responded to him wisely and hope he will take it to heart and reflect whether this is really god’s crusade or his own.

Another interesting conversation.

Great guest!!!

Dr. Healy is wonderful. I reached out to her with concerns about the CR and her response was prompt, loving, and informative! God bless you, Matt, your work is so under appreciated!

Great interview. Mary Healy is amazing and knowledgeable. Look to the NewTestament to see the way the Holy Spirit changed the apostles. Being Charismatic is part of our heritage. Part of the very Church established by Jesus. We do not have to be Charismatic OR Traditional, we can we both. I say “yes” to all.

Yeah she is great. Met her when I was a lot younger🌞🐨🙏🏼✨

I’m glad to finally hear about the charismatic renewal firsthand. It sounds wonderful!

Is unbelievable that we still have to defend being charismatic when Jesus was charismatic..

Don’t disregard the genuine because of the counterfeit.

The teacher Dr. Healy mentions was my teacher back in high school! I remember when this happened! Glory to God, she's still doing well as far as I know!

God bless 😇 🙌🙏 ❤ 💖 Dr. Mary Healy and Matt

She is wonderful

Thank you Mary beautiful x

What scares me is how much a lot of these comments sound like things the Pharisees would say to Jesus."How dare you heal on the Sabbath"/"This man has the nerve to dine with sinners"/"Who are you to forgive sins?" I'm new to the Catholic understanding, and a lot of things seem really compelling at the core of church teaching, but it's disheartening on the ground when you see Catholics afraid that Satan is going to possess them through the use of drums. I say that tongue and cheek, please don't be offended. But isn't it clear to us by now that Jesus isn't concerned with these trivial things, but rather with the heart? The letter of the law kills when applied on it's own by means of human strength. That's not to say, "All tradition is harmful". No. To say so would be just another legalistic dogma. Tradition can be a beautiful way to preserve that which is sacred for future generations to experience. EMPTY tradition is harmful, because it quenches the spirit and sucks the life out of you. This is a big roadblock holding me back from the Catholic church at present, simply because it makes me sad that the people claiming to be the True Church can simultaneously have such a low resolution understanding of God.

Loved the chat. Can you do a few more podcasts with Mary Healy? Maybe take some questions from the viewers..

FINALLY thank you for finally bringing attention and information on the charismatic side of the church!!

Thank you Matt for this great interview. I have so much admiration for Dr. Mary Healy. So smart, faithful and inspirational! I have learned so much from both of you. Many blessings to you both!

Mary Healey is awesome. Loved the exchange.

The separation between “science” and “passion” in our cultural is the direct effect of Cartesian Dualism. René Descartes popularized the view that the mind and the body are separate entities, such that their activities have no significant bearing upon the other. Think “ghost in the machine”. The Catholic Church rightly teaches that the body and mind (soul) are harmoniously interconnected and interdependent, holding that the activities of the body affect the soul and the activities of the soul affect the body.

Great dialogue!

"God loves variety". We are all so different, isn't it beautiful that there are so many different, faithful ways to worship God within the Catholic Church? Acceptable, reverent ways. TLM, SSPX, Reverent Novus Ordo, there's something for everyone. ❤️

I come back to this video and thank you matt. We know you are not open a lot to charismatic but hopefully one day you will love them like we do.I promise to treat traditionalist with the same love.Thank you matt.

Beautiful, so grateful you are shining a light on the many charisms that exist in the Church! "The Church was charismatic from day One", best quote :)

Loved this interview. Thank you so much Matt. I have been greatly blessed by CCR in my life. I discovered the tender love of Jesus, and the mercy of God, through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I really loved your honest questions and Dr Mary's answers. A really great interview. God bless you.

As a former Pentecostal and now Catholic, you have to be careful what your invoking or letting into your body/spirit. "Being open" can be dangerous. I've seen demonic activity when being at a charismatic worship session.

The Catholic charismatic renewal started in 1967, but yet the attendance at Mass has decreased. And Catholic's moved to protestantism. I spent 3 yrs attending a Catholic charismatic renewal meeting weekly. A good learning experience, but will never go back. Catholic's don't need any movement or renewal, including the charismatic one. We need "... one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of all, over all, through all and within all..." Go to the Catechism, Church Father's, Doctor's and Saint's writings. Read encyclicals and exhortations etc.. Spend time in the Bible daily and say the rosary daily, and see what the Holy Spirit will do through you. Praying the Litanies and Novena's will do wonders in your life. And there can never be enough said about spending time with Jesus in Adoration. Catholic's have been Blessed with so much to get us this earthly experience, we don't need to be looking elsewhere.

Praise God!!!!

57:22 “The initial reaction or the reaction you’re having now” QUEEN MARY HEALY STRIKES AGAIN

3 Hail Marys for you Matt, that this channel may be for the Lord's work 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻 and for Dr. Healy, that she may continue to grow in holiness and preach the Gospel 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻✝️📿

Love of God IN Christ Jesus! Thank you! I’m not looking for the giggles, or dancing around the room, I WANT WITH ALL MY HEART TO LOVE!!

With the formation of CHARIS, our Holy Father has recommended the charismatic renewal to the entire Church. It’s not a demand but an invitation to go deeper into the mysteries of The Holy Spirit and God’s tremendous love for us.

In the history of the church, even the Gregorian chant is new. My church offers a Mass with it, but I go to the Mass with modern Christian music, and it has helped me to truly experience the Mass, even when I go to a church that seems to lack in life.

Thanks!

Being Charismatic basically means believing that God is still the same God as He is revealed in Scripture. The Charismatic is the reality that God hasn’t retired or unplugged the power cord. It’s the reality that He truly is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

When the holy spirit speaks it speaks Absolutely right, the church has always been charismatic and how typical of God to begin this century with those of our family who were fractured from us.. personally I find this incredibly beautiful 🙏🙏

It' so sad when you read these comments. We are so divided and aggressively polarized. Jesus prayed so we would be one. Lord, please, helps us ! It' s insane here on Earth! Maranatha 🙏, Sweet Lord

Great woman.

I agree with Matt, I love praise and worship music. But I don’t necessarily want it at mass.

Very smart professor, Dr. Healy. Impressive.

I’ve watched a few of Mary’s videos and she is fantastic. Great guest for the podcast.

I was born and raised in a catholic home. I went to catholic school and I am totally in tune with my faith and that is the main reason I like traditional mass, however, catholics that are "lukewarm" or teens (like my daughter) that have an attention spam of a squirrel (lol) enjoy the carismatic approach and will keep them going back to mass due to the vivid ambience. I don't see anything wrong with that. Many many manyyy times I see the congregation falling asleep, checking their phones, talking and at the end running back to their cars. We live in times of constant stimulation and if carismatic masses keep people coming back, why not.

Testify! Praise You Father of All wisdom! Come Holy Spirit!

I bought the book by Chaplain Carothers, Prison to Praise. Great book! Power and powerful! Get it - read it! It has changed my life! Praise Jesus!!!

When I listen to gregoriano chant it draws tears in my eyes

When riding on the Charismatic Renewal wave always go back to "for the building of the church" and beware of "for the building of self". What ticks me of is heavy reliance on Protestant literature and music for the purpose of keeping the movement relevant. In Mass, one must realize that not all Masses will sound the same, much more when you step out of your country but I agree music ministers must discern in the choice of music in liturgy. What I found extremely challenging in the CCR is the incredible expectation to participate in weekly prayer meetings as a working + family person, after work hours, expected to participate mind and body at that!

Wow that prayer at 28 minutes in, that's what it looks like when you operate in the HS, in case anyone is wondering.

I don't usually go to praise and worship services unless I'm with my protestant friends. I used to hate it when I was protestant, but since I've become Catholic I've found it's a good time to meditate and read scripture. I don't usually cry, though. The first time I cried at Mass was at the Easter Vigil when I was confirmed and the second time was yesterday at the mass for the Assumption of Mary. But each time I cried was during the hymnals.